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raumdeuter:
What is the fact in claiming ovbredo aided Barcelona when he actually aided Chelsea by giving Abidal a red

Ovrebo’s cheating was after Iniesta got the equalizer.

He’s admitted to it.

Illimitable:
United hadn’t won the league in 3 years before Jose was appointed. The annoying part was that United’s best position was 4th which they achieved once. Fergie never finished below 3rd in his last 20 years at Old Trafford.

United weren’t in trouble?

Madrid couldn’t go past round of 16 in the CL(a competition they had won 9 times) for 6 consecutive seasons. Pep was shitting on every club in La Liga. He had won the league twice in a row before Jose was brought in to stop the rot.

Madrid weren’t in trouble?

Before Pep joined Barcelona they were trophyless. in 12months won every trophy he contested

Illimitable:
Ovrebo’s cheating was after Iniesta got the equalizer.

He’s admitted to it.

So giving Abidal a red for a non contact was not cheating?

raumdeuter:
Before Pep joined Barcelona they were trophyless. in 12months won every trophy he contested

They won CL in 2006 & they have won it after Pep left.

Have Porto/Inter won CL since Jose left? No
Have Porto/Inter reached a final since? No
Have Porto/Inter reached a semifinal since? No

Mourinho is a miracle worker.

raumdeuter:
Pep won the sextuple at Barcelona
Pep broke the EPL points record, what was thought impossible, he made 100points

Mourinho ended Pep's Barcelona (arguably the greatest team at the time) La liga dominance, Mou beat Pep in the copa del rey final and won La liga with a record of 100 point. Hate him or not, Mourinho is a born winner and the greatest manager ever...

Mourinho with 226 points

This argument is over.

IFFHS has ended this debate. Pep is struggling below 200 points and the toxic, archaic, negative, ancient manager is leading in the last 20 years?

I doff my hat for Mourinho.

TrebleChamp:
Oga which financial backing? Jose's most expensive signing at Madrid was Luca Modric at €31m, Di Maria for €29m, Fabio Coentrao for €27m,Ozil for €16m, Khedira for €12m. Pep bought this player during his tenure as Barcelona Manager, Zlatan from Inter for €69m, David Villa for €40m, Dani Alves for €35.5m, Fabregas for €34m and Alexis Sanchez for €24m.

All this players including two previous world best players together with xabi Alonso,modric,nuhu sahin,cavalho name them is what I call backing .

TrebleChamp:
Mourinho ended Pep's Barcelona (arguably the greatest team at the time) La liga dominance, Mou beat Pep in the copa del rey final and won La liga with a record of 100 point. Hate him or not, Mourinho is a born winner and the greatest manager ever... www.nairaland.com/attachments/13405459_img20210416180530_jpege5718bfdb76e77b5e6017d9df5826e75

Are you not ashamed to show this image?

A 20yr rating, How long did Mourinho coach in those 20yrs and how many yrs did Pep Ferguson and others coach?

Illimitable:
They won CL in 2006 & they have won it after Pep left.

Have Porto/Inter won CL since Jose left? No
Have Porto/Inter reached a final since? No
Have Porto/Inter reached a semifinal since? No

Mourinho is a miracle worker.

Madrid have won it since Jose left,
Chelsea have won it since Jose left

Illimitable:
Mourinho with 226 points

This argument is over.

IFFHS has ended this debate. Pep is struggling below 200 points and the toxic, archaic, negative, ancient manager is leading in the last 20 years?

I doff my hat for Mourinho.

226 points over 20yrs vs 180 points over 12yrs

Do the Math while I wait

raumdeuter:
Madrid have won it since Jose left,
Chelsea have won it since Jose left

Every club Pep has managed has won the CL since Pep left them.

Can you say the same about Mourinho? No

raumdeuter:
226 points over 20yrs vs 180 points over 12yrs

Do the Math while I wait

Mourinho had gap years in those 20 years and he managed plenty of underdog clubs while Pep only goes where failure is impossible.

Mourinho has 4 IFFHS awards in 20 years
Guardiola has 2 IFFHS awards in 12 years

Do the math while I wait.

Man City dey slaughter our Boys...... chei.

Illimitable:
Every club Pep has managed has won the CL since Pep left them.

Can you say the same about Mourinho? No

What's the meaning of this? Like izzit meant to be a bragging right or what?

handelex:
What's the meaning of this? Like izzit meant to be a bragging right or what?

It is.....

The fact that other managers have done it immediately rubbishes Pep’s achievement and indicates he’s not special.

How long ago the clubs had won it before the manager’s arrival also indicates the mentality the manager had to beat to win it.

Illimitable:
Clubs that won them 45/50 years ago.

Are you suggesting the same players that won them back then were the same ones Jose won them with?

No,the thing with UCL is that ,it is likely to favour teams that had previously won it before, than newcomer. That is why even if Atletico Madrid tries they will still get beaten by Madrid in finals. Can't you see there are no new winners in UCL all this while save for Chelsea.

The same way Jose Mourinho led Porto and inter Milan to UCL finals is the same way Diego simeone has led Atletico Madrid to UCL finals but history came to pass.
You think its beans that Atletico Madrid were in possession in the 92th minute but real Madrid found a way to take the to extra time ?
Thierry Henry missing chances against Barcelona is all part of UCL jinx.
Terry a sport kick way from winning in 2008 was part of UCL jinx


UCL jinx is real .

Mourinho did nothing special winning ucl with clubs who have previously won it .

Illimitable:
It is.....

The fact that other managers have done it immediately rubbishes Pep’s achievement and indicates he’s not special.

How long ago the clubs had won it before the manager’s arrival also indicates the mentality the manager had to beat to win it.

Rubbish.

A good manager leaves a solid foundation for his successor to build on and continue the winning culture not burning everything down and leaving a toxic environment behind.

That Mourinho won something in his first season at United was the work of Van Gaal which he destroyed and we are here today.

raumdeuter:
Imagine Madrid with Ronaldo is an underdog to what

I have heard worse from Jose Mourinho fans.

handelex:
Rubbish.

A good manager leaves a solid foundation for his successor to build on and continue the winning culture not burning everything down and leaving a toxic environment behind.

That Mourinho won something in his first season at United was the work of Van Gaal which he destroyed and we are here today.

You mean the same LVG that got into CL, got demoted into Europa and still got battered by bottom tier teams?

Mourinho left a solid foundation in every club he’s been. Chelsea wouldn’t be a big club today without Mourinho - even long after he left, his 4-3-3 formation was kept for many many years.

That Mourinho won something was the reason he was able to use his charisma to charm players like Zlatan & Pogba to the club while in a Europa spot.

popizaino:
No,the thing with UCL is that ,it is likely to favour teams that had previously won it before, than newcomer. That is why even if Atletico Madrid tries they will still get beaten by Madrid in finals. Can't you see there are no new winners in UCL all this while save for Chelsea.

The same way Jose Mourinho led Porto and inter Milan to UCL finals is the same way Diego simeone has led Atletico Madrid to UCL finals but history came to pass.
You think its beans that Atletico Madrid were in possession in the 92th minute but real Madrid found a way to take the to extra time ?
Thierry Henry missing chances against Barcelona is all part of UCL jinx.
Terry a sport kick way from winning in 2008 was part of UCL jinx


UCL jinx is real .

Mourinho did nothing special winning ucl with clubs who have previously won it .

I like your line of thinking because you actually identify there’s a jinx and a mentality to beat. However, this jinx still exists for clubs that stopped winning after a certain number of years(I would say after 5 seasons).

Look at how long Liverpool suffered to win the PL. They hadn’t won it in 30 years. They came close in 2014 and Gerrard slipped. They came close in 2009 and Rafa Benitez meltdown happened live on TV attacking SAF.

This is Liverpool that had won the league 18 times and then failed to win it for a 30 year period. The jinx is real. Look at Arsenal since invincibles? Look at United - already charting the same territory.

It would take a serial winning manager to deliver another league title at United. I just hope and pray it won’t take 30-40 years like Liverpool.

Illimitable:
You mean the same LVG that got into CL, got demoted into Europa and still got battered by bottom tier teams?

Mourinho left a solid foundation in every club he’s been. Chelsea wouldn’t be a big club today without Mourinho - even long after he left, his 4-3-3 formation was kept for many many years.

That Mourinho won something was because was able to use his charisma to charm players like Zlatan & Pogba to the club while in a Europa spot.

He should be grateful LVG gave him an easy tournament to win, a tournament he called rubbish.

If he left solid foundations at all the clubs he's been to, why are you bragging about those clubs not being able to replicate what he achieved when he was there ala Porto and Inter, even United?

Even the Chelsea you're talking about sacked his ass last time around before he destroys the legacy he had there.

So much for foundations.

handelex:
It was a slip of fingers

Illimitable:
Pogba has a World Cup, so does Mendy.

Mourinho won CL with Porto & Inter(both teams have not tasted a semifinal since Jose left them) which shows only a genius can achieve such feats.

Where’s Pogba’s champions league by the way? He’s been playing that competition since 2012 and he’s got nothing to show for it.

Why didn't he win same trophy with Madrid and Chelsea who won it after he left.

Illimitable:
Mourinho didn’t take United to Europa league, LVG did.

Mourinho inherited the problem. He didn’t want to play in it and the only time he played in it as a United manager, he won it to get into Champions League.

The Norwegian fraud deliberately crashed in the Champions League to demote himself into Europa league - to make another attempt at his semifinal hoodoo.

So they can read it clearly....

handelex:
He should be grateful LVG gave him an easy tournament to win, a tournament he called rubbish.

Only Jose could have won that tournament out of all the managers that have managed United. Ole, SAF, LVG all got into Europa & they got battered. I still remember Bielsa’s Bilbao playing Ferguson’s boys off the park.

handelex:
If he left solid foundations at all the clubs he's been to, why are you bragging about those clubs not being to replicate what he achieved when he was there ala Porto and Inter, even United?

If he also overachieved, they will never be able to replicate what he achieved. Mourinho winning the CL with those teams is like Ranieri winning PL with Leicester.

handelex:
Even the Chelsea you're talking about sacked his ass last time around before he destroys the legacy he had there.

So much for foundations.

Ancelotti has been sacked 11 times, he’s won more CL titles than Mourinho and Pep.

Only amateurs use sacking as a crutch in an argument. What has sacking gotta do with anything?

handelex:
The funny thing is I even want him to win it cos I don't want Pep to clear all the cups.

I want him to win it so players like Kane can finally have a medal....

TrebleChamp:
I want him to win it so players like Kane can finally have a medal....

Even if he does that, they would say Kane is too big for carling cup medal. They never give Jose any credits.

Mourinho has turned Kane into a monster - top goal scorer, top assist charts. Does he get any credits for making Kane a complete forward? No.

All we ever hear is his toxicity, dinosaur tactics & negative football.

Meanwhile, Shaw has only 5 assists(28th in the league) and every time you put the TV on, the subject is always how Ole has turned Shaw into the best left back in the league.

Illimitable:
Only Jose could have won that tournament out of all the managers that have managed United. Ole, SAF, LVG all got into Europa & they got battered. I still remember Bielsa’s Bilbao playing Ferguson’s boys off the park.

Don't push it abeg
United had the easiest route for that Europa League win in decades, we even nearly blew it in the semis Celta Vigo.

If he also overachieved, they will never be able to replicate what he achieved. Mourinho winning the CL with those teams is like Ranieri winning PL with Leicester.

Mourinho overachieved at United? No wonder he has brainwashed your likes that finishing 2nd with us was the best he had achieved in his career.

Ancelotti has been sacked 11 times, he’s won more CL titles than Mourinho and Pep.

Only amateurs use sacking as a crutch in an argument. What has sacking gotta do with anything?

You're sacked when you're no longer performing or turned to shit at your job. Sacking means nothing to you yet you're calling for Ole's head at the moment.

TrebleChamp:
I want him to win it so players like Kane can finally have a medal....

If he doesn't, Kane might want to leave in the summer.

handelex:
Don't push it abeg
United had the easiest route for that Europa League win in decades, we even nearly blew it in the semis Celta Vigo.

There’s nothing like easiest route. You can only beat what is put in front of you. Did Mourinho decide who United will play?

Why couldn’t SAF beat Bilbao in 2012? You mean Bilbao was bigger than SAF’s United?

handelex:
Mourinho overachieved at United? No wonder he has brainwashed your likes that finishing 2nd with us was the best he had achieved in his career.

If he didn’t overachieve by winning 3 trophies and finishing 2nd(81 points), why did Ole spend £150m on the defence? He should have thought he could win with what Jose won with, don’t you think?

handelex:
You're sacked when you're no longer performing or turned to shit at your job. Sacking means nothing to you yet you're calling for Ole's head at the moment.

That’s not even remotely true.

Jose was sacked in 2007 with only 2 points behind the leaders(Arsenal) in September. Are you suggesting Mourinho was no longer performing with just being 2 points behind the leaders in September?

If we use the same yardstick for every manager, do you know how many times Ole, Pep or Klopp would have been sacked in the last 3 years?

raumdeuter:
Are you not ashamed to show this image?

A 20yr rating, How long did Mourinho coach in those 20yrs and how many yrs did Pep Ferguson and others coach?

For the purpose of this argument, the rating shows Jose as the best and Pep a distant 4th. But my main point was that Jose bested Pep in La liga, beating him in a Cup Final and breaking La liga points winning record.

handelex:
If he doesn't, Kane might want to leave in the summer.

I would love to see him at United, but his injury history is a concern. Still a phenomenal player anyday when fit.....