₦airaland Forum

MrBrownJay1:
look around you...!!!! the majority dont give a fukc about poor Africans or these bastards polithieves, so long as they make money for their own pocket.
furthermore these elite dont care about African hospitals because they fly away to the west (where they believe they will get better medical care) as soon as they need to go to hospital. do you know why? because they CAN. only poor Nigerians would use these hospitals you dream about.

So they rather spend $2500 to fly to a European hospital than build a decent private hospital to serve other rich Nigerians?
So we have thousands of rich Nigerians buying plane tickets to fly to Europe to spend $$$$$ in foreign hospitals?
Does this make sense?Isnt this a business opportunity for rich Nigerians to make $$$ off of other rich Nigerians?

ok let me educate you about hospitals in the US, since you seem to be clueless about the issue:
in the US, you need to have MEDICAL INSURANCE in order to be attended properly. if you aint got medical insurance, most of these hospitals would turn you down and away. if you get shot (or into a life threatening situation) for example, they will patch you up and send you away but no care will be given to you FOR FREE. 99% of these hospitals get paid from your medical insurance...so you get free care and the insurance companies pays your bills. if you think that these hospitals make money from poor people then you certainly dont know what you are talking about.
in Europe, we pay thousands of €€€s in taxes directly from our salaries, which gives us access to free healthcare. so my taxes is paying for these hospitals to be able to pay the doctors salary etc. only people who go to these private hospital are RICH people. no single private hospital is making money from poor people or unemployed hungry people.

But your rich Nigerians are spending 1000s of Euros on plane tickets to go to foreign hospitals!

so you are saying that rich people should invest in what YOU want them to invest in, and they shouldnt use their own brain/desire to decide what they should invest in?! who are you to dictate what a person should invest their hard earned money in?! what right do you have to demand for such?!

Im not demanding anything,Im asking why is it that Africans are not into creating large businesses that can scale to the markets!
Why do Africans import things they can build?Like pencils and toothpicks?

thats because these African Gov dont want to give local builders money to build hospitals. do you really believe that if the Nigerian gov gave a billion dollars contract to Julius Berger, they will refuse building hospitals in Nigeria? come on bro, use what you have between your ears...

Did you know that most of the hospitals/medical Centres in the U.S are privately funded?

Nigeria spend billions in fast food, in brand new TVs, and travels every year... whats your point?!

All of these Billions,i thought Nigeria was filled with starving people with no income!!!

Nigeria exports primarily petroleum and other raw materials such as cocoa, rubber, palm kernels, organic oils, and fats. It imports secondary products such as chemicals, machinery, transport equipment, manufactured goods, food, and animals. The dependence on oil and a few other commodities for export caused Nigeria to become especially vulnerable to world oil price fluctuations.

See Africa problem right here^ U sell cocoa , oil , rubber and you buy things you can create yourselves!
So there no entrepreneurs that can manufacturer chemicals? There are no Nigerian chemists?

since you believe the above is either A) very easy or B) a great business idea....
why dont you sell electricity then and make money from it, Mr smart man?!
why dont you create your internet company and put fiber optic cables under the ocean and make money from it, mr smart man?!
any fool out there knows that its cheaper to import air conditioner from China OR drugs from abroad than to build them in Nigeria

Im actually looking into providing Hispeed Fiber Optic internet access in Southern Nigeria.
I dont have $50 Million Dollars right now,so the electricity will have to wait.
But I am looking to experiment with a smaller power plant that will cost about $5 million but it will have less output of course.

But if you keep importing this stuff,you deprive Africa of jobs and capital!

stop running around the issue trying to find BS to talk about...1st you were talking about creating hospitals (which should be built by the gov, not individuals)... now you are talking about TVs, internet, smart phone and travel. majority of Nigerians have internet provided by a local company AND majority have mobile phones. whats your damn point? do you now want Nigeria to create mobile phones too (while its obviously cheaper to import/buy chinko phone)?! lol!

My point is that Africa will remain poor because were not creating enough businesses!
Hospitals are businesses.
Businesses manufacture television sets.
Businesses Manufacture smart phones.
SubSaharan Africa only has 2 smart phone manufacturers with a population of 1Billion ppl.....
And why do non-Africans control so much of the logistic companies in West Africa?
Did you really just say Nigeria should import phones instead of creating them?

you are confused and since you want to read half of what i write OR derail this discussion with irrelevant rubbish that has NOTHING to do with your "hospitals", let me post again what i wrote so you dont hang on to rubbish.... i said:"when people wont be hungry and have jobs, then you can tell them about wasting their hard earned money to build hospitals...until then, all what you are writing about is nonsense!"

My point is not about "hospitals",its about the African mentality of being backwards,thinking that the government is responsible for everything.

who do you think these foreign citizen in these foreign countries (that you are quick to compare to Nigeria) depend on, if not their gov?!

This is a lie.

then ask your own family to start a farm and show the good example, instead of expecting all Nigerians to live their lives the way YOU desire. to each their own lives!

Really?

again, nobody is expecting free stuff from the gov, they are looking for food/jobs.

Why cant the private sector do more to alleviate this situation?

hungry/jobless people dont have much else to focus about...if your life is different then go build these hospitals you are talking about and give these hungry/jobless people a job....see how it works for you.

But earlier you were saying that Nigeria spent Billions on Fast Food,travel,and smart phones?

there are plenty of farmers in Nigeria, there is also plenty of problems with farming in Nigeria (fulani herdsmen etc)... expecting everyone to go into farming because thats what you believe is right, is a joke. i doubt the millions that move to Lagos for greener pastures every year want to be farmers.

No I mean they should look at farming as a business!
Look up Adesina, the African Development bank president,he is stating exactly what my thread is about.
That Africa should treat everything like a business!

“Burkina Faso has immense potential in agriculture. We have to focus on agriculture as a business. It is at the heart macro-economic stability,” said Adesina.

He advised on the need to focus on agriculture, energy and road corridors to open up the land-locked country and attract the private sector to develop agro-poles and agricultural value chains to enable the transformation of livestock products such as milk and butter and cotton to textile.

You SEE ^^^^^ Africa should make most things into a business!

its the gov job to provide constant electricity to the population, and if you really believe that the electricity problem in Nigeria can be solved with $50M (per every 100K citizen) than you are more daft than you initially portrayed. imagine the rubbish you are saying... Nigeria has a 200M population and they should spend $50M for every 100K citizen, abi?! bwaaaaaaaah!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_New_York
Then why are 99% of these power Stations owned by private companies?

MrBrownJay1:
stop putting everyone in the same boat... countries that are ravaged by poverty cant focus on having these same hungry people paying for hospitals while their bellies are rumbling in hunger... and the rich people (who CAN pay for these hospitals) dont care and would rather enslave these same poor people into working for peanuts in these rich people's factories.

Abi.So youre saying that All of our African elites are uninterested in making money in AFRICA!They don't want to build simple things like air conditioners/refridgerators/buses?
So nobody in Africa will build a private hospital,they rather pay $1500 to fly to Britain to seek medical care Abi?
What makes more sense?Having a hospital within driving distance or spending $1500 on a ticket to go see a racist doctor?

MrBrownJay1:
what the hell does the above nonsense got to do with building hospitals for a whole country? how many hospital do you know that Mr musk built?! expecting rich Nigerians to do what the Nigerian gov should is your failure in this issue. the country is rotten with corruption therefore i fully understand why everyone is looking for their own salvation, rather than help the masses.

Bros,Look at this.
https://www.yellowpages.com/dallas-tx/private-hospitals
There are over 30 private hospitals in DALLAS,TEXAS!!!!
Dallas has a population of 2.6 Million people,NIGERIA HAS A POPULATION OF 200MILLION!
Some of them are owned by physicians, others by families or coops.

MrBrownJay1:
there is more profit in what these rich men are doing than opening a hospital in a country where A) people dont go to hospital unless they are dying and B) people rather pay some BS herbalist than going to hospital.

But people still go to hospitals
You dont have to be rich to be an entrepreneur.
You can start businesses from small,or you can partner your capital with other people!
How far now?!
So theres no profit in construction or automobiles or air conditioners or agriculture,abi?

Kenya is building the world's new most expensive road, 27km
Jomo Kenyatta International Airport-Westlands Highway ($583.821 million).

China Road and Bridge Corporation is estimated to make a $1.020 billion profit. They will run it for 27 years (2023 - 2049).

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So Rich Africans dont want Billion Dollar Contracts to build for African Governments?Na only Ch!na can build road,Abi?!

educate yourself on the issue of medical care in the west, instead of writing irrelevant rubbish... the majority of these foreign hospital's bills are paid by the gov... not directly by the people.

So Is the government also paying for people's Chicken,Burgers,Televisions,Homes,Plane Tickets?

you can only make money with a hospital in a country where people can AFFORD treatment.

Can't you make money selling electricity?
Can't you make money providing high speed internet access?
Can't you make money manufacturing Air Conditioners?!
can you make money manufacturing Generic Drugs?

there is a reason why communist countries like China/Cuba have some of the best FREE hospitals in the world, yet you dont use your brain to expect the gov to do the same...and offer free medical care.... but will be quick to compare africa with these foreign countries, while expecting rich Nigerians to do what the Nigerian gov should and/or what these foreign countries are doing?!?!?!? are you ok?!?!?

Is your internet and light also provided to you by your government?
Did your government give you that smart phone youre using?

again, people are hungry, you are focussing on BS...let the people get 3 square meals per day FIRST then let them have a job and no worries in life SECOND, before expecting them to invest their own money in whatever nonsense hospitals you are talking about!

So everybody in Africa is starving abi?
So how did 60Million Starving Nigerians afford SmartPhones,was it Buhari that gave it to them?
https://guardian.ng/business-services/smartphone-penetration-hits-30-in-nigeria/

what the hell are you talking about? do you really expect ALL Nigerians to chip in to pay for hospitals while bastards polithieves are looting the country's coffers?! are you ok?!?!?

Stop depending on the government.

create that farm and employ the millions then and stop expecting common hungry people to chip in to create these farms. Nigerians that cant come as one to get rid of the polithieves that are robbing them daily, you expect these same people to get together to create a biz?! abeg grow a brain!

Bros,one family can start a farm!

who is waiting for palliatives?! Nigerians are looking for their next meals... looking for jobs that they cant create themselves...and the minute they will get a little money, they will invest in their own selfish biz to cater for their own hunger, and certainly not invest in some foolish hospitals etc that the gov should provide for the masses. whats next? Nigerian investing their own money to build power plant so that they can have 24hr light abi?!?!?

OMG! This is terrible,so you think Africans should just put all our resources into looking for our next meal and wait for free stuff from the government?
So you think we should only care about buying noodles and imported rice and imported beef.
We shouldnt have commercial farms that provide jobs and food at a profit!
We shouldnt have commercial power plants that provide electricity at a profit!
So WE Shouldnt spend a little $50 Million Dollar on A power plant so 100,000 Nigerians can have constatnt power?
So instead of pooling $50 Million on a local power plant for your LGA,and make profit for you and your childrens , you rather wait 20 years for the corrupt , inept government to do it for you?

Igbochief001:
Africans are naturally socialist ...that's it ...they fear competition ....that's why u see price regulations ...group of people fixing price

helinues:
You guys have been shouting Capitalism... Yet you can't practice the same in your region....

Average Africans are naturally socialist.....

If Africans believe in socialism why do they sell stuff at a profit?

MrBrownJay1:
sadly, Africans have better things to focus on, like THEIR NEXT MEAL or FINDING A JOB etc than to build hospitals...while the Dangotes etc dont give a damn about the poor or building hospitals because they want to enjoy their newfound wealth.

building a hospital in Africa is different than building a hospital in the west. dont get it twisted!

Bros , do you know that a $20 Million dollar hospital will provide around 140 jobs.
So 200Million People cant afford $20Million dollar for a hospital?

Bros finding their next meal?Why dont we have commercial farms that can employ thousands of people and feed millions!

So you have starving people and instead of starting a corporation to buy equipment and livestock and set up mega farms, youre waiting on the government for palliatives and hand outs

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Igbochief001:
People would say I'm tribalistic but I don't care the truth is the truth ...
When Nigeria left ziks capitalist idea before the war and adopted awolowo socialist idea that's when we stop growing

Education is not meant to be free at all , only the rich or intelligent should go to school ...look at the leaders of the north in those days that really went to school ...u would wonder were the hausa accent came from

Socialist run Nigeria ...awo and hello philosophy is what we are doing today ...

Allow free trade ,allow free import , develop your self see the area u have comparative advantage focus there and import the rest

But this doesn't explain why the rest of Sub Saharan Africa is the same.

Xisnin:
@PortHardcore, You are 100% right.
I have brought this issue up in some relevant threads and I got attacked for it.
People were blaming "our leaders" and corruption rather than face the real issue.

An average Nigerian is entrepreneurship illiterate.
Our business education involves selling imported or locally-sourced goods in rented shops.
The kind of business that has little to no-risk.

But no country ever prosper without risky enterprises backed with solid capital

thanks. I think IM going to shame Nairalanders into seeing that they are the ones that is holding the black race back

Check this out a $50 million dollar power plant that generates 100MegaWatts of power,and it is private owned!
https://www.calpine.com/kennedy-international-airport-power-plant

So nobody in Nigeria can form a corporation and spend $50Million dollars on a power plant!
So you telling me that nobody is willing to pay for electricity in Nigeria!
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OruExpress:
Are you sure africans aren't doing these things?

If Africans were doing this,would we be borrowing trillions from China to build ordinary road?

Look at this ,200 Million Nigerians cant build a supermarket chain for themselves,all they do is talk about the government.

Now Texas with a population of 29Million versus Nigerias 200Million!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Texas_companies

99% OF THESE COMPANIES ARE PRIVATE OWNED!!!

If its Africa,you will be here waiting for the government to make soda plant, chicken farm , phone manufacturer ,supermarkets.

I realized why Africa is perpetually poor and getting bought up by Ch!na and in so much debt.

Africans dont believe in Organised Commerce/Capitalism.

They sit and wait for the government to provide almost everything,or they flee to foreign countries to enjoy what those racists already built for their country.

Africans wont build private hospitals for themselves,they wait for the corrupt government to do it.
Africans wont build private power plants for themselves,they wait for the corrupt government to do it.
Africans wont commercialize their agriculture,they rather waste 1000s of acres of land for subsistence farming.
All Africans do is import goods from racist countries while theyre sitting on trillions of dollars of resources.

Look at the companies in Nigeria VS the companies in Texas!

Nigeria has a population of 200Million and is twice the size of Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_Nigeria

Can some ppl please explain this.
Atiku decamp from APC to PDP then back to APC.
Obaseki decamp from APC to PDP.
PDP looted for 16 years.
APC rule for five years and you have nothing to show for it but fake integrity and insecurity.

But you are here shouting Obaseki!Tinubu!Sai baba!Aticulate...

Please make this make sense,are you ppl mentally retarded?

How much was Hushpuppi loot?
How much does Peter Obi spend on a shopping mall?

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I think this is the right place to post this..

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Commercial Operation Date: February 1995
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Net Interest With Peaking (MW): 121 megawatts
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Commonsense99:

Dissolution is the remedy, Nothing can ever work in a country where quota system overrides excellence.. Short and simple.

It doesn't take rocket science to predict the outcome of a country whose decision lies in the hands of fulani medriocres with below 20 IQ.

Sooooo,your tribe doesnt have any businesses/leaders that can come together and spend $50Million on electricity for yourself?
Did the Government also build your house for you?
Does the government provide you with airtime also,how are you on the internet if youre living in a "quota system".

http://www.sniderindustries.com/renewable-energy-credits.html

Here is a BioMass PowerPlant .
MegaWatt production:5
Building Cost:$8,000,000

So Nobody in your tribe can afford $8Million right?
So you waiting on Fulani Tribal Bigots to spend $8 Million so you can have 24/7 electricity?

Afam4eva:
Who told you Nigerian leaders do not have answer? They are not just interested in it since they are beneficiaries of the problem.

These power plants are not owned by politicians/government!

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Location: Hicksville, NY
Commercial Operation Date: July 2005
Calpine Net Interest Baseload (MW): 60 megawatts
Calpine Net Interest With Peaking (MW): 80 megawatts
Ownership: Calpine 100%
Technology: Natural gas-fired, combined-cycle
Turbines: GE combustion and Siemens Westinhouse steam
NERC Region: NPCC

BUILDING COST:$41,000,000USD
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Hi,Guys!
How are you!


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Net Interest With Peaking (MW): 121 megawatts
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Turbines: GE combustion and steam

BUILDING COST:$69,000,000USD

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Pofgrace:
Try standard chartered but you'll need a bvn

No BVN

omoiyamayor:
Gtb and sort your online backing and atm palava before you step out of Nigeria, the rest is easy.

Not In Naija.

MASTERCHIEF0847:
UBA, Standard chartered, GTB, First bank. Personal opinion/experience.

Thanks ill try UBA.

Guys,what is the best most reputable bank i can use for someone not in Nigeria,without a BVN?
Thanks
Here are the options:
Access Bank
Access Bank(DIAMOND)
ALAT
Citibank Nigeria
Ecobank Nigeria
Fidelity
First Bank
First City
Guaranty
Heritage
Jaiz
Keystone
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Polaris
Providus
Stanbic (is This a Nigerian Bank?)
Standdard Chartered (Is This Nigerian?!)
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Suntrust
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Unity Bank
Wema

So i would need everything to be done online!No visiting Nigeria to provide documents.
ThankS!

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Africa escaped colonialism because the Europeans got weak from their World War.
In 2020 , Africa is not even attempting to make sure we can't get invaded again.

Outside forces bomb the ish out of Libya.
Africa Doesn't improve its military might.

France overthrows African leaders regularly to maintain the pact for the ECO.
Africans are on social media complaining about France

The chinese bug the A.U building
Africans don't have a coordinated Intelligence outfit.

They want to test vaccines in Africa
Africans are on social media complaining about France

A Military Superpower released a biological weapon on the world.
Africa doesn't create a Bioweapon Defense program.

Africa has 60% of the Arable land on Earth
Africa doesn't have a single nuclear weapon

African countries are getting overwhelmed regularly by paramilitary forces(Like drug dealers and terroists)
Africa Doesn't improve its military might.

What do you guys think?

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Auladimeji:
This op is foolish, you asked a question, instead of you to learn but you shew your foolishness quickly

Well,Nigeria have missiles, just that we don't use it.Many Nigerians don't know because the Nigerian Army don't allow media to have access to her base only NTA is allow because it's a National Television but Many young Nigerians don't watch NTA news except few elderly people

So you see why you can never know

No I Think you're the foolish one.

Are you saying That Nigeria/Africa has the Military capability to resist recolonization?

So Nigeria/Africa can currently defend against ICBMs and B52(OLD technology) bombers?

alizma:
Nigerians full everywhere for Ivory coast

What percent of Ivory Coast is Nigerian?
Naija ppl speak french?!