kimco:

Are you a JW?

I don't believe in your churches let alone your denomination or cults.

Kobojunkie:
Matthew 20

Ok but isn't public office service? Are you saying a born again Christian can not be appointed as a Minister or Perm Sec or DG or Chairman of a board?

LordReed:

Ok but isn't public office service? Are you saying a born again Christian can not be appointed as a Minister or Perm Sec or DG or Chairman of a board?

A born again lives by rules set forth by Jesus Christ, and so, like Jesus Christ, would instead focus on serving as He, Jesus Christ did, not as the world defines the word.

Matthew 20 vs 20-28 (ESV)
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20. Then Zebedee’s wife came to Jesus and brought her sons. She bowed before Jesus and asked him to do something for her.
21. Jesus said, “What do you want?”
She said, “Promise that one of my sons will sit at your right side in your kingdom and the other at your left.”
22. So Jesus said to the sons, “You don’t understand what you are asking. Can you drink from the cup[a] that I must drink from?”
The sons answered, “Yes, we can!”
23. Jesus said to them, “It is true that you will drink from the cup that I drink from. But it is not for me to say who will sit at my right or my left. My Father has decided who will do that. He has prepared those places for them.”
24. The other ten followers heard this and were angry with the two brothers.
25. So Jesus called the followers together. He said, “You know that the rulers of the non-Jewish people love to show their power over the people. And their important leaders love to use all their authority over the people.
26. But it should not be that way with you. Whoever wants to be your leader must be your servant.
27. Whoever wants to be first must serve the rest of you like a slave.
28. Do as I did: The Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.”

Kobojunkie:
I can only tell you of what Jesus Christ commanded and did, but not why people choose to do what they do.

According to Jesus Christ, not everyone who calls Him Lord belongs to , or loves Him. He made it clear that only those who obey His commsndments are those who love Him.

Lol you are funny. Now let me ask you this finally. Is it a sin to go into politics? Back your response up with scripture.

kkins25:
Abeg where the evidence?

The evidence is in how Jesus refused to be a king. The evidence is in how he said his kingdom is not part of this word. The evidence is in how he commanded his disciples not to kill by the sword (as a government official, its ur job to execute criminals, its ur job to maintain soldiers and even send them out to kill perceived enemies). Another evidence is in how he confirmed that satan is the ruler of the present system of things.
Now that last point will help me to show you why this seeming change from how some of Gods people took up leadership positions politically, in the old testament:
1. There was in the old testament a nation- Israel, that God took interest in and made example of how a people led and ordered by God should look like. God used this nation too for its greatest mission, which was bringing about the messiah. Now, there isn't such nation of God again(dont let the present nation of israel confuse you. They dont know God or follow his christ). There isn't a physical political entity that needs Gods people to be leaders and guide, but the nation of God is spiritual now and has no physical limiting boundaries. It contains people from every nation of the world. So for example, if you as a suppose born again president of nigeria finds a seemingly logical reason to go to war with Cameroon, you most probably will end up killing many of your spiritual brothers.
2. As Christian's now,we have to show faith through our actions and decisions that like Jeremiah observed,'man cannot direct his steps'. We expect the kingdom under Jesus to come and give a true and beneficial society. We by our not vying for political offices even when we think we have the necessary qualities show faith in Jesus being the only solution to the world's problem. Mind you, there are strong evidences that satan fell to this world only after christ's death and ascension. So his influence over the world now political scenes, is too great to allow any believer stand steadfast. The political system all over is his now (or look for any country in the world that doesn't have policies that are not clearly anti-bible. See america with abortion and gay policies. See the way israel is treating Palestinians). Jesus said we are not part of THIS world.
3. Human now have depreciated further mentally, physically and spiritually. As we are living farther from the time of Eden so is our depreciation getting worse. You has a bible student and learned person will be surprised and even shocked at the general public ideas and style. It was famously said sometime ago that if Jesus was to stand in an election today he wouldn't win. You might think this assessment is going too far, that who wouldn't vote for such person that have such super powers? You just have to remember how majority of israel that witnessed his powers rejected and even went further to kill him, because they feared what he stands for will hurt them physically. That the lifestyle he encourages isn't convenient. Now, would you vote for a leader, that says he will ban cigarettes and weeds? That says he will ensure nobody have sex outside marriage? That says we must not seek revenge against the fulanis that kill us but we must try to win them over over time through love?

Kobojunkie:
A born again lives by rules set forth by Jesus Christ, and so, like Jesus Christ, would instead focus on serving as He, Jesus Christ did, not as the world defines the word.

So if you are a worker in an office you can not be made head of that office?

Kobojunkie:
Context is king!

When Jesus said it wasn't for him to decide who would be sitting beside him but his father.......In what capacity was Jesus speaking and what's the role of the father he laid claim. Or we should believe the same Jesus that was talking as a son or prophet was also regarding himself as the father ( the almighty God ) in that context.

Adjovi:
Lol you are funny. Now let me ask you this finally. Is it a sin to go into politics?

Read what Jesus Christ Himself said in Matthew 20 vs 20 -28.

Matthew 20 vs 20-28 (ESV)
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20. Then Zebedee’s wife came to Jesus and brought her sons. She bowed before Jesus and asked him to do something for her.
21. Jesus said, “What do you want?”
She said, “Promise that one of my sons will sit at your right side in your kingdom and the other at your left.”
22. So Jesus said to the sons, “You don’t understand what you are asking. Can you drink from the cup[a] that I must drink from?”
The sons answered, “Yes, we can!”
23. Jesus said to them, “It is true that you will drink from the cup that I drink from. But it is not for me to say who will sit at my right or my left. My Father has decided who will do that. He has prepared those places for them.”
24. The other ten followers heard this and were angry with the two brothers.
25. So Jesus called the followers together. He said, “You know that the rulers of the non-Jewish people love to show their power over the people. And their important leaders love to use all their authority over the people.
26. But it should not be that way with you. Whoever wants to be your leader must be your servant.
27. Whoever wants to be first must serve the rest of you like a slave.
28. Do as I did: The Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.”

Is politics of this world as practiced by the gentiles?
Do politicians set themselves up as authorities/leaders over the people?
Do politicians use their authority over the people?
Do politicians show off their authority over the people?

LordReed:
So if you are a worker in an office you can not be made head of that office?

Probably not!

Position by appointment: Yes
Position by election: No

Kobojunkie:
Probably not!

Wow, this is interesting. If you don't mind me probing further, so basically you cannot own a business and be a boss? You can't excel in your field and be hailed as an expert? You can't accept promotions to management cadre? If you are a waiter in a restaurant you can't become the manager of the restaurant? I am fascinated, please do answer.

bukatyne:
Position by appointment: Yes
Position by election: No

The difference being?

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe in your churches let alone your denomination or cults.

not that it matters but what do you identify as?

@Kobojunkie from the Bible passage you mentioned, what I understand from it is simply, Jesus counseling His disciples (and us) to be a better leader, make real difference in the life of the people we are leading. That we are not to lead with the same mindset as an unbeliever.
Meanwhile, the main objective of any True, Real Leader must be to serve the people he/she leads. So this Jesus teaching alone, not now to talk about His many other rich and deep teachings position true followers of Jesus Christ as the best set of people to participate in any form of political leadership of any nation. "Let your light shines before men". Politics is one of the avenues to let our light shine so brightly. Jesus came to re-establish the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth! It is God's will for us to reign as kings and queens! We must stop limiting ourselves from taking our rightful position. Not even only in politics, in business, financial systems, educational sector, health sector, agricultural and food sector, media, technology, entertainment, sports and others, we are to lead and be well distinguished representing our Father (the King of kings) excellently.

Kobojunkie:
Who gave you the job of regulating evil doers controlled by satan?

The need to protect life, be it mine or others...my natural instinct to live and protect mine...that's what gave me the job. Maybe you dont mind dying and your family being gruesomely murdered...or your hard earned properties stolen...but i do....i really do.

Ko

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm you tried my friend but Saul's assumption as King of Israel was the second face of Democracy.
Democracy actually started in the garden of Eden! Note how Satan stylishly formatted the idea of God's rulership from the hearts of Adam and Eve, then replacing God's rule with human Governments! Genesis 3:1-5
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil connotes who's right to set standards is it God or man? So their eating of this tree indicates that they want to step in God's shoes {Psalms 82:6} determining what is good and evil independently of God's direction! Jeremiah 10:23

Ever since then mankind has been experiencing hardship due to Nepotism in human government {Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9} human rulers will pamper their own children but demand taxes from orphans and widows {Matthew 17:24-26} what a sharp contrast with God's own system of rule?
He gave His only begotten son to die for sinners so that we might live forever! John 3:16

Surely Mankind's rule (Politics) will never yield anything positive but troubles upon troubles! Revelations 6:3-4

May you have PEACE!

Quite profound and sound an argument.

I've taken note.

Thanks!

God bless you.

LordReed:
Wow, this is interesting. If you don't mind me probing further, so basically you cannot own a business and be a boss? You can't excel in your field and be hailed as an expert? You can't accept promotions to management cadre? If you are a waiter in a restaurant you can't become the manager of the restaurant? I am fascinated, please do answer.

From my research and experience, it seems that is indeed the case, but I am only about 3 years into this journey myself - less than the disciples on the day of Pentecost.

kimco:
not that it matters but what do you identify as?

I am simply a follower of Jesus Christ, obeying His commandments as stipulated.

You're welcome, God bless you too and may you have PEACE!

helicoptarr:

Quite profound and sound an argument.
I've taken note.
Thanks!
God bless you.

kimco:
The need to protect life, be it mine or others...my natural instinct to live and protect mine...that's what gave me the job. Maybe you dont mind dying and your family being gruesomely murdered...or your hard earned properties stolen...but i do....i really do.

Interesting that you speak of your natural instinct to live and protect yours, but ever considered the case of Stephen, in the book of Acts? Stephen had the same natural instincts to live and protect his life too but he chose obedience over that instinct. Why?

You speak of protecting yours and your family, forgetting that Jesus Christ commands you to die to yourself, carry your cross if you want to become worthy of Him.

Matthew 16 vs 24-27
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24. Then Jesus said to his followers, “If any of you want to be my follower, you must stop thinking about yourself and what you want. You must be willing to carry the cross that is given to you for following me.
25. Any of you who try to save the life you have will lose it. But you who give up your life for me will find true life.
26. It is worth nothing for you to have the whole world if you yourself are lost. You could never pay enough to buy back your life.
27. The Son of Man will come again with his Father’s glory and with his angels. And he will reward everyone for what they have done.

As for your loved ones, this is what the same Jesus Christ said.

Matthew 10 vs 34-39
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34. “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace. I came to bring trouble.[h]
35. I have come to make this happen:
‘A son will turn against his father.
A daughter will turn against her mother.
A daughter-in-law will turn against her mother-in-law.
36. Even members of your own family will be your enemies.’
37. “Those who love their father or mother more than they love me are not worthy of me. And those who love their son or daughter more than they love me are not worthy of me.
38. Those who will not accept the cross that is given to them when they follow me are not worthy of me.
39. Those who try to keep the life they have will lose it. But those who give up their life for me will find true life.

Are you certain you are, as you are, worthy of Him?

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm you tried my friend but Saul's assumption as King of Israel was the second face of Democracy.
Democracy actually started in the garden of Eden! Note how Satan stylishly formatted the idea of God's rulership from the hearts of Adam and Eve, then replacing God's rule with human Governments! Genesis 3:1-5
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil connotes who's right to set standards is it God or man? So their eating of this tree indicates that they want to step in God's shoes {Psalms 82:6} determining what is good and evil independently of God's direction! Jeremiah 10:23

Ever since then mankind has been experiencing hardship due to Nepotism in human government {Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9} human rulers will pamper their own children but demand taxes from orphans and widows {Matthew 17:24-26} what a sharp contrast with God's own system of rule?
He gave His only begotten son to die for sinners so that we might live forever! John 3:16

Surely Mankind's rule (Politics) will never yield anything positive but troubles upon troubles! Revelations 6:3-4

May you have PEACE!

Democracy did not start with adam and eve, it was still theocratic. Disobedience is not democracy....I don't even know what you are on about with this twisting...

Also you do know that there is a wonderful place elsewhere aside africa right? There are great places to live where the people are happy. Ofcourse no where is perfect, not even God's kingdom ( inssurection by lucifer comes to mind)

Before adam and even sinned the world was still imperfect....flaws are ways we appreciate the best part of living. Nothing is perfect, not even Yahweh (he/she regretted)

Let's fix what is ours here on earth.

iyasco90:
@Kobojunkie from the Bible passage you mentioned, what I understand from it is simply, Jesus counseling His disciples (and us) to be a better leader, make real difference in the life of the people we are leading. That we are not to lead with the same mindset as an unbeliever.
Meanwhile, the main objective of any True, Real Leader must be to serve the people he/she leads. So this Jesus teaching alone, not now to talk about His many other rich and deep teachings position true followers of Jesus Christ as the best set of people to participate in any form of political leadership of any nation. "Let your light shines before men". Politics is one of the avenues to let our light shine so brightly. Jesus came to re-establish the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth! It is God's will for us to reign as kings and queens! We must stop limiting ourselves from taking our rightful position. Not even only in politics, in business, financial systems, educational sector, health sector, agricultural and food sector, media, technology, entertainment, sports and others, we are to lead and be well distinguished representing our Father (the King of kings) excellently.

Set the theories aside when it comes to the Kingdom of God and answer one question. Have you ever met any leader in your life who exudes the teachings of Jesus Christ in Truth and indeed?
Neither David, nor Solomon, the so-called wisest King, lived up to your standard of a "true, real leader", so what makes you think any man can?

Kobojunkie:
Interesting that you speak of your natural instinct to live and protect yours, but ever considered the case of Stephen, in the book of Acts? Stephen had the same natural instincts to live and protect his life too but he chose obedience over that instinct. Why?

You speak of protecting yours and your family, forgetting that Jesus Christ commands you to die to yourself, carry your cross if you want to become worthy of Him. As for your loved ones, this is what the same Jesus Christ said.

Are you certain you are, as you are, worthy of Him?

So You say now that Jesus doesnt want one to protect his life and that of his family but die like a dog if one wants to be worthy of him?

Sure you didnt read the same bible i read...dont pick quotes out of context...same Jesus preached loving your brother as yourself...who love his brother and is willing to watch them die like dogs? You are wrong....pure and simple.

Kobojunkie:
Set the theories aside when it comes to the Kingdom of God and answer one question. Have you ever met any leader in your life who exudes the teachings of Jesus Christ in Truth and indeed?
Neither David, nor Solomon, the so-called wisest King, lived up to your standard of a "true, real leader", so what makes you think any man can?

Even Jesus was a bit mischievious....dont be slick. You really dont like to listen...i answered this your question but here you are posting it again....

Intentionally being obtuse just to you can be right in your mind only.

kimco:
So You say now that Jesus doesnt want one to protect his life and that of his family but die like a dog if one wants to be worthy of him?

I say? I posted passages for you to read for yourself what Jesus Christ Himself said.

kimco:
Sure you didnt read the same bible i read...dont pick quotes out of context...same Jesus preached loving your brother as yourself...who love his brother and is willing to watch them die like dogs? You are wrong....pure and simple.

I didn't pick quotes... I picked passages out for you to read for yourself what your Jesus Christ Himself said.

Matthew 16 vs 24-27
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24. Then Jesus said to his followers, “If any of you want to be my follower, you must stop thinking about yourself and what you want. You must be willing to carry the cross that is given to you for following me.
25. Any of you who try to save the life you have will lose it. But you who give up your life for me will find true life.
26. It is worth nothing for you to have the whole world if you yourself are lost. You could never pay enough to buy back your life.
27. The Son of Man will come again with his Father’s glory and with his angels. And he will reward everyone for what they have done.

Are you suggesting that you have a special interpretation too for what Jesus Christ is quoted as saying in this passage as well?

kimco:
Even Jesus was a bit mischievious....dont be slick. You really dont like to listen...i answered this your question but here you are posting it again....
Intentionally being obtuse just to you can be right in your mind only.

What are you talking about now?
Jesus Christ was a bit mischievous? In what way?

No

Kobojunkie:
Read what Jesus Christ Himself said in Matthew 20 vs 20 -28.

Is politics of this world as practiced by the gentiles?
Do politicians set themselves up as authorities/leaders over the people?
Do politicians use their authority over the people?
Do politicians show off their authority over the people?

The verse you quoted does not correlate with my question. Is it a sin to go into politics?

thinkmoney:

The evidence is in how Jesus refused to be a king. The evidence is in how he said his kingdom is not part of this word. The evidence is in how he commanded his disciples not to kill by the sword (as a government official, its ur job to execute criminals, its ur job to maintain soldiers and even send them out to kill perceived enemies). Another evidence is in how he confirmed that satan is the ruler of the present system of things.
Now that last point will help me to show you why this seeming change from how some of Gods people took up leadership positions politically, in the old testament:
1. There was in the old testament a nation- Israel, that God took interest in and made example of how a people led and ordered by God should look like. God used this nation too for its greatest mission, which was bringing about the messiah. Now, there isn't such nation of God again(dont let the present nation of israel confuse you. They dont know God or follow his christ). There isn't a physical political entity that needs Gods people to be leaders and guide, but the nation of God is spiritual now and has no physical limiting boundaries. It contains people from every nation of the world. So for example, if you as a suppose born again president of nigeria finds a seemingly logical reason to go to war with Cameroon, you most probably will end up killing many of your spiritual brothers.
2. As Christian's now,we have to show faith through our actions and decisions that like Jeremiah observed,'man cannot direct his steps'. We expect the kingdom under Jesus to come and give a true and beneficial society. We by our not vying for political offices even when we think we have the necessary qualities show faith in Jesus being the only solution to the world's problem. Mind you, there are strong evidences that satan fell to this world only after christ's death and ascension. So his influence over the world now political scenes, is too great to allow any believer stand steadfast. The political system all over is his now (or look for any country in the world that doesn't have policies that are not clearly anti-bible. See america with abortion and gay policies. See the way israel is treating Palestinians). Jesus said we are not part of THIS world.
3. Human now have depreciated further mentally, physically and spiritually. As we are living farther from the time of Eden so is our depreciation getting worse. You has a bible student and learned person will be surprised and even shocked at the general public ideas and style. It was famously said sometime ago that if Jesus was to stand in an election today he wouldn't win. You might think this assessment is going too far, that who wouldn't vote for such person that have such super powers? You just have to remember how majority of israel that witnessed his powers rejected and even went further to kill him, because they feared what he stands for will hurt them physically. That the lifestyle he encourages isn't convenient. Now, would you vote for a leader, that says he will ban cigarettes and weeds? That says he will ensure nobody have sex outside marriage? That says we must not seek revenge against the fulanis that kill us but we must try to win them over over time through love?

Do you realise that this sane government you call govt of Satan was established on the Laws of Moses and God's appointment of David as king?

Now it's obvious in the old testament God selected Kings.
Its also obvious that Jesus could not be king because he knew his purpose was to die for the world.

His apostles could not be kings because they were seen as outcasts.
Even as noble as Paul was, he could only guide the Roman Kings for a while. He was not made a king.

But now that Christians are no longer seen as outcasts, obviously they should be able to help establish God's kingdom in Nigeria as it is in heaven according to the Lord's prayer.

Unless of course you believe even the Lord's prayer is old testament and outdated.

kimco:

Democracy did not start with monarchy, they are two separate things...u just substitute a deity for a human...but the outlook was the same. Democracy is very different. Theocracy, monarch, autocracy......these are all similar except one is supernatural, second is a human representing the deity and the third is a human claiming to be a deity himself/herself.

Well the one and only form of government God intended from inception is THEOCRACY, Satan is the initiator of all other forms of government!
This is the main reason why God has delayed His kingdom up till now, many like you still hope in human government not knowing that Mankind has tried so many forms from Monarchy to Aristocracy and so many others until finally America is now preaching Democracy.
There is no time now but if you study the Bible book of Daniel 2 about Nebuchadnezzar's dream you'll grasp how different forms of government kept falling until mankind now decided to hold unto Democracy. @ Daniel 2:44 we read that during the time of the end people will be changing their rulers and instead of what was prevalent during Nebuchadnezzar's time (Government of the people by one royal family) it will be the people themselves that will choose who will rule over them. But all these are rubbish before God so he will exterminate all of them!

Also you do know that there is a wonderful place elsewhere aside africa right? There are great places to live where the people are happy. Ofcourse no where is perfect, not even God's kingdom ( inssurection by lucifer comes to mind)

There is no place on this planet where people aren't suffering from illnesses, crime, injustice, suffering and death, it's all the same. What we are anticipating now is God's Kingdom where everything will be perfect! Matthew 6:10

Before adam and even sinned the world was still imperfect....flaws are ways we appreciate the best part of living. Nothing is perfect, not even Yahweh (he/she regretted)
Let's fix what is ours here on earth.

It's like you don't know what Adam and Eve enjoyed in Eden. Please let me enlighten you perhaps you can find anything closer to that now!

They have the prospect of living forever as youths in perfect health conditions no sickness will befall them! Isaiah 33:24
They are in control of all other creatures from the greatest to the smallest so they can walk anytime, anywhere and swim in any kind of water without the fear of predators because all the creatures are subjected to man! Isaiah 11:6
They don't have to work hard before eating as the works they'll do is just like exercising their bodies. Psalms 72:16
Their bodies are so perfect that they won't get tired will going around and playing with all kinds of animals. Job 33:25
They are to continue expanding the Paradisiac garden until the earth is filled with people living in everywhere on the surface of this planet.
There is no natural disaster that's coming to hurt them! Psalms 67:6-7
Nobody will grow old, get sick or die! Revelations 21:3-5

Please what do you have to say about such condition if it's not PERFECT?

Adjovi:
The verse you quoted does not correlate with my question. Is it a sin to go into politics?

I didn't quote a verse... i posted a whole passage where Jesus Christ discusses some of what I included in the questions I asked you

Matthew 20 vs 20-28 (ESV)
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20. Then Zebedee’s wife came to Jesus and brought her sons. [/b]She bowed before Jesus and asked him to do something for her.
[b] 21. Jesus said, “What do you want?”
She said, “Promise that one of my sons will sit at your right side in your kingdom and the other at your left.”
22. So Jesus said to the sons, “You don’t understand what you are asking. Can you drink from the cup[a] that I must drink from?”
The sons answered, “Yes, we can!”
23. Jesus said to them, “It is true that you will drink from the cup that I drink from. But it is not for me to say who will sit at my right or my left. My Father has decided who will do that. He has prepared those places for them.”
24. The other ten followers heard this and were angry with the two brothers.
25. So Jesus called the followers together. He said, “You know that the rulers of the non-Jewish people love to show their power over the people. And their important leaders love to use all their authority over the people.
26. But it should not be that way with you. Whoever wants to be your leader must be your servant.
27. Whoever wants to be first must serve the rest of you like a slave.
28. Do as I did: The Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.”

Read again...

Kobojunkie:

Is politics of this world as practiced by the gentiles?
Do politicians set themselves up as authorities/leaders over the people?
Do politicians use their authority over the people?
Do politicians show off their authority over the people?

In His New Covenant, Jesus Christ's Teachings define for us what Sin is. So, the answer to that question would have to come from His commandments/teachings as contained in the above passage.

Myer:


Do you realise that this sane government you call govt of Satan was established on the Laws of Moses and God's appointment of David as king?

Now it's obvious in the old testament God selected Kings.
Its also obvious that Jesus could not be king because he knew his purpose was to die for the world.

His apostles could not be kings because they were seen as outcasts.
Even as noble as Paul was, he could only guide the Roman Kings for a while. He was not made a king.

But now that Christians are no longer seen as outcasts, obviously they should be able to help establish God's kingdom in Nigeria as it is in heaven according to the Lord's prayer.

Unless of course you believe even the Lord's prayer is old testament and outdated.

The lords prayer is a prayer/supplication to God. It can't be helped put in force by we Christian's or it wont be a supplication anymore. The prayer shows faith in only God that's why it asks that he brings about his kingdom. Revelation 22:...says something similar when its says 'amen, come lord Jesus'.
Now, it's a problem if you think that Christian's are not anymore viewed as outcasts. This can only be because many Christians are no longer real Christians. Because real Christians will always as long as this present world lasts, be viewed as outcasts. They can't conform to this world . The world can't be there friends. This is why good Christians will always and fervently entreat God to bring about his government/kingdom. Daniel says in is prophecy that this government will be brought about without 'hand', that is without the input of any person or people Christians or non Christians.
And I say again that you should not deceive yourself by thinking that any modern government was founded on the laws of moses. Its deceit. They are who God refers to as counterfeit Christians. They appear real but they are really anti-christ. Many of this government was founded on blood, decimation of some human population (as america and Australia have done to the original india and aboriginal natives respectively) and slavery.