TAO11:
You are bound to agree with everything he says — you are his slave.

I am not bound to agree with everything he says — he is my brother.

Historians confirmed that Oranyan indeed is his ancestor.

But historians drew the line to say the Izoduwa fiction is an interesting nonsense.

I go with the historians on all the details.

You should be worried about your esteem, He has affirmed that Omonoyan ( oranyan) is his ancestor settled, He has also affirmed that Omonoyan is also from Benin via Izoduwa (oduduwa) aren't you ashamed your brother has denied your existence oh! oluwole. Big professors have affirmed the Benin story via that book, Nigerian people and culture. professor EO ERHAGBE and AD NZEMEKE. Even the father of the said Oba wrote on this issue, aren't you trying so hard to claim relationship. low self esteem at best. IGBINOGHODUA AISOKUOBA is not your brother. you are a sucker for greatness in history and you are trying to do attache by force

TAO11:
Timestamp 13:22 to 13:41


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0

So, now you’ve learnt fOr tHe FiRsT tImE that your king admits that Oranmiyan is his ancestor. Lol.

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Shush ya mouth and lemme see

KingOKON:
Shush ya mouth and lemme see

My slave.

Do you now agree with your oba or not ??

UGBE634:
You should be worried about your esteem,

An advice meant for you.

He has affirmed that Omonoyan ( oranyan) is his ancestor settled

Historians the world over don’t recognize the fraudulent word “omonoyan”.

However, they note Oranmiyan as your oba’s ancestor.

He has also affirmed that Omonoyan is also from Benin via Izoduwa (oduduwa)

Historians the world over said his forefathers disagree with him on this, and that this ‘Izoduwa’ tale is a forgery.

aren't you ashamed your brother has denied your existence oh! oluwole.

My brother’s statement does NOT have more weight than mine.

But his statement clearly does have more weight than his slave’s (your) statement.

Historians the world over are with me on this particular detail.

A big professor has also affirmed the Benin story via that book professor EO ERHAGBE.

I have been asking, for hours, that you should point to the acacdemic journal where such crap could have been (or was) published as history.

Even the father of the said Oba has wrote on this issue, aren't you trying so hard to claim relationship.

The forgery began precisely during his days.

In fact, he was the first to pronounce this forgery to the general Edo public (orally) during his coronation party.

The Benin crowd was shocked to the marrow by such strange statements which attempts to overturn history.

low self esteem at best.

No, you Binis are the inferior ones of Nigeria who are currently battling the minority complex syndrome.

I, on the other hand, am simply for truth regardless of who it is for or who it is against.

IGBINOGHODUA AISOKUOBA is not your brother.

No! You are his slave.

And he is paternally descended from Ife as testified by his ancestors (in the persons of Akenzua-2, Eweka-2, et al.) as I have listed on the previous page.

you are a sucker for greatness in history and you are trying to do attache by force

Name one thing in which Benin is greater than its overlord Yoruba nation.

Adduce whatever ‘evidence’ you have as a support for your claim.

I am about to rinse you with fact, and increase your hatred for me.

TAO11:
An advice meant for you.

Historians the world over don’t recognize the word Omonoyon. But they agree that Oranmiyan is his ancestor.

Historians the world over said his forefathers disagree with him on this, and that this is a recent forgery.



My brother’s statement does Not have more weight than mine.

But his statement has more weight than his slave’s (your) statement.

Historians the world over are on my side on this particular detail.

I have been asking for hours to point to the acacdemic journal where such crap could have been published.

The forgery began precisely during his days. In fact, he was the first to pronounce it to the general public (orally) during his coronation party. The Benin crowd was shocked.

Really? No you are the inferior ones in Nigeria battling the minority complex syndrome.

I, on the other hand, am only for truth regardless of who it is for or who it is against.

No, you are his slave. And he is descended from Ife as his ancestors (Akenzua2, Eweka 2, et al.) have confirmed in the point I listed on the previous page.

Name one thing in which Benin is greater than its overlord Yoruba nation. Attach whatever evidence you have.

I am about to rinse with fact you and increase your hatred for me.

What do you mean the world over ERHAGBE is not your mate, NZEMEKE is not your mate. go and read that book. NIGERIAN PEOPLE AND CULTURE A.D NZEMEKE AND E O ERHAGBE you can't tell Edo history for Edos. IGBINOGHODUA AISOKUOBA IS NOT YOUR MATE and he is certainly not your brother, accept fact and stop this low self esteem act.

UGBE634:
[s]What do you mean the world over ERHAGBE is not your mate, NZEMEKE is not your mate. go and read that book. NIGERIAN PEOPLE AND CUPTURE A.D NZEMEKE AND E O ERHAGBE you can't tell Edo history for Edos. IGBINOGHODUA AISOKUOBA IS NOT YOUR MATE and he is certainly not your brother, accept fact and stop this low self esteem act[/s]

(1) eRhAgBe, nZeMeKe, and iGbInOgHoDuA — whatever those things are, are yet some more Edo slaves of the Oba of Benin like you.

(2) Such information can NOT be published as history in any academic journal any where in the world.

(3) I have been asking you to name the journal which published such garbage, but you’ve been fleeing.

KingOKON:
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TAO11 hope you holding your 2ears as you read the above, even the Oba of Lagos told the Ooni same

Some Yoruba's say they came from Mecca while some say they are Hebrews and now this Bobrisky is dancing Eyo masquerade with Yoruba history.
You don't need to tell me about Benin history cause when but that of the Yoruba's come from different perspective with plenty religious sentiments attach to it.

I want to know which angle Bobrisky is coming from cause I have seen them here saying different thing of how they got to Ife and where they originated from

Samuel Johnson or not one thing we all know and have seen is the extreme dilution of culture especially that of the Yorubas politically and spiritually,
If the narratives given far back by Olaudah Equiano, has been disputed is it a book written by a slave claiming Yoruba ancestry that one will want to use as reference material
what I want to do is to dissect and carry out surgical history on TAO11 aka Bobrisky the Inspector, Lagos which is a joke to Benin and Calabar in terms of history, culture damned their revered city and the Ooni couple of months while a Bobrisky a common subject is here trying to teach us history

She has dis inherent anger towards we bins for priding and parading on how we ruled lagos her home state were she is from.....

It angered her alot and decided to be a troll on we binis and disprove any influences on Benin on the entire yoruba, thats were obsession began from

We have another one from the east too just like her doing thesame thing


TAO11 so debated bini history with we benins that we had to go deeper in bini history to disprove her, there and then we found out historically benin and ife never even had encounter we showed her it shattered her ego

She left for months and returned as a troll and a lier


If you want to frustrate her wen she lie that oba of benin is from ife tell her to back it up with writing evidence by bins giving account of such from 1400 till the empire ended in 1897
She will eat you raw because she knows the ormoiyan history in Benin is recent and not historical

Edeyoung:
[s]She has dis inherent anger towards we bins for priding and parading on how we ruled lagos her home state were she is from.....It angered her alot and decided to be a troll on we binis and disprove any influences on Benin on the entire yoruba, thats were obsession began fromWe have another one from the east too just like her doing thesame thingTAO11 so debated bini history with we benins that we had to go deeper in bini history to disprove her, there and then we found out historically benin and ife never even had encounter we showed her it shattered her egoShe left for months and returned as a troll and a lier If you want to frustrate her wen she lie that oba of benin is from ife tell her to back it up with writing evidence by bins giving account of such from 1400 till the empire ended in 1897She will eat you raw because she knows the ormoiyan history in Benin is recent and not historical[/s]

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

UGBE634:
You should be worried about your esteem, He has affirmed that Omonoyan ( oranyan) is his ancestor settled, He has also affirmed that Omonoyan is also from Benin via Izoduwa (oduduwa) aren't you ashamed your brother has denied your existence oh! oluwole. Big professors have affirmed the Benin story via that book, Nigerian people and culture. professor EO ERHAGBE and AD NZEMEKE. Even the father of the said Oba wrote on this issue, aren't you trying so hard to claim relationship. low self esteem at best. IGBINOGHODUA AISOKUOBA is not your brother. you are a sucker for greatness in history and you are trying to do attache by force

Ugbe.... I hope you learn the truth soon, you seem afraid to, anyway tao11 would eat you raw, on benin history, because she knows it better than you do

UGBE634:
[quote author=TAO11 post=100941969


Attempt it and let me help you shred it into pieces with facts and received Benin accounts.




No serious academic, expert historian would venture into damaging h/ I will not, the burden of proof is on your 'brother' the same 'brother' that has consistently denied your existence and affinity with your cursed tribe and affirmed his Benin root strongly, the grandfather walked away from your cursed western region in 1963 and the son in 2004 made a statement that he does not have an affinity with your dirty yaribanza bastard tribes and the present monarch is affirming it strongly. When you are free you can walk into the Benin palace and try to convince the Oba that Oduduwa is originally from ife and I wish you luck while you try as this nairaland testament will certainly not be enough and also go and check on Nigerian people and culture by AD NZEMEKE AND E O ERHAGBE. the book state that oduduwa is originally from Benin. The first editor is a retired professor from the University of Benin, the second is a very big professor now in the University of Benin. you can go behead him or if you have the powers to, strip him of his professorship. We have decided to tell our history our way and not the oluwole history told by yaribastard because of their early advantage to education in their attempt to subdue the greater Benin . EDOIRISIAGBON

sorry Pele doh, na so e dey be when truth hit you unexpectedly after a very long held falsehood it will almost make you run mad but just take easy you'll be fine after you might have digest the newly fond truth

TAO11:
My slave.

Do you now agree with your oba or not?

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When last did you mama slap U

KingOKON:
When last did you mama slap U

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#100966666

Tsola should be dethroned as possible and all Yorubas should evacuate the Benin royal stool of Itshekiris


Or else we will swear with osusumaye on all their heads....

Edeyoung:
Tsola should be dethroned as possible and all Yorubas should evacuate the Benin royal stool of Itshekiris


Or else we will swear with osusumaye on all their heads....

Trash.

Infact Yorubas should iron the edict to remove Bini from meddling in the affairs of their kin Itshekiri despite Benin themselves being Yorubas.

Juliusmalema:


Trash.

Infact Yorubas should iron the edict to remove Bini from meddling in the affairs of their kin Itshekiri despite Benin themselves being Yorubas.

Bini are Yorubas are you high on cow dump, we are Yorubas and awolowo and his kins tribalised w edos until ww sought out


Or are you mad to see water and kerosene dont mix


Oga you just got me angry come and prove how edos are Yorubas before ogun will kill you there

scholes0:
Itsekiris and Yorubas are inseparable... We both have ifa, ogun and umalokun. Benins have some too but got it from us.

Besides, Itsekiris don't understand BINI Language...

Come in Itsekiri is WA... What is it in yours?
Cloth in Itsekiri is ASHO... what is it in yours?
Family is EBI while people is ARA... What is it in Bini?
Food is Oje, Soup is Obe, Fish is Eja, Water is Omi, Oil is Ekpo, Medicine/20/War/Talisman is Ogun, Dance is Jo.... I can go on forever.

Thank ORITSE for English and pidgin that Oyibos brought, Itsekiris would have been like Fish out of water in Benin city.... while they would blend in perfectly anywhere in Coastal Yorubaland.... Nigeria is the only place where some people will think they have the right to 'claim' others who don't even understand their language as if those ppl are a conquered or servile race, and yet everyone is busy complaining about Fulanis while doing the very same things and worse in their backyards..... No wonder the whole country is upside down.

U don't speak what u don't know..... Come to Edo state and see if dey speak language

Na so una go dey una village dey type rubbish

Juliusmalema:





I will never support evil and as such the article 4 is a useless one.....

Itshekiri are by extension Yorubas, So it makes no sense, I mean no sense how the son of a Yoruba woman won't become king.

The 1979 edict is a daylight robbery and shouldn't stand.

The Benin kingdom itself is a yoruboid kingdom ( Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor an Itshekiri man affirmed this)...

Prince Tsola should be crowned the Olu of Warri.

You cannot deny the real owners of the kingdom by extension their right to also rule their land.

The Article 4 should be burnt to ashes....It has outlived it's usefulness and reason it was created.

If some lies, revisionist are not nipped to the mud, they might end up extending the local government they want to control in their expansionist agenda upto Nine..

Point of correction please, the Benin Kingdom is an edoid Kingdom and it's not in anyway yorubanoid. Oduduwa was a Benin prince on exile and found himself in ile-ife. He established his Kingdom there and his son omonoya was sent forth to take his father's place as the Omo 'oba of Benin Kingdom. Therefore the royal stoold of itshekiri Kingdom is edoid because they are directly related to the royal family of Benin Kingdom.

Fezz:
[s]Point of correction please, the Benin Kingdom is an edoid Kingdom and it's not in anyway yorubanoid. Oduduwa was a Benin prince on exile and found himself in ile-ife. He established his Kingdom there and his son omonoya was sent forth to take his father's place as the Omo 'oba of Benin Kingdom Therefore the royal stoold of itshekiri Kingdom is edoid because they are directly related to the royal family of Benin Kingdom.[/s]

Oh you mean the 1970s fairytale of Izoduwa (Idoduwa, Omonoyon, Imadoduwa, etc.) which historians noted was no more than an interesting nonsense of a failed forgery?

Tell me more please. I’m all ears.

Cc: Juliusmalema

Gbajure:


What is the meaning of Ogiso? Find the meaning b4 starting posting rubbish about not believing in the sky mythology.

And Ooni visiting Benin b4 coronation? Maybe u meant to say Ọba of Bini!

Think about this first. Who changed the name of the people from Edo to Bini a Yoruba word and Ogiso to Ọba, another Yoruba word.

Receive knowledge because you lack it and it's quite evident in your post. BINI was derived from UBINI which was the capital of Igodomigodo. Obviously oranmiyan could not pronounce Ubini and it was corrupted to Ibinu in "ile-Ibinu instead of ile-Ubini. The Portuguese corrupted the name Ubini to Benin. Do your research extensively and you will realise that the name Ubini n'okpevbho existed since the era of the Ogisos

TAO11:
Oh you mean the 1970s fairytale of Izoduwa (Idoduwa, Omonoyon, Imadoduwa, etc.) which historians noted was no more than an interesting nonsense of a failed forgery?

Tell me more please. I’m all ears.

Cc: Juliusmalema

Call it whatever you like, all that matters is that it came from the horses mouth which is the Oba of Benin. His word is final and can't be detested. We are not saying it for you to believe because everyone has a right to tell his own history. In Benin, history is made, and not spoken. We are not storytellers unlike our neighbours

ogbonti:



The Itsekiri tribe may have yoruba words but you forget that the Ruling house of Warri which all Itsekiris proudly accept and gave the legitimacy to rule over them for centuries is 90% Benin

It was Prince Ginuwa, the Eldest son of Oba Olua and the sons of 70 Benin Chiefs that started the Warri Kingdom

That is why you have Chieftaincy titles in Warri like Obazuaye, Ologbotsere, Iyatsere (Iyase) Ezomo, Uwangue, etc - These are Benin titles so you can not remove the Warri crown from deep Benin roots and any attempt to impose yorubas mix to it waters down the sophistication of the tradition and culture of Oluship in Warri

Let's be honest, without the warri Crown there is no itsekiri because it is Ginuwas son that gave them the name "itsekiri" after his father died. The Benins gave them their identity.

Fezz:
Receive knowledge because you lack it and it's quite evident in your post. BINI was derived from UBINI which was the capital of Igodomigodo.

Yes, and Ubini was derived from Oranmiyan’s pronouncement of your land as Ile-Ibinu because everything is wrong there and it annoys him so much.

I’ve got an evidence from a received account of Benin history for my claim.

While you have zero evidence for your Nollywood script below.

Obviously oranmiyan could not pronounce Ubini and it was corrupted to Ibinu in "ile-Ibinu instead of ile-Ubini.

Evidence for your Walter Disney-cum-Nollywoowd script please??

The Portuguese corrupted the name Ubini to Benin.

FALSE!

However the trend is (from a well attested Bini received account) as follows:

Oranmiyan’s word “Ibinu” (most likely uttered by him in the more archaic Yoruba form “Ubinu”), then eventually (after some intermediate evolutions) to “Benin“.

But your claim of Portuguese corruption to “Benin” is no more than an ignorant falsehood.

Do your research extensively and you will realise that the name Ubini n'okpevbho existed since the era of the Ogisos

Evidence for your Nollywood script or shush!

Take your own advice of doing research. At least start by reading up ONE book.

Cheers!

Cc: Gbajure

Fezz:
Call it whatever you like

When did I claim to have been the one who called it a forgery? No, I never did. Historians did.

all that matters is that it came from the horses mouth which is the Oba of Benin.

Are you that deluded to call that horse’s mouth when the topic is clearly about Oduduwa’s history??

This is NOT Ogiamien’s history oo, in case you are about confused. This is Oduduwa’s history. Hehe!

Your delusion is certainly an everlastingly strong one.

His word is final and can't be detested.

Yes his words are final for his Edo slaves.

Swear that you are not a slave of the Oba of Benin.

We are not saying it for you to believe

I know.

Anyone can claim that the clouds are made up of cotton wool provided such claim helps them sleep at night.

However, they can’t insist that such is a scientific fact.

Scientists would have to step in at that point and put such claim in its sewage place.

In a similar vein, historians have stepped in to cure your delusion and declared the 1970s Izoduwa forgery as an interesting nonsense.

In other words, you may believe it if you choose to be dumb, but calling it history is what historians have gone against.

because everyone has a right to tell his own history.

But this is not exclusively a history of Edo.

This is a Yoruba history which intersects with the Edo’s.

As such, you can’t say trash on such intersected history and expect the other concerned ethnic group to fold their arms and watch you go looney. No, it’s not done.

No! Yorubas have called you out on the forgery. Your own early history has called you out on the forgery.

More importantly, historians have called you out on the forgery. Why not choose sanity over delusions?

Benin, history is made, and not spoken. We are not storytellers unlike our neighbours

Stroy tellers are precisely what you are regarding the failure of a 1970s forgery called Izoduwa (Omonoyan, Idoduwa, Imadoduwa, etc.)

Cc: Juliusmalema, Gbajure

joefelin2345:
This to me is more understandable & less confusing becos it is a fact that at one point in time, Oranmiyan was sent to Benin from Ile Ife to restore peace over there. He later called the place ..
Ile ibinu..probably becos of his experience over there.

This is outrageous and laughable . How many people followed Oranmiyan from ile-ife to Ubini, excluding the Benin Chiefs that convinced him to rule them as their rightful heir. Let's start from there? I'm waiting

Fezz:
This is outrageous and laughable . How many people followed Oranmiyan from ile-ife to Ubini, excluding the Benin Chiefs that convinced him to rule them as their rightful heir. Let's start from there? I'm waiting

Answer:

A “retinue of aides” followed him from his home-town of Ile-Ife to Benin.

Says who?

Well, says the generally attested early received account of Benin history collected from the royal court historians of Omonoba Akenzua-2.

Cc: joefelin2345

Fezz:
[s]Let's be honest, without the warri Crown there is no itsekiri because it is Ginuwas son that gave them the name "itsekiri" after his father died. The Benins gave them their identity.[/s]

You’re a dullard!

Their ancestral homeland has being called Ode-Itsekiri for centuries (or more correctly millleniums) prior to their acceptance of Iginuwa because he is of the some Yoruba root as them.

What does Itsekiri mean in Edo language? Nothing!

On the contrary, it is a Yoruba word with an everyday meaning till today.

Cc: ogbonti

TAO11:
When did I claim to have been the one who called it a forgery. No, I never did. Historians did.

Are you that deluded to call that the horse’s mouth regarding Oduduwa’s history?? Not Ogiamen history oo. Hehe!

The delusion is certainly an everlastingly strong one.

Yes is words are finals for his Edo slaves.

Swear that you are not a slave of the Oba of Benin.

I know. Anyone can claim that the clouds are made of cotton wool provided such claim makes them sleep well
at night.

However, they can’t insist that such is a scientific fact. Scientists would have to step in at that point and put such claim in its gutter place.

In a similar vein, historians have stepped in to cure you all’s delusion and declared the 1970s Izoduwa forgery as an interesting nonsense.

In other words, you may believe it if you choose to be dumb, but calling it history is what historians have gone against.

But this is not an exclusive history of Benin. This is a Yoruba history that intersects with Benin’s.

So, you can’t expect to say trash on such intersectional history and expect the other concerned ethnic group to fold their arms and watch you go looney.

No, Yorubas have called you out on that. Your own early history has called you out on it. Finally, historians have called you out on it.

Why not choose sanity over delusions?

Stroy tellers is precisely what you are regarding the failure of a 1970s forgery called Izoduwa (Omonoyan, Idoduwa, Imadoduwa, etc.)

Juliusmalema, Fezz.

You are obviously a clown. I don't need your long sermons, just go straight to the point. Kindly tell us what scientific evidence was discovered to debunk the Izoduwa story. I'm waiting

In 1854, Ling Roth wrote he was told in a vague way how a son of a king named caledesan (Ekaladeran) founded Gwaton (Ughoton) the head centre of (Olokun) after he fled Benin because he was accused fallele by his father's wife of rape.

The story of Ekaladeran is not a new one as you mentioned earlier. The Yorubas tried to suppress the story for a long time because they owned the only printing press in Ibadan. Nothing can be hidden under the sun forever, the truth must always surface at the right time.

Fezz:
[s]You are obviously a clown. I don't need your long sermons, just go straight to the point. Kindly tell us what scientific evidence was discovered to debunk the Izoduwa story. I'm waiting

In 1854, Ling Roth wrote he was told in a vague way how a son of a king named caledesan (Ekaladeran) founded Gwaton (Ughoton) the head centre of (Olokun) after he fled Benin because he was accused fallele by his father's wife of rape.

The story of Ekaladeran is not a new one as you mentioned earlier. The Yorubas tried to suppress the story for a long time because they owned the only printing press in Ibadan. Nothing can be hidden under the sun forever, the truth must always surface at the right time.[/s]

You are an irredeemable dullard. Point out where I had noted that the story of Ekalderhan is a new one.

What I (and of course historians) called a forgery is the Izoduwa fiction/version which surfaced in the 1970s.

And NO where does the earlier story of Ekaladerhan say he is one and the same person as Oranmiyan/Oduduwa?

And NO where does it say he fled to Ife, or he ever went near Ife. Rather, the story contained clear indications that he lived all his life in his kingdom of Ughoton.

In FACT, this particular earlier story (highlighted partially in your screenshot) is one of the reasons why historians reached the conclusion that the latter 1970s version is a latter-day forgery.

Read up ONE book.

Cc: Juliusmalema
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PS: Ling Roth didn’t write any book in 1854. Neither was he the author of the 1880s note I talked about in the shot below.

All these Edo blogs (from where you retrieved your screenshot) just cook up Nollywood script for you all, and you all dumbly swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

Edo blogs are the very reasons why I find it very, very easy to disgrace Benin reta.rds everyday on Nairaland.

My comment on this topic from days ago is attached in the screenshots below to show you I’m well aware of an early authentic story of Ekaladerhan which debunks the forged one from the 1970s.

Fezz:


You are obviously a clown. I don't need your long sermons, just go straight to the point. Kindly tell us what scientific evidence was discovered to debunk the Izoduwa story. I'm waiting

In 1854, Ling Roth wrote he was told in a vague way how a son of a king named caledesan (Ekaladeran) founded Gwaton (Ughoton) the head centre of (Olokun) after he fled Benin because he was accused fallele by his father's wife of rape.

The story of Ekaladeran is not a new one as you mentioned earlier. The Yorubas tried to suppress the story for a long time because they owned the only printing press in Ibadan. Nothing can be hidden under the sun forever, the truth must always surface at the right time.

One thing I like about the Edo spirit is that we love the truth, whereas the "yorubas" love to lie. If there was a world cup for telling lies, "yorubas" would win every time.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

Truthshots2:
[s]One thing I like about the Edo spirit is that we love the truth, whereas the yorubas love to lie. If there was a world cup for telling lies, yorubas would win every time.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.[/s]

I am not sorry for kicking you Benin/Edo liars’s butt with fact and evidence.

You all wish so badly that your case was the truth. But sorry, Benin/Edo liars loose again.

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#101021652

Cc: Fezz