naijapips04:


and you are basing your statement on? dude I'm heavily disappointed. It's impossible for a virgin to conceive because she doesn't have ovaries or she doesn't have womb?

I am with you on this
Surgeons 2000years ago worked on Virgin Mary hence Jesus.

FatherOfJesus:
So a virgin can give birth without penetration in 2000years ago?

Mary probably had the best surgeon then to do the surgery

At least we are getting somewhere. You now believe that she can at least conceive.

And who put it in your head that surgery must be involved before a woman that has carried her child for 9 months, gives birth? Virgin or not.

SILVERLINES:


I don't know any other God neither on earth or in heaven, under the waters or beneath than the only true God who created heaven and earth. His name is Jehovah and him alone I know.

Ok, worshippers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Invisible Pink Unicorn would disagree.

FatherOfJesus:
I am with you on this
Surgeons 2000years ago worked on Virgin Mary hence Jesus.

You are just a raving lunatic I swear. I thought I was actually engaging a sensible scientist.

Where do you get the idea that a woman, having carried her child for 9 months must give birth via caesarean ? virgin or not?

I've corrected you on many of the facts that you are getting wrong yet you keep wallowing in your ignorance. Honestly it's annoying.

naijapips04:


At least we are getting somewhere. You now believe that she can at least conceive.

And who put it in your head that surgery must be involved before a woman that has carried her child for 9 months, gives birth? Virgin or not.

It’s takes a special kind of idiot to want to prove virgin birth in humans without IVF or Caesarean section

FatherOfJesus:
It’s takes a special kind of idiot to want to prove virgin birth in humans without IVF or Caesarean section

Nna it takes a special kind of stupiid to be you honestly.

Can a woman(virgin or not) conceive without an actual penetration? I'm now believing that you honestly do not know it's possible. You are the kind of student that read one or two things from their textbooks and then go about to disturb everyone about how smart they are.

You can get a woman (virgin or not) pregnant even without penetrating her and I'm not talking of IVF.

And yes a woman, virgin or not that has conceived and carried her child for 9 months can give birth without cesarean section. It's not sex that opens up the Vagina for birthing.

naijapips04:


Nna it takes a special kind of stupiid to be you honestly.

Can a woman(virgin or not) conceive without an actual penetration? I'm now believing that you honestly do not know it's possible. You are the kind of student that read one or two things from their textbooks and then go about to disturb everyone about how smart they are.

You can get a woman (virgin or not) pregnant even without penetrating her and I'm not talking of IVF.

And yes a woman, virgin or not that has conceived and carried her child for 9 months can give birth without cesarean section. It's not sex that opens up the Virginia for birthing.

All these insult because I don’t agree that Mary had IUI, IVF or Caesarean section?

Nawa oo

FatherOfJesus:
All these insult because I don’t agree that Mary had IUI, IVF or Caesarean section?

Nawa oo

I'm only returning the favour bro. I'm not asking you to believe anything. I'm only pointing you your errors in your absolutism.

Yes a virgin can conceive without IVF

Yes a pregnant virgin can give birth without cesarean.

naijapips04:


I'm only returning the favour bro. I'm not asking you to believe anything. I'm only pointing you your errors in your absolutism.

Yes a virgin can conceive without IVF

Yes a pregnant virgin can give birth without cesarean.

Its called whataboutism

And I totally agree that Mary had Jesus via Esuth IUI, IVF or Caesarean section. I want peace to reign

FatherOfJesus:
Its called whataboutism

And I totally agree that Mary had Jesus via Esuth IUI, IVF or Caesarean section. I want peace to reign

Not it's not. Do you even know the meaning of whataboutism or are you saying it because it's a new word you learnt from a textbook?

Can a virgin conceive without penetration? Yes.

Can a pregnant virgin give birth without cesarean? Yes.
Those are the premise of my argument

You are the one bringing Mary into the picture. I'm not saying that's what happened to Mary. I'm only saying that it's scenario that is very possible.

naijapips04:


Not it's not. Do you even know the meaning of whataboutism or are you saying it because it's a new word you learnt from a textbook?

Can a virgin conceive without penetration? Yes.

Can a pregnant virgin give birth without cesarean? Yes.
Those are the premise of my argument

You are the one bringing Mary into the picture. I'm not saying that's what happened to Mary. I'm only saying that it's scenario that is very possible.

which option did Mary explore?
Because you are an idiot who doesn’t understand that we were talking about the case and time if Mary

How does is the case with Mary analogous to what we have now?
Jumps into an argument without understanding the initial premise and then you are now frustrated

FatherOfJesus:
which option did Mary explore?

What do you mean by options? If you come on a woman's Vagina even without penetration, she can take in virgin or not. I think I've brought it down to your level.

FatherOfJesus:
which option did Mary explore?
Because you are an idiot who doesn’t understand that we were talking about the case and time if Mary

You are actually the idiot here. You go about making absolute statements that are based on nothing.

Yes even before IVF, women are able to conceive without actual penetration.

You must be a complete anuofia to say otherwise because all the science supports it.

naijapips04:


What do you mean by options? If you come on a woman's Vagina even without penetration, she can take in virgin or not. I think I've brought it down to your level.

You see problem is that your jumped into the argument without understanding the initial premise, go back to the beginning of the argument before beating your chest like an Ebola infested Gorilla.

The premise was that it would have been impossible at as the time of Mary for a virgin to conceive without penetration because the technology required for Virgin pregnancy was not available. Nobody is arguing with you that virgin pregnancies or birth are impossible today.

You created the topic by yourself and the strted fighting yourself after the strawman fallacy

I tried reenforcing my point via sarcasm but you were to furious to see it

Understanding your opponents point is key so you don’t end making mockery of yourself Lol

FatherOfJesus:
You see problem is that your jumped into the argument without understanding the initial premise, go back to the beginning of the argument before beating your chest like an Ebola infested Gorilla.

The premise was that it would have been impossible at as the time of Mary for a virgin to conceive without penetration because the technology required for Virgin pregnancy was not available. Nobody is arguing with you that virgin pregnancies or birth are impossible today.

You created the topic by yourself and the strted fighting yourself after the strawman fallacy

I tried reenforcing my point via sarcasm but you were to furious to see it

Understanding your opponents point is key so you don’t end making mockery of yourself Lol

Oga there's no technology required for you to come on a virgin's vagina.

Are you really daft?

naijapips04:


Oga there's no technology required for you to come on a virgin's vagina.

Are you really daft?

Good, so which did Mary employ?
The Holy Spirit carefully spray sperm cells on her vulva without having to break the hymen. Lol

FatherOfJesus:
Good, so which did Mary employ?
The Holy Spirit carefully spray sperm cells on her vulva without having to break the hymen. Lol

Awesome. So you finally understand basic biology. What a miracle.

Like I've been saying, I don't know what exactly happened in Mary's case. But as for if it's possible for a Virgin in her supposed time to conceive? of course it is.

naijapips04:


Awesome. So you finally understand basic biology. What a miracle.

Like I've been saying, I don't know what exactly happened in Mary's case. But as for if it's possible for a Virgin in her supposed time to conceive? of course it is.

You are so fun to play with.

LordReed:


Actually it's the other way round, the more we know of the world the less the Bible seems accurate. It is now accepted by mainstream Isreali archaeologists that there is no evidence of the exodus or Hebrew occupation of any portion of Egypt. Also no evidence of any of the people or events from the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve all the way to Moses and the exodus.

Both of what you said were accepted parts of the historical record in the 90s, so doesn't really contradict me.

Since then, it is now accepted that there was heavy Egyptian influnece/control over the Hebrews, that people from Canaan migrated into Egypt during periods of drought, etc.

FatherOfJesus:
So Mary underwent parthenogenesis?

Tell me one known case if parthenogenesis in any mammalian specie?

Religious people and distortion.

Parthenogenesis has been induced in Mammalian species, but it would usually be called cloning when induced. It has been done to sheep.

Anyway, I digress.

naijapips04:

He made you in his own image and likeness. You are not distinct from him. Except you don't believe the bible.

So is a mannequin, robots, mascots etc, they have the image of man and are like man as man their creator made them also.

Yet, none of these creations can know your ways (Like our own Creator told us) neither can they know our heritage, Substance or Our-Story!

So check it how can these things mannequins, robots, mascots which you made compare themselves, by themselves, to you, simply because you gave them some of your capabilities?

Is that proper?

Would you, their creator submit yourself to such an estate, as to enter into your mannequins arena as to be Compared Creator vs. creation?

Shall you be seriously measured by your Toys?

Even Primary School's Interhouse Sport Competition you refuse to run and jump with your little fellow creation saying "it is degrading na, they are not my mates".

Is it now the thing you created that will do "Job or Visa Interview" on you?

naijapips04:

Whataboutism is you saying because man can create a phone and torch, therefore man should be a creation. In that sense, the creator of man should have a creator and so on.

I am confined to the things Seen in this World and Seen in this Environment and not things that Can Not Be Seen.

But we have Already Seen, that IN THIS WORLD AND FOR THIS WORLD, NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING CREATES ITSELF! And All things are Created by A Person Who is Different from the things created!

LordReed:


Actually it's the other way round, the more we know of the world the less the Bible seems accurate. It is now accepted by mainstream Isreali archaeologists that there is no evidence of the exodus or Hebrew occupation of any portion of Egypt. Also no evidence of any of the people or events from the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve all the way to Moses and the exodus.

I think the best way to defend the Bible is to accuse people of neither reading nor understanding it.
Then, deny that you defended it.
Budaatum should get an award for such acts though they are worse than acts of terrorism.

Pecuman:


Both of what you said were accepted parts of the historical record in the 90s, so doesn't really contradict me.

Since then, it is now accepted that there was heavy Egyptian influnece/control over the Hebrews, that people from Canaan migrated into Egypt during periods of drought, etc.

Yes so Egypt was dominant over Canaan and there was no significant population of Hebrews in Egypt, a total contradiction of what the bible states. Unless you want to read the bible as hyperbolic tales.

LordReed:


Yes so Egypt was dominant over Canaan and there was no significant population of Hebrews in Egypt, a total contradiction of what the bible states. Unless you want to read the bible as hyperbolic tales.

Some stuff are hyperbolic, but nothing to that extent.

I'll wait a bit and see how the archeology develops.

Like for recent we have just found evidence of Camel domestication in all places surrounding the levant, unending another 1900s historical analysis.

Also, given how ethnicities are defined in modern day, Hebrews didn't exist until the 12 tribes period.

Pecuman:


Some stuff are hyperbolic, but nothing to that extent.

I'll wait a bit and see how the archeology develops.

Like for recent we have just found evidence of Camel domestication in all places surrounding the levant, unending another 1900s historical analysis.

Also, given how ethnicities are defined in modern day, Hebrews didn't exist until the 12 tribes period.

What is to be gleaned from a mix of half truths, hyperbolic tales, allegories and truths? Is that not a formula for confusion?

Dtruthspeaker:


So is a mannequin, robots, mascots etc, they have the image of man and are like man as man their creator made them also.

Yet, none of these creations can know your ways (Like our own Creator told us) neither can they know our heritage, Substance or Our-Story!

So check it how can these things mannequins, robots, mascots which you made compare themselves, by themselves, to you, simply because you gave them some of your capabilities?

Is that proper?

Would you, their creator submit yourself to such an estate, as to enter into your mannequins arena as to be Compared Creator vs. creation?

Shall you be seriously measured by your Toys?

Even Primary School's Interhouse Sport Competition you refuse to run and jump with your little fellow creation saying "it is degrading na, they are not my mates".

Is it now the thing you created that will do "Job or Visa Interview" on you?



I am confined to the things Seen in this World and Seen in this Environment and not things that Can Not Be Seen.

But we have Already Seen, that IN THIS WORLD AND FOR THIS WORLD, NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING CREATES ITSELF! And All things are Created by A Person Who is Different from the things created!

So who/what created your God.

naijapips04:


So who/what created your God.

Even on this world we do not ask our bosses or even you here in nairaland, "Where do you come from, who born you, and all those things, it is agreed that it is "Offensive", Rude and Disrespectful.

So everyone (who has sense anyway) stay in their places and do their jobs.

So also I will not go outside this world or anywhere else, to break into my God's House (as if I know where E dey) to come back and tell you this is what I found. No never.

You wey need the info, you sef get head, hand and leg use am make you go get the answer for yourself, I set alright for where I dey!

And this is just the first answer!

Answer No 2 is, you wicked oh, how you go ask mannequin like you say "Who create, our Creator?

How I wan take know? I dey there? No be me and you commot from the same factory?

Bros, you wickedu!

Dtruthspeaker:


Even on this world we do not ask our bosses or even you here in nairaland, "Where do you come from, who born you, and all those things, it is agreed that it is "Offensive", Rude and Disrespectful.

So everyone (who has sense anyway) stay in their places and do their jobs.

So also I will not go outside this world or anywhere else, to break into my God's House (as if I know where E dey) to come back and tell you this is what I found. No never.

You wey need the info, you sef get head, hand and leg use am make you go get the answer for yourself, I set alright for where I dey!

And this is just the first answer!

Answer No 2 is, you wicked oh, how you go ask mannequin like you say "Who create, our Creator?

How I wan take know? I dey there? No be me and you commot from the same factory?

Bros, you wickedu!

You are just capping nonsense. If your mannequin is able to reason that it was created, of course the next logical questions will be, who created my creator since according to you everything would have to be created.

If I follow your analogy, the creating will never end which is what makes your argument totally incompressible.

FatherOfJesus:
Just provide evidence please.
I’m tired of the back of forth because of your inability to substantiate anything with evidence

If your disbelief in God is based on 'Marsupials thriving in Australia'. That would be sad
I think you're more interested in fruitless argument . Enjoy it.
While you're at it
There are approximately 340 marsupial species in the world, in 7 orders and 19 families.
Though Marsupial is typical of Australia, but two third of them are in America with the rest littered around the globe.
One of the search engine could have saved you of this embarrassment.
Like I said, enjoy yourself!

naijapips04:

You are just capping nonsense. If your mannequin is able to reason that it was created, of course the next logical questions will be, who created my creator since according to you everything would have to be created.

Yes, logical by reasoning standards But, By Natural Living and Relationship Standards, Should it be done?

I believe you know the Truest Answer here!

naijapips04:

If I follow your analogy, the creating will never end which is what makes your argument totally incompressible.

Never Said So, I Said going by What we have Seen in this World

I am not going far outside into a world I do not know Nor The Laws that operate there.

It is this world I know and The Laws in operation here!

FatherOfJesus:
What point are you trying to make?

What point do you understand that I made?

budaatum:


What point do you understand that I made?

Just go ahead and accuse him of not understanding English!!!!
That's your talent.