TAO11:
Thank you oo!

@gregyboy, please note that I have a dictionary of Bini language right here in case you will turn around to tell us that “Obaseki” means “Shinning-seki” or “Red-seki”.

Buhaaaahahaha .

That one na airhead; olodo rabata.

Colonization has really made people dumb.

The only title the Oba of Benin has ever carried is Oba. All these stories you read and hear are mere fairytales. History is an investigative work backed by eyewitness written documents.


Here are the facts:

1) Benin was a developed empire
2) the capital of Benin is called Benin city
3) Ife was a village with a shrine and a shrine keeper (oni)
4) Ife was under the alafin of oyo Kingdom
5) the british started developing Ife as from 1912

TAO11:
Well, it’s not by logic. It’s by what the earliest already documented Benin accounts says.

The oldest received accounts of Benin history says that Eweka 1 is the first Oba of Benin

But you didn’t answer my question 1 and 2 Lol.

Side Note:
Isn’t Iginuwa the first Olu of the Itsekiris? What has his father or Ozolua got to do with ruling Itsekiri?

If you can observe his tune he is ascribing seniority to the warri stool on the basis of the fact that iginuwa was the older of the two sons and I tried to let him know that the exact same scenario played out between Benin and Oyo. from what I know Eweka was oronmiyan's first son

UGBE634:
If you can observe his tune he is ascribing seniority to the warri stool on the basis of the fact that iginuwa was the older of the two sons and I tried to let him know that the exact same scenario played out between Benin and Oyo. from what I know Eweka was oronmiyan's first son

There was no oranmiyan ! In which language shall you be told this simple fact ?
When will your brain grow smart enough to stop peddling fairytales ?

Truthshots2:
[s]Colonization has really made people dumb.
The only title the Oba of Benin has ever carried is Oba. All these stories you read and hear are mere fairytales. History is an investigative work backed by eyewitness written documents.

Here are the facts:

1) Benin was a developed empire
2) the capital of Benin is called Benin city
3) Ife was a village with a shrine and a shrine keeper (oni)
4) Ife was under the alafin of oyo Kingdom
5) the british started developing Ife as from 1912[/s]

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13414212_screenshot2021040910443142_jpeg0db8cf122c7ae82adead239dd2f6cbcb

“What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.” ~ Hitchens’s razor.

Furthermore, if your map is your alleged evidence for your load of jibber-jabber, then my early map attached below should also mean that Guinea once cOnQuErEd and cOLoNiZed Benin kingdom as well as every inch of land in the W/African forest region.

Truthshots2:
[s]There was no oranmiyan ! In which language shall you be told this simple fact ?[/s]

“What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.” ~ Hitchens’s razor.

Cc: UGBE634

TAO11:
@gregyboy, here is your brother confessing unknowingly that the actual Bini word for “king” is “OGIE”.

Oba is the loan term from your masters — the Yorubas.

Who is a Duke, a Duke is a ruler of a small town
In that small town that ruler is a king(oba), that doesn't mean he is an obs, but descriptively he is an oba

Likewise ogie= a ruler of a small town, in that town he is the king(oba) so his title could be use interchangeably depending on the sentence

Ogie means= royal, king

Oba = king of all king and all royal

gregyboy:
[s]Who is a Duke, a Duke is a ruler of a small town
In that small town that ruler is a king(oba), that doesn't mean he is an obs, but descriptively he is an oba

Likewise ogie= a ruler of a small town, in that town he is the king(oba) so his title could be use interchangeably depending on the sentence

Ogie means= royal, king

Oba = king of all king and all royal[/s]

I am waiting for the Benin-English lexicon/dictionary with which your load of jibber-jabber can be substantiated.

gregyboy:



The oba of benin is just playing some mental games with the yorubas, it just yoy that is taking it personal and holding it as truth instead of a game

You are such a clown.

TAO11:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

Cc/ UGBE634

The OGIAMIEN family who fought oronmiyan is still very much in Benin today,

UGBE634:
The OGIAMIEN family who fought oronmiyan is still very much in Benin today,

Don’t mind that dullard.

In social media, the word of an idiot and that of a smart person occupy the same space, that has a tendency to make the idiot believe he is smart.
It is pitiful when people don't realize how dumb they are.

TAO11:
Same old lies requires same refutation.

Tell a new lie for a change.

UGBE634:
If you can observe his tune he is ascribing seniority to the warri stool on the basis of the fact that iginuwa was the older of the two sons and I tried to let him know that the exact same scenario played out between Benin and Oyo. from what I know Eweka was oronmiyan's first son

that is between you and the yorubas we are brothers wen u guys stop interfering in our issues especially imasuen izoduwa

Truthshots2:
[s]In social media, the word of an idiot and that of a smart person occupy the same space, that has a tendency to make the idiot believe he is smart.
It is pitiful when people don't realize how dumb they are.[/s]

This one has been debunked into oblivion & sober mood.

Try harder with your lies. You can do this.

Truthshots2:
In social media, the word of an idiot and that of a smart person occupy the same space, that has a tendency to make the idiot believe he is smart.
It is pitiful when people don't realize how dumb they are.

Don't tell me you are fed up already and contemplating on deleting your moniker and disappearing again. Omo e no easy ooo

UGBE634:
The OGIAMIEN family who fought oronmiyan is still very much in Benin today,

1) prove that oromiyan existed
2) prove that oromiyan whose existence is yet to be established fought some ogiamien

You confuse history with action movie or hallucination.

TAO11:
This one has been debunked into oblivion and sober mood.

Try harder with your lies. You can do this.

Wallahi. Give am soft landing small abeg

UGBE634:
If you can observe his tune he is ascribing seniority to the warri stool on the basis of the fact that iginuwa was the older of the two sons and I tried to let him know that the exact same scenario played out between Benin and Oyo. from what I know Eweka was oronmiyan's first son

I get your point now. But he’s quite mistaken if that was his point.

The incoming king Iguniwa was the son of an already reigning Benin king, just as the incoming king Eweka 1 was the son of an already reigning Oyo king.

UGBE634:
There is OGIAME- KING OF WATER, THERE IS ANOTHER, OGIAMIEN

Who said they are two Ogiemien na you form that one


Oga go sit down you be Yoruba man....


Do you know when we have been debating benin history on nairaland


Is there anything like ogiefa in the obas palace
Is there any yoruba title in the oba of Bini palace
Do benin practice any traditional rite pertaining to yoruba or ife


Omo use your head and stop listening to what the regular people say go and do your research

TAO11 you're meeting to discuss benin history and trying to convince her to believe the benin-ife knows the truth its a lie, she is very vast in Benin history than you're yourself



Did benin ever referred to themselves as bini or edo


Guy go and visit my profile and do your personal research my research work is on my profile if you care to read it


Go and download this pdf


A reconsideration between benin and ife relationship by afc Ryder


When you read am finsh meet me for more books

If you wanr to debate me i can drop my whatsapp number make we debate am and if you get any question

Truthshots2:
[s]1) prove that oromiyan existed
2) prove that oromiyan whose existence is yet to be established fought some ogiamien

You confuse history with action movie[/s]

Oranmiyan lived because multiple, independent narrations passed down to the present generation via different independent sources & kingdoms all attest to his existence.

The evidence-type for his existence is therefore the same evidence-type which attests to the existence of the following personages:

Eweka I, Uwuakhuahen, Ehenmihen, Ewedo, Oguola, Edoni, Udagbedo, Ohen, Egbeka, Orobiru, Uwaifiokun, Ewuare I, Ezoti, Olua, Ozolua, Esigie, Orhogbua, Ehengbuda, Ohuan, Ohenzae, Akenkpaye, Akengbedo, Ore-Oghene, Ewuakpe, Ozuere, Akenzua I, Eresoyen, Akengbuda, Obanosa, Ogbebo, and Osemwende

Or do you consider these Benin heroes and fathers to be fairy-tales because none of their family members, friends, or visitors wrote down any of their names ??

Cc: UGBE634

nisai:
You are such a clown.

Prove it

ayyoshert:

Was it Alien that fought there, open mouth and just be disrespectful, Ijaw Ilaje people too no fight? Maybe if you experienced Ife Modakeke skirmish, maybe you will stop bragging.

Shut it. Ife Modakeke is now what. No yoruba can stand the heat in Warri. I maintain it. Una sabi fight?

macof:
it is only non-itsekiri who support this trouble. Why?

Even someone who claims to not like to engage in ethnic issues of this kind will break his own principle just to support this case of disqualifying an itsekiri Prince with yoruba mother

You people just want to distabilise itsekiri.

One lesson itsekiri can learn from this is to not give into those who have tried to play them into positions of disadvantage

Shut up. Fool


Where did I get involved in itsekiri matters


I simply asked. Sine the immediate King studied law why didn't he legally challenge the edict that would disqualify his sons 37 years throughout before he died?


Secondly, where there princes before him who were who was also disqualified because they didn't meet certain conditions. Simple as ABC



I don't need to be an itsekiri to be able to rationalise these simple things. Nothing about you, your clan or tribe threatens my potentials. Get lost

Refer to my comment below for a refutation of his crappy screenshot.

UGBE634:
There is OGIAME- KING OF WATER, THERE IS ANOTHER, OGIAMIEN

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How many times must your A.F.C. Ryder screenshot be debunked before you feel ashamed of yourself ??

gregyboy:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13410734_beninife_jpeg6a7a60b85f1e96049f54408a72807f5b

Please point out one statement of fact/certainty from your A.F.C. Ryder 1965 screenshot. I would wait.

While I’m waiting, refer carefully to the page below for a citation of A.F.C. Ryder 1969, p.31. — 4 years later.

Cheers!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13410825_d068e656589b4bbbb298a34dd1d5cdcc_jpeg_jpeg60c0b8c88f425856c2f91ce1774288a0

BluDesk:




Shut up. Fool


Where did I get involved in itsekiri matters


I simply asked. Sine the immediate King studied law why didn't he legally challenge the edict that would disqualify his sons 37 years throughout before he died?


Secondly, where there princes before him who were who was also disqualified because they didn't meet certain conditions. Simple as ABC



I don't need to be an itsekiri to be able to rationalise these simple things. Nothing about you, your clan or tribe threatens my potentials. Get lost

The guy whom you are replying is also not itsikeri, don't mind him he has no consistency.
He is a "yoruba" who believes it is in his ethno-centric interests to support tsola in anyway possible (since tsola's mother is from Ogun state).

The ascension to the throne of Olu is governed by the law, and according to that same law, tsola is not qualified. Period.

Truthshots2:
[s]The guy whom you are replying is also not itsikeri, don't mind him he has no consistency.

He is a "yoruba" who believes it is in his ethno-centric interests to support tsola in anyway possible (since tsola's mother is from Ogun state).

The ascension to the throne of Olu is governed by the law, and according to that same law, tsola is not qualified. Period.[/s]

No! His reason (contrary you your bolded assumption) is because Itsekiri is a Yoruba subgroup.

Says who? Well, says the Itsekiris themselves for their earliest known testimony.

(1) Quoting from the eyewitness account of Captain H. L. Gallwey’s “Journeys in the Benin Country”:

“Let me now refer briefly to the tribes that people this part of the world. First we come to the Jakris, who are connected in race and language with the Yoruba people, extending from the Mahin country on the west to the Forcados on the East, and inland about as far as Sapele.”
~ H. L. Gallwey, “Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa,” The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), p.127.


(2) Quoting from H. Ling Roth’s (1903) report from eyewitnesses of the late 1800s:

“In this respect, however, the officials agree with the tradition of the people at Warri, the Jekries, who claim to come from the west.”
~ H. Ling Roth, “Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts and Horrors,” (1903), pp.8-9.

Cheers!

Cc: BluDesk, macof

BluDesk:



Shut it. Ife Modakeke is now what. No yoruba can stand the heat in Warri. I maintain it. Una sabi fight?

Which heat ?
Did they use armour tank or jet bomber?
Unnecessary bragging and noise, there was no weapon that could have been put to use in Warri that was not used in Ife Modakeke, so much that mobile police men had to be removing their clothes to avoid been killed, they lost men and their fire power was nothing to the fortified youths fighting. Abeg leave story, if a boy never visited another man's farm, to him his father's is the largest.

TAO11:
Refer to my comment below for a refutation of his crappy screenshot.


—————————————
How many times must your A.F.C. Ryder screenshot be debunked before you feel ashamed of yourself ??



Please point out one statement of fact/certainty from your A.F.C. Ryder 1965 screenshot. I would wait.

While I’m waiting, refer carefully to the page below for a citation of A.F.C. Ryder 1969, p.31. — 4 years later.

Cheers!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13410825_d068e656589b4bbbb298a34dd1d5cdcc_jpeg_jpeg60c0b8c88f425856c2f91ce1774288a0

Can we see the cross the ooni of ife palace and the helmet too


You be clown


Ooni of ife na u dey force to be ogene like say na urhobo man

BluDesk:




Shut up. Fool


Where did I get involved in itsekiri matters


I simply asked. Sine the immediate King studied law why didn't he legally challenge the edict that would disqualify his sons 37 years throughout before he died?


Secondly, where there princes before him who were who was also disqualified because they didn't meet certain conditions. Simple as ABC



I don't need to be an itsekiri to be able to rationalise these simple things. Nothing about you, your clan or tribe threatens my potentials. Get lost

Your entire activity on this thread is getting involved with itsekiri matters. Apparently you are even daft

Truthshots2:


The guy whom you are replying is also not itsikeri, don't mind him he has no consistency.
He is a "yoruba" who believes it is in his ethno-centric interests to support tsola in anyway possible (since tsola's mother is from Ogun state)

Social media has truly thought me to be wary of the younger generation and they are evil at heart. I will continue to be very careful of the young generation seeing the venom in the hearts of the younger generation.


I believe every tribe should choose their rules and regulations and should not be disturbed by external. Influence. The whole frame playing out in the kingship crisis proves Ayiri is perfectly correct.


If tomorrow a mixed tribe ascends the throne, edicts, laws, principles and issues would be of mixed interests not pure, genuine tribal interests


Rather than speak the truth in absolution. I see many yorubas running here and there like it has anything to do with them


Itsekiri has always said it has ties with the yorubas but does it mean it doesn't have a right to its heritage and Preserving it how she sees fit


The hypocrisy in Nigerians is stinking and appalling


These are the same. Elements that will cry fulani and house are doing this and that, but yet on the flip side are much worse devils


Itsekiri people should decide their fate without external influence simple as ABC.

TAO11:
I get your point now. But he’s quite mistaken if that was his point.

The incoming king Iguniwa was the son of an already reigning Benin king, just as the incoming king Eweka 1 was the son of an already reigning Oyo king.

Not exactly the same scenarios though, with the etablished fact that oronmiyan actually ruled in benin, where do you now place the ranking of the two kings. you see why the Oba of Benin will not agree to be the junior of the two.