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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 2:45pm On Mar 25, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
Exactly. Ferguson saw a replica to Scholes that would form a twin partnership.

Ferguson loved everything about Mikel.

During the saga, I watched on MUTV how Ferguson flew repeatedly to Norway to convince Mikel not to accept the Chelsea deal.

Rumors have it that it was beyond footballing terms. There were forces behind Mikel not going to Manchester United.

Mikel even pointed out that after Chelsea beat Manchester United in the FA Cup Final, Ferguson still told Mikel that he would play for him.

How Mourinho robbed Mikel of such love from a top coach is heart breaking.

I really hate remembering this Mikel issue. It pains me.
Ferguson never went to Norway, he wanted to but he didn't
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:45pm On Mar 25, 2021
andrewbaba44:
Mikel was never rated ahead of essien and will never be

Even our local bias complete sport and co will never rate mikel ahead of essien grin
That is them. And most is rating for a brief period. But, in the long run, Mikel lasted longer at the top.

Whether they rate or not.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:46pm On Mar 25, 2021
jihday:
Ferguson never went to Norway, he wanted to but he didn't

I watched it. They did not tell me. I used to be a died hard Manchester United fan from 1996 to 2010.

Ferguson went to Norway repeatedly. The last I watched, Mikel refused to attend to him.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 2:47pm On Mar 25, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
That is them. And most is rating for a brief period. But, in the long run, Mikel lasted longer at the top.

Whether they rate or not.
Not just them but the football world grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:48pm On Mar 25, 2021
jihday:
Ferguson never went to Norway, he wanted to but he didn't
I even vexed. I said who does Mikel feel he is not to listen to Ferguson after he traveled to see him.

Before the news of the back forces came up.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 2:48pm On Mar 25, 2021
TheGoodJoe:

I watched it. They did not tell me. I used to be a died hard Manchester United fan from 1996 to 2010.

Ferguson went to Norway repeatedly. The last I watched, Mikel refused to attend to him.
Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson considered travelling to Oslo to visit Mikel, but decided against this after Mikel was reported to have left the country. (taken from Google)
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:48pm On Mar 25, 2021
andrewbaba44:
Not just them but the football world grin
The point is simple.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 2:49pm On Mar 25, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
Ferguson would have not. He flew to Norway three times to convince Mikel to turn down Chelsea. I watched two of them on MUTV.

He wanted and had a plan for Mikel. He would not have sold him.

I am telling you how desperate Ferguson wanted Mikel and his belief in him. You are just guessing and writing people are delusional without a reason to back it up.

He even nicknamed Mikel- Obi Wan.
3 times? Mr Joe Abeg na grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:50pm On Mar 25, 2021
jihday:
Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson considered travelling to Oslo to visit Mikel, but decided against this after Mikel was reported to have left the country. (taken from Google)
You are browsing. I am telling you I watched. That is the problem with a lot of you. You even argue what you don't know.

You browse and argue.

I watched.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:50pm On Mar 25, 2021
jihday:
3 times? Mr Joe Abeg na grin
As I said, you are browsing and arguing.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 2:51pm On Mar 25, 2021
chrisooblog:
yeah Mikel was caught in the cross fire between Ferguson and Mourinho's egò/ambition.

anytime I remember Mikel's displays at U20 WC and 2006 AFCON like you I always have what ifs flooding through my mind of what john could have become
Wasn't very impressive in 2006, started in place of okocha and our attack was very poor, okocha later replaced him (I think)
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:52pm On Mar 25, 2021
jihday:
3 times? Mr Joe Abeg na grin
I can even tell you some of the meetings were with Andersen. About the case. With respect to Manchester United.

I don't miss MUTV then.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 2:53pm On Mar 25, 2021
chrisooblog:
i agree 100% Man U would have been ideal for Mikel. Chelsea and Mourinho were just desperate not to give Ferguson any ammunition to hurt them.

Dude the thing weak me sef. I mean look at someone like Carrick before he arrived Man U he was just another random jam body english midfielder but see how ferguson polished him. That's one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of Jose respect his successes but as a developer of talents i rate him very low
Do you people think we don't watch ball here? Carrick another jam body? Somebody that was a top talent at spurs?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:53pm On Mar 25, 2021
jihday:
Wasn't very impressive in 2006, started in place of okocha and our attack was very poor, okocha later replaced him (I think)


Did you watch?

Mikel was good then.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by wayodude(m): 2:56pm On Mar 25, 2021
chrisooblog:
i agree 100% Man U would have been ideal for Mikel. Chelsea and Mourinho were just desperate not to give Ferguson any ammunition to hurt them.

Dude the thing weak me sef. I mean look at someone like Carrick before he arrived Man U he was just another random jam body english midfielder but see how ferguson polished him. That's one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of Jose respect his successes but as a developer of talents i rate him very low
Young Michael Carrick of West Ham was a jam body playerhuh shocked

Nah bro, you wrong.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 2:56pm On Mar 25, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Did you watch?

Mikel was good then.
I watched 2006 afcon, that game was a borefest. We were totally outplayed
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 2:57pm On Mar 25, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
As I said, you are browsing and arguing.
Google greater than someone on nairaland
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 2:58pm On Mar 25, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
You are browsing. I am telling you I watched. That is the problem with a lot of you. You even argue what you don't know.

You browse and argue.

I watched.
So I should believe you ahead of Google? Are you God? He could have met Anderson in England but he didn't go to Norway
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:58pm On Mar 25, 2021
wayodude:
Young Michael Carrick of West Ham was a jam body playerhuh shocked

Nah bro, you wrong.
I was not blown away by him until some years at Manchester United.

Years later. He was a very top player. That is what chrisooblog is talking About.

Over the years at Manchester United, Carrick was highly special.

By the way, I didn't even know his name at West Ham.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:01pm On Mar 25, 2021
jihday:
So I should believe you ahead of Google? Are you God? He could have met Anderson in England but he didn't go to Norway
I don't care if you believe.

But, you can not Google and be claiming.

Google are articles.

I was obsessed about the news.

I can even tell you Mikel stopped training with the team and was living in a hotel away from public to prevent anyone from reaching him.

You can only Google and argue.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by chrisooblog: 3:09pm On Mar 25, 2021
disagree 100% Mikel in 2006 AFCON was phenomenal considering the fact that he wasn't playing club football due to the Chelsea/Manchester United controversy.

Mind you we had some solid midfielders in Wilson Oruma and Christian Obodo but Mikel still outshone them both. That a young man with barely any national team experience who hadn't played club football for months would come in and dominate veterans should tell you of his talent. I remember watching how he would control the tempo of our midfield and make us dominant in that part of the pitch. Even the game we lost to CIV was lack of defensive discipline that cost us yet Mikel still held his against a team that had Yaya Toure, Zokora o!.

Okocha was already spent in 2006.

Just to appreciate how good Mikel was that year can you imagine Keshi or Rohr picking an inactive, inexperienced 18-year-old for a tournament like the AFCON and making him the fulcrum of your midfield?

jihday:
Wasn't very impressive in 2006, started in place of okocha and our attack was very poor, okocha later replaced him (I think)
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:12pm On Mar 25, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
I don't care if you believe.

But, you can not Google and be claiming.

Google are articles.

I was obsessed about the news.

I can even tell you Mikel stopped training with the team and was living in a hotel away from public to prevent anyone from reaching him.

You can only Google and argue.
You can only claim to watch and argue. It's on Google too.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:16pm On Mar 25, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
Mikel was playing for a top team and starting against top teams and was a regular for a longer time than Essien.

So he is rated ahead of Essien.

You can say think before you talk but it does not change the fact.

Mikel was a top player for a longer time.

Finito.

Just like Iniesta and Toni Kroos we're top players for a longer time than Ronaldinho. Thus rated higher than him.

Finito.

Deep down, that is the truth.
Mikel rated ahead of Essien cheesy Nothing I see here can surprise me again
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by chrisooblog: 3:17pm On Mar 25, 2021
when spurs where known as Tottering hotspur? Carrick was just another English midfielder nobody knew even scott parker sef was better known. It was when carrick joined Man U that his game transformed for the better. I know he was part of the glenn hoddle team that finished I think 5th that season that had the likes of jermaine defoe and joe cole.

jihday:
Do you people think we don't watch ball here? Carrick another jam body? Somebody that was a top talent at spurs?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by chrisooblog: 3:22pm On Mar 25, 2021
Carrick wasn't turning heads then. The standout players then were Kanoute, defoe and joe cole. It was when he joined Manchester United that his game now really flourished. I mean look at Lampard he was just there at West Ham but see how he transformed into a world class player at Chelsea.

wayodude:
Young Michael Carrick of West Ham was a jam body playerhuh shocked

Nah bro, you wrong.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by chrisooblog: 3:23pm On Mar 25, 2021
exactly you get my point.

TheGoodJoe:
I was not blown away by him until some years at Manchester United.

Years later. He was a very top player. That is what chrisooblog is talking About.

Over the years at Manchester United, Carrick was highly special.

By the way, I didn't even know his name at West Ham.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 3:26pm On Mar 25, 2021
jihday:
Mikel rated ahead of Essien cheesy Nothing I see here can surprise me again
Some people here Dey tire me

He should go and say this in European football thread or Chelsea thread they will troll him for long
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:27pm On Mar 25, 2021
chrisooblog:
when spurs where known as Tottering hotspur? Carrick was just another English midfielder nobody knew even scott parker sef was better known. It was when carrick joined Man U that his game transformed for the better. I know he was part of the glenn hoddle team that finished I think 5th that season that had the likes of jermaine defoe and joe cole.
Tottenham regularly finished in the top 7. A player bought for 18mill in 2006? Stop capping Bro
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by kendrick93(m): 3:29pm On Mar 25, 2021
jihday:
Wasn't very impressive in 2006, started in place of okocha and our attack was very poor, okocha later replaced him (I think)
Okocha played only one game, as a sub against ivory coast
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 3:35pm On Mar 25, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
What is Alex Ferguson being wrong. He had the player two years before Shittu was in the scene. Andersen and Mikel knew long before Shittu.

All of a sudden Shittu had a contract with the same player. Who stole Mikel? It was Shittu.

Andersen and Ferguson had to let go. A player they started nurturing before the U17. Where was Shittu then?
He is wrong because the court still determined that Shittu was the rightful agent. This is Europe we are talking about here so we know there was no mago mago. The facts were presented and Shittu won the case meaning Anderson was the fraudulent agent. The rest is just hearsay
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:36pm On Mar 25, 2021
kendrick93:
Okocha played only one game, as a sub against ivory coast
Was talking about that game against Ivory Coast
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by kendrick93(m): 3:37pm On Mar 25, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
Mikel was playing for a top team and starting against top teams and was a regular for a longer time than Essien.

So he is rated ahead of Essien.

You can say think before you talk but it does not change the fact.

Mikel was a top player for a longer time.

Finito.

Just like Iniesta and Toni Kroos we're top players for a longer time than Ronaldinho. Thus rated higher than him.

Finito.

Deep down, that is the truth.
Essien during his peak years of 04-09 was amongst the best midfielders in the game, probably he was the best DM/box-box hybrid player.
At no time did Mikel ever reached that level.
Mikel was good between 07-12, so looking at it logically i really don't think using the 'last Long' argument cuts it considering both of them had 5/6 yrs at a top level.
The difference between both is Essien at his peak was levels above any African midfielder..
I will commend Mikel though for making good use of his talent to play at a top level that long considering the competition he had at Chelsea.
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