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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 5:37pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
TAO11:You should be worried about your esteem, He has affirmed that Omonoyan ( oranyan) is his ancestor settled, He has also affirmed that Omonoyan is also from Benin via Izoduwa (oduduwa) aren't you ashamed your brother has denied your existence oh! oluwole. Big professors have affirmed the Benin story via that book, Nigerian people and culture. professor EO ERHAGBE and AD NZEMEKE. Even the father of the said Oba wrote on this issue, aren't you trying so hard to claim relationship. low self esteem at best. IGBINOGHODUA AISOKUOBA is not your brother. you are a sucker for greatness in history and you are trying to do attache by force |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 5:37pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
TAO11:. Shush ya mouth and lemme see |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 5:39pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 5:52pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
UGBE634:An advice meant for you. He has affirmed that Omonoyan ( oranyan) is his ancestor settledHistorians the world over don’t recognize the fraudulent word “omonoyan”. However, they note Oranmiyan as your oba’s ancestor. He has also affirmed that Omonoyan is also from Benin via Izoduwa (oduduwa)Historians the world over said his forefathers disagree with him on this, and that this ‘Izoduwa’ tale is a forgery. aren't you ashamed your brother has denied your existence oh! oluwole.My brother’s statement does NOT have more weight than mine. But his statement clearly does have more weight than his slave’s (your) statement. Historians the world over are with me on this particular detail. A big professor has also affirmed the Benin story via that book professor EO ERHAGBE.I have been asking, for hours, that you should point to the acacdemic journal where such crap could have been (or was) published as history. Even the father of the said Oba has wrote on this issue, aren't you trying so hard to claim relationship.The forgery began precisely during his days. In fact, he was the first to pronounce this forgery to the general Edo public (orally) during his coronation party. The Benin crowd was shocked to the marrow by such strange statements which attempts to overturn history. low self esteem at best.No, you Binis are the inferior ones of Nigeria who are currently battling the minority complex syndrome. I, on the other hand, am simply for truth regardless of who it is for or who it is against. IGBINOGHODUA AISOKUOBA is not your brother.No! You are his slave. And he is paternally descended from Ife as testified by his ancestors (in the persons of Akenzua-2, Eweka-2, et al.) as I have listed on the previous page. you are a sucker for greatness in history and you are trying to do attache by forceName one thing in which Benin is greater than its overlord Yoruba nation. Adduce whatever ‘evidence’ you have as a support for your claim. I am about to rinse you with fact, and increase your hatred for me. 2 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 5:58pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
TAO11:What do you mean the world over ERHAGBE is not your mate, NZEMEKE is not your mate. go and read that book. NIGERIAN PEOPLE AND CULTURE A.D NZEMEKE AND E O ERHAGBE you can't tell Edo history for Edos. IGBINOGHODUA AISOKUOBA IS NOT YOUR MATE and he is certainly not your brother, accept fact and stop this low self esteem act. |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 6:01pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
UGBE634:(1) eRhAgBe, nZeMeKe, and iGbInOgHoDuA — whatever those things are, are yet some more Edo slaves of the Oba of Benin like you. (2) Such information can NOT be published as history in any academic journal any where in the world. (3) I have been asking you to name the journal which published such garbage, but you’ve been fleeing. 5 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Edeyoung: 6:21pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
KingOKON: She has dis inherent anger towards we bins for priding and parading on how we ruled lagos her home state were she is from..... It angered her alot and decided to be a troll on we binis and disprove any influences on Benin on the entire yoruba, thats were obsession began from We have another one from the east too just like her doing thesame thing TAO11 so debated bini history with we benins that we had to go deeper in bini history to disprove her, there and then we found out historically benin and ife never even had encounter we showed her it shattered her ego She left for months and returned as a troll and a lier If you want to frustrate her wen she lie that oba of benin is from ife tell her to back it up with writing evidence by bins giving account of such from 1400 till the empire ended in 1897 She will eat you raw because she knows the ormoiyan history in Benin is recent and not historical |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 6:27pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 10:34pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. 3 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Edeyoung: 11:44pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
UGBE634: Ugbe.... I hope you learn the truth soon, you seem afraid to, anyway tao11 would eat you raw, on benin history, because she knows it better than you do |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by fregeneh(m): 3:04am On Apr 21, 2021 |
UGBE634: sorry Pele doh, na so e dey be when truth hit you unexpectedly after a very long held falsehood it will almost make you run mad but just take easy you'll be fine after you might have digest the newly fond truth 3 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 12:55pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 2:15pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
KingOKON:https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#100966666 1 Like |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Edeyoung: 3:28pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
Tsola should be dethroned as possible and all Yorubas should evacuate the Benin royal stool of Itshekiris Or else we will swear with osusumaye on all their heads.... |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Nobody: 5:23pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
Edeyoung: Trash. Infact Yorubas should iron the edict to remove Bini from meddling in the affairs of their kin Itshekiri despite Benin themselves being Yorubas. 2 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Edeyoung: 5:41pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
Juliusmalema: Bini are Yorubas are you high on cow dump, we are Yorubas and awolowo and his kins tribalised w edos until ww sought out Or are you mad to see water and kerosene dont mix Oga you just got me angry come and prove how edos are Yorubas before ogun will kill you there |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Bigsunny01(m): 7:58am On Apr 22, 2021 |
scholes0: U don't speak what u don't know..... Come to Edo state and see if dey speak language Na so una go dey una village dey type rubbish |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 1:10pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Juliusmalema: Point of correction please, the Benin Kingdom is an edoid Kingdom and it's not in anyway yorubanoid. Oduduwa was a Benin prince on exile and found himself in ile-ife. He established his Kingdom there and his son omonoya was sent forth to take his father's place as the Omo 'oba of Benin Kingdom. Therefore the royal stoold of itshekiri Kingdom is edoid because they are directly related to the royal family of Benin Kingdom. 1 Like |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 1:15pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Fezz:Oh you mean the 1970s fairytale of Izoduwa (Idoduwa, Omonoyon, Imadoduwa, etc.) which historians noted was no more than an interesting nonsense of a failed forgery? Tell me more please. I’m all ears. Cc: Juliusmalema 3 Likes
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 1:37pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Gbajure: Receive knowledge because you lack it and it's quite evident in your post. BINI was derived from UBINI which was the capital of Igodomigodo. Obviously oranmiyan could not pronounce Ubini and it was corrupted to Ibinu in "ile-Ibinu instead of ile-Ubini. The Portuguese corrupted the name Ubini to Benin. Do your research extensively and you will realise that the name Ubini n'okpevbho existed since the era of the Ogisos |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 1:40pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11: Call it whatever you like, all that matters is that it came from the horses mouth which is the Oba of Benin. His word is final and can't be detested. We are not saying it for you to believe because everyone has a right to tell his own history. In Benin, history is made, and not spoken. We are not storytellers unlike our neighbours 1 Like |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 1:49pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
ogbonti: Let's be honest, without the warri Crown there is no itsekiri because it is Ginuwas son that gave them the name "itsekiri" after his father died. The Benins gave them their identity. |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 1:50pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Fezz:Yes, and Ubini was derived from Oranmiyan’s pronouncement of your land as Ile-Ibinu because everything is wrong there and it annoys him so much. I’ve got an evidence from a received account of Benin history for my claim. While you have zero evidence for your Nollywood script below. Obviously oranmiyan could not pronounce Ubini and it was corrupted to Ibinu in "ile-Ibinu instead of ile-Ubini.Evidence for your Walter Disney-cum-Nollywoowd script please?? The Portuguese corrupted the name Ubini to Benin.FALSE! However the trend is (from a well attested Bini received account) as follows: Oranmiyan’s word “Ibinu” (most likely uttered by him in the more archaic Yoruba form “Ubinu”), then eventually (after some intermediate evolutions) to “Benin“. But your claim of Portuguese corruption to “Benin” is no more than an ignorant falsehood. Do your research extensively and you will realise that the name Ubini n'okpevbho existed since the era of the OgisosEvidence for your Nollywood script or shush! Take your own advice of doing research. At least start by reading up ONE book. Cheers! Cc: Gbajure 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 2:01pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Fezz:When did I claim to have been the one who called it a forgery? No, I never did. Historians did. all that matters is that it came from the horses mouth which is the Oba of Benin.Are you that deluded to call that horse’s mouth when the topic is clearly about Oduduwa’s history?? This is NOT Ogiamien’s history oo, in case you are about confused. This is Oduduwa’s history. Hehe! Your delusion is certainly an everlastingly strong one. His word is final and can't be detested.Yes his words are final for his Edo slaves. Swear that you are not a slave of the Oba of Benin. We are not saying it for you to believeI know. Anyone can claim that the clouds are made up of cotton wool provided such claim helps them sleep at night. However, they can’t insist that such is a scientific fact. Scientists would have to step in at that point and put such claim in its sewage place. In a similar vein, historians have stepped in to cure your delusion and declared the 1970s Izoduwa forgery as an interesting nonsense. In other words, you may believe it if you choose to be dumb, but calling it history is what historians have gone against. because everyone has a right to tell his own history.But this is not exclusively a history of Edo. This is a Yoruba history which intersects with the Edo’s. As such, you can’t say trash on such intersected history and expect the other concerned ethnic group to fold their arms and watch you go looney. No, it’s not done. No! Yorubas have called you out on the forgery. Your own early history has called you out on the forgery. More importantly, historians have called you out on the forgery. Why not choose sanity over delusions? Benin, history is made, and not spoken. We are not storytellers unlike our neighboursStroy tellers are precisely what you are regarding the failure of a 1970s forgery called Izoduwa (Omonoyan, Idoduwa, Imadoduwa, etc.) Cc: Juliusmalema, Gbajure 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 2:02pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
joefelin2345: This is outrageous and laughable . How many people followed Oranmiyan from ile-ife to Ubini, excluding the Benin Chiefs that convinced him to rule them as their rightful heir. Let's start from there? I'm waiting |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 2:06pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Fezz:Answer: A “retinue of aides” followed him from his home-town of Ile-Ife to Benin. Says who? Well, says the generally attested early received account of Benin history collected from the royal court historians of Omonoba Akenzua-2. Cc: joefelin2345 3 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 2:16pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Fezz:You’re a dullard! Their ancestral homeland has being called Ode-Itsekiri for centuries (or more correctly millleniums) prior to their acceptance of Iginuwa because he is of the some Yoruba root as them. What does Itsekiri mean in Edo language? Nothing! On the contrary, it is a Yoruba word with an everyday meaning till today. Cc: ogbonti 3 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 2:25pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11: You are obviously a clown. I don't need your long sermons, just go straight to the point. Kindly tell us what scientific evidence was discovered to debunk the Izoduwa story. I'm waiting In 1854, Ling Roth wrote he was told in a vague way how a son of a king named caledesan (Ekaladeran) founded Gwaton (Ughoton) the head centre of (Olokun) after he fled Benin because he was accused fallele by his father's wife of rape. The story of Ekaladeran is not a new one as you mentioned earlier. The Yorubas tried to suppress the story for a long time because they owned the only printing press in Ibadan. Nothing can be hidden under the sun forever, the truth must always surface at the right time. 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 2:29pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Fezz:You are an irredeemable dullard. Point out where I had noted that the story of Ekalderhan is a new one. What I (and of course historians) called a forgery is the Izoduwa fiction/version which surfaced in the 1970s. And NO where does the earlier story of Ekaladerhan say he is one and the same person as Oranmiyan/Oduduwa? And NO where does it say he fled to Ife, or he ever went near Ife. Rather, the story contained clear indications that he lived all his life in his kingdom of Ughoton. In FACT, this particular earlier story (highlighted partially in your screenshot) is one of the reasons why historians reached the conclusion that the latter 1970s version is a latter-day forgery. Read up ONE book. Cc: Juliusmalema ——————————— PS: Ling Roth didn’t write any book in 1854. Neither was he the author of the 1880s note I talked about in the shot below. All these Edo blogs (from where you retrieved your screenshot) just cook up Nollywood script for you all, and you all dumbly swallow it hook, line, and sinker. Edo blogs are the very reasons why I find it very, very easy to disgrace Benin reta.rds everyday on Nairaland. My comment on this topic from days ago is attached in the screenshots below to show you I’m well aware of an early authentic story of Ekaladerhan which debunks the forged one from the 1970s. 2 Likes
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Nobody: 2:44pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Fezz: One thing I like about the Edo spirit is that we love the truth, whereas the "yorubas" love to lie. If there was a world cup for telling lies, "yorubas" would win every time. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 2:51pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Truthshots2:I am not sorry for kicking you Benin/Edo liars’s butt with fact and evidence. You all wish so badly that your case was the truth. But sorry, Benin/Edo liars loose again. https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#101021652 Cc: Fezz 3 Likes |
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