Braveboi1:
op isi aduro gi nma

tctrills:
God told Adam, In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground.
So I ask, is hardwork a curse?
Also those born into super wealthy families like trustfund children are they spared from the curse? Since they don't need to suffer.
Same Goes for the woman, women who never have kids, are they spared from the curse?

tctrills:
God told Adam, In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground.
So I ask, is hardwork a curse?
Also those born into super wealthy families like trustfund children are the spared from the curse? Since they don't need to suffer.

Same Goes for the woman, women who never have kids, are they spared from the curse?

tctrills:
God told Adam, In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground.
So I ask, is hardwork a curse?
Also those born into super wealthy families like trustfund children are the spared from the curse? Since they don't need to suffer.
Same Goes for the woman, women who never have kids, are they spared from the curse?

AntiChristian:

And was there a time serpents never walk on their belly? How do they move then?

Dtruthspeaker:


The way you think is crazy, God Cursed the conception and we see that many women never or almost never have kids and you still ask if they are spared from the Curse in their barrenness?

God Cursed that men would suffer and work arduous and almost unprofitable work yet you ask is hardwork a curse?

You are crazy O.

dattaswami:


Punishment given for a sin is only to change the mind of the soul and purify it. There is no trace of revenge in this. The hell is an indication of the intensive love of God to the souls through which God wants to reform the souls. The hell indicates the hectic effort of God put on the soul to reform it and not to leave the soul for its fate.

A father may leave his son since he is not changing inspite of all his efforts. But in the hell God puts serious effort and succeeds to change the soul. Therefore, even thousands of fathers cannot be equal to God. God is not leaving the soul without changing it and this point is indicated by the punishment and hell.

Therefore, there is no point of excusing the Prarabhdas if this true basis is understood. God will try to change the soul through preaching as far as possible. Punishment in the hell is the last resort. Once the soul is reformed all the sins are smashed since there is neither the necessity of preaching nor the necessity of punishment.


All the punishments are only for reformation of the soul and not for revenge. The hell is created by God not with vengeance against sinners but due to kindness to reform the souls. God is always kind to reform the souls, which are His children since the souls are created by Him.

The father will never have even a trace of vengeance towards his issues. Jesus always addressed God as father and He propagated this concept by saying that all your sins will be excused by God if you are reformed. Practical knowledge, the practical realization, which is the reformation, will cancel all your previous bad deeds or sins as told in Gita (Jnanaagnih….). Except this one way, there is no other way to cancel the sins and escape from all the present problems in the world and future torture in the hell.

If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins

The results of all your good actions will be separate and will not interfere with the cancellation of sins. God will give you good results for all your prayers and any prayer will not cancel even a trace of your sin. Similarly, your charity.

If these good actions can reform you, then, your sins will be cancelled. Therefore, reformation of the soul is the only way by which God is pleased to cancel your sins. Even if you do not believe in God, it does not matter. If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins and you will live with immense happiness in the world and after death also.

If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

You cannot please God by prayers and service simultaneously doing sins. If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God and you are insulting God. You cannot please and insult God simultaneously. Therefore, every devotee and servant of God should be careful about the concept of the sin and about the only path to cancel the sin.

tctrills:

Oga at least be mannered even when you disagree.

tctrills:

The curse was not barrenness as you say...

tctrills:

Again not every woman without child is barren. For some it is choice . For example, nuns.

tctrills:

About the man, not everyone does unprofitable work. I don't do unprofitable work. Some don't even need to work to feed.
So again I ask you, were such men spared from the curse?

tctrills:

Oga at least be mannered even when you disagree. The curse was not barrenness as you say. Again not every woman without child is barren. For some it is choice . For example, nuns.
The question is, if you feel Good cursed the woman, that mean those without kids do not suffer the curse.
About the man, not everyone does unprofitable work. I don't do unprofitable work. Some don't even need to work to feed.
So again I ask you, were such men spared from the curse?

Aemmyjah:


How do you reason sef?
Women will experience pains in childbearing. What is hard there? How does that affect women with no child to bear... If someone chooses not to bear children, it is their own choice
If I say that people that have surgical operations will experience pain, will you come and link it to those that do not have such operations?
Note that Jehovah first blessed Adam and Eve which was to pass down to his children and later they were cursed. They (not us) but cos they are imperfect, all their offspring became sinners too and have fallen short of the glory of God and receiving all the imperfections and condemnation as well

Your questions make no sense.
To eat, we need to work hard.
Sweat could be used symbolically for hardwork or something you labor for
Even if you don't do very hard work, we know that getting the food to eat is not as easy as going to pee or breathing oxygen

tctrills:


That's exactly what I am saying. Women who can't or do not give birth do not feel the curse or they escape the so called curse.
And of course, modern improvements in the health sector has made the curse a whole lot bearable.

Again, not everyone needs to work or even to work hard in other to eat.
Take for example, Buhari's son. The guy does not and would not need to work in other to eat and enjoy.
Is Yusuf Buhari spared from the curse?

Getting food for some is easier than using the toilet. The food comes to you wherever you want it.
So let's use Yusuf Buhari as our example since we know he has no job and he is not sweating to feed. Is Yusuf spared from the curse?

Aemmyjah:

How do you reason sef?
Women will experience pains in childbearing. What is hard there? How does that affect women with no child to bear... If someone chooses not to bear children, it is their own choice
If I say that people that have surgical operations will experience pain, will you come and link it to those that do not have such operations?
Note that Jehovah first blessed Adam and Eve which was to pass down to his children and later they were cursed. They (not us) but cos they are imperfect, all their offspring became sinners too and have fallen short of the glory of God and receiving all the imperfections and condemnation as well
Your questions make no sense.
To eat, we need to work hard.
Sweat could be used symbolically for hardwork or something you labor for
Even if you don't do very hard work, we know that getting the food to eat is not as easy as going to pee or breathing oxygen

Aemmyjah:


Yusuf Buhari is in his comfort zone
Let him leave there and be a man of his own

Yet, the guy works and needs to work in order to continue leaving. After his father hands over or dies, he will know that he needs to work

Why do you find exceptions sef?
Mankind is general know it is not easy to put food on the table. Simple as ABC

We know that science are trying to lessen pain during childbirth
But the pains do not always begin at childbirth. It begins before that. Serena williams almost died while giving birth. Many have died and some have had complications that they may not have children again
Whatever the case, childbirth is not a pleasurable period for a woman

tctrills:

I don't know what tribe you come from but in most place respect is not about the quality of a question asked,

Braveboi1:
op isi aduro gi nma

tctrills:


Oga what are you talking about. There are and there have been men who never worked and never needed to work throught history.
Go read your history books, you would learn of many royal lineages that did no work and spent all their lives in comfort.
Even in today's world many billionaires keep funds for generation unborn.
Please browse The Vanderbilt family. For 2 generations no one in the family had to work. We're those 2 generations immuned from the curse?
Yes, mankind generally knows it's hard to put food on the table but there are people not living by that rule.
In case you don't know, there are people who's entire lives are funded.
Now my point is that if God created a woman to be barren, that means she was not created to taste the so called curse of childbirth.

tctrills:
God told Adam, In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground.
So I ask, is hardwork a curse?
Also those born into super wealthy families like trustfund children are the spared from the curse? Since they don't need to suffer.
Same Goes for the woman, women who never have kids, are they spared from the curse?

Aemmyjah:


How do you reason sef?...

Dtruthspeaker:


See it another person has called you mad

Aemmyjah:


Lol
No de do like old women
I did not call him mad
His line of thought is strange
Even small children won't reason that way

It's like the god of atheism, Satan is really calling him

Dtruthspeaker:


The thoughts and words of mad people are always twisted and strange.

Atheism makes people mad!

tctrills:
God told Adam, In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground.
So I ask, is hardwork a curse?
Also those born into super wealthy families like trustfund children are the spared from the curse? Since they don't need to suffer.
Same Goes for the woman, women who never have kids, are they spared from the curse?

NNTR:
Genesis 3:17
To Adam he said,
“Because you listened to your wife is
and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.

Genesis 4:9-12
9And the LORD said to Cain,
“Where is your brother Abel?”
“I do not know!” he answered.
“Am I my brother’s keeper?”
10 “What have you done?” replied the LORD.
“The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground.
11Now you (i.e. Cain) are cursed and banished from the ground,
which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand.
12 When [whenever] you till the ground, it will no longer yield its produce to you.
You will be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth.”

It's as clear as crystal in Genesis 3:17, that, Adam was never told that he is cursed, though it is his disobedience and especially the deviant act, he committed that caused the ground to become cursed, meaning, the ground turned wild and rogue and so would no longer be at the beck and call of man nor yield easily for him

Now if, Genesis 4:11, is examined, it is as clear as crystal, that Cain, is told, that he is cursed et cetera

So answering your question, man was never cursed in Genesis 3.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Dtruthspeaker:


See it another person has called you mad

Aemmyjah:


They were in pleasant situations
It was the Man, Adam that God cursed and not him and his children. Yet, we cannot escape sin, imperfections and death

How old are you?
How and why will God create a woman to be barren?
Go and start to read the Bible

tctrills:
A barren woman can have sorrow in barrenness but never sorrow in conception.

Aemmyjah:


Yusuf Buhari is in his comfort zone
Let him leave there and be a man of his own

Yet, the guy works and needs to work in order to continue leaving. After his father hands over or dies, he will know that he needs to work

Why do you find exceptions sef?
Mankind is general know it is not easy to put food on the table. Simple as ABC

We know that science are trying to lessen pain during childbirth
But the pains do not always begin at childbirth. It begins before that. Serena williams almost died while giving birth. Many have died and some have had complications that they may not have children again
Whatever the case, childbirth is not a pleasurable period for a woman

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you prove you are mad.

Everyone except you know that barrenness is lack of conception of conception but obviously you are not normal enough to know that.

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you prove you are mad.

Everyone except you know that barrenness is lack of conception of conception but obviously you are not normal enough to know that.