livingchrist:
sometimes in the bible God order the cutting off, a nation and other times he does not.
When a nation is totally wiped off, it is because they do not just commit sin but the whole nation has being contaminated totally by that sin, that only a total destruction will bring a stop to it.
God destroyed the whole noah's days including children and animals, because in the bible sin spreads and contaminates all that it comes into contact with.

Oh really? You're hilarious

Now sin can contaminate? And babies can no longer be pure?

1Sharon:


Oh really? You're hilarious

Now sin can contaminate? And babies can no longer be pure?

yes sin contaminates, all humans already bear the contaminated nature of Adam, hence death happens to all even babies, the choices of one person can affect a generation, family or a nation, for example babies as well as adults are all suffering the consequences of bad leadership in Nigeria.

livingchrist:
yes sin contaminates, all humans already bear the contaminated nature of Adam, hence death happens to all even babies, the choices of one person can affect a generation, family or a nation, for example babies as well as adults are all suffering the consequences of bad leadership in Nigeria.

So babies are not sinless?

In that case, can they go to hell for eternity?

1Sharon:


So babies are not sinless?

In that case, can they go to hell for eternity?

Babies cannot go to hell, because they have committed no sin and will be redeemed from their corruptible state through the sacrifice of Jesus.

The ability to commit sin is already in them but they are innocent until they have grown to possess knowledge of right and wrong, and are able to make decisions.

stinjoe:
Satan cannot die, killed or cease to exist, because God created him as an eternal being. Satan will live eternally in anguish separated from God.

So "what God cannot do" actually exists?
Christians always making a joke of themselves.

stinjoe:
Though people have speculated as to why God allowed these things to happen, ultimately we do not know the answer. He has not chosen to reveal it to us. We do know that God has all knowledge, and that He did know that this angel would rebel and would cause so much grief and suffering. Because the Lord tells us that His ways are not our ways.

"we cannot question God", "his ways are not our ways", "you can't understand it with a carnal mind", "he works in mysterious ways". All these washed up lame excuses are not valid any longer. Even your fellow Christian colleagues here don't use them anymore, because they know how dumb those phrases sound.

Ihedinobi3:


Sigh.

7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these.
Isaiah 45:7 (NASB)

7 I form light and create darkness;
I make well-being and create calamity;
I am the LORD, who does all these things.
Isaiah 45:7 (ESV)

7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7 (NIV)

7 I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the LORD, do all these things.’
Isaiah 45:7 (NKJV)

What I don't get is why you atheists like to fancy yourselves experts on biblical theology. I can't even understand what kind of reasoning leads to something like that. You almost certainly don't know Hebrew, and you certainly appear unaware of other translations that exist of this verse.

God is not responsible for the moral evil of His creatures. That verse is most certainly not teaching that He is. Each angel or human is responsible for his or her own choices.

What God is responsible for is His Judgment brought upon such evil. When God floods a whole universe, that is His doing. And He does it in order to punish the rebellion of a third of His angels. When He destroys a confederation of cities with burning sulfur falling from the sky, He does it to punish their homosexuality and aggression against believers among them. When He will destroy so many human beings with a variety of plagues to the point that human beings are scarcer than extremely precious metals, He will be doing it to punish the wickedness of a world under the rule of the Antichrist.

It is God Who creates all that "evil." Even so, it is the sins of His creatures that occasion such things, so it is still our responsibility that such things happen at all.

Nonetheless, believe whatever you want. It really isn't my business what you believe.

It is the fact that you think that "calamity" is a better word or a more appropriate word for a supposed "good god".
Ask yourself, shey calamity na good thing? What makes calamity worse than evil if all they do is cause harm and destruction? Ehn?

kingxsamz:


So "what God cannot do" actually exists?
Christians always making a joke of themselves.

The truth is out

1Sharon:


What was the sin of the babies that he ordered to be killed?

I don't believe that I have claimed anywhere that I know the sins of all those who are punished by God. Am I some sort of cosmic policeman?

I don't know everybody's sin. I do know that everybody, including babies, sins. But I also know that sometimes the sufferings we experience are not because of our own sins.

In the Bible, David's infant son died not long after birth because David murdered Uriah after committing adultery with Bathsheba in order to hide his sin. We know that this was the punishment that God levied on David. We aren't told anything about the baby dying because of its own sin.

The Bible in this way teaches us that others we love can suffer when we sin, not because the Lord is punishing them for our sin but because their suffering causes pain to us. This is part of the punishment for sin: cursing by association.

As for the babies who die because they are connected to people who sin terribly against God, they are automatically saved. So, while death is painful and a real loss in many ways, having eternity with God is an incomparable compensation for that loss. They may have missed out on life on earth, but that is nothing at all if they will spend eternity in bliss with God.

Ihedinobi3:


I don't believe that I have claimed anywhere that I know the sins of all those who are punished by God. Am I some sort of cosmic policeman?

I don't know everybody's sin. I do know that everybody, including babies, sins. But I also know that sometimes the sufferings we experience are not because of our own sins.

In the Bible, David's infant son died not long after birth because David murdered Uriah after committing adultery with Bathsheba in order to hide his sin. We know that this was the punishment that God levied on David. We aren't told anything about the baby dying because of its own sin.

The Bible in this way teaches us that others we love can suffer when we sin, not because the Lord is punishing them for our sin but because their suffering causes pain to us. This is part of the punishment for sin: cursing by association.

As for the babies who die because they are connected to people who sin terribly against God, they are automatically saved. So, while death is painful and a real loss in many ways, having eternity with God is an incomparable compensation for that loss. They may have missed out on life on earth, but that is nothing at all if they will spend eternity in bliss with God.

Right

1Sharon:


Chaii..tone it down bro

I usually do not call people names but this guy started it on other numerous threads. I needed to give him a dose of his own pills.

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Ihedinobi3:


I don't believe that I have claimed anywhere that I know the sins of all those who are punished by God. Am I some sort of cosmic policeman?

I don't know everybody's sin. I do know that everybody, including babies, sins. But I also know that sometimes the sufferings we experience are not because of our own sins.

In the Bible, David's infant son died not long after birth because David murdered Uriah after committing adultery with Bathsheba in order to hide his sin. We know that this was the punishment that God levied on David. We aren't told anything about the baby dying because of its own sin.

The Bible in this way teaches us that others we love can suffer when we sin, not because the Lord is punishing them for our sin but because their suffering causes pain to us. This is part of the punishment for sin: cursing by association.

As for the babies who die because they are connected to people who sin terribly against God, they are automatically saved. So, while death is painful and a real loss in many ways, having eternity with God is an incomparable compensation for that loss. They may have missed out on life on earth, but that is nothing at all if they will spend eternity in bliss with God.

[/s]No wonder you are a dummy.

Rubbish post

Jayrockk:
I'm a Christian and I believe God is perfect in all ramifications, but sometimes when i start to think of the evil that has happened, and the evil happening these days I tell myself this could have been avoided if God destroyed the devil. I ask myself why God didn't kill the devil and also why was the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden in the first place. I know the devil is the cause of evil but sometimes I blame God for what's happening and doubt His existence sometimes, but then deep down i know He is real. So religious experts in the house what's your say about this?

The devil is just the aid to the planting of the seed of evil. He is not the direct cause of 90% of the evil done by man.

Killing the devil doesn't do anything if the infection of sin is in a man's life. Humans have the capacity to think to do both good and evil without the intervention of satan.

So you question is like saying: what if we had killed the first armed robber in Nigeria, Nigeria would be the safest place on earth.

shadeyinka:

The devil is just the aid to the planting of the seed of evil. He is not the direct cause of 90% of the evil done by man.

Killing the devil doesn't do anything if the infection of sin is in a man's life. Humans have the capacity to think to do both good and evil without the intervention of satan.

So you question is like saying: what if we had killed the first armed robber in Nigeria, Nigeria would be the safest place on earth.

Philosophers everywhere

It then means that man created the concept of the devil abi? (since by man came death...)

shadeyinka:

The devil is just the aid to the planting of the seed of evil. He is not the direct cause of 90% of the evil done by man.

Killing the devil doesn't do anything if the infection of sin is in a man's life. Humans have the capacity to think to do both good and evil without the intervention of satan.

So you question is like saying: what if we had killed the first armed robber in Nigeria, Nigeria would be the safest place on earth.

God creates both good and evil

shadeyinka:

The devil is just the aid to the planting of the seed of evil. He is not the direct cause of 90% of the evil done by man.

Killing the devil doesn't do anything if the infection of sin is in a man's life. Humans have the capacity to think to do both good and evil without the intervention of satan.

So you question is like saying: what if we had killed the first armed robber in Nigeria, Nigeria would be the safest place on earth.

ok I get you,but why was the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden in the first place?

1Sharon:



Right

Yeah.

Jayrockk:
ok I get you,but why was the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden in the first place?

It was a test, an opportunity for Adam to either follow God or refuse him.

There was a time that even the Angels had to choose whom they will follow, today everybody is presented with the opportunity to choose whether to accept God or reject him.

Jayrockk:
ok I get you,but why was the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden in the first place?

The forbidden fruit was an examination. God gave man volition. Volition is only truely given when constraints to negative actions are not enforced.

Volition is when you park your car at home, leave the key on the table but tell your son not to drive the car outside your gate. Volition is not given when you disable the car, remove the keys and then tell your son not to go out with the car.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a test if man will choose to voluntarily live under Gods rule and authority
OR
For man to become the source of the knowledge of (what is ) good and evil or right and wrong. In other words, man decides for himself right and wrong.

1Sharon:


God creates both good and evil

The Tree was the tree that produces independence from God in the determination and knowlege of what is good and what is evil

Jman24:




Philosophers everywhere

It then means that man created the concept of the devil abi? (since by man came death...)

All satan did was to tempt man to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The fruit was like a virus that triggered man to begin to see himself as the standard of morality rather than God (knowlege of good and evil)

Because every story with a hero needs a villain, else the hero becomes useless, the people that wrote the Bible didn't really think it through.

Jman24:

Philosophers everywhere

It then means that man created the concept of the devil abi? (since by man came death...)

How did you pull this from that comment?

livingchrist:
It was a test, an opportunity for Adam to either follow God or refuse him.

There was a time that even the Angels had to choose whom they will follow, today everybody is presented with the opportunity to choose whether to accept God or reject him.

There was? When?

Hohenheim:
Because every story with a hero needs a villain, else the hero becomes useless, the people that wrote the Bible didn't really think it through.

Those that wrote it? How so?

MikeMicheal:
If God cannot kill Satan, then stop saying there is nothing impossible for God.

What a powerless God.

u dey kolo walahi. Chai!

Jayrockk:
I'm a Christian and I believe God is perfect in all ramifications, but sometimes when i start to think of the evil that has happened, and the evil happening these days I tell myself this could have been avoided if God destroyed the devil. I ask myself why God didn't kill the devil and also why was the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden in the first place. I know the devil is the cause of evil but sometimes I blame God for what's happening and doubt His existence sometimes, but then deep down i know He is real. So religious experts in the house what's your say about this?

Satan is a spirit, spirits are not exactly made to die in the sense that we know death. Devil has been judged and is to be cast in the lake of fire at the time appointed. As to why we are tempted either by devil or the tree etc. We are tempted to be toughened, trusted and purified. It's like asking why crude oil is refined to be made useful. The process of refining is not funny or cool, but without it most precious minerals will be pretty much useless.