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|If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by peteregwu(m): 6:49pm On Mar 28|
If I was a Muslim and I come across some of this quotes of Muhammed in the quran, there is no way I would love anyone who is not a Muslim. I would end up having this fake love for them in pretext. Deep inside as a Muslim I would have it in mind that the infidels are worthless and that as a Muslim others are shit. That alone is enough for me to see them that when they are killed I will only ha e little sympathy for them.
And the worst part of it is that mohammed never debunked all these quotes or make it obsolete, but rather ignored it because it is still relevant. It is the revelation of who every Muslim should be.
Just read below
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the
disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every
stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your
religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah(disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole
Quran 9:29. Fight against such of the people(christians) who despite having been given the Scripture(bible) do not (really) believe in Allâh and the Last Day, and who do not hold unlawful what Allâh and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, and do not subscribe to the true faith, until they pay the Jizyah (- the commutation tax), provided they can afford it, and they are content with their state of subjection (having become incorporated in the Islamic government).
Now tell me after all these quotes why won't I have sympathy for Islamic terrorists trying to advance Islam.
Jesus commanded us never to kill anyone and that rather we should pray for our enemies and never retaliate. He said we should live vengeance for God and he would be the one to fight for us. He also said that anyone that kill a life would end up in hell fire. That's the reason we christians can't even take up weapons to kill anyone. Hope you all get what I am saying?
And jesus proved it by not fighting anyone, even when he was arrested and killed. Despite being God and messiah, he never raised his hand over any life to take it.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by falcon01: 7:06pm On Mar 28|
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|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by Chinakwam: 7:09pm On Mar 28|
I don't know why Muslim still don't understand that they are been brainwashed.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by Starzo: 7:16pm On Mar 28|
death to all terrorists
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by Kdon2(m): 7:31pm On Mar 28|
That's why Christianity is the best. No room for hatred or killings in the name of religion. All dOing it ll end in hell fire for sure.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by OlayemiAshraf(m): 7:34pm On Mar 28|
What about Christian
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by budaatum: 8:09pm On Mar 28|
I wish you were a Christian, because if you were a Christian you will love your neighbours, you will not have enemies, and you would most definitely not be here opening threads claiming thank you Lord that you are not a Muslim.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by peteregwu(m): 8:59pm On Mar 28|
My confidence as a chatistian is in Christ Jesus. Jesus was speaking to those without Jesus. The Jews that rejected Jesus and embrace their religion based on their own righteousness that's is not accepted by God.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by budaatum: 10:44pm On Mar 28|
Actually, when we read our Bible today, we must recognise that Jesus is speaking to us, especially in this instance, those of us who are overconfident that our self righteousness is accepted by God.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by peteregwu(m): 9:29am On Mar 29|
When one has confidence in himself, he fails but when his confidence is in the Lord he is lifted up.
2 Corinthians 3:5 KJV
Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Philippians 4:13 KJV
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by budaatum: 3:35pm On Mar 29|
The Priest and the Levite had confidence in the Lord yet Christ said, "emulate the pagan unbelieving non-God worshipper Samaritan".
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by Matheusmartin: 4:09pm On Mar 29|
Are you a Christian?
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|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by Sheunma: 10:04pm On Mar 29|
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by haekymbahd(m): 11:21pm On Mar 29|
peteregwu:I guess you are not a christian because if you are you will definitely know there are violent verses in the Bible....
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|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by peteregwu(m): 2:48pm On Mar 30|
And how many christians has been killing in the name of Jesus? Unlike when others kill, bomb and kidnap in the name of "Allah"
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by haekymbahd(m): 5:00pm On Mar 30|
peteregwu:Now you are talking.. Do you think all muslims are terrorist you are using a few group to categorise all muslims. The people that you see see killing are not true muslims because Allah is against the act...
Allah SWT said:
"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly."
(QS. Al-Mumtahana 60: Verse
"Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers."
(QS. Al-Mumtahana 60: Verse 9)
* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com
I don't have enough time to give a rebuttal to all your post up there but the mistake you made was cherry picking verses of the Quran but I will help with the first verse you quoted Quran 9:5
it shows that treaty was made with the polytheist but they broke the oath and attack the the muslims that was why Allah said muslims should fight back..
Allah SWT said:
"Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 13)
"Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people"
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 14)
* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com
Terrorist such as Boko haram have no genuine reason from the Quran to kill anyone unjustly Allah is against it hence they are not true muslims..
Hope you have also read the verse where (Jesus) told moses to kill babies...
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|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by peteregwu(m): 5:45pm On Mar 30|
Christians never killed anyone in the name of Jesus because Jesus cancelled the previous law of an eye for an eye. But for the quran killing is still valid, that's why the Islamic terrorists use it. I don't blame them actually, mohammed did the same thing. So they are following the ways of mohammed. Whatever they are doing is what their leader taught them to do. Why will mohammed command that Christians and jews should be killed?
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by haekymbahd(m): 7:59pm On Mar 30|
peteregwu:You are a christian and you believe Jesus is God definitely Jesus was the one who commanded all the killings in the old testament even the killing of babies... The same Jesus cancelled an eye for an eye.. Then who says Jesus can't return to his old way if he has the ability of changing his mind over a matter..
19 God is not a man, that He should tell or act a lie, neither the son of man, that He should feel repentance or compunction [for what He has promised]. Has He said and shall He not do it? Or has He spoken and shall He not make it good?
If Jesus himself established the law of an eye for an eye at first then he sees nothing wrong with it
Would you have preffered Muhammad surrender himself to be killed will it make you even more happy so he can die for your sin?
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by compton11: 9:29pm On Mar 30|
peteregwu:then how come Vikings,columbus,pope Innocent 111 and crusaders killed in the name of Jesus?
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by compton11: 11:14pm On Mar 30|
peteregwu:nigga all the verses of Quran come for a reason,u can't just Chery pick.
peteregwu:including your mama that is not muslim let assume u are muslim?
do u love the idolators?
especially in your Biafra land where their shrines are been demolished by your pastors.
peteregwu:just as Christians see other religions different form theirs.
“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
peteregwu:Quran commands Muslims to fight those who fight them only.
Allah says in Quran 2:190
Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits. Allah does not like transgressors.
Allah also says in Quran 60:9
Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.
peteregwu:because there is nothing wrong in it and it is revelation from almighty.
did Jesus debunked the violence and swords mentioned in the bible?
Bible mentioned swords like 100 times While Quran never mentioned swords.
did Jesus debunked all the verses?
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
including women, animals And children?
nigga what have those Innocents done to your lord?
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Jesus even contributed to the hatred and violence
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
and so on.
peteregwu:nigga u supposed to complete the ayat.
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
yes that is it,it is referring to the pagans of mecca that were attacking the innocent Muslims the time of prophet Muhammed(saw).
the war is justified cos they attacked Muslims first and u won't see where Quran the commands killing of women,animal and youngs unlike Bible.
peteregwu:nigga STFU there,this is correct verse of what u posted.
Quran 9:112. Those who repent, who worship (Him), who praise (Him), who fast, who bow down, who prostrate themselves, who enjoin good and forbid evil, and who observe the limits set by Allah. And give glad tidings to the believers.
Christianity and lies are like 5 and 6.
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled-Quran:9:29
yes to the pagans that attacked Muslims first and if they repent from theirs bad way(attacking Muslims) then they should pay jizya(a fee paid by non Muslims under Islamic government for his /protection.)
nigga worry about this
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed
peteregwu:nigga this ain't existing plus ibn ishaq was historian.
it is neither good hadith or Quran verses.
Christians I hail thee
mr man this is the correct verse
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.
fight who Christians?
the pagans of mecca that were prosecuting the Muslims.
prophet Muhammed lived with the Christians of najran and even never attacked them,so where u get your own shit from?
peteregwu:how many Quran 8:39 u wan post?
so fitnah means non Muslims?
nah nigga the fitnah is prosecution the Muslims faced in mecca In the hand of pagans.
those same pagans of mecca used to bury their daughters alive until prophet Muhammed stop all these
peteregwu:heheheehe u posted your own verses that suits.
this is the real one
Fight those People of the Book who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, and do not take as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared as unlawful, and do not profess the Faith of Truth; (fight them) until they pay jizyah with their own hands while they are subdued.
on one condition
Quran 2:190 and Quran 60:9 has already explained explained it
and also it applies to the people of the books that followed not what taurat and injeel brought as law.
Again, the verse permits the muslims to fight the non –muslims in an islamic state ONLY and ONLY if they refuse to pay the jizya – Willingly . Re-read the verse from ANY translation if you are not sure. But once they pay the jizya tax they can continue to believe in their atheistic pagan beliefs, but it will be under an Islamic state. You can still forgive them by not forcing them into Islam, nor oppressing them or being bad to them because of their wrong beliefs.
and I challenge you to show me ONE verse from the Quran which says to kill the disbelievers just because they are disbelievers unlike Bible.
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing Quran 2:256
Allah also said
Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)
peteregwu:just like u won't have sympathy for Christians terrorists like Columbus,pope innocent III,vikings,king Leopold II,the Iron Guard and Lăncieri and so on!
peteregwu:the same your jesus said
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
I have come to ignite a fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
and I wonder how people would be killing u and u will be looking dumb like fucking idiot?
peteregwu:where did he said that?
I need Bible verse
is it the same Jesus that curse fig tree while he was Hungry and unable to find fig on the tree?
peteregwu:which Bible verse is that?
and also the people that killed Jesus for u to be saved are going to hell fire
peteregwu:then how come king Leopold,columbus,vikings and so on were killing?
peteregwu:cos he and his people didn't see war like prophet Samuel,moses,david and prophet Muhammed(peace be upon all of them)
peteregwu:u mean God Almighty was killed?
peteregwu:U mean God come from woman p****y and sucked breast?
may we be free from stupidity and delicion
peteregwu:the reason is that
he was never in position to take
he and his people never see war like other prophets.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by MightySparrow: 11:33pm On Mar 30|
Satanic Verses by S. Rushdie
The verses would make angels become terrorists
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by peteregwu(m): 8:08am On Mar 31|
They just killed and burnt somebody to death in bauchi state for insulting Prophet mohammed. The spirit of Islam is at work again. Let's go to bauchi.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by compton11: 9:07am On Mar 31|
peteregwu:refute all what I wrote and stop using this as excuse.
Christianity have been burning people for so long plus the prophet never kill anybody in his life time for blasphemy against him.
is it not Christians that burned Muslims in jos and eating them?
another history of Churches burning people
even Islam is against burning of people.
Bauchi people are just ignorant nothing more plus we don't know if that news is true.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by sagenaija: 10:00am On Mar 31|
Maybe you were never told of the following:
1. One of Abdullah bin Katal’s two singing-girls
On the list of those excluded from amnesty after the conquest of Mecca was not only Abdullah b. Katal, collector of legal alms, who had killed his slave for incompetence, apostatized, and took the money back to Mecca, but also his two singing-girls who sang satirical verses about Muhammad, which Abdullah had composed. He was killed, even though he was clinging to the curtain of the Kabah shrine. And one of the girls was also killed, but the other ran away until she asked for pardon from Muhammad, who forgave her.
Source: Bukhari vol. 4, 3044; Ibn Ishaq, pp. 550-51 / 819.
2. Asma bint Marwan
Asma was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans, and whose husband was named Yazid b. Zayd. She composed a poem blaming the Medinan pagans for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise. When the Allah-inspired prophet heard what she had said, he asked, "Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?" A member of her husband’s tribe volunteered and crept into her house that night. She had five children, and the youngest was sleeping at her breast. The assassin gently removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.
The following morning, the assassin defied anyone to take revenge. No one took him up on his challenge, not even her husband. In fact, Islam became powerful among his tribe. Previously, some members who had kept their conversion secret now became Muslims openly, "because they saw the power of Islam," conjectures Ibn Ishaq.
Source: Ibn Ishaq, pp. 675-76 / 995-96.
3. Abu Afak
Abu Afak, an centenarian elder of Medina, belonging to a group of clans who were associated with the god Manat (though another account has him as a Jew), wrote a derogatory poem about Muhammad, extolling the ancestors of his tribe who were strong enough to overthrow mountains and to resist submitting to an outsider (Muhammad) who divides two large Medinan tribes with religious commands like "permitted" and "forbidden." That is, the poet is referring to Muhammad’s legal decrees about things that are forbidden (e.g. pork and alcohol) and permitted (e.g. other meats like beef and camel). Before the Battle of Badr, Muhammad let him live.
After the battle, the prophet queried, "Who will deal with this rascal for me?" That night, Salim b. Umayr "went forth and killed him." One of the Muslims wrote a poem in reply: "A hanif [monotheist or Muslim] gave you a thrust in the night saying / ‘Take that Abu Afak in spite of your age!’"
Source: Ibn Ishaq p. 675 / 995.
Do you know what happened in Yathrib (now Medina) how Mohamed supervised the killing of hundreds of Jews?
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by compton11: 12:08pm On Mar 31|
sagenaija:find me record where prophet Muhammed(saw) killed with his own hands!
sagenaija:he was enemy working for the pagans and u expect him to be spared?
not only that he killed his slave
sahih bukhari mentioned the man alone without mentioning of two daughters and also I want u show me the real books of Ibn Ishaq that mentioned the two girls
sahih buhari vol 4 3044 never mentioned that and that ibn ishaq that u mentioned was an historian that use to collect some evidence from jews and christians,so how do u expect those to give true history about the prophet?
sagenaija:this one has already been refuted by hadith scholars
The Killing of Asma': True Story or Forgery?
Basically the charge is that the Prophet had ordered the killing of Asma' when she insulted him with her poetry. As it is usually the case where the history of Islam and the character of the Prophet is concerned, it is left to the Muslims to throw some light on authenticity of the story in which this incident is reported by the sources and educate the missionaries in matters which they have no clue about.
The story of the killing of Asma' bint Marwan is mentioned by Ibn Sa'd in Kitab At-Tabaqat Al-Kabir and by the author of Kinz-ul-'Ummal under number 44131 who attributes it to Ibn Sa'd, Ibn 'Adiyy and Ibn 'Asaker. What is interesting is that Ibn 'Adiyy mentions it in his book Al-Kamel on the authority of Ja'far Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn As-Sabah on authority of Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ash-Shami on authority of Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj Al-Lakhmi on authority of Mujalid on authority of Ash-Shu'abi on authority of Ibn 'Abbas, and added that
...this isnâd (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it.
It is also reported by Ibn al-Gawzi in Al-'Ilaland is listed among other flawed reports.
So according to its isnâd, the report is forged - because one of its reporters is notorious for fabricating hadîth. Hence, such a story is rejected and is better off being put into the trash can.
The Killing of Abu 'Afak: Where is The Isnâd?
I mean who reported it to historian ibn ishaq?
According to Ibn Sa'd and Ibn Ishâq, Abu 'Afak was a 120 years old Jewish man who had abused the Prophet(saw) verbally, so the latter launched a raid under the command of Salîm Ibn 'Umaîr to kill him. We do know that Ibn Ishâq lived in the 2nd half of the 2nd century after Hijra, as well as Al-Waqîdî from whom Ibn Sa'd (died 230 A.H.) copied the story of Abu 'Afak.
As explained above, the chain of reporters of the story from eye-witnesses of the event till Ibn Ishâq or Al-Waqîdî must be examined and verified. So, our legitimate question is: where is the isnâd (i.e., chain of reporters)?
Unfortunately, references of the Sîrah do not provide such information. Actually, we are told that this story has no isnâd at all; neither Ibn Ishâq (or his disciple Ibn Hîsham) nor Al-Waqîdî (or his disciple Ibn Sa'd) had provided such a thing! In this case, the story is rated by hadîth scholars as "...of no basis", indicating that it has reached the lowest degree of criticism regarding its isnâd. This is in fact a proper scientific position because we cannot accept such a problematic story without evidence.
In brief, we have no commitment to accept such a baseless story - according to scientific criteria of hadîth criticism - which strangely had appeared in the 2nd half of the 2nd century after Hijra. We are therefore obliged to reject the story of the killing of Abu 'Afak by Salîm Ibn 'Umaîr at the Prophet’s command.
this story is baseless.
we Muslims don't believe in all hadiths or history cos it was narrated after the death of prophet Muhammed(saw).
most of it are false and baseless and statements of human about prophet Muhammed Just like Matthew,mark,luke,john.
for a good reason
The Banu Qurayza initially told the Muslims that they were allied to them during the Battle of the Trench , however, later they sided with the Pagan Arabs of Quraysh and their allies.
they signed treaty with the prophet that they would defend Medina from the pagans of mecca but they betrayed the trust.
so you expected them to be spared?
even Jesus ordered the killing of his enemies
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by compton11: 12:10pm On Mar 31|
explain this verse
luke 19:27 Jesus said
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by peteregwu(m): 7:32pm On Mar 31|
Its a parable. Jesus was referring to the end time, when he would return and judge those who never believed in him and those that are into sin and evil.
Jesus would be the one that would bring judgement upon all sinners and those that rejected him or even those that claim to be Christians but lived in sin and never forsook their sins.
John 5:22-23 KJV
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:  That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 12:48 KJV
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Matthew 25:31-33 KJV
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:  And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:  And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by sagenaija: 9:02pm On Mar 31|
compton11:It is typical of you Moslems to shift from one end to the other. You now want where Mohamed used his hands to kill. When that is provided you will then query the authenticity of even the Islamic source used. You have decided against all FACTS to believe what you want about Mohamed.
Have you heard of accessory to a murder? Even though such a one did not directly commit the murder does the fact that he did not absolve such a one of guilt? If you ask someone to murder another person and it is found that you did, will you be guilt less in the eyes of the law? If so then you must be from Mars.
Are you now saying that even though Mohamed asked others to murder on his behalf that he is not to be blamed for their actions? Sometimes one wonders how your brains work.
Mohamed had many people murdered either by his direct command or in agreeing to those who requested to murder on his behalf. We see those killed while they slept. There were no interrogations, no trials, and no judgments. Men and women, young and old, all were killed. To blind your eyes to these would mean that you are as hard hearted as can be.
See if you can notice something in the following:
Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, (The Life of Muhammad), A. Guillaume, tr. (New York: Oxford University Press, 1980), p. 464].: “Then they surrendered, and the apostle [Muhammad] confined them in Medina . . . Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still a market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. . . . There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.”
In case you missed it: who was that incident attributed to?
The Koran advocates killing:
"When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful." Sura 9:5
The Hadiths follow the same path:
Bukhari, volume 9, #17
"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Bukhari volume 9, #57
Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
Bukhari volume 9, #64
But as typical of you guys, you can deny even the Koran portions one uses and claim that it is fake all in a bid to hold on to to a false position. You have been sold a dummy and you have bought it hook line and sinker.
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by compton11: 10:45pm On Mar 31|
sagenaija:give me the evidence Mr man.
sagenaija:not all Islamic source are authentic even most are forged.
sagenaija:and what is that?
sagenaija:those who are murders are enemies and prosecutors of Islam during that time.
sagenaija:blame for killing those that wage war against Islam first?
sagenaija:you want trail for enemies.
did your Bible God gave trail to amalkites when he ordered saul to distroy them?
sagenaija:u lie the prophet is against that in term of war unlike Bible God that commanded the killing of amalkites women,children and animals.
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys-1samuel 15:3
16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
sagenaija:they can't be trusted,they signed treaty with the muslims and broke it and help the pagans to fight against Muslims.
sagenaija:the jews of Medina
sagenaija:just like bible but on condition
Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors-Quran2:190.
sagenaija:yes who the pagans of mecca that first wage war against Muslims.
The reason is that
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned [i.e., praised]. And Allah will surely support those who support Him [i.e., His cause]. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.--Quran 22:40
And don't act like bible didn't say it too and pathetic is that whether those idolators attack your God people first or not,they must be distroy.
“If there is found in your midst, in any of your towns, which the Lord your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, by transgressing His covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, and if it is told you and you have heard of it, then you shall inquire thoroughly. Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel,read more.
then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to death. On the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
“He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the Lord alone, shall be utterly destroyed.
sagenaija:the third one is for those that converted to Islam during the war with the pagans of mecca people like Abdullahi ibn ubay,they converted to islam fasely to spy on muslims military tactics,
those how do u expect people like that to be spared?
Allah said in ALQURAN
There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.-Quran 2:256
Allah also said
And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?-Quran 10:99
He don't his wage war or Help the enemies against Islam.
Prophet Muhammad (S) said “Whoever kills a mu’ahid (a non-Muslim given protection in a Muslim land), he will never smell the fragrance of Paradise.” [Bukhari]
Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed-exodus 22:20
sagenaija:even the narration of this hadith has already made it false.
Ali lived with the prophet for all his life and still didn't know the prophet forbad burning,that is pathetic.
Also Also, "Ikrima" the narrator of the story, was one of the leaders of Khawarej who waged the battle of Nahrawan against Imam Ali (a.s). He has fabricated many ahadith and related them to Ibn Abbas.
On changing from Islam,we have already told it apply to those that converted before to spy on muslims military tactics.
But as typical of you guys, you can deny even the Koran portions one uses and claim that it is fake all in a bid to hold on to to a false position. [/quote]any Muslims that deny any ayat in Quran is unbeliever.
We deny Hadith that were forged against prophet Muhammed(Saw)
You have been sold a dummy and you have bought it hook line and sinker.
[/quote] heheheehe but u believe all these in your own Bible?
Then the Lord rose up as though waking from sleep, like a warrior aroused from a drunken stupor
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by compton11: 11:13pm On Mar 31|
peteregwu:what a pathetic shiit!
So it is parable when it involves violence but it is not parable when it is about love?
35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”
“Nothing,” they answered.
36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
New International Version
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
Why did Jesus cursed fig tree?
peteregwu:then how come that verse is different from this?
But God is the Judge;
He puts down one and exalts another
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?
The Lord arises to contend,
And stands to judge the people.
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;
So how can Jesus said the father judge not,with all these verse?
peteregwu:he who reject him among the isrealite he was sent to during his time is doom.
The same Matthew said this
Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel
This verse tell us he and his disciples would be judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
So which one are we going to believe?
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by sagenaija: 11:59pm On Mar 31|
I have said it repeatedly that Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth. For ANY given thing in Islam you can always find the opposite. So Moslems can always play around with whichever they want and claim that the other one no longer applies.
How come Islam hasn't sat down to determine which Islamic books are genuine and which are fake so as to discard the fake ones? The answer is simple. The books came from the amalgamation of 'Tales from Arabia'. Many of them, created hundreds of years after Mohamed died, never really came from his time, including the Koran.
As different compilers came up their independent and uncoordinated works resulted in the mumbo jumbo we have today as Islamic sources and books. As a result Moslems pick and choose which thing to accept in Islam.
But then INTEGRITY is a scarce commodity in Islam so, even in the face of glaring inconsistencies in the Narratives of Islam Moslems still run with their emotions headlong into them. That again is why when Moslems are told that their claim that the Koran has been 'Perfectly Preserved' without change is false they still refuse to accept it. And when over 30 different Arabic (not English) versions are shown to them, they begin to dance around looking for how to make that fit into their claim.
You mentioned chains of narrators. Who verified them? Remember that the documents LISTING them were created hundreds of years after Mohamed. So, any person can decide to 'authenticate' his writings by claiming a list that goes back to Mohamed. Unless you guys can find the 7th century source documents you are still living in fools Paradise.
"not all Islamic source are authentic even most are forged".Note that you said 'Islamic sources'. So, Allah couldn't ensure that his message AND examples through his 'seal' of the prophets were preserved accurately. He allowed satan to infiltrate his people and distort issues. Interesting!
|Re: If I Was A Muslim This Quotes In Quran Would Make Me An Indirect Terrorists by compton11: 7:46am On Apr 01|
sagenaija:tell me the Bible prophets that spared those who are in war with them?
U think u wise ? no u stupid
.Bible God commanded samuel
1 Samuel 15:3
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
Even if Jesus encountered oppression and war against him and his people during his time ,he would have fight,so because the prophet ordered the killing of war enemies and spy,that makes him not a prophet?
But saul,samuel,david,solomom,moses and so on can do the same?
He and followers faced oppression from the pagans of mecca just because he told them that they should be believe in One God, treat the poor with kindness and stop buring their daughters
Even Jesus said
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me. Luke 19:27.
even hear what your lord did for prophet Elisha when some little niggas were calling him bald head.
in the book of 2 Kings 2:23-24
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
sagenaija:that is what in Christianity.
If we ask Christians is Jesus God?
Some will say yes while some will say No.
sagenaija:Islamic scholars has already done that.
Some history that are real about the prophet and the one that are not real
Even the fake Quran and fake books Christians are writing against Islam.
But Why are Christians producing fake Quran?
Is that the way of winning soul for Christ?
Producing fake things about other religions?
sagenaija:u mean Quran never existed during the time of the prophet?
What a dumb nigga
So if Qur'an never existed during his Time,what was he using?
sagenaija:so we should all accept them even if it is fake?
Can u accept fake history about Jesus plus Mr man?
Tell us the history of Jesus from 3 years old to 30.
sagenaija:then show me one Arabic Quran that is different from another one.
There is one one Arabic version
New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years
1 Samuel 13:1
In The same verse
King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel-1 Samuel 13:1
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Saul was 30 years old when he became king, and he reigned 42 years over Israel.1 Samuel 13:1
This version even omitted the age
JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.
What happened there Mr man?
sagenaija:pls show me the Arabic version that has different words.
sagenaija:just like I told u if someone write fake report about Jesus,are u going to believe?
sagenaija:His message is Qur'an in which we Muslims believe 100%
sagenaija:histories about prophet Muhammed is not sacred and not part of our religious obligation,so?
Now bible Is part of Christianity
With all the different in versions if Bible,did he allowed satan to infiltrate Christians to distort issues too?
As a Protestant Where is books of Baruch, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach, Tobit and Wisdom of Solomon in your own Bible?
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