MaxInDHouse:
Great!
So if your faculty can't explain how life came to be without some parental means (abiogenesis) what evidence do you think is sufficient enough to prove evolution?
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob said "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" {Genesis 1:1} afterwards He began explaining how life came to be on just one planet out of nine in our solar system, can your faculty explain how one single planet out of nine has life when the rest do not?
Please if someone tells you how something was done and you finds it hard to comprehend does it necessarily means what that person said is not possible?
What makes you believe in the evolution theory yet there has never been any form of creature evolving from something else? Genesis 1:24
Please avoid the Bible citations it's meant for other followers not you!

FatherOfJesus:

Creation is not a scientific theory, evolution is.

Scientific theories are usually backed by experimented evidence and are falsifiable. In science, creation is not regarded a theory rather a pseudoscience.

That’s the difference

MaxInDHouse:
I purposely referred to the Bible's opinion of life as theory to simplify it as something we all can scrutinize and find it's undeniable usefulness.
You and i agreed Science and Sense correlates but can you please tell me one of the benefits of Evolution enjoyed by evolutionists apart from the head knowledge of their theory?
Come on my friend, we are not here just to argue about some head knowledge of no practical use and we all know that not all Scientists discards the existence of God so forget about Science as something belonging to atheists both religionsts and nonreligionists have achieved a lot in Scientific research or discoveries!

FatherOfJesus:

Evolution doesn’t explain origin of life, it explains diversity of life. This is basic biology.

There are several hypotheses that explains origin of life like Abiogenesis and panspermia etc. and you can read about them, they don’t in anyway affect the theory of evolution. I can’t teach you basic biology on nairaland

FatherOfJesus:
You just gave credence to the op.

MaxInDHouse:
As a human having common sense you can't expect me to start learning something that's of no PRACTICAL BENEFITS for me and my neighbours, so i don't need it!

FatherOfJesus:

Theres nothing like “Evolutionist”.
Creation has never been tested hence not a scientific theory.
Correct that error first

FatherOfJesus:

This shows how poor you are in biology.
You can’t research and develop new antibiotics and antimalarial drugs without the knowledge of evolution. Since one simple application “out of many” of evolution that you can get.

Have you asked yourself why we no longer use penicillin to tear bacterial infections or chloroquine to treat malaria. The answer is evolution

MaxInDHouse:
LIES! LIES!! LIES!!!
Creatures often develop immunity to thing negatively effecting them. For instance there were several reports of pandemics in the past that claimed millions of lives but later as people continue to live with it they became immune to such plagues my friend the same thing is happening to other creatures so don't let anyone use that to deceive you, nothing has ever evolved from another thing NEVER!

DappaD:
@OP, there’s just one statement from your entire post that caught my attention. The article wrote that “religious people tend to rely more on intuition” in other words what you mean is that belief in God is basically credulity i.e. blind faith and that it cannot stand the test of logical reasoning, correct? Well, I agree to some extent with you that most people who believe in a God cannot substantiate it with evidence therefore the real kind of “faith” is not something most people readily possess. 2Thessalonians 3:2
The type of “faith” the Bible really addresses has to be based on concrete evidence(Hebrews 11:1), so when the Bible speaks about God, it directs attention to viable facts. Romans 1:20

So this issue of “faith” is what we need to address and I believe atheism should also be put on a pedestal.
Now please don’t see this the wrong way or see it as a “tu quoque” argument, but as an atheist, did you personally witness the Big Bang take place or have you ever actually seen animals evolving from one specie to a new one with your own two eyes ? That is, apart from the numerous articles and textbooks written in support of it? (Remember that, mutations do not in anyway support your evolution theory, whether the macro- or the micro- type)

MaxInDHouse:
LIES! LIES!! LIES!!!
Creatures often develop immunity to thing negatively effecting them. For instance there were several reports of pandemics in the past that claimed millions of lives but later as people continue to live with it they became immune to such plagues my friend the same thing is happening to other creatures so don't let anyone use that to deceive you, nothing has ever evolved from another thing NEVER!

DappaD:



The man thought he was talking to uneducated people. Just imagine someone claiming that something as basic as homeostasis(which every living thing on earth does by the second) is a mechanism/backup for the evolution theory? Really hilarious.

MaxInDHouse:
When God's word said He has caught those claiming they're intelligent (without him) in their own web {Job 5:12} do you think He was joking? JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are using the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS found in the Bible's THEORY of Creation to BENEFITS themselves { Isaiah 48:17-18} and here you are agitating some useless and worthless definitions that stupid idiots gave you regarding what is of no use to you nor your children! Romans 1:20

DappaD:

The man thought he was talking to uneducated people. Just imagine someone claiming that something as basic as homeostasis(which every living thing on earth does by the second) is a mechanism/backup for the evolution theory? Really hilarious.

FatherOfJesus: I like your line of reasoning but atheism doesn’t really mean automatic understanding of scientific concepts even though science usually tends towards atheism than religion.
Atheism is just a disbelieve in the existence of God we have examples a lot of people who don’t even understand science becoming atheists.


Now to answer your question about whether I saw Big Bang happened and seen an animal evolve into another one. This reasoning is faulty in the sense that I don’t need to be around during the Big Bang to know it happened, I do not also need to see another animal turn into a different animal to see evolution. Whatever event that has ever happened in the universe, evidence are dropped to spot them.

Your question is like asking how scientist find out that the sun is hugely made of hydrogen and helium even as they have never visited the sun, you don’t have to visit the sun to know it’s chemical compositions, you just have to develop methods to measure it here from earth and that’s why spectrometry is handy here.

Now let get back to Big Bang and evolution, first of all, evolution do not only happen in animals, we have observed firsthand one organism turning into another one, this explains the emergence of various forms of pathogens, we have also seen them evolve right under our microscopes, we have also observed speciation in some birds. We have seen evidence that the universe actually started from one point while employing the method of spectrophotometery which reveals the redshift of distant galaxies, we have evidence that these galaxies are moving away from us at accelerated speeds, they must have been so close to the point we are today in the past if this is the case. We have also discovered the microwave background, we heat it in radio communication like in tv and also created an image of how it’s dispersed around the universe, if you know what’re microwave images are then it’s easy to know that this is a result of a cooling universe, which was much hotter in the past. I can go on and on to tell you about it.
So because you are not there doesn’t mean you can’t find the evidence.
Science doesn’t teach you to believe, it teaches you to observe, analyze and understand stuffs.

FatherOfJesus:

What are science? You are talking about something different entirely.

Immunity doesn’t explain drug resistance, we have not developed immunity to malaria, that’s why millions still die from it every years, we have lot of bacteria infection like Thyphoid we cannot develop immunity for. As a matter of fact, the immune system cannot develop immunity on its own to HIV, malaria and so many their pathogens.

Now, the reason why we do not use penicillin to treat bacteria infections anymore is because since the discovery of penicillin, bacteria over the years have evolved mechanism to evade the drug’s functionalities, hence they become resistant to it. This necessitates new research on antibiotics, every year because of that fact that these microorganisms evolve to become resistant, you have to develop new antibiotics which they will eventually still become resistant to with time.

If you take chloroquine for malaria today, you will be wasting you time, malaria parasites especially plasmodium falciparum all evolved to develop resistance to it.

DappaD:


Sorry but the only question I asked is “HAVE YOU SEEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN WITH YOUR OWN EYES BEFORE IN ACTION?”

And what I can grab from the highlighted is that the answer to my two questions that I asked is an outright NO?



At least we can see the sun and feel the energy it radiates so that’s somewhat a baseless comparison. The issue is please did you ever see this Big Bang take place in real time?




Don’t you think that with your concluding comments, most especially the highlighted words, you have finally placed yourself in the shoes of religionists? Because I asked you a question that has to do with your school of thought and impressively, you delivered like I expected you to but my question is still unanswered because if you were not there when it happened, then whatever is said about it can be constituted as “mere hearsay” lacking concrete evidence and doesn’t in anyway make you any different from those who believe in a God.

MaxInDHouse:
Billions of bacteria dies everyday but as they continue to reproduce in millions the next generation began developing resistance to the common drugs we use to destroy them.
The same thing happens in the midst of humans what used to kill people in times past has become less effective to the up coming generation. That's the truth!

FatherOfJesus:

lol @ practical application in the Bible

Name one invention that was a result of practical application from the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
The God of the Bible gave humans freewill so if humans now invent one thing or another it's still within the provisions God gave them namely brains and elements around them.
The Bible doesn't teach us how to invent anything because that's left to how far we are able to make use of what God gave us.
But there is no school of thought that can make PEACE reign amongst their scholars except the Bible which true adherents (JWs) have cultivated LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in their midst! Galatians 5:22-23

It's the absence of these qualities that's making the earth a terrible place to live so no invention of any kind can solve this except the one and only source of guidance from the author of life Bible! Isaiah 1:18

FatherOfJesus:

So what methods to they use to develop this resistance?
Explain methods let’s see how evolution will not come in?
Because you just explain evolution by yourself even without knowing it

MaxInDHouse:
God created Adam and Eve and placed them in a garden in the far East but as people began migrating to other places there bodies start to adapt to the environment they reach.
Other creatures also move from one place to another and as times goes on they adapt to their environment if they didn't die their. Most animals travel thousands of miles until they're able to get a suitable place for them to live.
The bacteria you're talking about are also living organizms so while many dies due to the intake of substance affecting them the up coming ones develop immunity to those substances. That's the truth so if some researchers now tell you lies that such development means evolution please tell them that it's a lie.
Meanwhile we are not supposed to argue about micro organizms that everyone can't see. Why not present your theory with what everyone can see like a dog evolving to fish!

MaxInDHouse:
God created Adam and Eve and placed them in a garden in the far East but as people began migrating to other places there bodies start to adapt to the environment they reach.
Other creatures also move from one place to another and as times goes on they adapt to their environment if they didn't die their. Most animals travel thousands of miles until they're able to get a suitable place for them to live.
The bacteria you're talking about are also living organizms so while many dies due to the intake of substance affecting them the up coming ones develop immunity to those substances. That's the truth so if some researchers now tell you lies that such development means evolution please tell them that it's a lie.
Meanwhile we are not supposed to argue about micro organizms that everyone can't see. Why not present your theory with what everyone can see like a dog evolving to fish!

FatherOfJesus:

Provide evidence for the existence of God?

Provide an evidence we can test

MaxInDHouse:

He said about His true worshipers "You are my WITNESSES" so if you're seeing people living like brothers and sisters from different races on this planet where it seems impossible for you to relate with your fellow atheists in other countries.
Know that you're already seeing the proof of God's presence in the midst of His worshipers!


Why not test and see if any of the divisive means leading scholars from all other schools of thought kill themselves like beasts for instance Politics and Racism can have any effect on JWs?

FatherOfJesus:

Your biology knowledge is so laughable, I can’t even teach you anymore

MaxInDHouse:
God created Adam and Eve and placed them in a garden in the far East but as people began migrating to other places there bodies start to adapt to the environment they reach.
Other creatures also move from one place to another and as times goes on they adapt to their environment if they didn't die their. Most animals travel thousands of miles until they're able to get a suitable place for them to live.
The bacteria you're talking about are also living organizms so while many dies due to the intake of substance affecting them the up coming ones develop immunity to those substances. That's the truth so if some researchers now tell you lies that such development means evolution please tell them that it's a lie.
Meanwhile we are not supposed to argue about micro organizms that everyone can't see. Why not present your theory with what everyone can see like a dog evolving to fish!

DappaD:
@OP, there’s just one statement from your entire post that caught my attention. The article wrote that “religious people tend to rely more on intuition” in other words what you mean is that belief in God is basically credulity i.e. blind faith and that it cannot stand the test of logical reasoning, correct? Well, I agree to some extent with you that most people who believe in a God cannot substantiate it with evidence therefore the real kind of “faith” is not something most people readily possess. 2Thessalonians 3:2
The type of “faith” the Bible really addresses has to be based on concrete evidence(Hebrews 11:1), so when the Bible speaks about God, it directs attention to viable facts. Romans 1:20

So this issue of “faith” is what we need to address and I believe atheism should also be put on a pedestal.
Now please don’t see this the wrong way or see it as a “tu quoque” argument, but as an atheist, did you personally witness the Big Bang take place or have you ever actually seen animals evolving from one specie to a new one with your own two eyes ?

FatherOfJesus:

That is not how drug resistance work.
The topic is right about atheist being more intelligent that believers
See the trash biology you are saying

MaxInDHouse:
TEACH? Do i hear you say TEACH?
My friend your teaching is useless if it's of no PRACTICAL BENEFITS to you and those around you!
My own teachings will help me to live in the midst of those who have the same teaching with PEACE of mind, while you are scared of your fellow atheist who may decide to use you for one of his experiments, after all you're BLACK and to him you mean nothing more than just a living organizm!

MaxInDHouse:
Intelligence that's makes your life means nothing before your fellow atheist shey?