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"People of the Book, you will attain nothing until you observe the Torah and the Gospel", and "If you doubt what We have revealed to you, Ask those who have read the Scriptures before you"


This shows that Muhamad believed that the OT and NT are the book of truth. In fact, "allah" urge Muhammad to ask the Jews and Christians about the validity of his message. Now, if they were corrupted, God would not instruct Muhammad to ask people who study a corrupted book about the validity of his message. The Quran itsel, even if its a false book. Confirmed the bible to be authentic! !

Demmzy15:
You claimed Muhammad(saw) read and copied from the bible, but the ahadith you presented doesn't show that at all. Please give me reliable proofs how Muhammad(saw) read and applied the bible for Muslims, as you can clearly see the Jews came to him to request him to punish adulterers.

Muhammad asked them because He knew about the stoning to death in the torah. Even if He was an illiterate. His companion Abdullah bin Salam was a Rabbi before he converted to Islam. Read this Sura with open mind and stop arguing blindly.

Bukhari 4.829
 
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
 
The Jews came to Allah's Apostle [Muhamed] and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them , " What do you find in the Torah about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?" They replied, [But] we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones



What truth Muhammad told if he didnt know about the stoning to death verse in the torah? He knew it that was why he asked them. I dont have time to post more to you if you cannot accept this glaring proof. Then which one will you accept?

Narrated by Ubaidullah: Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)

As usual, Another contradiction in Islam...
Yet Muhammad confirmed the OT and NT in the quran umm?


See Muhammad's words in the quran as follow:

1) 3:50 - "I come to confirm the Torah which preceded me..."

2) 5:46 - "After them we sent forth Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Torah already revealed





if Man could change or corrupt the word of God during the time of Moses, Jesus and God could not preserve his word as He promised, is it with Muhammad He can preserve it?

Proofs please!



You can start presenting them, or better still open a thread for that,so as you can humiliated in this world and on the hereafter!

Even if i present to you all the proofs, you will still argue them. Where do you think Muhammad got the ideal of Forming his own religion from? The stoning to death verses, the prohibition of pig etc were all copied. He did it because He was despirate to convince the Jews He was truely sent. I can present you only two eye opening articles on this subject, will your biased mind allow you see the truth?

aminusanti:
done arguing with u, why wasting my time knowing majority of u are nothing but islam haters not here for any answer or knowledge seeking but just to spread hate abt islam but unfortunately you guys will fail and will always fail if u dont bliv me ask you parent.

The OP does not sound hate but asked a question that none of you were able to answer. Instead diverting the thread. If you have no answer no one will query you.
What is happening today in the world seems not to border you Muslims. You get angry when an article about muslim terrorist is posted. You get angry when one question the quran or Muhammad.

If you muslims are prohibited from asking question concerning muhammed or the Quran, we the non believers of the quran are not bound by this prohibition. If you do not like what you read about Islam. Maybe you should adopt a new method.

Peace.

mustymatic:
you just nailed yourself, so jus because he does wat Muslims do doesn't make him one. if u get brain you'll code

No i did not! Maybe buddhists and Muslims worship thesame god too. They pray alike and also use the beads..

aminusanti:
unbeliever how market na?? u are still trying ur best to display ur ignorance n hate on islam?
funny kafir what u are still failing to understand is u guys are helping islam to grow faster, do u know how? there are tons of curious & sincere readers out there reading wanting to find the answer and at the end they see the light and embrace islam without any hesitation by reading these posts and replies on NL. take for example the guy posting this, from his write-up u can easily know he is here sincerely asking to know and seeking for an answer and as for you and ur other team members will only grow ur popularity for hate, ignorance and lies. u still ddnt bliv check d image below
is this by sword ?

A true religion will not fight with gun and knife to dominate the world. We know islam is fulling biblica prophecy so we are not new to its acts towards humanity.

FriendChoice:
1400 Years Ago is Different From Now





2-Child Brides in Byzantine Empire:
http://www.roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm




3-The Pagans of the Prophet’s time:






4-Engagement with Jubair bin Mutim:





5-Sayyidah Aisha was fit for marriage:





Narrated Sayyidah Aisha:






[b]6-Sayyida Aisha never showed her displeasure:





7. A 9-year old Thai girl gave birth:






8-It was absolutely legal:







9-Her parents never objected:





10-Muslims never concealed it:





Below are ages accepted for marriage in the past by country name

There was no such thing before Muhammad. You know its about 600 yrs between Jesus Christ and Muhammad. Yet no one ever married a child until Muhammad.

See how Jesus treated children, He cherished them and bless them. Use them as an example.



◄ Matthew 19:14 ►
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.

 Matthew 18:3
"Truly I tell you," He said, "unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven


At 6 yrs Muhammad deprived Baby Aisha from her dolls. Isnt that PATHETIC take a good look at a 6 years old girl around you and come back and tell me if you can do such a thing. So much Brainwash no dey let una see anything bad when that Man do. Your list is a Pity!!!

You expect a 6 yrs old child to show displeasure umm? And her parents should object so that they be killed? You truely have no ideal of Muhammad History. Read more Hadiths.

Demmzy15:
How and when was he able to do that, start talking please!

Bukhari 4.829
 
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
 
The Jews came to Allah's Apostle [Muhamed] and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah [old Testament] about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?" They replied, [But] we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones."
 
 
 
As you can see, the above Hadith confirms that the Torah existed during Muhammad's time and that he believed in it and used it as a source.

Muhammad had no doubt of the torah or bible as you muslims do today. Instead, He chose to use it as a certified source. There are several proofs that he knows much about the Jewish and Christian book while he was fabricating Islam.

hanity:
Sure Ma the day is glorious but is it glorious for all of us

Of a truth, YOU have just confirmed my previous comment. ..

plappville:
How do you manage sharing two tears each passing day woman? The day is GLORIOUS yet you shed bitter tears? Keep making fool of yourself

Stop F O O L I N G urself woman..or you will start to shed three type of tears each passing day...

gimakon:
I had an argument with a muslim one day, a reasonable one. When I told him Islam was born from christendom, he said I was lying ,that Islam was even born before other religions. I decided to make him understand and show him that he didn't have a single idea of what Islam stood for.

It was after then I figured out most of these fellows don't have a glimpse of what the Quran says.

The Quran is the copy paste of the bible, and mohamed lived in the house of the Pope. It was then when he went to Hira, he founded and created the Islamic religion and started having followers. To make the religion look more like an interesting one, he adopted the tesbim, which is the rosary of the roman catholic church, the way the nuns of the Catholic Church dress, that's how this their women they call "eleha" dress, and even the ablution is something else.

I even explained to him things he never understood that was practised and still practised in the church, I am an Anglican and we got most things from the Catholic Church, even the apostles and nicine creed, are based on some catholic doctrines of the roman catholic church.

These ones in nairaland, I don't blame them, they don't know jack about the Islamic religion. The religion claims to be very strict and many has lost their lives serving their god. I went on to ask him some questions which I wouldn't ask here for some reasons, truth be told, he hasn't heard that kind of thing I asked him before.

The antiquated reasoning of Islam and the Quran is the major problem of Islamic Adherents. The Quran needs a new testament.

The scripture was the only credible source Muhammad run to during his time. This is a fact!!

Perhaps:
Here we go again.

You guys never get tired of spewing trash.

Please, do tell me, dear all-islamic-knower, what historical book or record you got the crap that Muhammad (SAW) lived with the pope.
Please, enlighten us.


I don't know if Tesbim is even a word but to prove your ignorance, THE PROPHET NEVER USED A ROSARY .
A rosary, as generally believed by every (knowledgeable) Muslim is an addition to the religion.
The prophet never for once used or mandated anyone to use it.

Down to the Eleha.
I mean, let's be realistic.
Did you actually really believe anyone would for even a minute believe the crap you wrote up there?
Oh. Please.
Muhammad lived in Saudi Arabia.
The pope we all know lived and still lives in Rome.
So, tell me again when Muhammad stayed with the Pope, learnt how make women wear hijabs, saw the rosary.


I admit I might not know much about the religion as I'd like to but the little I know is better to rebuke the likes of you and is good enough for me to find favor in God.

Please, do mention the things you can't mention here.
If you believe you know as much as you claim, mention the things you know and let's see them.
You might never know, we could get to learn something from it.

OH. Yeah. The ablution is what else?
Hit me.
What is the ablution?

LOL.
The Quran needs a new testament.
The Quran is perfect.
Picture Perfect.
Time Perfect.
Reading Perfect.
By saying the Quran needs a new testament, I'm sure you're expecting men filled with holy ghosts to get into the spirit and start writing it abi?
Nah.
We ain't like that in the religion.
LOL. We don't get taken by imaginary spirits(lol. The thought of it gets me every time. I mean, I can't imagine myself waking up in the night and screaming "Ayayabayabakdifnabaybaaabayabaybajdjdbbayabaybfjdhabahab" " and possibly appear coherent to anyone.) to do the willing of a home bastard deity.


Am tired of typing.
Am tired of laughing at people like you.
The problem with lost of you Christians is that you keep recycling the see very much old arguments that you've used over the years that have been rebuked by so many different brothers and sisters in this forum. You've got nothing new to bring up.
We're tired of that.
Come up with new things.
NNew challenges for us.



FinaFinally, my advise to you is this.
Quit the charade.
SStop deceiving people you know Islam when all you know are the lame posts on anti-islamic websites.
Now, go to your room.
Lock yourself up.
Pick up the copy of a translated Quran.
Read. Read and Read.
When you've read and understand it, then pick up a hadith collection.. Then read, read and read again.


Then, when you find a fault in all of those, come back here and asks genuine questions.

Salam.

To the Bold, The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God that leads a man to a righteous part. Not a spirit that leads one to kill innocent people. Jesus healed many people in the bible. He was filled with Gods Spirit. He knew many things before they took place. He foretold his crucifixion.
He taught that false prophets like Muhammad would come into the world and mislead many. Here is Islam bragging to dominate the world.

Jesus announced his death to his disciples, He told the Disciples how they will be treated after his death etc. All came to pass. They were all persecuted for preaching the good news.

Muhammad never had the Spirit of God. That was why He didnt know He was going to eat a poisonous food.
He brought a book that is full of vague statements, misquoted biblical stories, myths from pagan, Jewish, and Christian backgrounds all to form a religion. And He succeeded and fulfilled biblical prophecy.

He killed many people because the Spirit of God was not in Him. He was a tyrant and a model for Isis today.

At 54 or so, he went in a 9 years old little girl. Jesus call them children. And encourage thier parents to bring the children to him. Why Muhammad's aim for a kid was to consume her. Back to the Holy Spirit, am sure you can now understand that the Holy spirit is the Spirit of God. When you have this in you, you will love your neighbour and the Lord your God with all your soul. You can see Why true Christians are loving, God fearing and tolerant people. They are Christ-like. While true Muslims are Muhammad - like.

aminusanti:
whats dis outcast saying?
will not waste my time on you bcus even d christians that u are trying to help by all possible means give no damn about u for being a catholic n they Bliv Hell is ur final destination .

Just like Saudi Arabia made the Iranians missed Islamic heaven by refusing them visa to come to hajj. You see how fake Islam is. A scam, a business for Saudis. Saudi Arabia are the people who decides who go to islamic heaven or not. You people are just slaves to thier moon god all.ah.

gimakon:
Don't mind him, calls God a killer, when their own god and his puppet mohd,are the primary murderers the world even knows about. From sleeping with animals to children and killing 930 Jews in Banu Queryza. Comes here to insult Jesus and lie immediately that they didn't do it.

They have forgotten that, Muhammad wouldn't have gotten the ideal of fabricating Islam if he had not read the bible.

hanity:
Like seriously?Tell me how it all started

Google can help you, try joor!

hanity:
People die every sec,minute,hour,day,week,month and year and you think its Glorious?you are the one making the bigger fool out of yourself

Go back and read yourself again. I only quoted you clown
How can you say you shed bitter tears on a glorious Day?

hanity:
Yeah i agree with you,Wallah i shed tears of joy everyday for being a believing Muslim,because you don't know what you are missing.
When you stand in congregational prayers and feel this tranquility in you.When you offer salah with one mind and this feeling of you standing before your Rabb,the ritual baths you take after ever form of impurity you might have gon through and lots more but sir where do i even state your own suffering from,is it the fast without breakfast,a female who cant beautify herself and keeps polluting others with her kinds of short dresses, and the clapping and singing that makes you lose your hearings or what? [size=20pt] I seriously shed bitter tears for you every glorious day[/size] , Islam is peace!Islam is the way!speak good or be mute!

mustymatic:
Ask the pope who prays in mosques

The Pope is not a Muslim.

aminusanti:
i learn more about France from u rather than religious related issue, pls kindly move ur posts to Entertainment category i beg.

Liar!! Let the OP continue. Maybe one muslim will be bold enough to answer. You are just a storyteller

aminusanti:
ur posts r too dry n lame for someone to waste his time on

Quit making excuses and spreading ur lies trying to justify ur barbaric pedop.hile that u worship.
Muslims are encouraged to kill others .thats a fact!!!

Muhamm.ad Mum should have done only romance with his dad. It would have saved the world a lot of wars and hate.

Islam is a virus (cancer) on this planet. cant you read the hand writings on the wall? Many are brainwashed up to the extent of killing babies in thier stroller on a national day where people are happy and sharing love.

Islam is a typical demonic religion. anytime people are gathered, islam will come and course havoc. Now, its scaring to gather in a public place in France.

Take the OP serious or not. I will keep posting updates of islamic evil agendas.

aminusanti:
whats dis outcast saying?
will not waste my time on you bcus even d christians that u are trying to help by all possible means give no damn about u for being a catholic n they Bliv Hell is ur final destination.

By all possible means? Hahaha... now.thats becoming funny. The OP is so funny that no Muslim could dare answer

You know allah promised you 72 virgins if you kill for him. You and i who is going to hell?

Jay542:
You're not ready to broaden your horizon. Please don't quote me again.

Same thing here...

Demmzy15:
No need for the epistles, Jesus an ordinary man had no right to apply the law without the supervision of the authority of Romans. According to King James, the two men who were crucified with Jesus were thieves, so I ask you, is crucifixion the punishment for stealing according to the Torah?



Jesus had no right to just punish anyone, if he does that he'll be treated as a rebel who has no respect for the authority. Everything in Palestine during the Roman Era followed the principles of the Romans, you report to them.

Confusion. ...

analice107:
hahahahahahahahahahaha. why do u do this to yourself biko?


So why did the Pharisee brought a sinner before him?
Jesus was an ordinary man just like every other ordinary man around, yet out of those ordinary men, an adulteress was brought to him to judge, but not those other ordinary men. I guess for People to have been brought to muhammed and him condemning them to death by stoning made him an extra ordinary man, a god right?

Are you deliberately stupid?

You have hited the head already. Kudos...

gimakon:
You are very stupid. slowpoke. If you feel you want to learn a thing or two with this very stupid tone,then don't expect to learn anything from me.

Carry on with your ignorance. You can keep wallowing in your darkness in the name of going to heaven, with this tone, no one would even want to show you anything.

By the way, you even complicate issues the more for yourself, later "Islam doesn't insult Jesus " this rubbish you wrote, what would you say to that?

Most of the Muslim i have come across here in NL do insult Jesus of the Bible. A thing thier self claimed prophet can't do during his days. Just show how ignorance some of them are.

truthmans2012:
When you can't discern the right from the wrong, are you not blind?

Evidently, He is blind!

aminusanti:
enlighthen urself first wicked soul

You harsh oo, because of Muhammad you are calling me this?

* Is Jesus GoD?
* is old testament authentic?
* who was the GOD in OT that issued all the killings in OT ? wasn't that ur GOD jesus?
senseless pple

Did you see where the OP talk about Jesus been God or man? Why are you not interested in the OP? Are you justifying muslim killing with the old testament?
Of course the OT is authentic. Even your fake prophet couldnt reject this fact!!

The God of the old testament is a God of Justice. Show me where Moses or Abraham or Isaac kill infidels by forcing Yahwen in thier throat? Example: (If you dont observe the Sabbath with us then we will kill you). Like Muhammad did to infidels.

Jesus told the Pharisiens that It was not from God that they marry more than one wife, or divorced thier wifes, Moses allowed them was for reasons. God never permited or instructed Moses to create such law.



Matthew 19:8 ►
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.


Some of the laws in the old testaments were Moses laws created to guide his people not the World. Unlike Muhammed's.

hanity:
Subhanallah,Beware of how you speak,God can't be mocked.I pray its not after death you start regretting all these

All.ah is a fake god. Read the history of how Muhammad adopted allah and be reasonable for once..

TopeQs:
one reason....

He was the noblest of any man ever to grace the surface of the earth......

Are you kidding? Muhamad ordered numerous executions and during battles with none Muslims thousands were killed by him.

He is also responsible for so many deaths. History tells that in the name of a.llah, at least half a billion people were slaughterd by Muhammad (500 million). Yet you call him noblest? I would have at least negotiated with you if you had said he was the noblest before he found all.ah. that is before age 40..

annunaki2:
I know mohamed was a paedophile, mass murderer, armed robber(caravan raids), rapist, adulterer, psychopath and narcissist. These are all confirmed from authentic islamic sources and it's clear to me that a man with such terrible credentials can never ever be a prophet of the one true God. He was at best an agent of Satan sent to cause chaos in the world and his true followers(islamic terrorists) have been wrecking havoc all over the world since his inglorious exit 1,400 years ago.

You claim you know Islam very well, tell me one single convincing reason why you think such a pathetic character could be a genuine prophet of God.

The world knows all this. But Muslims do not see anything wrong for such a figure to be tagged a Prophet. SMH for them.

hanity:
Yeah i agree with you,Wallah i shed tears of joy everyday for being a believing Muslim,because you don't know what you are missing.
When you stand in congregational prayers and feel this tranquility in you.When you offer salah with one mind and this feeling of you standing before your Rabb,the ritual baths you take after ever form of impurity you might have gon through and lots more but sir where do i even state your own suffering from,is it the fast without breakfast,a female who cant beautify herself and keeps polluting others with her kinds of short dresses, and the clapping and singing that makes you lose your hearings or what? I seriously shed bitter tears for you every glorious day ,Islam is peace!Islam is the way!speak good or be mute!

How do you manage sharing two tears each passing day woman? The day is GLORIOUS yet you shed bitter tears? Keep making fool of yourself

hanity:
And the Good book says it all"they are with ears but deaf and with eyes they are but blind".

Dont speak ill of a religion you know nothing about,Give me a verse in the bible which says Jesus is God,both the old and new testament.

What good book, The Coran? The one that copied the old testament method? Do u want me to show you verses from the bible that says thesame thing to none believers? Muhammad read the bible before creating Islam. His pattern only tells!!

You are the one who knows nothing about islam. Boko and Isis do know Islam better thats why they defend it with the last drip of thier blood. You are missing out girl.

FriendChoice:


Nonsense illiterate. Companion of fools... Make allegation against Islam or defend our allegation against Christianity rather than admiring someone who run when I ask him question. Neither you nor him can answer them. Fools

You are just an e-terrorist like in the picture. All u do is throw insults. Intimidate people. You havent made any sense to draw my attention. Islam is exposing itself. Am glad to see that many are coming to know the true image of this satanic religion.

You just rant garbage here. My time is precious. Not for your type.

aminusanti:
so finally no answer to my previuos question ?
b4 i even use ur own bible against u, now tell them who was jesus crying to on the cross?? oops! sorry he was asking himself i forgt.
the statement attributed to jesus in matthew 27:46 is totally wrong bcus GOD will never forsake his messenger and there r many verses in bible that will contradict this verse.
u pipu are funny i swear u are not even aware how alot verses are contradicting each other in the bible yet u are here argueing with full force. All i can say is May GOD open your heart to see the light.

You are not treating the OP either. Just ranting diverting thread here and then. You cant use the bible against Him/her. Is not Iran against Saudi here. Sunni against shiite. One deciding for the other. Who owns allah most? It seems the Saudis do. See how fake Islam is?

Allah didnt take lives in this year's hajj. Last year 2300 people were announced dead. Islam has many ways of killing. It baffled me how people still defend such a religion..