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PeaceJoyLove:
You aren't sure of yourself. The underlined words show me you are not sure of yourself. You arent even sure the choice to be an atheist is the right one. I was expecting to read: The problem here is that you are talking to someone who is sure everything in the Bible is incorrect.

I suggest you read my posts on your thread again. They will make more sense to you later. And if you are patient with the Bible, it will make sense to you.

I am open-minded, when did I tell you that I’m absolutely atheist? Seems you reach conclusions fast.

Nothing makes sense in the Bible today, it doesn’t matter how you try to paint it. But I’m open to new ideas if someone can justify whatever happened the Bible with evidence.
You don’t tell me to give the Bible patience, damn you don’t even know me. I have read the Bible since I was a little kid, I preached Sunday schools, studied severally and you are telling me about giving the Bible patience.

It’s not my fault if I don’t believe the Bible. Like I said, if the evidence were available, I will believe it.

FatherOfJesus:
The difference between a physics textbook and the Bible is evidence.
The Bible never provides evidence for anything hence rational people don’t believe it

Where is your proof that the Bible provides no evidence? Should we believe you just because you said so?

Because, like Satan they know that the best way to kill a man is use what he likes!

I knew one of you was gonna raise this issue.

FatherOfJesus:
The difference between a physics textbook and the Bible is evidence.
The Bible never provides evidence for anything hence rational people don’t believe it

How many times have I given you evidence as Supplied by the Bible and YOU COULD NOT ANSWER, rather you started hurling and howling Curses?

Answer! About 28 Issues spanning over 10 Threads, And On Every Occasion YOU LOST, as you Admitted!

Always Howling and Cursing as a wounded man!

Let me take Cover, More Curses Acoming!

Simple!

Because the so called Christians do not really and diligently seek to know and understand the Bible lest they be Condemned for knowing and understanding and failing to act in this understanding whilst the Haters of God study his Word back to back, restlessly and with a fine tooth comb seeking for anything to Condemn Him with!

Ihedinobi3:
Where is your proof that the Bible provides no evidence? Should we believe you just because you said so?

Same way I don’t have proof that the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t have evidence.

EmekaBlue:
Most were good Christians before they stopped believing in God due to unanswered prayers or one thing or the other

True, save for the part of "good Christians". They thought themselves "good"

1) because they sat at home and did nothing; No play, No fight, No quarrel because they could naturally do these things.

2) because they nearly always did what mommy and daddy said, even if they suffered to accomplish it.

PeaceJoyLove:
They absolutely do more than millions self acclaimed christians. I'm a christian, and I know what I am saying. Goodluck sir.

They need to do more than Christians now if not how can they successfully Annoy God, Destroy man especially the Followers of God by doing nothing?

So of course they must do lot of things with which you would applaud and then thereafter, you must listen to all they have to say.

The Weapon of Using Good Things to Lie and kill!

orisa37:
The Bible is THEN, NOW AND LATER.

THE BIBLE IS LIGHT, GOOD, LIFE, FAITH HOPE PEACE AND LOVE.

THE BIBLE IS ENDTIME AND NEW JERUSALEMS

THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST, THE RIGHTEOUS.

THE BIBLE IS INFALLIBLE.

ATHEISTS DON'T KNOW THE BIBLE. THE MOMENT THEY KNOW THE BIBLE LIKE THE
LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD, CHRISTIANS, THEY BECOME REAL AND KNOW GOD.

ATHEISTS DON'T KNOW THE BIBLE IF THEY DON'T KNOW GOD. FOR IF THEY KNOW GOD, THEY'LL KNOW THAT THEY'RE JESUSES, ANOINTED LORDS, TO GOD.

JESUS IS THE LORD.

If God does really exist, it wouldn’t take about 200,000years of humans walking on this planet to provide that evidence. In recent years, it seems that Christians provide more and more lies to justify something that has no evidence and that has been a claim for about 200,000years.
The earth is 4.5billion years and no single evidence for your God, that must be frustrating

It didn’t even take up to 50years for us to start seeing the evidence for theory of evolution since after Charles Darwin proposed it. Or didn’t take up to 80years before the evidence for Albert Einstein theory of relativity started showing.

It must be a shame that after 200,000 years still no evidence for your god, we will all die and still no evidence will ever exist.

FatherOfJesus:
I am open-minded, when did I tell you that I’m absolutely atheist? Seems you reach conclusions fast.

Oh Open-minded. Ok
But read below somewhere you quoted me recently.

FatherOfJesus:
I'm atheist and a non-proponent of Homosexuality. I also have a background in biochemistry. I totally dont want homosexuality to reign supreme but I also think it has a genetic undertone though in some cases, it's caused by society factors.
maybe we cannot call it a gay gene though but genes that affect the proportionate production of testosterone and estrogens play a vital role in homosexuality. I see homosexuality as a medical and psychological conditions but the society doesn't want to treat it in that manner

Can you see where you said you are an atheist?

Nothing makes sense in the Bible today, it doesn’t matter how you try to paint it. But I’m open to new ideas if someone can justify whatever happened the Bible with evidence.

So many things make sense in the Bible to me, maybe not to you, and it ok. No one can justify a personal relationship you are to have with Christ. You want someone to convince you. Sorry, it doesnt happen like this. You definite sound like yourself in your opening post:

FatherOfJesus:
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If you read buy a Bible and allow someone else to interpret it for you, you will become a normal Christian.
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Hmmm!

You don’t tell me to give the Bible patience, damn you don’t even know me. I have read the Bible since I was a little kid, I preached Sunday schools, studied severally and you are telling me about giving the Bible patience.

It’s not my fault if I don’t believe the Bible. Like I said, if the evidence were available, I will believe it.

Bro, if I say you should be patient again, you can lose it with me. I understand the feeling. What I know is that it is not Jesus' fault you do not understand His words. The ÒNLY suggestion I have is that: just be attentive and sensitive. Going to Sunday schools is not enough. Your teachers there did not even understand it must like you also didnt understand it yet they made you a teacher. This is the real problem.

From what I see, you are still looking around for the meaning of life. It is well.

PeaceJoyLove:
Oh Open-minded. Ok
But read below somewhere you quoted me recently.


Can you see where you said you are an atheist?


So many things make sense in the Bible to me, maybe not to you, and it ok. No one can justify a personal relationship you are to have with Christ. You want someone to convince you. Sorry, it doesnt happen like this. You definite sound like yourself in your opening post:



Hmmm!



Bro, if I say you should be patient again, you can lose it with me. I understand the feeling. What I know is that it is not Jesus' fault you do not understand His words. The ÒNLY suggestion I have is that: just be attentive and sensitive. Going to Sunday schools is not enough. Your teachers there do not even understand it must like you also didnt understand it yet they made you a teacher. This is the real problem.

From what I see, you are still looking around for the meaning of life. It is well.

Agnostic Atheist, that’s what I am, I don’t believe in God because there no evidence for his existence however, If I see evidence, I will change my mind.

There’s no need writing long epistles, I can bring a Bible passage and if you provide evidence that it actually happened, I will change my mind.

It seems you like long unnecessary epistles.

FatherOfJesus:
Agnostic Atheist, that’s what I am, I don’t believe in God because there no evidence for his existence however, If I see evidence, I will change my mind.

There’s no need writing long epistles, I can bring a Bible passage and if you provide evidence that it actually happened, I will change my mind.

It seems you like long unnecessary epistles.

It seems you like repetition. I cant prove anything to you because I don't have such time. I don't have time for useless debates. You can go to areas where there aren't proofs...and the proof you are looking for...you.will not get it. Meanwhile, there are many things which happened in the Bible and archaeologists are beginning to prove them. I dont debate with someone who is already closed. You arent....you are just confused. And debating with a confused person is dangerous. You cannot boldly even say what you believe or do not believe. That is all. And really, you aren't an atheist yet. I guess you are just a partial atheist online. Meanwhile, you may still be attending church services. Anyway, goodluck!

Take care!

Dtruthspeaker:
They need to do more than Christians now if not how can they successfully Annoy God, Destroy man especially the Followers of God by doing nothing?

So of course they must do lot of things with which you would applaud and then thereafter, you must listen to all they have to say.

The Weapon of Using Good Things to Lie and kill!

Really, I do not understand you.

PeaceJoyLove:
It seems you like repetition. I cant prove anything to you because I don't have such time. I don't have time for useless debates. You can go to areas where there aren't proofs...and the proof you are looking for...you.will not get it. Meanwhile, there are many things which happened in the Bible and archaeologists are beginning to prove them. I dont debate with someone who is already closed. You arent....you are just confused. And debating with a confused person is dangerous. You cannot boldly even say what you believe or do not believe. That is all. And really, you aren't an atheist yet. I guess you are just a partial atheist online. Meanwhile, you may still be attending church services. Anyway, goodluck!

Take care!

Seems like you are doing more debate than I am. You have obviously typed more words per comments here.

You could just walk away if you don’t have evidence, it’s a typical Christian strategy.

FatherOfJesus:
Same way I don’t have proof that the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t have evidence.

Well, the above is certainly gibberish.

FatherOfJesus:
Seems like you are doing more debate than I am. You have obviously typed more words per comments here.

You could just walk away if you don’t have evidence, it’s a typical Christian strategy.

I discuss, I dont debate. You read me well, be specific, but you kept saying the Bible is this and that. I even asked why not the Quran? Lol. In another place you claimed to be a biochemist...and i told you neatly what you needed to hear. Did you return there?

Keep looking for what King James removed or added...do you hear me. It's not i that will prove or disprove that for you.

I have engaged atheist..oga, you are not one. Go and make peace with your God. You that cant even boldly say you are an atheist. One time you are an atheist, another time you questioned me where you told me you are one. And then you are ago....whatever atheist. You are even afraid to point to a specific place in the Bible. You just keep moving around like the barber's chair. To say you are an atheist is wahala...to point places you have hard time with is a problem. Can you see how confused you are?

Like I say...I do not have your time since I see that you did not research the Bible well. If you have really done it, I know the level and how you should talk. When I see an atheist who has researched the Bible excellently, I know such. Oga, you know what your teachers taught you. You didnt make any deep research.

Return and start crossing out what James and his boys put in it wrongly. There are other organizations too who did such too. But with all that was done, the WORD is still life.

Keep looking for what is not lost. Goodluck!

Ihedinobi3:
Well, the above is certainly gibberish.

Can you disprove that?

PeaceJoyLove:
I discuss, I dont debate. You read me well, be specific, but you kept saying the Bible is this and that. I even asked why not the Quran? Lol. In another place you claimed to be a biochemist...and i told you neatly what you needed to hear. Did you return there?

Keep looking for what King James removed or added...do you hear me. It's not i that will prove or disprove that for you.

I have engaged atheist..oga, you are not one. Go and make peace with your God. You that cant even boldly say you are an atheist. One time you are an atheist, another time you questioned me where you told me you are one. And then you are ago....whatever atheist. You are even afraid to point to a specific place in the Bible. You just keep moving around like the barber's chair. To say you are an atheist is wahala...to point places you have hard time with is a problem. Can you see how confused you are?

Like I say...I do not have your time since I see that you did not research the Bible well. If you have really done it, I know the level and how you should talk. When I see an atheist who has researched the Bible excellently, I know such. Oga, you know what your teachers taught you. You didnt make any deep research.

Return and start crossing out what James and his boys put in it wrongly. There are other organizations too who did such too. But with all that was done, the WORD is still life.

Keep looking for what is not lost. Goodluck!

If you discuss how come nothing you typed has anything to do with the topic?

I’m not having personal discussion with you, God doesn’t exist and I’m clear on that unless evidence is provided.

You don’t need the distractions if you really want to discuss. There’s no need jumping into conclusions like you do in religion

FatherOfJesus:
Can you disprove that?

First, you completely missed the point of my first answer and prattled on about evidence.

Second, you missed the point of my question and are prattling on about my disproving the gibberish you wrote.

Find something else to waste your time on. That's my advice. But you should do whatever you want.

MaxInDHouse:
So what's your point?

Because i was searching for divine wisdom not just knowledge about stories that correlates i've heard lots of Ìtàn and àló as a Yorùbá child!

There is nothing like Divine wisdom, some of the greatest people to grace the pulpit in recent history are more of humanist than just stupidly religious. Wisdom has more to way you perceive life, that is why I respect the likes of Matthew kukah not some silly folks like pastor Chris and sulaiman with their multitudes of fools. Sometimes what you guys call Divine wisdom is just your emotions playing tricks on you. For instance in the book of exodus the Israelites were commanded to commit genocide, just like what the jihadist believe today, you will condenm their actions but the ones you read in your Bible because you believe your God is right, now if your own is right, theirs is also right since they are both Divine instructions.
Now back to the issue of correlation, there is a popular saying if you don't know your past, then you are not ready for the future. The old testament is just a lift off from Hebrew culture. Whether Christian or or Muslims you have a link to that culture whether you like or not

Ihedinobi3:
First, you completely missed the point of my first answer and prattled on about evidence.

Second, you missed the point of my question and are prattling on about my disproving the gibberish you wrote.

Find something else to waste your time on. That's my advice. But you should do whatever you want.

If it’s gibberish then disprove it, if you cannot disprove it then I cannot disprove anything in the Bible.
This clearly shows that the burden of proof is on that person claiming the positive. You cannot ask someone to disprove something that you have not initially provided any evidence for.

If the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is gibberish to you, the Bible is also gibberish to me.

Lol

FatherOfJesus:
If it’s gibberish then disprove it, if you cannot disprove it then I cannot disprove anything in the Bible.
This clearly shows that the burden of proof is on that person claiming the positive. You cannot ask someone to disprove something that you have not initially provided any evidence for.

If the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is gibberish to you, the Bible is also gibberish to me.

Lol

More gibberish.

I don't believe you know the first thing about philosophy or debating.

Ihedinobi3:
More gibberish.

I don't believe you know the first thing about philosophy or debating.

I see you know a lot after your inability to establish burden of proof. Lol

Ihedinobi3:
More gibberish.

I don't believe you know the first thing about philosophy or debating.

No Christian can survive philosophical arguments, they always find a way to runaway which will be your case after this debate.

FatherOfJesus:
I see you know a lot after your inability to establish burden of proof. Lol

Burden of proof always lies with anyone who makes a claim. If you say anything, you're responsible to prove it. If you say that there is no evidence for something, you're responsible to prove that there isn't.

Ihedinobi3:
Burden of proof always lies with anyone who makes a claim. If you say anything, you're responsible to prove it. If you say that there is no evidence for something, you're responsible to prove that there isn't.

You skipped philosophy class when they were explaining positive and negative claims and Russell’s teapot.
It’s obvious, your god is not any more valid than the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Unless you proof your God exist.

You were the person with the first initial claim that a god exist.

FatherOfJesus:
No Christian can survive philosophical arguments, they always find a way to runaway which will be your case after this debate.

"This debate"? What debate? You couldn't even make a meaningful response to my first response and all of a sudden we're in a debate? What are we debating, please?

As for philosophical arguments, this is my tenth year of apologetics. And you've probably never heard of Alvin Platings and William Lane Craig. I don't necessarily agree with them in most things, but you don't know enough to make the foolish claims you're making all over your thread.

FatherOfJesus:
You skipped philosophy class when they were explaining positive and negative claims and Russell’s teapot.
It’s obvious, your god is not any more valid than the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Unless you proof your God exist.

You were the person with the first initial claim that a god exist.

LOL. Philosophy class. Like you've ever been in one in your whole life.

Ihedinobi3:
"This debate"? What debate? You couldn't even make a meaningful response to my first response and all of a sudden we're in a debate? What are we debating, please?

As for philosophical arguments, this is my tenth year of apologetics. And you've probably never heard of Alvin Platings and William Lane Craig. I don't necessarily agree with them in most things, but you don't know enough to make the foolish claims you're making all over your thread.

There is no point committing fallacy of ad hominem.

If you don’t have evidence for your god, don’t get furious when people question it, we are all not blind believers. Channel the furry toward looking for evidence, I’m not the source of all your problems

Ihedinobi3:
LOL. Philosophy class. Like you've ever been in one in your whole life.

That is still not evidence for your God, until you proof he does, he doesn’t exist.

FatherOfJesus:
There is no point committing fallacy of ad hominem.

If you don’t have evidence for your god, don’t get furious when people question it, we are all not blind believers. Channel the furry toward looking for evidence, I’m not the source of all your problems

LOL. Now the fallacies start getting thrown about! Ad hominem! Do you even know what it means?

If your claims are foolish, then you make foolish claims. You haven't tracked a single discussion we've had until now. You just keep waddling about like a drunken sailor and think you're being a genius.

Whether or not you believe it, I really don't care what you believe. It's not my problem at all, so I have no fury to spare on you. I just thought to indulge your great intelligence just this once. I haven't played with an arrogant atheist in a very long time now.

FatherOfJesus:
That is still not evidence for your God, until you proof he does, he doesn’t exist.

What a load of bunk!