IMAliyu:

When you or I as regular people look at a piece of wood, we probably just see a piece of wood without much meaning to it except for maybe it could be used as firewood, but to a skilled carpenter he may see more than just a piece of wood, but a chair, desk, or even a wooden sculpture or more.

You can't do this! But first know I'm referring to this alone and nothing else you've said.

You can't, or at least, you shouldn't just assume you and someone else you know nothing about would be a "we", and then, "probably just".

I mean, that's like two assumptions on a foundation of sand on which you now build the rest of your argument and expect it to stand.

How do you know the person you are talking to would not first consider if it were a soft wood like an arafa or a hardwood like iroko, or if they'd consider it as a one inch thick plank or a 2 by 4 or a 3 by 6inch, or even be a carpenter or a sculpturer or simply see the wood as firewood?

I'm saying this not really because of you, mind, but because Dtruthspeaker actually has assumed much more than you wrongly have in making out you've said what you never even implied, though he wrongly inferred you had.

budaatum:


You can't do this! But first know I'm referring to this alone and nothing else you've said.

You can't, or at least, you shouldn't just assume you and someone else you know nothing about would be a "we", and then, "probably just".

I mean, that's like two assumptions on a foundation of sand on which you now build the rest of your argument and expect it to stand.

How do you know the person you are talking to would not first consider if it were a soft wood like an arafa or a hardwood like iroko, or if they'd consider it as a one inch thick plank or a 2 by 4 or a 3 by 6inch, or even be a carpenter or a sculpturer or simply see the wood as firewood?

I'm saying this not really because of you, mind, but because Dtruthspeaker actually has assumed much more than you wrongly have in making out you've said what you never even implied, though he wrongly inferred you had.

Noted buda

IMAliyu:

Noted buda

Thank you. I am honoured.

Dtruthspeaker:


Morality is that which is Good and Right including The Laws in Furtherance of Good and Right.

It is not a distinction or separation, it is A Clear Position or Stand or House or Ground of Right and Good.

The measurement of Morality is Seen when a Right and Good subject matter is applied to a person, whether in truth he shall embrace it like a Soft teddy bear or whether he shall flee from it in rejection as one which bringeth a red hot knife to the skin!

You should quote the person who asked the question not me.

Dtruthspeaker:


First in saying "If your god exists" even after I have settled this with you previously

Secondly, in Falsely Accusing Him of immorality in saying "then he is the most immoral being in existence" when He has Never done one Wrong ever, which I have also settled and pointed out to you.

Thirdly you Falsely Accuse Him of being immoral and not Following His Laws in saying "he is the most immoral being because he doesn't even follow his own rules" where you could never Truly find any one time that He Did Something Not Consistent with His Reasonable Rights Exactly as you do.

I am an atheist so I don't know where or when we settled anything about a god's existence.

Your god according to your bible, lies or uses deception, he kills, he fornicated, he watches people having sex (porn), he doesn’t care about people starving or suffering even though he has the power to prevent or end it (not in the Bible per se, more of an inference from human experience), etc. These and more show that if your god exists, he is immoral or maybe amoral.

LordReed:


They make a reason in their minds and its sufficient especially if it turns out to be a good reason.

The reasons die along with them when they die.

HellVictorinho:

The reasons die along with them when they die.

Or they passed along before they die.

LordReed:

I am an atheist so I don't know where or when we settled anything about a god's existence.

Your god according to your bible, lies or uses deception, he kills, he fornicated, he watches people having sex (porn), he doesn’t care about people starving or suffering even though he has the power to prevent or end it (not in the Bible per se, more of an inference from human experience), etc. These and more show that if your god exists, he is immoral or maybe amoral.

Even your Paragraph Stands Against You and Betrays You saying you are not an atheist for see how quick and short your claim is, compared to your Lengthy and Very Emotional and Passionate allegation against A Person who you say does not exist.

It is not possible for anyone to hate what does not exist. HATRED ALWAYS COMES FROM DIRECT AND PERSONAL CONNECTION WITH A THING IN EXISTENCE eg hatred for Snakes, Buhari, height, darkness etc.


So your words Show and SAY YOU ARE A LIAR for you Already know personally that God Exists!

Further Your passion indicates very high and unreasonable levels of hatred for God and even after I have severally shown you the reasonableness of His Conduct and you could not offer any reasonable counter, you have still Refused to drop the False Accusations which is what ONLY a Satanist Does and Must Do.

So there you are, even your own words and passions call you A Liar!

So seeing all these past engagements that you can never be reasonable on the matters of God, you are an Unreasonable Unwavering Hater of God, As your Passions and Traditions Have Betrayed you!

IMAliyu:

I'd like to know what I said to lead you to that rationale?

"You are equating God and law?"
God as I understand it is the abstraction for all things outside human capabilities."

Good! You got my view! For this was your True and little opinion when The Sourcerer asked

"TheSourcerer:
Let's say if we eventually get convinced of the non existence of satan or and God , what then will be your purpose in life ? How would it change you?

And you IMAliyu answered

"I've ran the mental experiment.

Nothing changes really.

Life goes on, man must still survive, find ways to be good, take care of family etc.

It's like of what consequence is it if I choose to believe that unicorns exist? Me believing or being convinced of there existence, doesn't change how I should act in the world or treat people, at least based on my personal philosophy.

That's why I've humbled my self for this religion matter, though I continue to practice."

what you did not know.was that if there is No God, there would be No Laws, Exactly as when Daddy or Principal has Traveled, the Children Do whatever they like!

LordReed:


Or they passed along before they die.

Is there a reason why humans appeared in the first place
Is there a reason why there is life on Earth

IMAliyu:

Laws on the other hand are a set of rules created and enforced by people, because guess what? When you have a large number of people living together they need to create a bunch of rules for how to behave towards each other and punishment for who ever breaks that agreement, to maintain a sense of fairness and calm, because the only other option is anarchy and constant fighting...

And this is Another Truth you did not know (I too, until I started examining and following the leads already on ground), Law Came Before Man, therefore, even a man living on his own is Already Under Law eg The Law of Eating and Drinking, The Law of Sleeping and Working, The Law of Joy and Sorrow, The Law of Pleasure and Pain, The Law of Life and Death!

It is based on these Greater Laws that he relates with other men and Because of These Laws especially The Law of Life and Death, he negotiated an agreement between himself and his neighbour so that they do not harm each (since both of you can harm yourselves in line with The Law of Life and Death) which you erroneously think is the only law in force.

Which is why you are again wrong for there is The Greater Law which No Man Made, Which rather is The Maker of man, To Wit- "Let the man be made!"

Where the Bible puts it as "Let us Make man" Exactly as we say "let us make a flying car"!

Dtruthspeaker:


Even your Paragraph Stands Against You and Betrays You saying you are not an atheist for see how quick and short your claim is, compared to your Lengthy and Very Emotional and Passionate allegation against A Person who you say does not exist.

It is not possible for anyone to hate what does not exist. HATRED ALWAYS COMES FROM DIRECT AND PERSONAL CONNECTION WITH A THING IN EXISTENCE eg hatred for Snakes, Buhari, height, darkness etc.


So your words Show and SAY YOU ARE A LIAR for you Already know personally that God Exists!

Further Your passion indicates very high and unreasonable levels of hatred for God and even after I have severally shown you the reasonableness of His Conduct and you could not offer any reasonable counter, you have still Refused to drop the False Accusations which is what ONLY a Satanist Does and Must Do.

So there you are, even your own words and passions call you A Liar!

So seeing all these past engagements that you can never be reasonable on the matters of God, you are an Unreasonable Unwavering Hater of God, As your Passions and Traditions Have Betrayed you!

Don't be a dummy this early morning. I'm speaking as if the god was real not as if I believe that to be true. If you want to continue being a dummy then kindly Bleep off, I will not entertain your stupidity this time around.

HellVictorinho:

Is there a reason why humans appeared in the first place
Is there a reason why there is life on Earth

If you mean purpose then no there is no purpose for life or humans but if you mean the result of previous actions, then yeah we are here because of the natural processes that resulted in the current structure of the universe.

edoairways:
It is very easy for atheist like TheSourcerer to critic bible but it difficult for him and others to mention the Koran

i do mention tye qur'an

LordReed:


If you mean purpose then no there is no purpose for life or humans but if you mean the result of previous actions, then yeah we are here because of the natural processes that resulted in the current structure of the universe.

Is there any reason why those processes resulted in the current structure of the universe

LordReed:


Morality is principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.

The basis of my Morality is human wellbeing, I measure morality by the effect it has on human wellbeing.

Thanks

First of all, making distinction between GOOD and BAD could be vague. One will have to ask, who defines what is GOOD or what is BAD? That is, what do we call GOOD?
Secondly, who decides that a certain BEHAVIOUR is GOOD or BAD?
Mind you, since you seem to be in the atheism camp, it'll be great if your answers are consistent with an atheistic WORLDVIEW

The answers for those above would determine if we can talk about HUMAN WELL BEING even in an atheistic worldview.

Thanks for being nice

LordReed:


Don't be a dummy this early morning. I'm speaking as if the god was real not as if I believe that to be true. If you want to continue being a dummy then kindly Bleep off, I will not entertain your stupidity this time around.

And He was so real that you PRE-JUDGEDLY HATE Him, without affording Him a Fair Trial, shows how unfair and unreasonable a man that you are, "In Judging a Person without the benefit of a Fair Trial!"

Stop hiding in the darkness, declare it and be proud of it, that you are A True Hater of God, even if God has Good and Justified Reasons, you will never alter your view.

Which is why you chose and adopted the name of Evil Personified, seen in the Movie Game of Thrones as your moniker, for you love him and his ways which clearly and undoubtedly means that you love all things evil like him and Satan.

And like Satan, you both Hate God beyond every good and just reason.

Therefore, you are A Satan-son!

And if I see you acting as though you are a reasonable man to any audience other than your usual company, do take notice that I would be coming to interject to them that you are Satanist/ Satanson!

For I have reasonably engaged you in several threads Reasonably Proving to you That God is Blameless and Righteous which you could not rebut but still, you go on Accusing Him Unjustly and Wickedly, Exactly as Satan Does!

So you either raise your banners of Satan-ness since people appear to foolishly forget who LortReed is AND ARE DECEIVED BY THE APPEARANCE OF YOUR CALM REASONABLE DISPOSITION or I will cause you to reveal yourself!

Pelecius:

Thanks

First of all, making distinction between GOOD and BAD could be vague. One will have to ask, who defines what is GOOD or what is BAD? That is, what do we call GOOD?
Secondly, who decides that a certain BEHAVIOUR is GOOD or BAD?
Mind you, since you seem to be in the atheism camp, it'll be great if your answers are consistent with an atheistic WORLDVIEW

The answers for those above would determine if we can talk about HUMAN WELL BEING even in an atheistic worldview.

Thanks for being nice

Watch Out Pelecius, the guy you are talking to is Truly a Snake as The Original LortReed in Game of Thrones, He Is A Satanist and A Hater of God not an atheist.

He is Nairaland's Satan come to devour and swallow up the souls of foolish people who taught they were wise eg CAPSLOCKED, Budaatum, even Muttleylaff at a point and many others who no longer speak on nairaland.

He fled from Religion Section were his work has been destroyed to come over here to catch foolish souls who do not know The Truth and Law of Life and Death but think they do.

You would be well advised to stay of from him for sake of yourself and your soul, if you love yourself.

He is very very knowledgeable and very intelligent,Twisty and Beautifully Winding with words and spirit (evil spirit that is, and if you do not know spirits already, you are dead prey already), as A Snake,

He would swallow you up (as one) if you do not take counsel and stay away from him,.

He is only reasonable when he can beat you, but grounded lying and cheating is always in his hand to use when and where necessary, and he accurately uses it too.

If you do not hold your life, he will eat you up as he has done others here that's what he is here in this Section for!

You already know the popular warning "Fly wey no dey hear word"

Dtruthspeaker:


what you did not know.was that if there is No God, there would be No Laws,

This just shows how little understanding you have. Please tell me, are you not a lawyer? Do they not teach the 'History of Law' as part of the course anymore?

Common wiki will teach you if you can not be bothered to read a book, so there really is no justification for this ignorance!

Dtruthspeaker:

Law Came Before Man, therefore, even a man living on his own is Already Under Law eg The Law of Eating and Drinking, The Law of Sleeping and Working, The Law of Joy and Sorrow, The Law of Pleasure and Pain, The Law of Life and Death!

For a lawyer, you seem to have an odd definition of "Law".

Could you tell me how many cases you get that relate to the laws you mention above please?

If you have none, perhaps you can just site a case from anywhere involving these "Laws" so we can learn what you mean?

The person who wrote what you are about to read below is a definitely going to heaven Christian. But do not take my word for it for by his fruits you can surely hell.

Dtruthspeaker:


Watch Out Pelecius, the guy you are talking to is Truly a Snake as The Original LortReed in Game of Thrones, He Is A Satanist and A Hater of God not an atheist.

He is Nairaland's Satan come to devour and swallow up the souls of foolish people who taught they were wise eg CAPSLOCKED, and many others who no longer speak on nairaland.

He fled from Religion Section were his work has been destroyed to come over here to catch foolish souls who do not know The Truth and Law of Life and Death but think they do.

You would be well advised to stay of from him for sake of yourself and your soul, if you love yourself.

He is very very knowledgeable and very intelligent,Twisty and Beautifully Winding with words and spirit (evil spirit that is, and if you do not know spirits already, you are dead prey already), as A Snake,

He would swallow you up (as one) if you do not take counsel and stay away from him,.

He is only reasonable when he can beat you, but grounded lying and cheating is always in his hand to use when and where necessary, and he accurately uses it too.

If you do not hold your life, he will eat you up as he has done others here that's what he is here in this Section for!

You already know the popular warning "Fly wey no dey hear word".

Dtruthspeaker:


Budaatum,

Oh, look. You've added buda lol.

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HellVictorinho:

Is there any reason why those processes resulted in the current structure of the universe

Like I said it is the result of natural processes, there is no reason other than that. Naturals processes as far as we know are not direcyed what they achieve, they simply occur according to the physical laws of nature.

budaatum:


This just shows how little understanding you have. Please tell me, are you not a lawyer? Do they not teach the 'History of Law' as part of the course anymore?

Common wiki will teach you if you can not be bothered to read a book, so there really is no justification for this ignorance!

I am Very Much Joyful that I am in My Natural Habitat of Law and being in my habitat I know even more than wiki can teach. I even went back to challenge my former Lectures of Law and they All Fled before me and bowed to Greater Knowledge.

I have found The True Origins and History of Law and NO ONE CAN REASONABLY, FAIRLY AND RIGHTLY FIND ANY FAULT TO THEM,

I AM SO CONFIDENT THAT I PUT THE SUM OF N10,000. to anyone who can reasonably and fairly and Justly take me down with no cheats, change of posts and all the rules of fair argument. (Offer ends at 6pm 26/03/2021)

So attacking me personally (ad hominem) instead of the rightness or wrongness of my assertion laid before you is not A VALID REBUTTAL.

FIND ANOTHER VALID WAY IF YOU CAN!

Next person!

Pelecius:

Thanks

First of all, making distinction between GOOD and BAD could be vague. One will have to ask, who defines what is GOOD or what is BAD? That is, what do we call GOOD?
Secondly, who decides that a certain BEHAVIOUR is GOOD or BAD?
Mind you, since you seem to be in the atheism camp, it'll be great if your answers are consistent with an atheistic WORLDVIEW

The answers for those above would determine if we can talk about HUMAN WELL BEING even in an atheistic worldview.

Thanks for being nice

I already answered this by saying:

LordReed:

The basis of my Morality is human wellbeing, I measure morality by the effect it has on human wellbeing.

Every conscious and intelligent being, at least at level of human consciousness, is the determinant of their morality. Communal morality is determined by consensus, directly or indirectly by all that are involved in that community.

I have already laid out succinctly how I arrive at my moral framework and it is consistent with my worldview which includes my lack of belief in a god or gods.

budaatum:


Oh, look. You've added buda lol...

I do love them but neither do we bear the sword, Shield, amour and helmet for decoration!

budaatum:
The person who wrote what you are about to read below is a definitely going to heaven Christian. But do not take my word for it for by his fruits you can surely hell.

LMAO! That one may need 7 baths in the pool of Siloam.

Sorry Dt, but you really do know nothing about the History of Law, because no credible teaching will inform you that laws were made by Gods despite that being what the masses the laws are imposed on are made to believe. And if you do not know something as simple as that which you ought to have learnt as part of your legal education, then I can't exactly pressume you'd know anything at all, especially since your fruits do not even at all match your words.

And by the way, its a bit too late for you to be crying that you are being attacked personally when almost every contribution of your's to this thread has been personal attacks. If you can't take it consider not first dishing it out.

Dtruthspeaker:


I am Very Much Joyful that I am in My Natural Habitat of Law and being in my habitat I know even more than wiki can teach. I even went back to challenge my former Lectures of Law and they All Fled before me and bowed to Greater Knowledge.

I have found The True Origins and History of Law and NO ONE CAN REASONABLY, FAIRLY AND RIGHTLY FIND ANY FAULT TO THEM,

I AM SO CONFIDENT THAT I PUT THE SUM OF N10,000. to anyone who can reasonably and fairly and Justly take me down with no chears, change if posts and all the rules of fair argument.

So attacking me personally (ad hominem) instead of the rightness or wrongness of my assertion laid before you is not A VALID REBUTTAL,

FIND ANOTHER VALID WAY IF YOU CAN!

Next person!

LordReed:


LMAO! That one may need 7 baths in the pool of Siloam.

He has not qualified for the pool yet because he hasn't even qualified for the mud!

Dtruthspeaker:


I do love them but neither do we bear the sword, Shield, amour and helmet for decoration!

You stick knives in the backs of those you love?

You will need to forgive me if it seems like I do not have the time to waste to respond to you. It's just that there are more intelligent people I'd rather spend my time responding to.

budaatum:
The person who wrote what you are about to read below is a definitely going to heaven Christian. But do not take my word for it for by his fruits you can surely hell.

everyone is allowed access to heaven and satansons are one of the most proficient visitors and users of it than ordinary regular folk, which is why you and all who think and say that you are going to heaven are already in ERROR, EXACTLY LIKE WRITING ESSAY IN A PHYSICS EXAM!

The Place to be is The Exclusive Kingdom of God with a New Heaven and A New Earth and A New Man. All these things that we know will be wiped out completely and permanently!

Now, be Truthful, shall he who said these wicked and false Accusations Against The Owner of The House, that is to come?

LordReed:

... he is the most immoral being in existence because he doesn't even follow his own rules.

LordReed:

...Your god according to your bible, lies or uses deception, he kills, he fornicated, he watches people having sex (porn), he doesn’t care about people starving or suffering even though he has the power to prevent or end it (not in the Bible per se, more of an inference from human experience), etc. These and more show that if your god exists, he is immoral or maybe amoral.

Shall such a false and very Unreasonable Accuser enter?

I think you know the True Answer Already!

Dtruthspeaker:


Now, be Truthful, shall he who said these wicked and false Accusations Against The Owner of The House, that is to come?

Shall such a false and very Unreasonable Accuser enter?

Will one be standing at the gate with The Owner of The House judging who shall enter?

Is it not written that one should mind one's own forest instead of anothers mote?

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Will you enter dt or will you be gnashing your teeth?