Let's say if we eventually get convinced of the non existence of satan or and God , what then will be your purpose in life ? How would it change you?

It does not change anything, believing that there is good and evil is enough

I am convinced that Gods and Satans and heaven and hell and anything after death are figments of the imagination cooked up in the minds of some.. And even Jesus Christ might even be a fable created by Romans (though no evidence supports this position).

Still, the Word is Lord, and whosoever understands what Christ taught will live fruitfully on this earth at least.

Which makes me ask you op.

What is religion?

Doing good has nothing to do with satan or God..I believe in doing good and not evil..

What if , it was not a lie and religion is actually true

My ass has been saved

The only way not believing in religion changed me was allow me to stop using the lens of fairytales to look at life.

LordReed:
The only way not believing in religion changed me was allow me to stop using the lens of fairytales to look at life.

My Lord, you do still use the lens of fairytales to look at life. The difference is you never used to look at life at all with your lenses and believed you looked and saw instead. If you consider the numerous believers, both theists and atheists you discuss with, you may understand

You and many others are products of your religious studies but you can't still see how it has made you who you are. And the funny thing is that's because you are still using the belief you had in the fairytales of religion to look at life instead of seeing life with the understanding you gained from the fairytales of religion. The effect is you think you see life, but you do not understand that you are looking through murky glass.

So instead of blaming religion for not using your lenses my Lord, be responsible and admit you were silly for believing instead of understanding the book of fairytales. You'd have been equally silly if you had believed Aesop's fairytales or Things Fall Apart or a Physics textbook.

When you understand you will actually appreciate how well your eyes work, because, your eyes do work very well, thanks to your religious studies, but you just don't yet know how well you see nor do you understand that religion opened your eyes by making you disbelieve so you'd ask and knock and seek with all your hear and soul and mind and being until you found and were set free.

Now, if this isn't a right proper head twisting conundrum I have set before you my Lord.

It is very easy for atheist like TheSourcerer to critic bible but it difficult for him and others to mention the Koran

budaatum:


My Lord, you do still use the lens of fairytales to look at life. The difference is you never used to look at life at all with your lenses and believed you looked and saw instead. If you consider the numerous believers, both theists and atheists you discuss with, you may understand

You and many others are products of your religious studies but you can't still see how it has made you who you are. And the funny thing is that's because you are still using the belief you had in the fairytales of religion to look at life instead of seeing life with the understanding you gained from the fairytales of religion. The effect is you think you see life, but you do not understand that you are looking through murky glass.

So instead of blaming religion for not using your lenses my Lord, be responsible and admit you were silly for believing instead of understanding the book of fairytales. You'd have been equally silly if you had believed Aesop's fairytales or Things Fall Apart or a Physics textbook.

When you understand you will actually appreciate how well your eyes work, because, your eyes do work very well, thanks to your religious studies, but you just don't yet know how well you see nor do you understand that religion opened your eyes by making you disbelieve so you'd ask and knock and seek with all your hear and soul and mind and being until you found and were set free.

Now, if this isn't a right proper head twisting conundrum I have set before you my Lord.

It must seem like I am blaming religion my dear buda but I would have assumed you know me better than to do that. If anything I reveal exactly what you say.

LordReed:


It must seem like I am blaming religion my dear buda but I would have assumed you know me better than to do that. If anything I reveal exactly what you say.

It is precisely because you reveal what I say that I wrote it in such a complex way knowing you'd see right through me my Lord.

You know it is not revealed to most that I blame religion for your enlightening.

budaatum:


It is precisely because you reveal what I say that I wrote it in such a complex way knowing you'd see right through me my Lord.

You know it is not revealed to most that I blame religion for your enlightening.

LoL! I concur.

LordReed:


LoL! I concur.

Many will be troubled by the Christness of this atheist and the unChristness of the so called believing theist, but would not say so least they be misunderstood, yet can not deny the fruits they see with their eyes and the conviction of the Holy Ghost in their hearts.

budaatum:


Many will be troubled by the Christness of this atheist and the unChristness of the so called believing theist, but would not say so least they be misunderstood, yet can not deny the fruits they see with their eyes and the conviction of the Holy Ghost in their hearts.

May they encounter the mud and pool of Siloam.

LordReed:


May they encounter the mud and pool of Siloam.

God doesn't exist

Simple the only thing that will change is I will just add more sugar to my tea

budaatum:
I am convinced that Gods and Satans and heaven and hell and anything after death are figments of the imagination cooked up in the minds of some. and even Jesus Christ might even be a fable created by Romans (though no evidence supports this position).

My fellow atheist.

budaatum:
I am convinced that Gods and Satans and heaven and hell and anything after death are figments of the imagination cooked up in the minds of some. and even Jesus Christ might even be a fable created by Romans (though no evidence supports this position).

Still, the Word is Lord, and whosoever understands what Christ taught will live fruitfully on this earth at least.

Which makes me ask you op.

What is religion?

a con-word to show human assocciation and accountability of actions .

edoairways:
It is very easy for atheist like TheSourcerer to critic bible but it difficult for him and others to mention the Koran

the Koran flats out states the Earth is as 'flat as a clay laudvuoon by a seal! Mohammed was a pedophile who killed Aisha's family and married the young 9 year old , saying it was the will of God

Or the story of 2 men , one the son in law that god told him to sleep with his wife , 'or would you question God' he asked
He said no'lets Gods will be done. In order words have sex with my wife .

If Jesus floated to the sky or walked on water , it would be big news justvas we have now , how come no other person or people documented this amazing feat , but of course its in the bible and koran ,what was I thinking..

Nothing is lost. Christianity actually helps make a sane society. So it's nit about going to church, it's about having fellowship with God and loving your neighbors. There's nothing bad in me having a God's standard of morality.

But it's beyond that. The fact that Jesus came, died and rose is enough to demololish any conspiracy theory.

Pelecius:
Nothing is lost. Christianity actually helps make a sane society. So it's nit about going to church, it's about having fellowship with God and loving your neighbors. There's nothing bad in me having a God's standard of morality.

But it's beyond that. The fact that Jesus came, died and rose is enough to demololish any conspiracy theory.

If your god exists then he is the most immoral being in existence because he doesn't even follow his own rules.

but it is.

TheSourcerer:
a con-word to show human assocciation and accountability of actions .

That's lazy thinking TheSourcerer. You can at least have checked a dictionary or googled it to come up with something better than that if you had not bothered to read a whole book on religion to get what it means that is.

Would you care to have another go, trying harder this time?

What is religion?

LordReed:


If your god exists then he is the most immoral being in existence because he doesn't even follow his own rules.

See as you strawmanned! The person you mentioned was not talking about existence, but about learning from his or her God. But not only do you bring in existence, you expect learning to mean emulate as if one can not learn from both the good and the bad.

Must one produce a talking serpent before you understand you must eat fruits of trees of knowledge, my Lord?

Pelecius:
Nothing is lost. Christianity actually helps make a sane society. So it's nit about going to church, it's about having fellowship with God and loving your neighbors. There's nothing bad in me having a God's standard of morality.

But it's beyond that. The fact that Jesus came, died and rose is enough to demolish any conspiracy theory.

Martinez39s:
My fellow atheist.

More like an unbeliever. But I guess both words mean the same to many.

Try, "Christian Atheist". Tell me your understanding.

budaatum:


More like an unbeliever. But I guess both words mean the same to many.

Try, "Christian Atheist". Tell me your understanding.

Martinez39s:

Are you afraid to tell me what you understand 39s?

budaatum:
Are you afraid to tell me what you understand 39s?

No, I am not afraid. I just don't want to engage in any discussion related to theism and atheism. Anyway, how is life?

Martinez39s:
No, I am not afraid. I just don't want to engage in any discussion related to theism and atheism. Anyway, how is life?

Life is always absolutely completely stonking beautiful. Just that I have annoyingly forgotten to eat because I lack your wisdom and spent my time doing this.

I convince myself it's philosophy, as in studying the truths of nature and being, or at least, putting in words the thoughts in my mind, and not just the basics of theism and atheism, but it is foolish me who now starves, lol.

budaatum:


See as you strawmanned! The person you mentioned was not talking about existence, but about learning from his or her God. But not only do you bring in existence, you expect learning to mean emulate as if one can not learn from both the good and the bad.

Must one produce a talking serpent before you understand you must eat fruits of trees of knowledge, my Lord?

Ah but my dear buda the story does tell us how not to copy gods doesn't it? LoL

LordReed:


Ah but my dear buda the story does tell us how not to copy gods doesn't it? LoL

Depends how you understand it. To some it poses the question, Which of the two is the God, the liar or the one that told the truth? Which should then make one wonder what truth is?

All the same, it is the most important story in the entire book and the key to understanding everything else in it but most simply believe it instead of using their God given minds to ponder what it might mean.

Tell. Which of the two instructing beings is more representative of Jesus Christ.