OkCornel:


It seems you still don’t get the basic point I was passing across using Cain, Abraham and Reuben’s examples.

OkCornel:

1. Men knew the basic rights from wrong even before the 10 commandments were given to Moses on Sinai.

OkCornel:

2. The laws of Moses is not just the 10 commandments, there were 613 instructions spanning from Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy!

OkCornel:

Dear Compton11, do you obey all the 613 laws of Moses to be saved?

OkCornel:

This thing isn’t too difficult to understand for goodness sake...or is your understanding that shallow?

OkCornel:
Using Compton11 analogy, since Jesus didn’t write the gospels but his followers and other witnesses did, perhaps the scriptures are invalid.


Let’s also use this logic to discredit all sorts of news since these are drafted by reporters in the third person too. The news have absolutely no elements of truth at all, lol

OkCornel:


Remind me again, who and who were discussing in John 3?

Per John 3 v 16;
For God so loved THE WORLD (not just the Israelites).

OkCornel:

Now, think about it... it’s basic understanding. If God so loved the world, look at the bigger picture- Jesus earthly ministry was within Israel while his disciples expanded on this to all nations after Jesus’ death and resurrection as he instructed them in Matthew 28. That way, God’s love is shown to the world (all nations).

OkCornel:

Like I said, the internet never forgets. Your posts are always gonna be here. Keep making a show of yourself. .

OkCornel:

Matthew was a disciple of Jesus, and wrote things he and other Apostles witnessed as well as things Jesus told them. So therefore, doesn’t invalidate anything.

OkCornel:


I hope you passed O’ Level English at first attempt, because it’s clear to anyone who’s following our discussion here you’re struggling to understand what a primary or secondary school student will understand

OkCornel:

And to your question as to whether Jesus called Paul? Oh well, remind us who Paul encountered on the road to Damascus in

OkCornel:

Acts 9 v 4-6;
4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.

“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.

6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

OkCornel:

Jesus also confirmed to Ananias he has called Paul to preach to the gentiles as well as the Jews-acts 9:7

OkCornel:

Acts 9 v 13 -16
13 “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem.

14 And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.”

15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.

16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”

OkCornel:

And your question on the law, I’ve told you this thing and it’s very basic to understand. Jesus could not abolish the law because he had not fulfilled it. Now that Jesus has fulfilled the law by his death and resurrection, how does a law he has fulfilled become binding on you?

OkCornel:

Basic understanding mehn! Also read Acts 15 which I posted earlier on this thread and spare yourself this pointless argument.

You only see contradictions where your understanding is shallow. And that’s not my fault.

enilove:


I have some questions for you .

1) Why was the father of Muhammad , who was an idol worshipper , named Abdul Allah ?

2)Why did Allah swear by the fig tree and angels?

3) Do you think Christians and Muslims worship the same God ?

compton11:
those u mentioned were before Moses and they have their own Law guarding them.
and do they know that is wrong and that is right?

compton11:


then who was 10 commandments given to?

compton11:


u keep mentioning 613 laws.
Tell me the one u don't do!

hmmmmm

compton11:
yes and?
so u except Salim to put mouth there ?
No,the story of the hadith has been narrated by scholars.
Though some scholars say this hadith is fabricated.
no u aint right on This.
Many wet mothers that used to breastfeed peoples babies for salary are not nursing babies
are u animal?
what was abandoned And abolish?
heheheehe go and read the history of the reason why uthman ordered quran to be burned.
And pls u will have to show me error in Al Quran.
and where is the evidence of that?
hmmmmm so how can u relied on book that their versions ain't the same?
even till now,recitation of Yoruba is different from that of Hausa people.
This has nothing to do with error bro!
u mean translation to English?
Because they want to preserve it in only Quraysh dialect and not other different dialect.
If persia or Iran or any other race have their own Quran,there would be confusions just like bible today.
QURAN was revealed in Quraysh dialect and it is the official Arabic in whole world even some part of Arabs dont understand it.
but your own beliefs is based on Jesus death and how is that make sense?
Mumu u are
Allah set two part,it is either u chose the wrong or the good way.
So if u steal today,are u going to say God commanded u to steal after God said don't steal?
and what do u want to pull out from the hadith?

mhmsadyq:


I am not here to argue or compare religions.

I have no need for that cos Islam is sufficient for me, without a doubt.

It is you Christians that are INSECURE in your Christianity that go about condemning, ridiculing, misinforming, and outright lies about, Islam and Muslims as if that can secure your erroneous belief in a CRUCIFIED God.
You have so far shown that you understand Islam more than the Muslims, so why ask questions you already have answers to?
Mischief! I know.
I will only answer question 3.
Muslims don't worship the objects Christians worship as God.
Islam is a Monotheistic religion, while Christianity is polytheistic.
But, there is only one supreme God, irrespective of what you claim to worship as God.
Allah SWT is that God.
[1:2] Al-Fātiḥa-الْفَاتِحَة
All praise be to Allah alone, the Sustainer of all the worlds,
(O Allah!) You alone do we worship and to You alone do we look for help.

enilove:


Your Muhammad was the real cause of the problems the Muslims are passing through right now . He commanded them to kill and hate the Christians and Jews.
What do you expect us to do ? Fold our hands and let you muslims kill us and convert our children to Muslims ?
Is that a religion of peace or violence? We have to condemn evil deeds .

2) To be a monotheist does not mean you are worshiping the true God . There are uncountable monotheistic religions in thus world worshipping Satan.
The mere saying ''one God , one God '' , does not mean you are not worshiping the devil .

James 2:19 KJV
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Before Islam and Quran , Christians knew and believed in one God :
Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord :

Ephesians 4:6 KJV
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

In Nigeria , we have 3 president but it will be wrong to say we are ruled by 3 Presidents . Since they are working together and under one president , it is one President.
If the earthly kingdom is in this wise , why can't you Muslims understand that Jesus is God and working for God his Father and under the authority and command of the God the Father ?

From your Quran , Jesus Christ did what only God can do. Which is by creating a living bird from the mud. Why did Allah not give Muhammad or other prophets in the Bible such power?

3) If we are not worshiping the same God , why did Muhammad and Allah claimed that it was Allah that did those miracles in the Bible?

What was the name of God of the Bible?
Was He called Allah ,?
Was Allah the name of your god or it means '' god''?
Why can't Allah get people to follow and worship him through supernatural power ?
Why carrying out idolatry practices of the pre Islamic era ?
Why facing the kabah to worship a heavenly God? In the wall of this kabah is the black Stone
of the idol worshippers planted .Why ?

Hadith
Narrated Salim that his father said:
I saw Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) arriving at Mecca; he kissed the Black Stone Corner first while doing Tawaf and did ramal in the first three rounds of the seven rounds (of Tawaf).
Sahih al-Bukhari 1603
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 89
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 673  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Is the black stone not god in this religion ?

Hadith
Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:
We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) .........
Sa al-Bukhari 4376, 4377
In-book : Book 64, Hadith 401
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 661  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

IS THIS MONOTHEISM ?

mhmsadyq:


Like i said before, i am not here to argue or compare religions.

You want a debate. I can't debate cos its useless.

Your mind is made up to be a Trinitarian, full of doubts. Unfortunate!

[2:171] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَ مَثَلُ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا کَمَثَلِ الَّذِیۡ یَنۡعِقُ بِمَا لَا یَسۡمَعُ اِلَّا دُعَآءً وَّ نِدَآءً ؕ صُمٌّۢ بُکۡمٌ عُمۡیٌ فَہُمۡ لَا یَعۡقِلُوۡنَ ﴿۱۷۱﴾

The example of inviting these disbelievers (to guidance) is like that of a person who calls out to such (an animal) as hears nothing except a shout or cry. Deaf, dumb and blind, they have no sense.


Islam is sufficient for me, without a doubt.

[3:85] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"وَ مَنۡ یَّبۡتَغِ غَیۡرَ الۡاِسۡلَامِ دِیۡنًا فَلَنۡ یُّقۡبَلَ مِنۡہُ ۚ وَ ہُوَ فِی الۡاٰخِرَۃِ مِنَ الۡخٰسِرِیۡنَ ﴿۸۵﴾

And whoever seeks a din (religion) other than Islam that shall not at all be accepted from him, and he will be amongst the losers in the Hereafter.

I can only teach you Islam, when you are ready.

Islam has come to eliminate every other false worship of Allah in disguise and Christianity is a false belief in God.

[9:30] Al-Tawbah-التَّوْبَة

And the Jews said: ‘‘Uzayr (Ezra) is the son of Allah,’ and the Christians said: ‘The Messiah is the son of Allah.’ These are their (absurd) utterances that they voice with their mouths. They (acquire) resemblance with the saying of those who have disbelieved before (them). May Allah ruin them! Where are they wandering distracted?

[9:31] Al-Tawbah-التَّوْبَة
"اِتَّ
They took their priests and monks for lords besides Allah and (also) the Messiah, the son of Maryam (Mary), whilst in truth they had not been given (any) command except to worship (only) the One God besides Whom there is no God. Holy is He, far above those that they associate with Him as partners.

Meanwhile you can continue with your misinformation of the words of Allah and his Prophet behind the keyboard.

enilove:




Muhammad's command was for Salim to SUCKLE .Suckling has to do with mouth.

enilove:

Do women who are not pregnant or who are not nursing babies lactate in the time of Muhammad? Stop deceiving yourself.

enilove:


Why asking what was abandoned or abolished?

enilove:


Are Muslims practicing it ?

enilove:


Where is the Surah for it ?

enilove:



Sheep ate it , no be so ?

enilove:


Taqiyyah as usual.

enilove:


Examples of errors and discrepancies in the Qur'an are :

enilove:


Allah SWT said:

"But the answer of his people was only that they said, Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure."

(QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 82)

OR

Allah SWT said:

"Indeed, you approach men and obstruct the road and commit in your meetings [every] evil. And the answer of his people was not but they said, Bring us the punishment of Allah, if you should be of the truthful."

(QS. Al-Ankaboot 29: Verse 29)

THE ABOVE IS ABOUT LOT

enilove:


Who was the first Muslim ?

enilove:


Wss it Muhammad , Moses, Egyptians , Abraham or Adam ?

enilove:


Does the Sun set in a particular spot?

The Quran says ''yes' .

Allah SWT said:

"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."

(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 86)

enilove:


What about Surah 51:49 ?



Allah SWT said:

"And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember."

(QS. Adh-Dhaariyat 51: Verse 49)



Are there two moon , two sun, two earth , two pairs of trees . Are there male and female earthworms ?

enilove:


Was Mary the sister of Aaron ?



Allah SWT said:

"O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."

(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 28).

enilove:


Lastly , what is it you don't understand about the hadith below :

Hadith

A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:

Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Sahih Muslim 2662 c

In-book : Book 46, Hadith 47

USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6436  

enilove:


Which part was set for this baby to choose ? As you claimed? Has the baby chosen any part to warrant him or her going to hell

enilove:


Jesus death on the cross makes 100% physical and spiritual sense., because it is the truth.

enilove:


No creditor would accept a bankrupt man as guarantor for the settling of another person's debt since he could not clear his own debt

enilove:


It is only the death of Jesus that can redeem man from death to life. Adam brought the curse of death upon himself which every man born by a woman , through the sperm of a man, has inherited.

enilove:


That curse went into the blood of Adam and only uncursed blood can redeem man from it.

OkCornel:




Ever since Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they had knowledge of what was wrong (evil) and what was right (good).

OkCornel:

It was given to Moses on mount Sinai for the Israelites to follow.

OkCornel:

Mind you some if not all of the things in the 10 commandments were still laws to the Gentiles before the commandments were also written on tablet stones e.g. thou shall not kill, thou shall not commit adultery,

OkCornel:

I’ll give you one example.



Deuteronomy 22 v 11;

Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.





Dear sir Compton11, this is one of the laws of Moses... do you still obey this?

OkCornel:

Another example;



Deuteronomy 22 v 9;

Do not plant two kinds of seed in your vineyard; if you do, not only the crops you plant but also the fruit of the vineyard will be defiled

OkCornel:

Do you also obey this law sir?

enilove:


Who is misinformed?
You are not misinformed by your Muhammad who wrote those nonsense you quoted up there?

You don't know anything about your religion and at the same time you don't want to learn.

Show me where the Jews said Ezra is the Son of God ?

One of the major things that take majority of people to hell is , to know the truth when it is too late.

If you love yourself investigate and ask questions regarding this your religion. I am telling you that Muhammad did not serve the God that created you and I , neither is Allah the God Almighty.

Go back and think on the questions I asked you regarding why Allah is not God Almighty. If you don't , you will end your eternity in HELL.

Even the Quran promised you this:

Allah SWT said:
وَإِنْ مِّنْكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا ۚ كَانَ عَلٰى رَبِّكَ حَتْمًا مَّقْضِيًّا
"And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed."
ثُمَّ نُنَجِّى الَّذِينَ اتَّقَوا وَّنَذَرُ الظّٰلِمِينَ فِيهَا جِثِيًّا
"Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees."
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 71-72)

If you want to learn , answer those questions I asked in my previous post. They will help you to come to the right conclusion.

Islam is pure idolatry :

Hadith
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
To run along the valley between two green pillars of Safa and Marwa (mountains) was not Sunna, but the people in the pre-islamic period of ignorance used to run along it, and used to say: "We do not cross this rain stream except running strongly. "
Sahih al-Bukhari 3847
In-book : Book 63, Hadith 73
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 5, Book 58, Hadith 186  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Why doing the rituals of the idol worshipers and claiming to be for the religion of Abraham ?

The stories of the Bible were copied into the Quran and twisted . But the mode of worship of Islam is that of the pagans .
There is no single mode of worship of Islam that corresponds with the Jews and the Christians. Why ?

mhmsadyq:


Ok.
Wouldn't it be Noble for a Muslim to learn Islam from a Trinitarian?

[2:109] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَدَّ کَثِیۡرٌ مِّنۡ اَہۡلِ الۡکِتٰبِ لَوۡ یَرُدُّوۡنَکُمۡ مِّنۡۢ بَعۡدِ اِیۡمَانِکُمۡ کُفَّارًا ۚۖ حَسَدًا مِّنۡ عِنۡدِ اَنۡفُسِہِمۡ مِّنۡۢ بَعۡدِ مَا تَبَیَّنَ لَہُمُ الۡحَقُّ ۚ فَاعۡفُوۡا وَ اصۡفَحُوۡا حَتّٰی یَاۡتِیَ اللّٰہُ بِاَمۡرِہٖ ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ عَلٰی کُلِّ شَیۡءٍ قَدِیۡرٌ ﴿۱۰۹﴾
Many of the People of the Book desire to turn you back to disbelief after you have believed because of the jealousy they have in their hearts, despite the fact that the truth has become evident to them. So keep forbearing and overlooking till Allah sends His command. Verily, Allah has (absolute) control over everything.
Talking about the Jews and the Christians:
[2:113] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَ قَالَتِ الۡیَہُوۡدُ لَیۡسَتِ النَّصٰرٰی عَلٰی شَیۡءٍ ۪ وَّ قَالَتِ النَّصٰرٰی لَیۡسَتِ الۡیَہُوۡدُ عَلٰی شَیۡءٍ ۙ وَّ ہُمۡ یَتۡلُوۡنَ الۡکِتٰبَ ؕ کَذٰلِکَ قَالَ الَّذِیۡنَ لَا یَعۡلَمُوۡنَ مِثۡلَ قَوۡلِہِمۡ ۚ فَاللّٰہُ یَحۡکُمُ بَیۡنَہُمۡ یَوۡمَ الۡقِیٰمَۃِ فِیۡمَا کَانُوۡا فِیۡہِ یَخۡتَلِفُوۡنَ ﴿۱۱۳﴾
And the Jews say: ‘The Christians do not have their base upon anything (i.e., sound faith),’ and the Christians say: ‘The Jews do not have their base upon anything,’ yet they (all) read the Book (revealed by Allah). Likewise, they (the polytheists) who do not have any (heavenly) knowledge (at all) also make statements like theirs. So Allah will (Himself) judge between them on the Day of Resurrection in the matter in which they differ.
For ypur lies:
[10:69] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
There is (but a few days’) enjoyment in this world. Then they are to return to Us. We shall then afflict them with a severe torment as recompense for their disbelief.

compton11:
why u so worry then?
I've already told u what was done,so it is your problem to accept or not.

Ok the hadith is fabricated,is that what u want to hear?

I don't really know that.

cos u said it and I asked what was it.

practising what?

surah for what?

sheep in your house use to eat paper right?

do u even know the meaning of taqiyyah?

keep it coming

heheheehe two different encounters and that doesn't happen in one day.
So u think the answer of lot people is only that two?
Keeping deceiving yourself

Even the statement he said before they utter the statements are different.
Let start from verse 80
Quran 7 v 80-82
And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people: "Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns)?
"Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)."
And the answer of his people was only that they said: "Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure (from sins)!"

This is the beginning of their encounter with them he even ask them questions there compare to

Quran 29 v 28-29
And Lut, as he said to his people, "Surely you indeed come up to (such) obscenity as in no way has any of the worlds (that) preceded you (done so).

Two different encounters and different statement.
Try again bro

another GJO moshay tactic.

A Muslim is a person that submit to the will of his Lord and that person was Adam during his time.

All of them were Muslims.

what are u trying to insinuating Here?

wow Mr man this is the correct translation

And of every thing We have created in pairs: That ye may receive instruction.
Allah was talking about everything that he created in pair not that everything was created in pair.

If u understand Yoruba
Ati ninu awọn nkan ti ada ni mejimeji
Or
Ati gbogbo nkan ti a da ni mejimeji

heheheehe
Sister by kin,maryam was from the descendant of Moses the brother of Aaron,so there is nothing bad calling him sister of good person,and sister doesn't mean siblings.

It can be used in many ways.

Now look that Bible
Matthew 1:1
King James Bible
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Is Jesus the son of David?
Is David the son of Abraham?

I've already answer u on This

has the baby reached the age that knows the part he would chose?
Stop asking stupid question.

Hasnaa’ bint Mu’aawiyyah from Bani Suraym said: my paternal uncle told me: I said, O Messenger of Allaah, who will be in Paradise? He said: Prophets will be in Paradise, martyrs will be in Paradise, infants will be in Paradise and baby girls who were buried alive will be in Paradise. Narrated by Imaam Ahmad, 5/409; classed as da’eef by al-Albaani in Da’eef al-Jaami’, 5997.

which 100% and which truth be deceiving yourself.
Is it in your contradicted book make 100% to u?

Even the event was contradicted
How did judas DIED?
Did judas returned the money he collected?

u sin u get punished for your own sin.

Human sacrifice,yall ain't difference from sango people.

When God curse Eve for eating fruit,he said

"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe"

Now Jesus died for Adam and Eve sin,then how how women are still in pain during child bearing?

mhmsadyq:


Ok.

Wouldn't it be Noble for a Muslim to learn Islam from a Trinitarian?

[2:109] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَدَّ کَثِیۡرٌ مِّنۡ اَہۡلِ الۡکِتٰبِ لَوۡ یَرُدُّوۡنَکُمۡ مِّنۡۢ بَعۡدِ اِیۡمَانِکُمۡ کُفَّارًا ۚۖ حَسَدًا مِّنۡ عِنۡدِ اَنۡفُسِہِمۡ مِّنۡۢ بَعۡدِ مَا تَبَیَّنَ لَہُمُ الۡحَقُّ ۚ فَاعۡفُوۡا وَ اصۡفَحُوۡا حَتّٰی یَاۡتِیَ اللّٰہُ بِاَمۡرِہٖ ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ عَلٰی کُلِّ شَیۡءٍ قَدِیۡرٌ ﴿۱۰۹﴾

Many of the People of the Book desire to turn you back to disbelief after you have believed because of the jealousy they have in their hearts, despite the fact that the truth has become evident to them. So keep forbearing and overlooking till Allah sends His command. Verily, Allah has (absolute) control over everything.


Talking about the Jews and the Christians:

[2:113] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَ قَالَتِ الۡیَہُوۡدُ لَیۡسَتِ النَّصٰرٰی عَلٰی شَیۡءٍ ۪ وَّ قَالَتِ النَّصٰرٰی لَیۡسَتِ الۡیَہُوۡدُ عَلٰی شَیۡءٍ ۙ وَّ ہُمۡ یَتۡلُوۡنَ الۡکِتٰبَ ؕ کَذٰلِکَ قَالَ الَّذِیۡنَ لَا یَعۡلَمُوۡنَ مِثۡلَ قَوۡلِہِمۡ ۚ فَاللّٰہُ یَحۡکُمُ بَیۡنَہُمۡ یَوۡمَ الۡقِیٰمَۃِ فِیۡمَا کَانُوۡا فِیۡہِ یَخۡتَلِفُوۡنَ ﴿۱۱۳﴾

And the Jews say: ‘The Christians do not have their base upon anything (i.e., sound faith),’ and the Christians say: ‘The Jews do not have their base upon anything,’ yet they (all) read the Book (revealed by Allah). Likewise, they (the polytheists) who do not have any (heavenly) knowledge (at all) also make statements like theirs. So Allah will (Himself) judge between them on the Day of Resurrection in the matter in which they differ.

For ypur lies:

[10:69] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"قُلۡ اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ یَفۡتَرُوۡنَ عَلَی اللّٰہِ الۡکَذِبَ لَا یُفۡلِحُوۡنَ ﴿ؕ۶۹﴾

Say: ‘Surely, those who fabricate lies against Allah shall not prosper.’

[10:70] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"مَتَاعٌ فِی الدُّنۡیَا ثُمَّ اِلَیۡنَا مَرۡجِعُہُمۡ ثُمَّ نُذِیۡقُہُمُ الۡعَذَابَ الشَّدِیۡدَ بِمَا کَانُوۡا یَکۡفُرُوۡنَ ﴿٪۷۰﴾

There is (but a few days’) enjoyment in this world. Then they are to return to Us. We shall then afflict them with a severe torment as recompense for their disbelief.

enilove:




Why should you have faith in fabricated books ?

enilove:


Qur'an was burnt because of errors and the uthman version is no longer available. The Hafs and other ones are recitations according to what they feel they should write down.

enilove:


The hadiiths are either weak or okay according to you Muslims to hide the truths.

enilove:


The issue of breast feeding shows who Muhammad was . What about the case of temporary marriage ( Mut'a / prostitution )?

enilove:


You Muslims don't practiced adult breast feeding because it is a shameful thing. That is why you keep asking me , '' what was abandoned or abolished '', as if you don't understand the question.

enilove:


Like I said , where is the surah for it ? Ate by the sheep of Allah?

enilove:


Hadith

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed

[1], and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it."

enilove:


[1]: <i>These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5.</i>



Hasan (Darussalam)

English : Vol. 3, Book 9, Hadith 1944

Arabic : Book 9, Hadith 2020

Sunan Ibn Majah

enilove:



ABOUT THE ERRORS AND CONTRADICTIONS/ERRORS IN THE QURAN.

enilove:


--The story of Lot -- You might be right.

enilove:


--The first Muslim? - You are wrong because , Ishmael was b4 Muhammad and Muhammad claimed no warner was sent to his people b4 him .

enilove:


-- The sun set in a place -- Your failure to answer this is an indication that it is a BIG ERROR.

enilove:


--The surah 51:49 is a clear evidence that the writer of the Quran cannot be God. Even your scholars all agreed that the Quran is saying that , ''everything was created in pairs.

enilove:


-- That of Mary isn't about descendants Mary was called the daughter of Imran who was also the father of Moses and Aaron:

enilove:


Allah SWT said:

"And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient."

(QS. At-Tahrim 66: Verse 12)

enilove:


Another contradiction is the issue of a baby in the hadith a quoted earlier and the one you gave above on the same issue .

enilove:


I gave you an evidence from your book , you called it ''weak'' and rejected it . I gave you another one which is strong , you rejected it and brought forward a '' weak '' hadith to counter my claim . You can see your hypocrisy now.

enilove:


Your Taqiyyah tactics will land you in hell.

enilove:


All liars are candidates of hell fire.

oh like how Jesus lied that he wasn't going to festival and he eventually go? John 7

enilove:

If you say the Bible is corrupt , why did Muhammad swear by the Bible and why did Allah say the Bible is not corrupt ?

compton11:
who have faith in fabricated book?

Hadith is not book but a collection of words after the prophet have gone!
Some are real and authentic while some are weak or fabricated.
If it is weak or fabricated,we Muslims reject it.

Al Quran is 100% belief.

heheheehe your friend segenaija has already tried this your own logic and he failed,i have already told u why uthman ordered all the Quran scripts be burned,so it is your problem whether you believe or not.

It is because he wanted it to remain in Quraysh dialect it was during the time of prophet Muhammed(Saw).

Quraysh dialect is the Arabic Quran we are using and Quran revealed to prophet Muhammed in Quraysh dialect.

The hafs and the others u talked about are same with maybe different writing style in some places except it ain't the same with the fake Quran Christians are printing to deceiving people.

how many time I'm I going to tell I it is fabricated?

shia do mutah not all Muslims.
Marriage is about love not contract in Islam.

And why did u called mut'ah prostitution?

They did marriage but the Only bad thing in that is that they are marry for specific time which is wrong in islam.

why would I practice it when there was no law that says I should practise it?
And the hadith that backed it likely fabricated.

no surah for it and how many time u want to hear?

common logic will tell u this hadith is weak.
How can sheep eat a paper especially under a pillow?

How do sheep enter and check pillow?

This is pathetic.

heheheehe even if it is abrogated,it supposed to be in Al Quran and we supposed to see the law that abrogated it but we didn't see any of It.

u still ain't quiting about the error and contradictions of Quran?
Keep it coming then

what u mean I might be right?
I'm right,not everybody fall for the deception of you Christians.

where did prophet Muhammed said no Warner wasn't sent before him?
I need the place.

Muslim is who submitted to the will of Allah.

u just post a verse and I don't understand,tell me what u think about the verse.

bro stop being dumb,u understand English clearly aint u?

And of all the things we created in pairs

In Yoruba if u understand it

Ati awọn n ti a da ni meji meji

Different from

We created everything in pairs.

A da gbogbo nkan ni meji meji

in islam her father was imran and her mama was hannat.

Islam never mentioned the name of prophet musa sister and father.

Plus Bible never mentioned the name of Mary father and mother too,so how do u know mary father aint imran?

even she was called the daughter of imran many time in Al Quran.
I don't have problem with my Quran.

There is Joseph the father of Jesus and there is Joseph the son of Jacob,same name different people
so why having problem with two people bearing " imran" plus QURAN never mentioned the name of Moses father.

where in the hadith the prophet said children are going to hell fire?

heheheehe Hadith is hadith different from Quran and not all of it are true.

I keep asking what is the meaning of taqiyyah?

oh like how Jesus lied that he wasn't going to festival and he eventually go? John 7

Bro u are sweet to debate with

show me the place where prophet Muhammed (saw) made mentioned of Bible and show me where Allah say bible is not corrupted!

If not corrupted,sebi u saw it with your two eyes where three versions bible in the same verse were saying different record about David,not even only that,let me give u another shock

Plus u failed to tell me how judasi dead and did judas returned the money he collected?

Let me give you another shock

King James Bible

For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village-Luke 9:56

Now in another Luke 9:56 in another Bible version

New International Version

Then he and his disciples went to another village-luke 9:56.

The same verse,different statement.

Another one for u bro.

King James Bible
For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost- Matthew 18:11

In the same verse

English revised version omitted it.

-------------
Matthew 18:11

enilove:


Why would Muslims be fabricating lies against Muhammad?

enilove:


Anything written that is disgraceful are said to be weak .But you Muslims are just fooling yourselves . Truth is is a guide while neglect of truth is disastrous.

enilove:

Uthman burnt all the different versions of the Quran to rewrite a new one in the dialect of the Quraysh ?

enilove:


a) Why did he burn all ? Was there no one written in the dialect he wanted ?

enilove:


Are there no one in Quraysh dialect that could be maintained?

enilove:


b) If Allah is true God , why did he not tell them to maintain only the recitation of the Quraysh?

enilove:


c) This means Uthman was knowledgeable more than Allah , Gabriel and Muhammad:

enilove:


d) What was the sense in recitation ? If the Quran had been written as they came , would there be need to burn them due to errors?

enilove:


Hadith

Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:

Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.

Sahih Muslim 821 a

In-book : Book 6, Hadith 334

USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1789  

enilove:


An excuse that a tamed sheep ate the Quran under a pillow is a lie as you can see.

enilove:


Why did the wife of your prophet lie ? To cover up those nonsense said by your prophet. She knew Muhammad was a liar that was why she felt she could lie about anything to cover up.

enilove:


Muta is wrong for many reasons . Why did Muhammad approve it ? This is Sahih. Is that fabricated also?

enilove:


Hadith

Ibn Uraij reported:

Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of the Prophet (ﷺ) and during the time of Abu Bakr and 'Umar.



Sahih Muslim 1405 c

In-book : Book 16, Hadith 18

USC-MSA web (English) : Book 8, Hadith 3248  

enilove:


ABOUT THE ERRORS IN THE QURAN:



---THE FIRST MUSLIM. You said Adam was the first and other ones are also first in their times, which I disagreed by reminding you that Muhammad Ishmael came b4 Muhammad and Muhammad said no warner was b4 him. You asked me to give you an evidence . Here it is :



Allah SWT said:

"And We had not given them any scriptures which they could study, and We had not sent to them before you, [O Muhammad], any warner."

(QS. Saba 34: Verse 44)

enilove:


THIS SHOWED MUHAMMAD WAS NOT THE FIRST PROPHET AS HE CLAIMED .THIS IS AN ERROR

enilove:



--- Surah 51:49 . Tell me any Tafseer / Tafsir that agrees with you , if there non , then you are a liar and that makes it another error.

enilove:


--- Mary. You want me to show you evidence about the father of Mary :.

enilove:


Exodus 6:20 KJV

And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years..

enilove:


Allah SWT said:

يٰٓأُخْتَ هٰرُونَ مَا كَانَ أَبُوكِ امْرَأَ سَوْءٍ وَمَا كَانَتْ أُمُّكِ بَغِيًّا

"O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."

(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 28).

enilove:


Mary was called sister of Aaron and was also called the daughter of Imram / Amram .What a Big historical error..

enilove:


How many times do you want me to show to you where Muhammad said baby might go to hell ?

Hadith

A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:



Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Sahih Muslim 2662 c

In-book : Book 46, Hadith 47

USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6436  .

enilove:

Any hadith that says otherwise is just confirming to the contradictions in your books..

enilove:

You said Jesus lied? He did not lie.



John 7:8 KJV

Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up YET unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.





John 7:9 KJV

When he had said these words unto them, he abode STILL in Galilee.



He clearly told them he was not coming for now and after waiting for sometime , he later went. How was that a lie. He simply did not want them to know the exact time he will be there..

New Living Translation
You go on. I’m not going to this festival, because my time has not yet come

Contemporary English Version
Go on to the festival. My time hasn't yet come, and I am not going."


Bible is what causing confusion to all y'all niggas.

enilove:

As per the Biblical errors . You can't call them errors per se because they are fabricated versions .

enilove:


I still have more than 52 errors in the Quran also

enilove:

Again :



Allah SWT said:

"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."

(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 86)



Do you believe the sun sets IN A SPRING OF DARK MUD ? Does it move to a resting place?

enilove:

Hadith

Narrated Abu Dharr:

I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).



Sahih in chain (Al-Albani)

Sunan Abi Dawud 4002

In-book : Book 32, Hadith 34

English translation : Book 31, Hadith 3991

Abu Dawood

compton11:
some of the Hadith were collected from jews and Christians pretending to be Muslims and some Muslims rulers that want to use it to their benefits.
While some were collected from deceivers,this happened like 500 years after the prophet death.

And why Christians are fabricating lie on Jesus too?

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compton11:

there is already Quraysh dialect before,quran was revealed in Arabic of Quraysh.
He burnt the ones in wrote in persia dialects and so on.

The Noble Quran was revealed in one language and that is Arabic. It has only one original Arabic copy. Arabic 1400 years ago had 7 dialects. There exists today one original copy of the Noble in Saudi Arabia today. A copy of this original copy also exists in Turkey today as well.

When the Noble Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, it was revealed in Arabic, and in the Quraishi dialect. The Quraishi dialect is the most proper Arabic dialect that properly uses the Arabic words without altering their sound.

Back in the Middle East 1400 years ago, the Quraishi dialect was not the only one used among Arabs. There existed 6 other dialects along with it, but as I said, it was the most popular.

The Quraysh one wasn't burnt.

own[/b]

compton11:


I don't understand that your question.

stupid question
So Allah will come down to talk to them as if they are prophet.
Or are u saying they should not maintain,so we can be confused like u confused Christians?

Why are Christians like stupid questions,why can't u say that same to Yahweh when Bible are being tampered with?

what a dumb nigga?

who told u try burnt it because of errors?

keep searching Google for your confusion.

own[/b]

ANTIlSLAM:


Who's removing hijab on your girls, A School is NOT a religious center okay, pls guy borrow sense nah if you want to wear your hijab do dat outside not when you're in school that's the point

ANTIlSLAM:


Who's removing hijab on your girls, A School is NOT a religious center okay, pls guy borrow sense nah if you want to wear your hijab do dat outside not when you're in school that's the point

ANTIlSLAM:


Who's removing hijab on your girls, A School is NOT a religious center okay, pls guy borrow sense nah if you want to wear your hijab do dat outside not when you're in school that's the point

enilove:


Allah is not God Almighty. Had it been he was, he would not have listened to Muhammad to reveal the Quran in 7 dialects , because he would have known beforehand that it will create error and mistakes which would lead to burning of the Quran at last.
Uthman had to correct the mistakes of your moon god Allah by burning the words of Allah .

Hadith
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:
Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.
Sahih Muslim 821 a
In-book : Book 6, Hadith 334
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1789

Islam is a man made religion for many reasons:

--A goat ate the Quran
--The Qur'an was burnt
--The Qur'an was abrogated ( Changed or abandoned ) to cover-up the lies embedded in the revelation.
--Some revelations like adult breastfeeding and temporary marriages were cancelled by followers of Muhammad . Saying , '' this can't be from God ''
-- In Islam , innocent babies can go to hell.
--Satan was gave Muhammad satanic verses to recite and to bow down to the 3 daughters of Allah.
-- Muhammad was the only bewitched prophet in history.
-- The hadith's are not reliable although they are called '' authentic'' .
-- Allah and Muhammad could not perform any signs and wonders like the God of the Bible.
-- Muhammad had to kill and enforce people to accept Islam
-- Islam practices are the same with the pre Islamic period of idol worshippers. They converted the Kabah used by idol worshippers to Allah's house. They tawaf Safah and Mawa like the idol worshippers. They kiss or point to the black stone during hadj.
--The crescent moon and star sign at the top most mosques is a sign that Allah is a moon god . People had been worshipping the moon and stars even b4 Judaism and Christianity .

Deuteronomy 4:19 KJV
And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Are all these not pointing to the fact that Islam is of the devil ?

enilove:




Allah is not God Almighty.

enilove:

Had it been he was, he would not have listened to Muhammad to reveal the Quran in 7 dialects , because he would have known beforehand that it will create error and mistakes which would lead to burning of the Quran at last.

enilove:

Uthman had to correct the mistakes of your moon god Allah by burning the words of Allah .

enilove:

Hadith

Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:

Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.

Sahih Muslim 821 a

In-book : Book 6, Hadith 334

USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1789

enilove:

Islam is a man made religion for many reasons:

enilove:

--A goat ate the Quran

enilove:

--The Qur'an was burnt

enilove:

--The Qur'an was abrogated ( Changed or abandoned ) to cover-up the lies embedded in the revelation.

enilove:

--Some revelations like adult breastfeeding and temporary marriages were cancelled by followers of Muhammad . Saying , '' this can't be from God ''

enilove:

--Satan was gave Muhammad satanic verses to recite and to bow down to the 3 daughters of Allah.

enilove:

-- Muhammad was the only bewitched prophet in history.

enilove:

-- The hadith's are not reliable although they are called '' authentic'' .

enilove:

-- Allah and Muhammad could not perform any signs and wonders like the God of the Bible.

enilove:

In Islam , innocent babies can go to hell.

enilove:

-- Muhammad had to kill and enforce people to accept Islam

enilove:

-- Islam practices are the same with the pre Islamic period of idol worshippers. They converted the Kabah used by idol worshippers to Allah's house. They tawaf Safah and Mawa like the idol worshippers.

enilove:

They kiss or point to the black stone during hadj.

enilove:

--The crescent moon and star sign at the top most mosques is a sign that Allah is a moon god .

enilove:

People had been worshipping the moon and stars even b4 Judaism and Christianity ..

enilove:

Are all these not pointing to the fact that Islam is of the devil ?

enilove:


You are an habitual liar .
I showed you an evidence from your authentic book that Quran was revealed in 7 dialect and you are still saying it was revealed in one dialect. Have you drank camel urine ? What is the matter with you? Here it is again :

Hadith
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:

Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.

SAHIH Muslim 821 a
In-book : Book 6, Hadith 334
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1789  

enilove:

There was no Quraysh version and other versions .

enilove:

The only one that was in circulation was the one Abu Bakr and Umar ask Zaid bin Thabit to compiled . People had been having problems with the recitations b4 the Quran of Abu Bakr was compiled.

enilove:

There were different recitations during the time of Muhammad which caused differences among his followers.
Despite this , the Quran is still full of blunders and errors till date.

enilove:

You also lied that there is only one version of the Quran . What about '' Wsrsh version '' used in Algeria , Morocco , Tunisia , Sudan.

enilove:

There is also the Hafs versions , which is more common around the world .

enilove:

There are more than 30 versions with differences in there compositions and various contradictory errors .

enilove:

For example , the Hafs version in Surah 43 : 19 says '' They are slaves of the Most Gracious ''

enilove:

While the Warsh version says '' They are with the most Gracious ''.

Which one should we take ?

enilove:
@compton11.
You can keep on believing in the god of Islam.
What you fail to realise is that , the lies you believe will not change to the truth.

When it comes to where to spend eternity , only fools take it for granted.

There are many evidence that I have revealed to you but you are taking them for granted.

One question I want you to answer is this .

What is your proof that Muhammad was a prophet ?

This is simple , isn't it ?

Show your evidence.

mhmsadyq:


This is it:

[61:8] Al-Ṣaff-الصَّفّ
"یُرِیۡدُوۡنَ لِیُطۡفِـُٔوۡا نُوۡرَ اللّٰہِ بِاَفۡوَاہِہِمۡ وَ اللّٰہُ مُتِمُّ نُوۡرِہٖ وَ لَوۡ کَرِہَ الۡکٰفِرُوۡنَ ﴿۸﴾

These (deniers of the truth) desire to put out the Light of Allah by (blowing) with their mouths, whereas Allah will take His Light to perfection, even though the disbelievers may dislike it intensely.

[61:9] Al-Ṣaff-الصَّفّ
"ہُوَ الَّذِیۡۤ اَرۡسَلَ رَسُوۡلَہٗ بِالۡہُدٰی وَ دِیۡنِ الۡحَقِّ لِیُظۡہِرَہٗ عَلَی الدِّیۡنِ کُلِّہٖ وَ لَوۡ کَرِہَ الۡمُشۡرِکُوۡنَ ٪﴿۹﴾

He is the One Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the Din (Religion) of truth so that He may make it dominate and prevail over all other religions, even though the idolaters may hate it much.

[9:33] Al-Tawbah-التَّوْبَة
"ہُوَ الَّذِیۡۤ اَرۡسَلَ رَسُوۡلَہٗ بِالۡہُدٰی وَ دِیۡنِ الۡحَقِّ لِیُظۡہِرَہٗ عَلَی الدِّیۡنِ کُلِّہٖ ۙ وَ لَوۡ کَرِہَ الۡمُشۡرِکُوۡنَ ﴿۳۳﴾

Allah is He Who sent His Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) with guidance and the Din (Religion) of truth to make him (the Messenger) dominant over every (other exponent of) Din (Religion), though much to the dislike of the polytheists.

compton11:
have u tell that to Arab Christians and Arab Jews?
Cos u are here showing your ignorance.

wow u that your own came from Yahweh
Give me evidence of this from the Bible

Going to Church on Sunday
Clapping and dancing in church
Where Jesus or Yahweh commanded you to be Christian.
Where did Yahweh commanded you to go to Jerusalem every year


evidence of where he enforced people to Islam and evidence of where he kill people with his hand.

Which one is original?