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[9.30] And the Jews say:Uzair is the son of Allah;and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them ;how they are turned away! [9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). [22.39]Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them. [33.61] Cursed:wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering. [47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners... [48.29] Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. MOHAMMED, in the Koran: "Whoever is a friend of a Jew, belong to them, becomes one of them, God cannot tolerate this mean people. The Jews have wandered from divine religion. You must not relent in your work which must show up Jewish deceit."


Now tell me Where do muslims find peace or love in the above verses?Muhammad and his followers stand against other religious and non religious people especilly Jews and Christians. Why would anyone call such a man a "noble prophet "? A cursed man. The world knows no peace today because of Islam.

reallest:
See dodging

What is this one talking?

analice107:
There is no contradiction there.

First, find out why Ismail didn't serve his father's God. That is rebellion No1.

If he didn't serve Jehovah, who did he serve? He definitely served a god, which was it? His mother's god? I think yes.

Till today wives who can't have their own Children bring in girls for their husbands to mate then raise the kids as theirs. Why did Hagar turn against her madam when she discovered she was pregnant?

And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.
Genesis:16:4

inside her mind, she go don think say, now wey she don get belle Abraham go forget barren Sarah face her. Indeed.

Can't you see she sought to throw Sarah out of her matrimonial home and take over her husband? She was a sub planter. A husband snatcher, but she failed and ended up being thrown out in disgrace.

When you look into the core of Islam, you'll see that sub planting trait. Always seeking to steal and take over what belongs to another.


Islam enjoins Muslims to lay low, pretend to be friends with non Muslims, until their number increases then they can rise up, strike and kill the non muslims, then take over what doesn't belong to them. It started with Hagar.

(Apples falls close to Apple trees).

They know that your property belongs to you, but they believe they can by subtility or force take it from you. They justify their theft by saying, everything belongs to Allah.

Checkout how they try to take everything away from the Jews. It began with the Mother of Islam, Hagar, the eternal Slave.

Come chop, she want come take over the house.

The only thing they can't claim is the covenant.

All the Jewish Prominent men are said to have been Muslims. Starting from Adam, even when the koran says Muhammed was the very first Muslim.

Jesus was a Muslim, but none of his Apostles were Muslims. Mary the mother of Jesus was a Muslim, but Joseph was not. John the Baptist was not.

[size=18pt]The Jewish Temple built by King Solomon stood on Mount Moriah where God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac, today, Islam claims that the one Sacrificed there was Ismail, hence, during the time of Jewish exile, move in there and build a Mosque, bringing to fulfilment the Prophecy of Prophet Daniel. [/size]

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Daniel:9:27

[size=18pt]Islam is an Abomination. The Mosque in that Holy Place, is an abomination. A temple of an Idol Hubal/Allah is an Abomination unto Yahweh and it causes Spiritual desolation. But God allowed it, to keep the Jews from resuming their daily sacrifices until the time appointed.

All these are the things Yahweh saw that Ismail and his descendants will do, thereby attracting God's curse on themselves.

Hagar was a Rebel. Ismail was a rebel. Muhammed was a rebel, and Muslims everywhere today are rebels. [/size]

GBAM....GBAM

udatso:
Yet it's difficult to point out.
It's visible to the blind that your assumption of God cursing Ishmael even as a baby can't be supported by the bible cos proving it will be calling God what he isn't

Take the bible for what it says about a people. You dont have to call God names. Do you think the arabs are a blessed people? I no dey talk of oil here oo

JaaizTech:
I stumbled upon this post, while conducting a research about the Biblical view of Ishmael, Abraham and Isaac. I thought I should post the results of my finding and perhaps someone may find it useful someday.

Many xtians are of the opinion that God cursed Ishmael, because of the biblical verse (Genesis 16:12: "He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.” ). Mere reading through this verse makes it appear like a curse, but also understanding that what is presented is a translation of an ancient language, and the translation may not present the accurate meaning of what the verse is about. So it is makes to consider the verses before and after this verse in order not to read it out of context.

Genesis 16:7 - The angel of the Lord found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.
Genesis 16:8 - And he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?” “I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.
Genesis 16:9 - Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.”
Genesis 16:10 - The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”
Genesis 16:11- The angel of the Lord also said to her:
“You are now pregnant and you will give birth to a son. You shall name him Ishmael,[a] for the Lord has heard of your misery.
Genesis 16:12: "He will be a wild donkey of a man;his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”
Genesis 16:13 She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen[c] the One who sees me.”

Analysing the verses:

What is amazing is that when Hagar goes out into a desert and finds a spring, she is the first women in Scripture to meet an Angel of the Lord (Genesis 16:7). This is very significant. God (Yahweh) comes and speaks to this slave woman in the desert.

He addresses her by name and asks a questions out of his personal knowledge of her circumstance (v . Hagar responds by giving a honest answer as to why she is there. She is given a test of humility by being asked to return and submit to Sarai.

Hagar’s Son Blessed or Cursed? (Genesis 16:10-12)

The Angel of the Lord gives a pronouncement about the child in her womb. What did God think about that child? What would his future look like?

As we look at the promises given by the Angel of the Lord, let’s ask if they are blessings or curses.

1) “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.” (v 10)

The promise to Abraham was the he would be the father of many nations and this promise of blessing Ishmael’s lineage is affirmed in Genesis 17:20 and partially fulfilled in Genesis 25:13-16. Hagar is the only women in Scripture to whom God gives such a promise of multiplication of seed.[2] This certainly was a significant promise of blessing to a pregnant slave girl.

2) “You will give birth to a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has hear of your misery.” (v 11).

How many birth announcements are in the Bible? How many are named by God? The promise to Hagar was that she would have a son and his name means “God hears”. What has God heard? He says he has heard her misery. What gracious care for this slave girl alone in the desert. It certainly was a promise of blessing.

3) “He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.” (v 12).

To our western ears this does not look much like a promise but maybe an insult and perhaps a curse. We need to remember that Hagar is much closer to Bedouin culture than we are. No one today likes to be called a “donkey”,yet in desert culture a wild donkey communicates freedom and the ability to survive against very harsh elements. In Job 39:5-8 God describes a wild donkey as those that go free and survive in the desert (Job 24:5 also refers to wild donkeys in the desert). To Hagar the slave, this would have been a promise and not a curse. Even though she may not be free, he promised that her son would be!


Another interesting perspective to this, would be the question why would God curse Ishmael Many xtians I know think God cursed Ishmael because He was the outcome of the marriage or illicit relationship Abraham had with Hajar!. Is this account accurate?? If we consider that Abraham married a 3rd wife called Keturah, and she bored him 6 children (Genesis: 25:1), were they also cursed

Two generations later, in the same family, Jacob (Whom is Son of Isaac) likewise practiced polygamy, including taking a secondary wife or concubine. In this case, also, the legal status and the sequence of events are similar.

And when Rachel saw that she bare Jacob no children, Rachel envied her sister; and said unto Jacob, Give me children, or else I die. And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb? And she said, Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her; and she shall bear upon my knees that I may also have children by her. And she gave him Bilhah her handmaid to wife: and Jacob went in unto her. And Bilhah conceived, and bare Jacob a son. And Rachel said, God hath judged me, and hath also heard my voice, and hath given me a son: therefore called she his name Dan (Genesis 30:1-6, emphasis added; see also Genesis 30:9).

All these verses seem to suggest that God was not unpleased with Abraham, neither had Abraham done anything that was unGodly, as no biblical verse exists that shows that God rebuked Abraham or Jacob for what they did.

Has anyone ever argued that God didnt kept his promise as in multiplying Ishmael's seeds? Of course Ishmael made great nations. The question is, what good is this nations that came through Him? Yes God also kept his promised to Isaac as the covenant child.

If what is going on today in the Arabian world is a blessing to you, then you have problem in speaking the truth. The bible says, Ishmael will be a WILD man, his hands will be against "EVERY" man, and EVERY man's hand against him .Also he will dwell in the places of his brothers. Isnt this True to you? Take a look at the actions of Ishmael 's decendants, you will see this prophecy is fulfilled.

After Israel got their Independance, they got tortured by neighbouring Arab Muslim countries with regards to territories. The Arabs forcefully acquired the land which was promised to Abraham in genesis.
Israel should get territories upto Euphrates river of Iraq in the East. But it was not so. They lost it to the Ishmaelites. (" and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers"

HOSTILITY:opposition or resistance to an idea, plan, project, etc. Just like @analice107 said earlier, Muslim aim is Always stealing and taking over what belongs to others by force. And this is a genetic root from the mother of Ishmael Hagar.

If you look at what is happening today in the name of Islamic faith Jihad, terrorist people gets involved in killing innocent non muslim simply because they did not accept/follow Islam.

Yet Muslims say that islam is a religion that shows total peace towards other religions. I do not know why Muslims read the quran with a biased mind. As for me, the following verses from the quran speak and discribe the actions of this terrorists. And this shows they (the Arabs) were cursed through Ishmael. The world hates them, while they (Muslims) hate the infidels (the world). "His hand will be AGAINST EVERY man, and EVERY MAN's hand against Him.

You call this a blessing? Cant you see how Muslim jihadist operate? Anytime they carry out terrorist attack. They send a message to the Infidels. You love life just as we love death. How can you say a people who love death are blessed? The vast Arabian nations are not progressing.

 Yes their land is rich, but they dont have knowledge to make a car engine. They only have knowledge to make bomb.

Again, how can Islam be a peaceful religion when it commands its followers to kill, fight and war none Muslims. Arabs are not peaceful but troublesome. They are living under a curse. The world leaders are getting it all wrong, they think they are capable of solving this problem. They are wasting thier time. Everything will be accomplished according to prophecy. The curse is so strong that Arabs are even killing themselves. I will post some dreadful Suras again maybe you will understand better why they hate others and other had to hate them in return.

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LifestyleTonite:
have you run out of altaquiyya to support Mohammad?

Dont mind him. He should be ashamed of his religion that uses terrorism as a doctrine. Islam=Terrorism.

true2god:
I think Italy and France have technically started closing down some mosques because of the dangers they pose to a civilised society and because of some radical Imams who always call for the death of infidels and those who insult islam and the prophet of allahh. It will reach a climax when Britain join.

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Last week Muslims in italy shut down thier mosques and go worship in the street of Rome. They said they did that because they want to state to build more mosque for them. See how they provoke people. If the Western behave like them, this may provoke crisis. What Christians cannot do in Iran or Saudi and get away with it.

Auki:
Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. Quran

You muslims who do not abuse allah why are your children dying of bomb blast each passing day? Why is Sunni and shaiit killing themselves? Why is there no peace in the islamic nations? Isnt this a curse from ur moon god allah? Arabs are migrating in the lands of the infidels, your allah couldnt guarantee them safety. You are here ranting..

Obadiah77:
You won't do the one to tell me that

Take your time. No offence

true2god:
I think Italy and France have technically started closing down some mosques because of the dangers they pose to a civilised society and because of some radical Imams who always call for the death of infidels and those who insult islam and the prophet of allahh. It will reach a climax when Britain join.

The problem with the arabs is that they will always want to bend the host country's laws (because over 90% of muslims in europe are migrants or children of migrants) to accomodate the dictate of shariah while muslims will want non-muslims to obey sharia law in muslim lands. The europeans are beginning to learn this islamic arrogance and are workin hard to bring it to an end. Islamic arrogance is enshrined in the quran where allahh deceptively told them that they (muslims) are the 'best of mankind' (quran 3:110-111) while the Jews and the christians are the 'worst of creatures' (quran 98:6).

So these allahh-induced arrogance make arabs see europeans as people to be easily exploited. However, unless the arabs\muslims start behaving rationally, they will be kicked out of europe for the third time and it wont be funny this time around.

They are like "Oba market flies". See them everywhere you go. They spread because they have no "peace" in thier country. Yet they keep praying for "PEACE" for thier dead prophet.

They are thieves, murderers, hater of others yet they pretend to be the best of human. I remember some years back my course mate, an arabian told us how Muslim women steal things in super markets with the help of thier young children.

Children are so innocent that you hardly suspect them. Of course not all are like that but majority are. I personally saw one little girl plucking fruits in a market. After plucking hands full she ran to met her mum.

A muslim woman with islamic dressing "code" She was ashame the way i stared at her. She now warn the child not to pluck more than one next time...hahaha. that's how they educate thier kids to steal in super market.

Arabs are terrible people. No matter how they pretend to love you. When it comes to Islam, they dump you big time. They hate black with passion.

I believe there will be a great change in France in 2017 if Holland lost the election. He has no chance of winning. He is one of those leaders who protects the interest of Islam instead of the interest of His people.

He is exposed. Just like Islam

lexiconkabir:
your brain is divided into two, left and right, the left has nothing right in it and the right has nothing left in it,

Scientists are looking for how long a human can live without brain, can you pls tell them your age? they've all being waiting for a meeting, but the meeting will soon start when the patient to be examined finish reading this message.

kindergarten talking...

lexiconkabir:
your brain is divided into two, left and right, the left has nothing right in it and the right has nothing left in it,

Scientists are looking for how long a human can live without brain, can you pls tell them your age? they've all being waiting in a meeting, but the meeting will soon start when the patient to be examined finish reading this message.

Have you ever thought of asking yourself why all Muslims are labelled thieves, charlatans, murderers, terrorist, brutes, troublesome and walfare profiters in the West? Do u care to ask why arabic language is the only terrorist language known in history? Ask yourself why muslims are tagged criminals, rapists etc. Ask why is the koran full of hate and evil, why you worship a moon idol god called allah.

LAstly, sit down and meditate over this last one. Why is islam a copy and paste of Jewish and Christian book? If you can answer urself, and come out with a good sense of humour. Only then you will start talking like an adult.

Obadiah77:
I'm not always active, i just come here ones in a while.

Try and complete what you started.

lexiconkabir:
Finally, the fools have hijacked the thread!

You didnt have anything better to say to the OP, still old lies..

seunH:
My sister, please permit me to answer your last question first and vice versa (Thank you). It is not as if we don't agree with the Islamic version of Aisha's age, what we are saying is that, we can't categorically say for sure how she was (physically and psychologically) when the prophet married her or even how the girls of that era generally were due to certain variables which I mentioned earlier and the fact that we have little literature describing her in details, which brings me to the second question. We muslims indeed say the prophet is Noble (not only Muhammad (SAW) including all prophets of God). Simply because of his way of life which was well documented by both muslim and non-muslim arabic scholars. Let me highlight a little, try and imagine president Buhari aside being president also the chief justice, also the chief of defence staff and also the chief Imam and yet being able to carry out his duties successfully, despite been under constant attack by adversaries. Also my sister, you will appreciate when we call the prophet Noble if only you had an idea of what the Arabian peninsular was like before the Noble prophet ( buring infant girls alive, idolatory, wife swap
etc) and what the Arabian peninsular became just within 23yrs of Muhammad's calling, one would appreciate whom truly this man is.

It should also be noteworthy that if truly the Noble prophet had married an under aged girl (Paedophile) as speculated, Don't you feel the christians, jews, idol worshippers or even atheists of his time who were hell bent against the Noble prophet would have used it against him, which would also have been well documented at least by non muslim arab scholars !!!!

In conclusion my sister I really appreciate your concern and your manner of approach towards this issue and hope to engage more with your likes so as to share and gain knowledge from each other. Thank you.

Hahahaa, you are so funny. Why not take Aisha for her word? She was 6 acording to her. Anyway, true2god has schooled you on this.
Seems you are a new convert to islam.

seunH:
My good friend, concerning the issue of paedophilia in Islam ( Noble Prophet marrying an under aged girl"Aisha" let's reason together this way; Some people say Aisha was 14yrs when the prophet married her, some say she was 9yrs (commonest) and some say 11yrs. Irrespective of what we believe, one thing for sure is,[size=18pt] we can never know for sure how Aishat was (psychologically and physically) when the Noble Prophet married her. [/size]Even the so called 14yrs is not even based on our own modern calculation of age (using solar years and 24hrs time) and also in Islam we don't use age to peg maturity rather we use physical (puberty) and psychological (ability to make rational decision) means. We are now in a quagmire since neither you nor me ever saw Aisha to evaluate her therefore we will have no choice but to go to what Islam says about marriage. In Islam there are 4 pillars for the marriage to be legal/acceptable and number 1 is consent from the girl in question. Now, based on our modern assessment, is it possible to accept consent from a 9-14 year old girl? The answer is NO !!! Not even a 15-16yr old girl (that's why they are not allowed to open an account till 18 except with their parent/guardian because psychologically they are incapable of some rational decisions). So therefore marriage to any girl of this age bracket (9-14) is not acceptable Islamically because it is impossible for you to obtain a valid consent from them. In conclusion, if Islam is totally against paedophilia and under aged marriage as explained above, then why would the Noble Prophet engage in such. I therefore believe if we reason together this way, we would educate ourselves better and have more understanding and tolerance for each other. Thanks for your time in reading this lengthy response....!!!

You cannot know how she was, how then do you kniw who Muhammad was that you call him noble prophet?

seunH:
My dear brother, this is the 3rd time you are replying and yet you still failed to identify any of the so-called "Illogical and Unreasonable defence" of the Noble prophet. Rather than first of all responding to the points raised, your main focus is more or less intent on bashing the character of [size=18pt]the Noble prophet [/size]which to me is entirely meaningless. My dear brother, this is an academic environment and we are both matured educated adults trying to gain knowledge from each other in order to understand each other better. Why not we stick to the points raised and educate each other better so that we will both gain meaning fully from each other at the end of the day. Thanks so much once more for your time....!!!

How is Muhammad a noble prophet?

And again, why dont you want to agree with the Islamic version of Aisha 's age ?

annunaki2:
This is evidence that mohammed was the first islamic terrorists and all Muslim terrorists today are emulating his sunnah.

Exactly! !

analice107:
Yes nah, if not why on earth will a muslim want me to become a Muslim?
What can i possibly want with Islam? everything is against me as a woman. No thanks.

You are right. for me, i hate islam with Passion. EVERYTHING around me hate islam. The only religion that socks blood each passing Day. TOday i saw that 6 children were killed in a school in Syria. Again 20 school children killed. Who is the root of all this? My heart goes to these innocent children. ..

MakeWeTalk:
For my dear Moslem brothers who refused to believe that Jesus died.

This confirms that Jesus died and rose again.




http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tomb-christ-opened-first-time-centuries-1588513

The bible confirmation should suffice. Let the Muslims keep thier own version. What is important to us is the Bible. Not what Muhammad or one scientific proof say.

May God continue to use Him in Jesus Name.

Where is the OP?

analice107:
He wants me to become a Muslim so that i can help them bomb my fathers house.
Camel piss don make am mad.

Hahahaha...that was funny and reasonable! !

true2god:
While I might agree with you that the generic name for God in Arabic is allaahh, that does not mean that the allahh arab-christians called is the same for the allahh arab-muslims call. They are 2 different allahh but have the same name for their separate adherants.

The Yorubas called their ancestral God 'eledumare' long before Christianity was introduced to them. However after the introduction of Christian beliefs among the Yoruba, most also chosed to call the Christian God eledumare. Allahh was a pre-islamic deity worshipped by Mohammed's ancestors. Mohammed's father was a pagan named abdullah ibn abdulmutalib. Abdullah means 'slave of allahh' which shows that Mohammed didn't preach a new allahh different from his father's pagan religion, he only upgraded it to be of equal status to the Jewish monotheism by abolishing the meccan multi-religious and multi-cutural settings and gave his father's pagan religion supremacy over all other religions in his domain. Hubal was another deity worshipped in the pre-islamic Arabia, but allahh got an eminence status among the Arabs because most Arabs are Muslims who have adopted allahh as their god.

Beautiful

Thank you all. God Bless.

RABIUSHILE04:


Analice..but I pray Allaah brings you to Islaam, Okay?? You will be more peaceful, modest and bashful! Try Islaam

She was only 13 when Islam tagged her a suicide bomber. WHy u calling analice107 to islam na?

RABIUSHILE04:
Quote for us too two things, 1. The word 'bible' in the bible.
2. Jesus saying, I'm God worship me!!!!!!

Honestly, you must answer this.....

analice107:

In that case, post here a verse quoting Gabriel saying to Muhammed, " I am Angel Gabriel sent by Allah with a message for you". like he did in the Bible.
And the angel answering said unto him, I am GABRIEL, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
Luke:1:19

Let the thread continue...

The fact that the OP backslided is his choice.

And its not even the issue here. Muslims are facing frustrating questions. THey are beating around the thread. We have seen that allah was praying to himself.

Allah, Muhammad and jubrils word made up the quran.

No wonder contradictions jam-packed.



OP is exposing islam