keppler:

Smiles

keppler:

I don't get your first sentence clearly and I was not blaming atheism outrightly. I was just informing him that his logic is flawed and that an atheist does not really have a logical ground to stand when asking some questions.

Well, like many other atheists, he has closed his mind to anything about God and just seem to use pseudo-intellectual argument to back himself up. His arguments were critiqued and he wasn't interested in defending them, rather, he just dismissed the "diagnosis". That is typical of many of the wannabe atheists. Only God can encounter them by mercy


Shalom

Dtruthspeaker:


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And children are normally prevented from playing with the Decorations!

FatherCHRISTMAS:

budaatum:


I think we humans, both atheists and theists, "use pseudo-intellectual argument to back ourselves up", just that we always see the pseudo in other people's arguments and only see intellectual in our own, which is the reason you should not
so easily wave your hand in dismissal, because you never know what you might learn from your own words.

keppler:

I think we humans, both atheists and theists, "use pseudo-intellectual argument to back ourselves up"
This statement cannot be true. If it were true, then we can't have TRUTH. Truth exist because it pass logical tests. And using pseudo intellectual arguments connotes trying to sound 'technical' and logical whereas, the arguments are logically flawed.

keppler:
just that we always see the pseudo in other people's arguments and only see intellectual in our own,
Again, this is not true. We have the ability to objectively critique our arguments. This is why people abandon previously held beliefs.

keppler:
And good arguments should be checked by the presenter first objectively so as not to be a laughing stock.

keppler:
which is the reason you should not so easily wave your hand in dismissal, because you never know what you might learn from your own words
Now you accuse me of dismissing what?

keppler:
Secondly, what am I to learn from my own words?

keppler:
Finally, you seem not to point out my (allege) error but have been implying such. Can you show me exactly what you are trying to point out?

keppler:

I think we humans, both atheists and theists, "use pseudo-intellectual argument to back ourselves up"
This statement cannot be true. If it were true, then we can't have TRUTH. Truth exist because it pass logical tests. And using pseudo intellectual arguments connotes trying to sound 'technical' and logical whereas, the arguments are logically flawed.

Since on this issue, the conversation is going cyclic, we better end it. I won't shift, neither will you.
https://www.nairaland.com/6460381/how-atheist-me-happily-married/7#100076525

Since the beginning of this conversation... I never once shifted my stance. I accept(trust) and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ, and it remains the same till the end.
https://www.nairaland.com/6460381/how-atheist-me-happily-married/7#100076568

budaatum:


Keppler, I don't think you should wave your hand in dismissal by blaming atheism for whatever it is you blame him for.

How about questioning him to fully diagnose his ailment instead of jumping to conclusion? You never know, but you might be the angel that saves him if you but tried to let God use you.

Shalom.

budaatum:

The problem arises when we claim that what we have and know is the truth and then use pseudo intellectual arguments to convince ourselves of its truthfulness instead of becoming like children and abandoning all our brainwashing to look at things anew.

As for this particular individual, we have history, and his laziness in thought is very apparent, so I do not need to have gone through your argument with him to know his is flawed. He waves his hand in dismissal at what is above his intellect.


We may have the "ability to objectively critique our argument", but I'm certain you are aware how easily our subjectivity gets in the way of our development of the "ability to objectively critique our argument". You would not, for instance, claim the individual in question has developed the "ability to objectively critique our argument", or would you?

And if you have been here long enough you'd find that believers actually find it very very difficult, and often impossible to change their beliefs, especially because their subjective beliefs are the truth.


And for this very reason I trust and believe you will objectively check your understanding of all I have written instead believing your current understanding is objective.


I'd be less harsh and say I made an observation instead of accuse you. That said, the person in question is very easily dismissed simply due to the lack of effort on his part that makes him present pseudo lazy claims as intellectual arguments. I just hoped you would further engage with him so his pseudoness was more revealed so he may see them.


Who knows what further nuggets of wisdom may come out of keppler? I sure do not know, and I pressume you might amaze yourself too.


Perhaps after I point out the forest in my own eyes I may find the time for the twigs in your eye, buy you'd hopefully understand how busy I might be if I seem to not bother with your twigs.

P.s. You can not come on here with a name like your's and not expect to be highly regarded by some.

HellVictorinho:


I also know there's nothing amazing about the universe.

budaatum:


If this is not lazy pseudononsense I can't imagine what is.

Still. I have faith in you HellVictorinho that you will someday learn to use your mind and do great and amazing things.

HellVictorinho:

The problem is that you don't know how to express your disagreement without lying.
You falsely accuse me of lazy pseudo nonsense since I said what you don't agree with.
You have issues.

budaatum:


I'm not accusing you falsely, Hell. You really are lazy, even when we agree.

HellVictorinho:

You are still lying.
I will report you if you don't stop lying.

budaatum:


I do not think the mods are lazy like you Hell, and they'll probably investigate then ban you for wasting their time instead of you using the powerful brain that is inside your skull to ask and knock and seek with your all heart and soul and mind and being until you fully understand.

But do know that buda has immense faith in you Hell, that great things will you one day do.

HellVictorinho:

You are still accusing me of failing to understand what I don't agree with.
You are still accusing me of being lazy.
You are actually a liar.
The talk of you having faith in me is rubbish.

budaatum:


But I do have faith in you. Immense faith in fact, despite the fact that you continue to show how lazy you are by still not wondering enough to ask why and instead just lazily accuse me of lying.

I believe that the day will surely come when you will stop believing the crap in your head and ask and seek and knock with all your heart and soul and mind and being until you finally understand, and when you do, great things will you do Hell. And nothing you do or say can shake my faith in you though I do confess that you constantly try really really really hard.

HellVictorinho:

Why not state why you keep saying you have faith in Hell
If your faith in me is the issue,then state what you want from me.
Don't insult me because I don't agree with you towards this or that.
In fact,go straight to the point.
Are you in love with me?

budaatum:


I don't want anything from you hell, and I'm not insulting you for not agreeing with me neither. In fact, you not agreeing in general is the reason I have such immense faith in you because it shows you are not an easily brainwashed sheepie, which, if you bothered to read, you'd know buda appreciates.

If some Lord God commanded you Hell, saying, "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die", you, Hell, will not believe it, but you are just currently too lazy to pluck the fruit and eat to find out if you will die or not. You currently lazily believe you will not die but I have faith that one day you will pluck the fruit and eat and see so you know if it is true that you will surely die or not.

Yes, I love you hell. And I am amused at your lack of understanding, and at your laziness to seek understanding. But I have immense faith that you will ask and seek and knock one day until you do understand.

HellVictorinho:

What do I not understand??
Do you want us to meet
What kind of relationship do you want with me

budaatum:


Lol, hell. Are you not aware that not one day goes by without you mentioning buda? Don't you and buda already relate daily on Nairaland?

You just keep doing what you do. Your mind will inform you when you are ready to eventually meet it and understand.

HellVictorinho:


It is you that accused me of not understanding.
The onus is on you to state what I don't understand.
If you can't state what I don't understand,then the relationship is meaningless.

budaatum:


Let this be clear! I am not accusing you of not understanding. That is not an accusatory crime. I am accusing you of being lazy, and only laziness would make you mix up the two so!

With that hopefully clear, let the relationship be meaningless or stop being lazy and take responsibility to let the onus make you go back over our discussions to seek that which you do not understand so you can make the relationship meaningful, because my faith and love for you does not include dying for you Hell, nor does it include brainwashing you since unbrainwashed you is what I admire so much about you in the first place.

I have undying immense faith that if you use that very powerful computer brain in that skull of your mind you will understand. You just need to have faith in you and know the choice is entirely your's.