compton11:

.........
then show me one Arabic Quran that is different from another one.
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There is one one Arabic version
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Did you say "There is one Arabic version"? Really?

As usual, denial the reality. Did you miss this thread?:
https://www.nairaland.com/6445222/different-arabic-versions-quran

Or is it the usual case of Moslems lying with a straight face?
Are you saying that you have never heard of Hafs Koran, Warsh Koran, al-Duri, Qalum, Khalaf and over 30 more - ALL IN ARABIC!

And there are differences between them!
If you want to deny this then see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNj1z0t_c_M

In the case of the Bible there is only ONE in the original languages. The ones you referred to are TRANSLATIONS into the English language. But here we are talking about the Koran in the same Arabic but have DIFFERENCES that change the meanings in several instances.

So, if you still don't agree show that Hafs is in every respect - word for word, letter for letter, like you guys have been spoon fed with - the same as Warsh for instance.

Anybody can believe anything 100%. Some believe, against all scientific evidence, that the earth is flat. But that belief does not change the REALITY.

Btw, the Koran is supposed to be RECITATIONS, isn't it? So, Mohamed may well have been reciting it during his time BUT no BOUND copy existed unless you disagree with your Islamic history and sources. Or perhaps you modern day Moslems are trying to rewrite your Islamic history.

What did Abu Bakr do when he was confronted with concerns about the Koran? Did he say lets look for copies or did he then begin the compilation from different sources? If it was already existing why do a fresh compilation?

Uthman even had his own REVISED VERSION after which he DESTROYED every other copy. Have you ever wondered why he should destroy other copies if they contained the same thing? Abu Bakr's copy?

Btw, no one accused Uthman of destroying Koran but Moslems today are quick to slaughter anyone they claim has desecrated the Koran.

And even Uthman's copy CANNOT be found today. All today's copies are those written well after Uthman. For example, do you know when Hafs produced his Koran?

These may be hard FACTS for you to accept because you have been fed with the PROPAGANDA that there is only one Koran.

sagenaija:

Did you say "There is one Arabic version"? Really?

As usual, denial the reality. Did you miss this thread?:
https://www.nairaland.com/6445222/different-arabic-versions-quran

are u saying u know more than me?

CIRA international


friends with David wood amd sam shoumoun.

Pastor Al fadi and Jay Smith

Well Jay Smith has already claimed they used to disguise as Muslims in Muslims community in other to convert them to Christianity


Typical Christians tactic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3gPpl-ixPU

They have been exposed many time including your GJO MOSHAY that nobody know who is him



Kindly show me a picture of the same Quranic verses that there Arabic text is not the same.


And those are not versions Mr man,calling it versions means it has different meanings

The question I asked about the Bible versions that are different,u skip the question,i will ask u again


New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years

1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


Holman Christian Standard Bible
Saul was 30 years old when he became king, and he reigned 42 years over Israel.1 Samuel 13:1

This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:



Or is it the usual case of Moslems lying with a straight face?
Are you saying that you have never heard of Hafs Koran, Warsh Koran, al-Duri, Qalum, Khalaf and over 30 more - ALL IN ARABIC!

and I would like u to show me how those Quran Arabic text are different .

sagenaija:


And there are differences between them!
If you want to deny this then see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNj1z0t_c_M

they are of the same Arabic text,m just show me the difference.

YouTube by non Muslims,wow?

This nigga has been exposed many time.

Tell your pastors Al fadi to show us those Quran in real life and not your edited YouTube.

Pastor Al fadi

This is one of his exposed video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaPF47X0Evs

sagenaija:


In the case of the Bible there is only ONE in the original languages.

and where is it?



The ones you referred to are TRANSLATIONS into the English language.[/quote] isn't the translation y'all using in your church?
Or is not the one u are using to collect titles?
How come all translations have clearly different meaning?

For example

Matthew 6:12 - is debt and sin the same?

sagenaija:


But here we are talking about the Koran in the same Arabic but have DIFFERENCES that change the meanings in several instances. .

im still waiting for the difference.

sagenaija:



So, if you still don't agree show that Hafs is in every respect - word for word, letter for letter, like you guys have been spoon fed with - the same as Warsh for instance. .

Ok
I'm still waiting for it

sagenaija:


Anybody can believe anything 100%. Some believe, against all scientific evidence, that the earth is flat. But that belief does not change the REALITY. .

Ok,u believe all bible 100℅ right?

sagenaija:

Btw, the Koran is supposed to be RECITATIONS, isn't it? So, Mohamed may well have been reciting it during his time BUT no BOUND copy existed unless you disagree with your Islamic history and sources. Or perhaps you modern day Moslems are trying to rewrite your Islamic history. .

During the 23 years of prophet Muhammad's time as a prophet, the verses of the Quran were memorized as they were revealed, and about 42 scribes wrote the verses on different materials such as paper, cloth, bone fragments and leather.




The one that doesn't know his Bible history want to teach me Islamic history.

Let assume all Bible were burn today,how are Christians going to write another when they don't memorise it?

sagenaija:


What did Abu Bakr do when he was confronted with concerns about the Koran? Did he say lets look for copies or did he then begin the compilation from different sources? If it was already existing why do a fresh compilation? .

During the time of Caliph Abu Bakr, when 70 people who knew the Quran by heart (qari), were killed in the Battle of Yamama, Umar ibn al-Khattab became concerned and appealed to Abu Bakr in order to compile the Quran into a book.

Abu Bakr formed a delegation under the leadership of Zaid ibn Thabit, one of the leading scribes.

This delegation of 12 people, including famous figures such as Uthman ibn Affan, Ali ibn Abi Talib, Talha ibn Ubaydullah, Abdullah ibn Masood, Ubayy ibn Kab, Khalid ibn al-Walid, Hudhaifah and Saleem, came together in Umar's house and collected all the materials on which verses from the Quran were written.

In addition, the verses memorized by the companions were heard as well. Each of them was asked to show two witnesses for the verse they read.

Tell us the history of how Bible was written.

sagenaija:


Uthman even had his own REVISED VERSION after which he DESTROYED every other copy. Have you ever wondered why he should destroy other copies if they contained the same thing? Abu Bakr's copy?.

u know why uthman burnt all the Quran.

Between 650 and 656 the third Caliph Uthman ibn Affan caused the text of the Qur'an (Koran) to be codified. He placed Zayd ibn Thabit (Zaid Ibn Thabit), the personal scribe of Prophet Muhammad, in charge of the project. Identifical copies were sent to every Muslim province to be used as the standard text from which all copies of the Qur'an were made.

"During the time of Uthman, by which time Islam had spread far and wide, differences in reading the Quran in different dialects of Arabic language became obvious. A group of companions, headed by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman, who was then stationed in Iraq, came to Uthman and urged him to 'save the Muslim ummah before they differ about the Quran' . Uthman obtained the complete manuscript of the Qur'an from Hafsah, one of the wives of the Islamic prophet Muhammad who had been entrusted to keep the manuscript ever since the Qur'an was comprehensively compiled by the first Caliph, Abu Bakr. Uthman then again summoned the leading compiling authority, Zayd ibn Thabit, and some other companions to make copies of the manuscript. Zayd was put in charge of the task. The style of Arabic dialect used was that of the Quraysh tribe to which the Prophet Muhammad belonged. Hence this style was emphasized over all others.

"Zayd and his assistants produced several copies of the manuscript of the Qur'an. One of each was sent to every Muslim province with the order that all other Quranic materials, whether fragmentary or complete copies, be destroyed. As such, when the standard copies were made widely available to the Muslim community everywhere, then all other material was burnt voluntarily by the Muslim community themselves. The annihilation of these extra-Qur'anic documents remained essential in order to eradicate scriptural incongruities, contradictions of consequence or differences in the dialect from the customary text of the Qur'an. The Caliph Uthman kept a copy for himself and returned the original manuscript to Hafsah"

sagenaija:


Btw, no one accused Uthman of destroying Koran but Moslems today are quick to slaughter anyone they claim has desecrated the Koran..

Why would a sane non Muslim burn the book of other faiths?

And Quran can be burn in clean place or buried if it is old.

sagenaija:


And even Uthman's copy CANNOT be found today. All today's copies are those written well after Uthman. For example, do you know when Hafs produced his Koran?.

it is uthman copy we are using nowadays bro it is uthman copy,it is the one that was compiled during his reign.

sagenaija:



These may be hard FACTS for you to accept because you have been fed with the PROPAGANDA that there is only one Koran.

hmmmm

Mr man worry about different bible versions with different meanings

And
Where can we see the original Bible of yours?

compton11:
what a pathetic shiit!
So it is parable when it involves violence but it is not parable when it is about love?

Parables indeed

Luke 22:35-36

35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”

“Nothing,” they answered.

36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.



Luke 12:51

New International Version
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.


Why did Jesus cursed fig tree?



then how come that verse is different from this?
Psalm 75:7
But God is the Judge;
He puts down one and exalts another


James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?

Isaiah 3:13
The Lord arises to contend,
And stands to judge the people.



2 Peter 2:4

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;


So how can Jesus said the father judge not,with all these verse?


he who reject him among the isrealite he was sent to during his time is doom.




The same Matthew said this

Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel


This verse tell us he and his disciples would be judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
So which one are we going to believe?

Nigga,

If I may ask as you didn't believe what i posted here, now, how many people did Jesus kill in your quran and how many did he kill in the bible? Even hso disciples never killed one person but they lay down their lives for gospel of christ. Uptil now, Christians are still laying down their lives for the christ sake. Remember the redeemed Christian woman that was also killed in Abuja while preaching?
Abeg, If you can't give me a reply, then you should bow out. In fact you guys should be ashamed if your son called religion. Now see what is going on in Mozambique as well now, Islamic terrorists has taking over the norther part as well, killing children, men and women. Go and read their ordeal online. Abeg nigga, yih know get mouth oo

But mohammed killed and shed blood, likewise his own followers and till today, they are still killing and shedding blood. They even advanced into suicide bombing. that's clear, and the difference is clear. "by their fruits, ye shall know them.

haekymbahd:
Now you are talking.. Do you think all muslims are terrorist you are using a few group to categorise all muslims. The people that you see see killing are not true muslims because Allah is against the act...

Allah SWT said:

"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly."
(QS. Al-Mumtahana 60: Verse


"Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers."
(QS. Al-Mumtahana 60: Verse 9)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


I don't have enough time to give a rebuttal to all your post up there but the mistake you made was cherry picking verses of the Quran but I will help with the first verse you quoted Quran 9:5

it shows that treaty was made with the polytheist but they broke the oath and attack the the muslims that was why Allah said muslims should fight back..



Allah SWT said:

"Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 13)

"Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people"
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 14)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Terrorist such as Boko haram have no genuine reason from the Quran to kill anyone unjustly Allah is against it hence they are not true muslims..


Hope you have also read the verse where (Jesus) told moses to kill babies...

You are of Satan.Was Jesus in the world when Moses was on Earth? Jesus never approved violence at any time,but your pedophile prophet Mohammed raping 6 years was a bloody man and his Moslem followers.Hindu,Budist, Traditionalist, Christians and Jews are not violent,only your cursed religion.Chrisrianity brought technology e.g Planes,cars,Internet , satellites, submarines,sky scrappers,phones,TV,radio etc.Your terrorist religion brought woes, terrorism,death and pedophiles around d world.Useless dirty people.

peteregwu:




Nigga,



If I may ask as you didn't believe what i posted here, now, how many people did Jesus kill in your quran and how many did he kill in the bible? Even hso disciples never killed one person but they lay down their lives for gospel of christ. Uptil now, Christians are still laying down their lives for the christ sake. .

Then tell me the meaning of luke 19:27
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

And Don't act like Christians love peace

Columbus,pope innocent III,vikings,crusaders,leopald and so on did many actrocities in the name of Christ.

peteregwu:

Remember the redeemed Christian woman that was also killed in Abuja while preaching? .

Your evidence that he was killed by Muslims?

What is your evidence?
A Muslims that Believe in Allah and the last day would never killed a non Muslim that didn't do anything.

whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.”
QURAN 5:32

O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.”
Qur'an 5:8

peteregwu:

Abeg, If you can't give me a reply, then you should bow out. In fact you guys should be ashamed if your son called religion..

as far as u are writing and I'm still alive,i would be giving u reply.

peteregwu:


Now see what is going on in Mozambique as well now, Islamic terrorists has taking over the norther part as well, killing children, men and women. Go and read their ordeal online. Abeg nigga, yih know get mouth oo .

This is same u are talking about are killing more Muslims than Christians especially in the north east.

It is political and those who are wiring them guns are non Muslims from overseas trying to do business too.

peteregwu:


But mohammed killed and shed blood, likewise his own followers and till today, they are still killing and shedding blood. They even advanced into suicide bombing. that's clear, and the difference is clear. "by their fruits, ye shall know them.

Prophet Muhammed personally never once shed blood with his own hands in his life.

And all the war the muslims fought during his time was self defense
And why would a sane person killed himself with bombs?
He who do that is destined to hell

O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful QURAN 29:30.

Thabit Ibn Al-Dahak narrated that the Prophet [peace and blessings be upon him] said, “Whosoever kills himself with anything in this world will be tortured with it on the Day of Judgment.

Even if Jesus and his followers saw prosecution during his time ,God would have commanded him to fight too just as he commanded Joshua,david,moses and so on.
And also how can u know Jesus never killed?
The man u don't know his history from 3 years old to 29 years

zimmaking:
You are of Satan.Was Jesus in the world when Moses was on Earth?

Jesus said "Before Abraham was I am" also " in the beginning was the word and the word was God" Jesus was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob according to you Christians so Jesus is part of the Godhead who commanded the atrocities in the old testament before trying to repent from his evil ways

zimmaking:

Jesus never approved violence at any time,but your pedophile prophet Mohammed raping 6 years was a bloody man and his Moslem followers.

Jesus is Lord Numbers 31 vs 18 show Jesus supported rape of young girls who have not known man (6 years)

Numbers 31

1THE LORD said to Moses,

2Avenge the Israelites on the Midianites; afterward you shall be gathered to your [departed] people.

3And Moses said to the people, Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian and execute the Lord's vengeance on Midian [for seducing Israel].(A)

4From each of the tribes of Israel you shall send 1,000 to the war.

5So there were provided out of the thousands of Israel 1,000 from each tribe, 12,000 armed for war.

6And Moses sent them to the war, 1,000 from each tribe, together with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, with the [sacred] vessels of the sanctuary and the trumpets to blow the alarm in his hand.

7They fought with Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and slew every male,

8Including the five kings of Midian: Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba; also Balaam son of Beor they slew with the sword.(B)

9And the Israelites took captive the women of Midian and their little ones, and all their cattle, their flocks, and their goods as booty.

10They burned all the cities in which they dwelt, and all their encampments.

11And they took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast.

12Then they brought the captives, the prey, and the spoil to Moses and Eleazar the priest and to the congregation of the Israelites at the camp on the plains of Moab by Jordan at Jericho.

13Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the princes or leaders of the congregation went to meet them outside the camp.

14But Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and of hundreds, who served in the war.

15And Moses said to them, Have you let all the women live?

16Behold, these caused the Israelites by the counsel of Balaam to trespass and act treacherously against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and so a [smiting] plague came among the congregation of the Lord.(C)

17Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who is not a virgin.

18But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.

zimmaking:

Hindu,Budist, Traditionalist, Christians and Jews are not violent,only your cursed religion.Chrisrianity brought technology e.g Planes,cars,Internet , satellites, submarines,sky scrappers,phones,TV,radio etc.Your terrorist religion brought woes, terrorism,death and pedophiles around d world.Useless dirty people.

A lot of scientific research had been made on the Quran and it was to found to be correct so the Quran serves as basis for subsequent scientific research on its own..

I wonder if the story book called bible has anything useful to the scientific world..

compton11:

are u saying u know more than me?
........
During the 23 years of prophet Muhammad's time as a prophet, the verses of the Quran were memorized as they were revealed, and about 42 scribes wrote the verses on different materials such as paper, cloth, bone fragments and leather.
.........
During the time of Caliph Abu Bakr, when 70 people who knew the Quran by heart (qari), were killed in the Battle of Yamama, Umar ibn al-Khattab became concerned and appealed to Abu Bakr in order to compile the Quran into a book.
...........
"During the time of Uthman, by which time Islam had spread far and wide, differences in reading the Quran in different dialects of Arabic language became obvious.

.........
And Quran can be burn in clean place or buried if it is old.

I gave you links to where differences in the Koran versions were dealt with. If you did not refer to them it simply means that you don't want clarity but just to keep on arguing. At the end of the day you want to shout 'I refuted you!', 'You didn't provide any proof!'

Read the thread and watch the clip provided then bring out anything from them that is wrong and we will deal with it. Debating is about providing FACTS not attacking people.

The Islamic librarian Abi Yaqub Nadim in 377 AH ( 987 AD) compiled 7 books by early Moslems about discrepancies of the Koranic manuscripts. So, its been known as far back as then that there are issues with the Koranic manuscripts. Its not just a 21st century matter.

Again, you can believe anything you want to believe. Just be sure that you are honest with yourself about it, having examined FACTS about the issue.

Here is Christian Prince on the issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBXXCKB6uLM

Hadith: Ubayy ibn Ka'b feel doubt because of ahruf
https://sunnah.com/muslim/6/332

Hadith: Muhammad forgot verses and surah
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/66/62

Hadith: Muhammad cut the hands and feet and gouge the eyes of thieves:
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/56/227

Hadith: a thief who steals an egg or a rope, his hand is to be cut off.
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/86/29

The plain truth is that:
1. No early manuscripts of the Koran dating before those written hundreds of years after Mohamed exist today.
2. The various Arabic versions of the Koran have differences some of which change the meanings significantly.
3. The Koran has not been 'Perfectly Preserved' as modern day Moslems have brainwashed themselves to believe.

compton11:


Then tell me the meaning of luke 19:27
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

And Don't act like Christians love peace

Columbus,pope innocent III,vikings,crusaders,leopald and so on did many actrocities in the name of Christ.

Your evidence that he was killed by Muslims?

What is your evidence?
A Muslims that Believe in Allah and the last day would never killed a non Muslim that didn't do anything.

whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.”
QURAN 5:32

O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.”
Qur'an 5:8



as far as u are writing and I'm still alive,i would be giving u reply.



This is same u are talking about are killing more Muslims than Christians especially in the north east.

It is political and those who are wiring them guns are non Muslims from overseas trying to do business too.

Prophet Muhammed personally never once shed blood with his own hands in his life.

And all the war the muslims fought during his time was self defense
And why would a sane person killed himself with bombs?
He who do that is destined to hell

O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful QURAN 29:30.

Thabit Ibn Al-Dahak narrated that the Prophet [peace and blessings be upon him] said, “Whosoever kills himself with anything in this world will be tortured with it on the Day of Judgment.

Even if Jesus and his followers saw prosecution during his time ,God would have commanded him to fight too just as he commanded Joshua,david,moses and so on.
And also how can u know Jesus never killed?
The man u don't know his history from 3 years old to 29 years

Nigga,

You are still talking.

sagenaija:

I gave you links to where differences in the Koran versions were dealt with. If you did not refer to them it simply means that you don't want clarity but just to keep on arguing. At the end of the day you want to shout 'I refuted you!', 'You didn't provide any proof!'

bro the links u gave, I doubted u even watch it.

I keep telling u to Show the me same verses of Quran that are different in another another copy of Quran.

U are rely your evidence on that nigga called Al fadi and Jay Smith?
The pathetic thing about this fadi is that,whenever he is exposed on his Facebook page,he will blocked u immediately,he called himself Islamic scholar and doesn't know that( آلبريّة) and (ٱلبريئة)are the same text with different writing method,that is one of the things he showed u and u saying Quran have different version,he eventually corrected his lies after he was exposed.
This is who Jay Smith relied on in translating Arabic,so pathetic.

sagenaija:

Read the thread and watch the clip provided then bring out anything from them that is wrong and we will deal with it. Debating is about providing FACTS not attacking people. '

I never attack u bro

sagenaija:

The Islamic librarian Abi Yaqub Nadim in 377 AH ( 987 AD) compiled 7 books by early Moslems about discrepancies of the Koranic manuscripts. So, its been known as far back as then that there are issues with the Koranic manuscripts. Its not just a 21st century matter.

bro no evidence for this bro or u have evidence for It?

sagenaija:

Again, you can believe anything you want to believe. Just be sure that you are honest with yourself about it, having examined FACTS about the issue.

it is that is not honest bro,i keep asking u this question and u haven't answer it,why skipping it?

New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years

1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1

This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:

Here is Christian Prince on the issue:
https://youtu.be/WBXXCKB6uLMr.

bro u don't even watch it,u just copy and paste it and the pathetic thing is that,all the links above it are from this YouTube links.
So pastor Al fadi is not reliable again,it is not Christian prince?
Show me where he said all Quran versions are different.

sagenaija:

Hadith: Ubayy ibn Ka'b feel doubt because of ahruf
https://sunnah.com/muslim/6/332

some of his links under his video.

This hadith talked about recitation of al Quran,so how is people reciting ALQURAN differently make Al Quran to be different?
Is just like how we Yoruba are reciting in our own dialect is different from those of Hausas and we are ready the same thing.
Try again bro.[b][/b]

sagenaija:

Hadith: Muhammad forgot verses and surah
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/66/62

It is even not prophet Muhammed(saw)it was his wife Aisha(rtd)
This is the hadith

Narrated Aisha:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget.
So tell me how this related to Quran that is different?
She has already memorised the part and she forget it,so what is the matter?
If u have memorised one particular verse of Bible and u forget,does that means that particular verses have been changed in the written book?

sagenaija:

Hadith: Muhammad cut the hands and feet and gouge the eyes of thieves:
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/56/227

so from different Version of Quran to this?

The fact that those people killed a shepherd that gave them drinks and drive away his camels,they is why they deserve death penalty.
But cutting hand and gouging their eyes out is nothing but weak narration against him, when they have already been killed,why cutting and gouging their eyes out?
Vast majority of Muslims dont believe it,hadith is like bible,collecting it from different people and any hadith that contradicti Al Quran is fake.
Bro try again.

Allah never used anything to describe the prophet than his piety and going behavior
Allah said
Indeed in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and (who) remembers Allah often.”

(Surat al-Ahzab, 33:21)

Bro,did u believe prophet Elisha also did this?

2 Kings 2:23-25

23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered(A) at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!”
24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
25 And he went on to Mount Carmel(D) and from there returned to Samaria.

The prophets of God are not known for wickedness.

sagenaija:

Hadith: a thief who steals an egg or a rope, his hand is to be cut off.
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/86/29

bro u will tell me where rope and egg were mentioned in this hadith
Narrated `Aisha:

The Prophet (ﷺ) cut off the hand of a lady, and that lady used to come to me, and I used to convey her message to the Prophet (ﷺ) and she repented, and her repentance was sincere.
Who was the lady?
Her name was Fatima bint Al-Aswad
What was her crime
According to Aisha, she used to borrow items and then deny that she had them.[10] Another tradition describes the stolen items as “jewellery”.In a third version, she went out in the night and, having met a camp of travellers, she took one of their bags. But she was caught red-handed, and the travellers seized her and tied her up.
In the morning, she was brought before Muhammad.He decreed that her hand should be cut off.

The rich Quraysh OGs became very worried about her,and looked for an intercessor to mitigate the penalty. More than one person interceded with prophet Muhammad for her.Fatima's relatives felt that the only person who would dare to approach Prophet Muhammad, and the only one likely to have any influence over him, was his adopted grandson, Usama ibn Zayd, who was high in his favour.The family spoke to Usama, who in his turn approached Muhammad.

Usama spoke on Fatima's behalf, but prophet Muhammad's face changed colour, and he asked him: “Are you interceding to violate one of Allah’s laws?
Usama, do not speak to me. When the hudud are violated, there is no alternative. If my own daughter had stolen, I would have cut off her hand.” Usama replied, “Messenger of Allah, seek forgiveness for me!

Whether u are rich or poor and u committed crime deliberately,u would be punished.

After that punishment she used to visit prophet wife .
Aisha asserted that Fatima “truly repented”. When she was in need, she would visit Aisha, who used to pass on her requests to prophet Muhammad.

Fatima was married in prophet Muhammad's lifetime. Her kunya Umm Amr indicates that she had a son named Amr.

Whatever she stole wasn't small things,because in islam for your hand to be cut in Sharia countries for theft,what I stole must worth something,because the Prophet(saw) said
A'isha reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The hand of a thief should not be cut off but for a quarter of a dinar and upwards.

That half quarter gold dinar worth over 100,000 naira right now.

And Quran brought the punishment for stealing
And (as for) the male thief and the female thief, cut off (from the wrist joint) their (right) hands as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allaah. And Allaah is All Powerful, All Wise” [al-Maa’idah 5:38]

Now there are conditions for theif for his/her hand not to be be cut if he/she stole.

1-The stolen property should be something of worth, because that which is of no worth has no sanctity, such as musical instruments, wine and pigs.

2-The value of the stolen property should be above a certain limit, which is three Islamic dirhams or a quarter of an Islamic dinar, or their equivalent in other currencies.

3-The stolen property should have been taken from a place where it had been put away, i.e., a place where people usually put their property, such as a cupboard, for example.

4-The theft itself has to be proven, either by the testimony of two qualified witnesses or by the confession of the thief twice.

5-The person from whom the property was stolen has to ask for it back; if he does not, then (the thief’s) hand does not have to be cut off.

6.if the theif is madman or not adult,no cutting of hands.

7.if the theif didn't do it deliberatly,he did it be need maybe his wife or child is in serious condition and he still for them to be cure,no cutting hand.

8.if the theif stole in term of famine or hunger ,no cutting of hands.
And so on


Bro Islam is religion of knowledge not just John 3:16 and tithles.

Now let see cutting of hands in bible

Jesus said
If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.-Matthew 5:30

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Wallahi this is funny

From David the man of God
2 Samuel 4:9-12

David answered Rekab and his brother Baanah, the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, “As surely as the Lord lives, who has delivered(A) me out of every trouble, 10 when someone told me, ‘Saul is dead,’ and thought he was bringing good news, I seized him and put him to death in Ziklag.(B) That was the reward I gave him for his news!
How much more—when wicked men have killed an innocent man in his own house and on his own bed—should I not now demand his blood(C) from your hand and rid the earth of you!”

So David gave an order to his men, and they killed them.(D) They cut off their hands and feet and hung the bodies by the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ish-Bosheth and buried it in Abner’s tomb at Hebron.

sagenaija:

The plain truth is that:
1. No early manuscripts of the Koran dating before those written hundreds of years after Mohamed exist today.

like which one

Uthman copy is what we are using today and I have already told u why usman burnt all the copies of all Quran.

sagenaija:


2. The various Arabic versions of the Koran have differences some of which change the meanings significantly.

and I have been telling u to show,dont just be pasting links that u also dont research on it to me.

sagenaija:

3. The Koran has not been 'Perfectly Preserved' as modern day Moslems have brainwashed themselves to believe.

Allah perfectly preserved it unlike Bible.

Mr man,where is the original Bible u talked about?

peteregwu:



Nigga,

You are still talking.

niggaaaa!

I say explain this verse to me

luke 19:27

Jesus said


But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

#

peteregwu:


Nigga,

If I may ask as you didn't believe what i posted here, now, how many people did Jesus kill in your quran and how many did he kill in the bible? Even hso disciples never killed one person but they lay down their lives for gospel of christ. Uptil now, Christians are still laying down their lives for the christ sake. Remember the redeemed Christian woman that was also killed in Abuja while preaching?
Abeg, If you can't give me a reply, then you should bow out. In fact you guys should be ashamed if your son called religion. Now see what is going on in Mozambique as well now, Islamic terrorists has taking over the norther part as well, killing children, men and women. Go and read their ordeal online. Abeg nigga, yih know get mouth oo

But mohammed killed and shed blood, likewise his own followers and till today, they are still killing and shedding blood. They even advanced into suicide bombing. that's clear, and the difference is clear. "by their fruits, ye shall know them.

You are quite ignorant of your Gods childhood from age 1 - 29.. If you know about it you won't be asking if Jesus killed someone with is own hand


According to infant gospel of thomas

The text describes the life of the child Jesus from the age of five to age twelve,[9] with fanciful, and sometimes malevolent, supernatural events. He is presented as a precocious child who starts his education early.[9] The stories cover how the young Incarnation of God matures and learns to use his powers for good and how those around him first respond in fear and later with admiration.[2] One of the episodes involves Jesus making clay birds, which he then proceeds to bring to life, an act also attributed to Jesus in Quran 5:110,[10] and in a medieval work known as Toledot Yeshu, although Jesus's age at the time of the event is not specified in either account. In another episode, a child disperses water that Jesus has collected. Jesus kills this first child, when at age one he curses a boy, which causes the child's body to wither into a corpse. Later, Jesus kills another child via curse when the child apparently accidentally bumps into Jesus, throws a stone at Jesus, or punches Jesus (depending on the translation).

@compton11 @zimmaking

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haekymbahd:
You are quite ignorant of your Gods childhood from age 1 - 29.. If you know about it you won't be asking if Jesus killed someone with is own hand


According to infant gospel of thomas

The text describes the life of the child Jesus from the age of five to age twelve,[9] with fanciful, and sometimes malevolent, supernatural events. He is presented as a precocious child who starts his education early.[9] The stories cover how the young Incarnation of God matures and learns to use his powers for good and how those around him first respond in fear and later with admiration.[2] One of the episodes involves Jesus making clay birds, which he then proceeds to bring to life, an act also attributed to Jesus in Quran 5:110,[10] and in a medieval work known as Toledot Yeshu, although Jesus's age at the time of the event is not specified in either account. In another episode, a child disperses water that Jesus has collected. Jesus kills this first child, when at age one he curses a boy, which causes the child's body to wither into a corpse. Later, Jesus kills another child via curse when the child apparently accidentally bumps into Jesus, throws a stone at Jesus, or punches Jesus (depending on the translation).

@compton11 @zimmaking

no mind him.

Ive been telling him to explain Luke 19:27 to me but he is dodging my questions

compton11:
bro the links u gave, I doubted u even watch it.

I keep telling u to Show the me same verses

The internet has made things easier. What was previously difficult to get is now readily accessible. So, when you keep saying 'no evidence for this' or 'show me ...' I wonder if you are really sincere.

Can you in all honesty say that the Hafs version of the Koran and the Warsh version are the same word for word without a single difference?

On Mohamed forgetting a portion of the Koran: first, because it was narrated by Aisha you want to query it. Then, you claim whether it matters. Are you saying that you can't see the implication that if a portion of the Koran has been forgotten WHEN IT WAS NOT IN THE WRITTEN FORM as a single volume then the Koran you have today is not all that Mohamed received from Allah?

You said 'Allah never used anything to describe the prophet than his piety and going behavior'. If so why did Allah talk about forgiving Mohamed's sins?

If you really believe yourself when you stated that 'Uthman copy is what we are using today' then all I can say is that you still have a lot of things to clear up. Can you sincerely show us the EVIDENCE for this your claim? Do that and I will answer all of your questions.

sagenaija:

The internet has made things easier. What was previously difficult to get is now readily accessible. So, when you keep saying 'no evidence for this' or 'show me ...' I wonder if you are really sincere.

and the funny things is that u never watch those videos ,u just copy and paste it.

sagenaija:

Can you in all honesty say that the Hafs version of the Koran and the Warsh version are the same word for word without a single difference?

Except writing style for example.
البريئة and آلبريّة.
تمّ and تمتم
يَحْسَبُ and. يَحْسِبُ
أن لا and ألا



And so on but u,u don't understand Arabic and your Al fadi is deceiver,so how u supposed to know the difference?
Writing style is what Al fadi is calling different for u.
What a shame.
And NB bro,Al Quran copies is more than hafs and warsh.

sagenaija:

On Mohamed forgetting a portion of the Koran: first

your evidence of prophet Muhammed forgetting portion of al quran in that Hadith?

sagenaija:

because it was narrated by Aisha you want to query it.

read the Hadith yourself Mr man.

sagenaija:

Then, you claim whether it matters. Are you saying that you can't see the implication that if a portion of the Koran has been forgotten WHEN IT WAS NOT IN THE WRITTEN FORM as a single volume then the Koran you have today is not all that Mohamed received from Allah?

why are u showing your ignorance here?

Do u used to forgot a written text u are looking at in your own house?
Did u remember all the math theory u memorised in secondary school?

When I waa young I memorised many verses of ALQURAN but now I've forget some of it.

So how that make all printed Quran different?

sagenaija:

You said 'Allah never used anything to describe the prophet than his piety and going behavior'. If so why did Allah talk about forgiving Mohamed's sins?

Prophet Muhammad(saw) was a human like us,he sins and he will ask for forgiveness.
And how is piety and good behavior stop sins?

Even despite Jesus also been good man,he also sinned.

He stole maize in people farm in Sabbath day -matthew 12:1

He called his mother "WOMAN" -John 19:26-27

He called people people " fool "after he already warned against calling people fool.-Matthew 23:17

And so on

Finally bible Said

What is man, that he can be pure? Or he who is born of a woman, that he can be righteous?
Job15:14

Your own Paul said Jesus has took away all your sins.

Then how come Jesus taught u lord prayers where he made mentioned of FORGIVE US OUR SINS-Luke 11:2-4

sagenaija:

If you really believe yourself when you stated that 'Uthman copy is what we are using today'

cos he was the caliph that made the last copy among the 4 rightly guided caliph.
www.dailysabah.com › feature
Web results
History of the compilation of Quran | Daily Sabah

then all I can say is that you still have a lot of things to clear up.[/quote]bro u think it is Bible?

sagenaija:

Can you sincerely show us the EVIDENCE for this your claim?

he was the caliph that made the last copy among the 4 rightly guided caliph.
www.dailysabah.com › feature
Web results
History of the compilation of Quran | Daily Sabah


And I already told u many time why he burnt the copies during his time.

sagenaija:

Do that and I will answer all of your questions.

I've been answering since u started.
I don't know why u won't answer my own.
U must answer it ooooooooo

haekymbahd:
You are quite ignorant of your Gods childhood from age 1 - 29.. If you know about it you won't be asking if Jesus killed someone with is own hand


According to infant gospel of thomas

The text describes the life of the child Jesus from the age of five to age twelve,[9] with fanciful, and sometimes malevolent, supernatural events. He is presented as a precocious child who starts his education early.[9] The stories cover how the young Incarnation of God matures and learns to use his powers for good and how those around him first respond in fear and later with admiration.[2] One of the episodes involves Jesus making clay birds, which he then proceeds to bring to life, an act also attributed to Jesus in Quran 5:110,[10] and in a medieval work known as Toledot Yeshu, although Jesus's age at the time of the event is not specified in either account. In another episode, a child disperses water that Jesus has collected. Jesus kills this first child, when at age one he curses a boy, which causes the child's body to wither into a corpse. Later, Jesus kills another child via curse when the child apparently accidentally bumps into Jesus, throws a stone at Jesus, or punches Jesus (depending on the translation).

@compton11 @zimmaking

Nigga,

You still dey talk.

Your quran is full of lies, just like she lied that Jesus is not the Son of God. She also lied that jesus never died on the cross. She also lied that it was ismael that Abraham wanted to sacrifice to God instead of isaac. Etc

Everywhere is lies in your religion and that is till today, its a religion in crises.

compton11:
niggaaaa!

I say explain this verse to me

luke 19:27

Jesus said


But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

I have told you before but you still doubted it.

compton11:

You're gradually beginning to agree. You'll get there. So, 'writing style for example... and so on' constitute differences between the two.

Reviewing one of the examples:
Sura 2:125 in Hafs and the Warsh.

Hafs says : وَاتَّخِذوْا “WatakhIzu” (You shall take)
BUT in Warsh it is وَاتَّخَذوْا “WatakhAzu” (They have taken/made).

Now, we are tired of this claim by you guys of 'you don't understand Arabic' bla, bla, bla. Arabic is a human language. Or is it not? If Arabic cannot be understood or easily translated into English then something is wrong; don't you think? So, spare us that argument.

I've chosen to disregard your misunderstanding of some of the things I stated. I know that COMPREHENSION is a major issue for many of you guys. I also assure you that I've watched all the videos I refer people to. It will be disingenuous of me not to.

I'm afraid you have still not provided EVIDENCE that the Koran you're reading today is Uthman's copy.

When a religion is fake. What comes out of it death, destruction, killings and all manner of lies.

peteregwu:



Nigga,

You still dey talk.

Your quran is full of lies, just like she lied that Jesus is not the Son of God. She also lied that jesus never died on the cross. She also lied that it was ismael that Abraham wanted to sacrifice to God instead of isaac. Etc

Everywhere is lies in your religion and that is till today, its a religion in crises.

I decided not to reply the foolish man.They are full of lies,even their bloody, pedophile sh!t prophet.I told him what has Islam brought to humanity,he was blabbing and saying nothing.Christianity brought life,internet, electricity,planes,trains,cars, submarines.Western
education, medicine is top notch.Islam brought nothing than woes, pedophile,wars ,jihad, illetracy.Imagine their dumb prophet recommending camel urine as malaria drug for his followers.

sagenaija:

You're gradually beginning to agree. You'll get there. So, 'writing style for example... and so on' constitute differences between the two.

bro stop disgracing yourself bro!

How is writing style change meaning of something?

sagenaija:



Reviewing one of the examples:
Sura 2:125 in Hafs and the Warsh.

Hafs says : وَاتَّخِذوْا “WatakhIzu” (You shall take)
BUT in Warsh it is وَاتَّخَذوْا “WatakhAzu” (They have taken/made).

now tell me the difference between the Arabic u posted?

I'm telling u stop disgracing yourself.

Sebi Arabic Quran are different?



Show me the difference!

sagenaija:


Now, we are tired of this claim by you guys of 'you don't understand Arabic' bla, bla, bla. Arabic is a human language. Or is it not?

yeah
U want to know Quran is different but u don't have knowledge of Arabic.
Can u argue on Greek without understanding Greek?

sagenaija:


If Arabic cannot be understood or easily translated into English then something is wrong; don't you think? So, spare us that argument.

is Arabic not translate?

Oh u want to translated English to argue on Arabic?

What a pathetic shiit?

sagenaija:



I've chosen to disregard your misunderstanding of some of the things I stated. I know that COMPREHENSION is a major issue for many of you guys. I also assure you that I've watched all the videos I refer people to. It will be disingenuous of me not to.

u see that your pastor fadi u relied on is nothing but joke.

sagenaija:



I'm afraid you have still not provided EVIDENCE that the Koran you're reading today is Uthman's copy.

maybe u blind cos I don't know how many time I'm going to answer u.

Hi

peteregwu:


I have told you before but you still doubted it.

niggaaaa!

U ain't explaining shit nigga

If to say prophet Muhammed say this,yall niggas would have gone wild.


I say explain this verse to me

luke 19:27

Jesus said


But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"


Who are those enemies and the kill statement there?

peteregwu:



Nigga,

You still dey talk.

Your quran is full of lies

and y'all haven't prove it.


Your Bible that isn't lie

New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1

In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

Which one is true?

peteregwu:


just like she lied that Jesus is not the Son of God.

explain how God give birth to Jesus.

peteregwu:


She also lied that jesus never died on the cross.

why would Jesus die on Cross?

Why y'all niggas want barbaric death for Jesus by fire by force?

peteregwu:



She also lied that it was ismael that Abraham wanted to sacrifice to God instead of isaac. Etc

so how is that affect your faith!

peteregwu:


Everywhere is lies in your religion and that is till today, its a religion in crises.

heheheehe

Cc segenaija

U keep dodging This,why is it problem for u to expand This misery?

New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1

In The same verse

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?

compton11:

now tell me the difference between the Arabic u posted?
.....
Show me the difference!
....
U want to know Quran is different but u don't have knowledge of Arabic.
Can u argue on Greek without understanding Greek?
......
is Arabic not translate?
...
maybe u blind cos I don't know how many time I'm going to answer u.

When instead of facing the issues you resort to name calling and bring up unrelated issues you are not helping your case.

When you say "Show me the difference" when it is clearly shown, it means you are being unreasonable. Do I have to know Arabic before I SEE that the diacritical markings between two words are different?
Do I have to know Arabic to SEE that the words are spelt in the English alphabets are different and would lead to different pronunciations and meanings? Come on, man! Are you for real?

In today's world PROPHET GOOGLE (Peace be upon him) is even readily available. One can take a word or paragraph in the Arabic and ask Prophet Google to translate it into English and it will be done.

That's why I had told upfront to forget all those 'You don't know Arabic' claims. Forget it and honestly face issues.

It's so easy to copy and paste. You can do it for the links or for whole portions. Why it has become difficult for you to do that but rather go on to ridicule is amazing. Maybe you want me to quote the Koran for you before you know that you are on a wrong footing there.

So please, if not for me but for others who are reading this thread, kindly provide EVIDENCE that the Koran you're reading today is Uthman's copy.

If you don't then we would be left with no option but to accept that you have accepted defeat and you want to 'pick race'. And we'll see the person who has disgraced himself.

sagenaija:

When instead of facing the issues you resort to name calling and bring up unrelated issues you are not helping your case.

When you say "Show me the difference" when it is clearly shown, it means you are being unreasonable. Do I have to know Arabic before I SEE that the diacritical markings between two words are different?
Do I have to know Arabic to SEE that the words are spelt in the English alphabets are different and would lead to different pronunciations and meanings? Come on, man! Are you for real?

In today's world PROPHET GOOGLE (Peace be upon him) is even readily available. One can take a word or paragraph in the Arabic and ask Prophet Google to translate it into English and it will be done.

That's why I had told upfront to forget all those 'You don't know Arabic' claims. Forget it and honestly face issues.

It's so easy to copy and paste. You can do it for the links or for whole portions. Why it has become difficult for you to do that but rather go on to ridicule is amazing. Maybe you want me to quote the Koran for you before you know that you are on a wrong footing there.

So please, if not for me but for others who are reading this thread, kindly provide EVIDENCE that the Koran you're reading today is Uthman's copy.

If you don't then we would be left with no option but to accept that you have accepted defeat and you want to 'pick race'. And we'll see the person who has disgraced himself.

I swear I won't answer u.
u think u wise? right !
I've been answering since we started this but u don't want to answer,is either u explain this misery or u shut up.





New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse


King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1




This version even omitted the age



JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.




What happened there Mr man?

sagenaija:

When instead of facing the issues you resort to name calling and bring up unrelated issues you are not helping your case.

When you say "Show me the difference" when it is clearly shown, it means you are being unreasonable. Do I have to know Arabic before I SEE that the diacritical markings between two words are different?
Do I have to know Arabic to SEE that the words are spelt in the English alphabets are different and would lead to different pronunciations and meanings? Come on, man! Are you for real?

In today's world PROPHET GOOGLE (Peace be upon him) is even readily available. One can take a word or paragraph in the Arabic and ask Prophet Google to translate it into English and it will be done.

That's why I had told upfront to forget all those 'You don't know Arabic' claims. Forget it and honestly face issues.

It's so easy to copy and paste. You can do it for the links or for whole portions. Why it has become difficult for you to do that but rather go on to ridicule is amazing. Maybe you want me to quote the Koran for you before you know that you are on a wrong footing there.

So please, if not for me but for others who are reading this thread, kindly provide EVIDENCE that the Koran you're reading today is Uthman's copy.

If you don't then we would be left with no option but to accept that you have accepted defeat and you want to 'pick race'. And we'll see the person who has disgraced himself.

I swear I won't answer u.
u think u wise? right !
I've been answering u since we started this but u don't want to answer my ownis either u explain this misery or u shut up.





New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse


King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1




This version even omitted the age



JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.




What happened there Mr man?

compton11:
I swear I won't answer u.
u think u wise? right !
I've been answering u since we started this but u don't

Typical Moslem escapist route.
Why not simply provide the link to where you answered or copy and repaste it here.
You know that you have no answer.

sagenaija:

In the case of the Bible there is only ONE in the original languages.

Not so fast, sage. Though its a pity this will become a who's got the more authentic willy!

Consider

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_languages#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_books_of_the_Christian%2Cfrom_Hebrew_and_Aramaic_texts.?wprov=sfla1]"...debates exist as to which language is the original language of a particular passage, and about whether a term has been properly translated from an ancient language into modern editions of the Bible."[/url].

But yes, there is more than one Arabic version of the Quran.

Traditionally, there are 10 recognized (agreed upon by Muslim scholars) [versions of the Quran], from which seven are categorized by a Muslim scholar “Abu Bakr Ibn Mujahid as most authentic and accepted.

peteregwu:



Nigga,

You still dey talk.

Your quran is full of lies, just like she lied that Jesus is not the Son of God.

The term "son of God" was abused by Christians to mean "begotten son of God" get that "God did not give birth to Jesus". The angels and believers are also son of God yet they were not giving birth to God hence not begotten Gods unlike Christians claims... Jesus was also the son of Abraham, David, Adam, God e.t.c yet none of them gave birth to Jesus..

Allah is against the saying thay Jesus is his begotten son (begotten God)..

Jesus is believed to be God (Allah) by christians hence was given birth to by mary.. Allah said nobody gave birth to him (He neither begets nor is born surat iklas verse 3)

Luke 20
34 And Jesus said to them, The people of this world and present age marry and are given in marriage;

35 But those who are considered worthy to gain that other world and that future age and to attain to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage;

36 For they cannot die again, but they are [n]angel-like and [o]equal to angels. And being sons of and [p]sharers in the resurrection, they are sons of God.

Job 1-6
6 Now there was a day when the sons (the angels) of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan (the adversary and accuser) also came among them.(


My question how is Jesus a begotten son of God and God at the same time while the angels are not when did God give birth to Jesus?

You are also a son of God but does it mean you are a God there is only one God even making Jesus coequal with God.

John 17-3
3 And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.

Allah SWT said:


"Say, He is Allah, [who is] One,"
(QS. Al-Ikhlaas 112: Verse 1)

"He neither begets nor is born,"
(QS. Al-Ikhlaas 112: Verse 3)

"Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
(QS. Al-Ikhlaas 112: Verse 4)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

peteregwu:

She also lied that jesus never died on the cross.

In Mathew we saw there were 2 Jesus.
1. Jesus Barabbas ( son of the father)
2. Jesus Christ (Messiah)

NIV
Mathew 17
So when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them, "Which one do you want me to release to you: Jesus Barabbas, or Jesus who is called the Messiah?"

So they were to release one of the two Jesus and crucify the other..
Accordinding to the bible Jesus (son of the father) was released while Jesus (messiah) was crucified..
My question since Jesus was killed by romans who did not really know Jesus physically even Judas had to kiss Jesus for the Jews to capture because they did not recognize him..

Who is the real Jesus is it Jesus son of the father or Jesus the Messiah?

Allah SWT said:
"And [for] their saying, Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah. And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 157)
* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

The earliest gospel which is the gospel of mark didn't give account that Jesus was seen after death on the cross it stopped at Mark 16 vs 8 but later scribes eventually added to marks gospel... The later Gospels Mathew, Luke and John even Mark all had discrepancies when accounting for the ressurection of christ...

Apart from the Bible no other source nor anybody apart from the so called disciples saw Jesus ressurect and raised to heaven it was only a few group of people that saw him ressurect according to the bible which puts the death of Jesus in doubt..

None of the disciples wrote any of the gospel books

My question who are the authors of the gospel books and how reliable are they?

peteregwu:

She also lied that it was ismael that Abraham wanted to sacrifice to God instead of isaac. Etc

“Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only [monogenes] son, from me” (Gen. 22:12).

Should i say the God of the bible is lying or the authors of the bible lied..

My question how is isaac the only son of Abraham at time of the scrifice if Abraham ever had an only so then it was ishmael..

peteregwu:

Everywhere is lies in your religion and that is till today, its a religion in crises.

Well I wonder how it is still the fastest growing religion people are beginning to see the truth nigga...

sagenaija:

Typical Moslem escapist route.
Why not simply provide the link to where you answered or copy and repaste it here.
You know that you have no answer.

since u have been posting your question,did u see me run?

u answer my question if truly believe in what u hold!

this is the link to history of Quran

this is the history of ALQURAN

https://www.dailysabah.com/feature/2017/06/02/history-of-the-compilation-of-quran



now u answer my question I've been asking u since last week.

u failed to answer this this last time,that means u can't defend what u hold.

and stop fuckin mentioning my name no more if u dont answer This

New International Version

Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1


In The same verse
King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1


This version even omitted the age


JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.


What happened there Mr man?