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My brother, this is why the organization says
"avoid having anything to do with Apostates" Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11

It's certain that they're prepared for destruction, they will not enter God's Kingdom and they're battle prepared to hinder anyone on the path to life!
"Woe to you who are versed in the Law, because you took away the key of knowledge. You yourselves did not go in, and you hinder those going in!” Luke 11:52


Can you imagine that this same good for nothing Bondatt popped out from nowhere two years ago on this forum threatening to report me to the elders of my congregation for chatting with Apostates?
The useless miscreant then addressed me as 'brother' then i asked him

"if you address me as (brother) but planning to go and report me for chatting with you (an Apostate) please do you truly know what you're doing?"

Then he brought out the pictures of brothers in my congregation with whom i was doing MLM back then thinking i'm the one he saw in the WhatsApp dp. I was just laughing at the idiot then i told him that even if a member of the GB should mess with me and i give him a dirty slap both of us will sit down before a panel to explain what transpired between us. Nobody is above the law!
My brother what drove away these people from the fold is pride, they feel they can do and undo due to the privileges they had among God's people but when they're humbled they decided to turn against Jehovah thinking they're against humans since it's people they're seeing.
Their torment begins each time they find a newly interested person who is standing firm for the same organization they're against.

The secret they don't know is that Lazarus (you) are now in the bosom of father Abraham (Jehovah's organization) they're not interested in answers to their questions what they're trying to find out is how strong is your faith.
That's why father Abraham (Jehovah's organization) doesn't want Lazarus (you) to cool their thirst (torment in their hearts). Luke 16:19-26
Do you remember the rich man said he has brothers he doesn't want to come into the same condition? Luke 16:28
Well they're many in the world, you're now meeting them on faceless social media just as the rich man and his brothers remain anonymous till today. Notice that Jesus mentioned the name of the favoured servant (Lazarus) but what's the name of the rich man? What about his brothers?
That's to show you that they're always hiding in the dark to shoot their arrows into the light. No wonder even Jesus didn't know them! Matthew 7:23

needanswer:
My error. I have subsequently explained the law without the IGNORANCE PART in my previous answer.

Bondatt:
Lol. I have been reading this with smile on my face. The more you read, the clearer it becomes that needanswer is not actually looking for answers. He's seeking for validation of his held belief by hoping to win an argument.

I laugh. If you know who some of us were in the organization and what our "privileges of service" were, you won't even fancy this your show of "wit".

Rottennaija has asked you questions which you have tried to wriggle your way out of.
The questions remain

1) John 6:54 since you agree that this scripture applies to those with the heavenly hope, how come your organization teaches that the resurrection of the "anointed" started in 1914?
Notice that the Bible says . "I will resurrect him ON the last day". Jesus did not say "IN" the last day as if to suggest an extended period of time.

Please answer that.

2) According to Romans 8:14 are you led by God's Spirit or are you led by the flesh?
Please note that it is only those two options that are presented in the book of Romans. So please answer. Are you led by the spirit or flesh?

Please answer this too.

3) here comes my own questions. You say Jesus is your mediator. This is funny. The organization teaches that Jesus is not your mediator but the mediator of the 144,000 only. How do you reconcile this? BTW, if you doubt me, I will show you from your own publication

4) You claimed your Bible study "conductor" taught you that God has always have an Organization. Okay fair enough, now who or what where God's Organization in the 1100's, 1200's, 1300's, 1400's ... Before Russell had his start in the late 1800's?

Please answer this one too

5) my final question. Your organization claims to have been chosen in 1919 by Christ after inspection to be the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Please provide Biblical, Empirical, and historical proof to support this claim.

Show us in the Bible where this was foretold so that we can examine together. Then tell us the criteria for picking your organization as outlined by your organization let's and lets examine if your organization met this requirement.


We dey wait for answer.

Hello there.

Most of what you asked I have addressed, unless you like me repeating myself which from my comments here i dont. So please read my comments prior to this to find your answers there.

And not to be caught in answering too many questions I will only be answering the OP and a handful of other people I started the trend with.

Thanks again for reaching out.

MaxInDHouse:
My brother, this is why the organization says
"avoid having anything to do with Apostates" Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11

It's certain that they're prepared for destruction, they will not enter God's Kingdom and they're battle prepared to hinder anyone on the path to life!
"Woe to you who are versed in the Law, because you took away the key of knowledge. You yourselves did not go in, and you hinder those going in!” Luke 11:52


Can you imagine that this same good for nothing Bondatt popped out from nowhere two years ago on this forum threatening to report me to the elders of my congregation for chatting with Apostates?
The useless miscreant then addressed me as 'brother' then i asked him

"if you address me as (brother) but planning to go and report me for chatting with you (an Apostate) please do you truly know what you're doing?"

Then he brought out the pictures of brothers in my congregation with whom i was doing MLM back then thinking i'm the one he saw in the WhatsApp dp. I was just laughing at the idiot then i told him that even if a member of the GB should mess with me and i give him a dirty slap both of us will sit down before a panel to explain what transpired between us. Nobody is above the law!
My brother what drove away these people from the fold is pride, they feel they can do and undo due to the privileges they had among God's people but when they're humbled they decided to turn against Jehovah thinking they're against humans since it's people they're seeing.
Their torment begins each time they find a newly interested person who is standing firm for the same organization they're against.

The secret they don't know is that Lazarus (you) are now in the bosom of father Abraham (Jehovah's organization) they're not interested in answers to their questions what they're trying to find out is how strong is your faith.
That's why father Abraham (Jehovah's organization) doesn't want Lazarus (you) to cool their thirst (torment in their hearts). Luke 16:19-26
Do you remember the rich man said he has brothers he doesn't want to come into the same condition? Luke 16:28
Well they're many in the world, you're now meeting them on faceless social media just as the rich man and his brothers remain anonymous till today. Notice that Jesus mentioned the name of the favoured servant (Lazarus) but what's the name of the rich man? What about his brothers?
That's to show you that they're always hiding in the dark to shoot their arrows into the light. No wonder even Jesus didn't know them! Matthew 7:23

I agree with you. They arent really interested in my answers but my faith.

Like they keep asking the same question I have addressed already. I dont see any need to answer a question I have clearly answered unless you want me to change my stance.

And my view point is what i learnt from the bible, 2 Tim 3:16,17.

Bondatt:
I agree Good point. If he doesn't provide genuine answers to any of the questions there would be no need pursuing a conversation with him further.

That's what I see too. Too many questions is giving him room to roam. As long as he knows questions lead people to answers he has no problem based on his monicker needanswer

He thought that will make any sense!
I have met a missionary who left the organization simply because he wasn't appointed as member of the Governing Body. My brother can you imagine i met this man even while i'm yet to get baptized?
After a lengthy chat with him he burst into tears because i made him feel that Jehovah still care for him no matter his condition. That's when he began telling me that his two sons are elders in their respective congregations and one is even the coordinator of his congregation!

The questions i asked him that brought tears out of his eyes:
"Who inculcated the truth in the hearts of your sons?" Deuteronomy 6:7
"Who is now battling to remove what you taught them from their hearts?"
"What do you think about Korah and his sons?"

Then he typed Please stop! stop!! stop!!! you're already making me cry!
My brother even i that has not shed tears ever since i became a soldier burst into tears that very day!

DappaD:
Whether you be RP, MS, elder, CO, Bethelite before you comot, nobody really send so don’t even play that card. After all Korah had privilege of carrying the ark of the Testimony along with the other Kohathites(Numbers 4:4-15) but later become rebellious(Numbers 16:1-3), does it mean that Jehovah is no longer the true God(Deuteronomy 4:39) or did that nullify his covenant with the nation of Israel? Exodus 19:5
Or what of Jesus who personally chose Judas Iscariot to be one of his foremost disciples(Mark 3:14-19) and even received the privilege of handling monetal affairs(John 13:29) but later was driven by greed &betrayed his master(Matthew 26:47), does that mean that Jesus had poor judgment and ceased being the only way to the true God? John 14:6

DappaD:
Whether you be RP, MS, elder, CO, Bethelite before you comot, nobody really send so don’t even play that card. After all Korah had privilege of carrying the ark of the Testimony along with the other Kohathites(Numbers 4:4-15) but later become rebellious(Numbers 16:1-3), does it mean that Jehovah is no longer the true God(Deuteronomy 4:39) or did that nullify his covenant with the nation of Israel? Exodus 19:5
Or what of Jesus who personally chose Judas Iscariot to be one of his foremost disciples(Mark 3:14-19) and even received the privilege of handling monetal affairs(John 13:29) but later was driven by greed &betrayed his master(Matthew 26:47), does that mean that Jesus had poor judgment and ceased being the only way to the true God? John 14:6

Jehovah and Jesus is not WTBTS, Jehovah and Jesus is not your religious leaders. WTBTS is not the way to God.

Whether you be RP, MS, elder, CO, Bethelite before you comot, nobody really send so don’t even play that card

Na to show needanswer that the tactics applied is one bondatt is familiar with.

MaxInDHouse:
He thought that will make any sense!
I have met a missionary who left the organization simply because he wasn't appointed as member of the Governing Body. My brother can you imagine i met this man even while i'm yet to get baptized?
After a lengthy chat with him he burst into tears because i made him feel that Jehovah still care for him no matter his condition. That's when he began telling me that his two sons are elders in their respective congregations and one is even the coordinator of his congregation!

The questions i asked him that brought tears out of his eyes:
"Who inculcated the truth in the hearts of your sons?" Deuteronomy 6:7
"Who is now battling to remove what you taught them from their hearts?"
"What do you think about Korah and his sons?"

Then he typed Please stop! stop!! stop!!! you're already making me cry!
My brother even i that has not shed tears ever since i became a soldier burst into tears that very day!

I have met a missionary who left the organization simply because he wasn't appointed as member of the Governing Body.

After long years of serving in your religious organization as a missionary he is closer to your religious leaders than God. Chai. He was serving to become one of your religious leaders

Na your fingers type am.

needanswer:
I agree with you. They arent really interested in my answers but my faith.
Like they keep asking the same question I have addressed already. I dont see any need to answer a question I have clearly answered unless you want me to change my stance.
And my view point is what i learnt from the bible, 2 Tim 3:16,17.

They know everything you know now {Luke 11:52} but one thing that's missing in them is the TRUTH about One Lord one faith and one baptism {Ephesians 4:5} If God is one then all his worshipers must speak in agreement as one family {John 17:20-23} anything out of this fact is rebellion and that is rebellion against God's Holy Spirit not humans! Mark 3:28-29

MaxInDHouse:
My brother, this is why the organization says
"avoid having anything to do with Apostates" Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11

It's certain that they're prepared for destruction, they will not enter God's Kingdom and they're battle prepared to hinder anyone on the path to life!
"Woe to you who are versed in the Law, because you took away the key of knowledge. You yourselves did not go in, and you hinder those going in!” Luke 11:52


Can you imagine that this same good for nothing Bondatt popped out from nowhere two years ago on this forum threatening to report me to the elders of my congregation for chatting with Apostates?
The useless miscreant then addressed me as 'brother' then i asked him

"if you address me as (brother) but planning to go and report me for chatting with you (an Apostate) please do you truly know what you're doing?"

Then he brought out the pictures of brothers in my congregation with whom i was doing MLM back then thinking i'm the one he saw in the WhatsApp dp. I was just laughing at the idiot then i told him that even if a member of the GB should mess with me and i give him a dirty slap both of us will sit down before a panel to explain what transpired between us. Nobody is above the law!
My brother what drove away these people from the fold is pride, they feel they can do and undo due to the privileges they had among God's people but when they're humbled they decided to turn against Jehovah thinking they're against humans since it's people they're seeing.
Their torment begins each time they find a newly interested person who is standing firm for the same organization they're against.

The secret they don't know is that Lazarus (you) are now in the bosom of father Abraham (Jehovah's organization) they're not interested in answers to their questions what they're trying to find out is how strong is your faith.
That's why father Abraham (Jehovah's organization) doesn't want Lazarus (you) to cool their thirst (torment in their hearts). Luke 16:19-26
Do you remember the rich man said he has brothers he doesn't want to come into the same condition? Luke 16:28
Well they're many in the world, you're now meeting them on faceless social media just as the rich man and his brothers remain anonymous till today. Notice that Jesus mentioned the name of the favoured servant (Lazarus) but what's the name of the rich man? What about his brothers?
That's to show you that they're always hiding in the dark to shoot their arrows into the light. No wonder even Jesus didn't know them! Matthew 7:23

My brother, this is why the organization says
"avoid having anything to do with Apostates" Romans 16:17; 2 John 10-11

And he hardly keep is WORDS on that. Always back and forth as usual.

It's certain that they're prepared for destruction, they will not enter God's Kingdom and they're battle prepared to hinder anyone on the path to life!


Jesus in the making Even the ORGANIZATION you belong knows MaxInDHouse cannot decide that who enters or not

That's a very good example of speaking in unity which is not REBELLION

MaxInDHouse:
They know everything you know now {Luke 11:52} but one thing that's missing in them is the TRUTH about One Lord one faith and one baptism {Ephesians 4:5} If God is one then all his worshipers must speak in agreement as one family {John 17:20-23} anything out of this fact is rebellion and that is rebellion against God's Holy Spirit not humans! Mark 3:28-29

Hmmmm. That's deep. Sadly true.

He is American, white skinned, served as missionary for years with few brothers who are now members of the Governing Body or assistance to the GB.

But regarding being closer to our leaders than God, please remind me of the name of any Israelite who was a contemporary of Moses that's close to God without first of all been close to Moses (God's representative on earth) then!

So the old man left the organization and deceiving himself that he's still serving Jehovah when he's now far away from Jehovah's Organized people.

Korah was exterminated not because he turned away from God's representative (Moses) but because he was battling to break God's Organization under the supervision of Jehovah's representative (Moses)

So this matter is clear Sir!

achorladey:
I have met a missionary who left the organization simply because he wasn't appointed as member of the Governing Body.
After long years of serving in your religious organization as a missionary he is closer to your religious leaders than God. Chai. He was serving to become one of your religious leaders
Na your fingers type am.

MaxInDHouse:
He is American, white skinned, served as missionary for years with few brothers who are now members of the Governing Body or assistance to the GB.

But regarding being closer to our leaders than God, please remind me of the name of any Israelite who was a contemporary of Moses that's close to God without first of all been close to Moses (God's representative on earth) then!

So the old man left the organization and deceiving himself that he's still serving Jehovah when he's now far away from Jehovah's Organized people.

Korah was exterminated not because he turned away from God's representative (Moses) but because he was battling to break God's Organization under the supervision of Jehovah's representative (Moses)

So this matter is clear Sir!

He is American, white skinned, served as missionary for years with few brothers who are now members of the Governing Body or assistance to the GB.

Spare me the skin colour. I wonder it's relevance to the discussion.

But regarding being closer to our leaders than God, please remind me of the name of any Israelite who was a contemporary of Moses that's close to God without first of all been close to Moses (God's representative on earth) then


Learn to read and understand/comprehend what is typed. Here it is....

he is closer to your religious leaders than God. Comparison at play. The reason he left the organization. His long years of service was to men and what he wants to achieve not closer to God.

So the old man left the organization and deceiving himself that he's still serving Jehovah when he's now far away from Jehovah's Organized people.

He had to leave because the men he believed in let him down. He is closer to them than God

Korah was exterminated not because he turned away from God's representative (Moses) but because he was battling to break God's Organization under the supervision of Jehovah's representative (Moses)

Battling to break God's organization Oga go read that scripture again.

My brother, the book (Bible) was given to mankind for a purpose:
To help honest hearted and sincere individuals IDENTIFY Jesus' group during the endtime!

The Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures (Old Testament) was written to help the Israelites IDENTIFY the Messiah and those following him when he arrives. That's why after Peter has proved from the Old Testament that Jesus (whom the Jews killed) was the promised Messiah and that his followers are the favoured Jews whom God is now dealing with in the first century. Honest hearted and sincere Jews were stabbed to the heart, they asked Peter and the Apostles "Men, brothers what must we do?" {Act 2:14-37} just imagine these are all Israelites sons of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Please if anyone after that event goes back home expecting God to come and show him anything else apart from the evidence at Pentecost, can we say such a Jew still knows what he is doing?

Now the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) was written to help people in the endtime IDENTIFY Jesus' true disciples when Satan's agents are everywhere claiming Christians. The sign Jesus foretold will help honest hearted and sincere individuals during our time is the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit in the midst of his group.
People globally will testify to the fact that there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating the gathering of just one group! Matthew 7:16-18
So Satan gets really angry each time you ask the question:
"Which Organization of imperfect humans fit in to that description today?"
That's why Apostates often try to sweep that under the carpet then continue disturbing you with questions even when you tell them you don't know much they just don't want to talk about an organized people worshiping God as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23 compare to Micah 4:1-3

needanswer:
Hmmmm. That's deep. Sadly true.

needanswer:
I agree with you. They arent really interested in my answers but my faith.

Like they keep asking the same question I have addressed already. I dont see any need to answer a question I have clearly answered unless you want me to change my stance.

And my view point is what i learnt from the bible, 2 Tim 3:16,17.

They arent really interested in my answers but my faith.

I laughed to the above. The discussion won't get to this were what you stated above is correct.


And my view point is what i learnt from the bible, 2 Tim 3:16,17

Jw believe 1914 was the year people going to heaven started to ascend. They call this period the last days. Of cause not all because some are still alive and haven't joined christ in heaven.

Two bolded part are typed by you. One is definitely your viewpoint the other is not. Or both are your view point. Which is correct?

And I stated earlier there are a lot of "the person conducting my study taught me this taught me that in your post". Are you "studying your conductors?" or are you "studying the Bible?".

MaxInDHouse:
My brother, the book (Bible) was given to mankind for a purpose:
To help honest hearted and sincere individuals IDENTIFY Jesus' group during the endtime!

The Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures (Old Testament) was written to help the Israelites IDENTIFY the Messiah and those following him when he arrives. That's why after Peter has proved from the Old Testament that Jesus (whom the Jews killed) was the promised Messiah and that his followers are the favoured Jews whom God is now dealing with in the first century. Honest hearted and sincere Jews were stabbed to the heart, they asked Peter and the Apostles "Men, brothers what must we do?" {Act 2:14-37} just imagine these are all Israelites sons of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Please if anyone after that event goes back home expecting God to come and show him anything else apart from the evidence at Pentecost, can we say such a Jew still knows what he is doing?

Now the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) was written to help people in the endtime IDENTIFY Jesus' true disciples when Satan's agents are everywhere claiming Christians. The sign Jesus foretold will help honest hearted and sincere individuals during our time is the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit in the midst of his group.
People globally will testify to the fact that there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating the gathering of just one group! Matthew 7:16-18
So Satan gets really angry each time you ask the question:
"Which Organization of imperfect humans fit in to that description today?"
That's why Apostates often try to sweep that under the carpet then continue disturbing you with questions even when you tell them you don't know much they just don't want to talk about an organized people worshiping God as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23 compare to Micah 4:1-3

That bolder part is one of the key things that struck me with the Jw's. I have considers a lot of religions outside christianity including atheism and nothing makes sense.

Only the Jw makes sense.

MaxInDHouse:
My brother, the book (Bible) was given to mankind for a purpose:
To help honest hearted and sincere individuals IDENTIFY Jesus' group during the endtime!

The Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures (Old Testament) was written to help the Israelites IDENTIFY the Messiah and those following him when he arrives. That's why after Peter has proved from the Old Testament that Jesus (whom the Jews killed) was the promised Messiah and that his followers are the favoured Jews whom God is now dealing with in the first century. Honest hearted and sincere Jews were stabbed to the heart, they asked Peter and the Apostles "Men, brothers what must we do?" {Act 2:14-37} just imagine these are all Israelites sons of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Please if anyone after that event goes back home expecting God to come and show him anything else apart from the evidence at Pentecost, can we say such a Jew still knows what he is doing?

Now the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) was written to help people in the endtime IDENTIFY Jesus' true disciples when Satan's agents are everywhere claiming Christians. The sign Jesus foretold will help honest hearted and sincere individuals during our time is the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit in the midst of his group.
People globally will testify to the fact that there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating the gathering of just one group! Matthew 7:16-18
So Satan gets really angry each time you ask the question:
"Which Organization of imperfect humans fit in to that description today?"
That's why Apostates often try to sweep that under the carpet then continue disturbing you with questions even when you tell them you don't know much they just don't want to talk about an organized people worshiping God as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23 compare to Micah 4:1-3

Which Organization of imperfect humans fit in to that description today?

And that is the question that has haunted your religious organization down till this day because nowhere was any of such Organization of imperfect HUMANS mentioned in the scripture?

needanswer:
That bolder part is one of the key things that struck me with the Jw's. I have considers a lot of religions outside christianity including atheism and nothing makes sense.

Only the Jw makes sense.

Thanks for letting me know that they(you know those I am talking about) too are a religion.

Satan has been put to shame in his life, he's back in the congregation of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES now but he told me he'll prefer a congregation far away from all those who know him.
He has also left the unbelieving mate he was dating after he was disfellowshiped, one of his sons chat with me on Facebook messenger, that's the one discussing with me now regarding his progress.
He just revealed few things to me before introducing me to his son through Facebook, he told me not to say anything about him until i become a close friend of the young man because they also don't want to have anything to do with him according to what's written in the scriptures.
So after about two months i met his son i began asking the young man questions about America and other things, he was flowing with me until i asked of his parents then he kept talking about his dead mother but said nothing about his dad.
That's how i brought up the matter and when he discovered i've known his father he wanted to stop chatting with me but when i showed him the screenshot of our discussion he was moved with pity for his old man. So he talked to the elders in his congregation and two elders were sent to pay him a visit. Though i've made him realize that he's loosing everything due to his pride but if he should humble himself like the prodigal son JEHOVAH will take him back. So he followed the scriptural advice from a black man (Maximus) and today now he's happily reunited with his family so he is now back in God's Organization!

achorladey:
He is American, white skinned, served as missionary for years with few brothers who are now members of the Governing Body or assistance to the GB.
Spare me the skin colour. I wonder it's relevance to the discussion.
But regarding being closer to our leaders than God, please remind me of the name of any Israelite who was a contemporary of Moses that's close to God without first of all been close to Moses (God's representative on earth) then
Learn to read and understand/comprehend what is typed. Here it is....
he is closer to your religious leaders than God. Comparison at play. The reason he left the organization. His long years of service was to men and what he wants to achieve not closer to God.
So the old man left the organization and deceiving himself that he's still serving Jehovah when he's now far away from Jehovah's Organized people.
He had to leave because the men he believed in let him down. He is closer to them than God
Korah was exterminated not because he turned away from God's representative (Moses) but because he was battling to break God's Organization under the supervision of Jehovah's representative (Moses)
Battling to break God's organization Oga go read that scripture again.

MaxInDHouse:
Satan has been put to shame in his life, he's back in the congregation of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES now but he told me he'll prefer a congregation far away from all those who know him.
He has also left the unbelieving mate he was dating after he was disfellowshiped, one of his sons chat with me on Facebook messenger, that's the one discussing with me now regarding his progress.
He just revealed few things to me before introducing me to his son through Facebook, he told me not to say anything about him until i become a close friend of the young man because they also don't want to have anything to do with him according to what's written in the scriptures.
So after about two months i met his son i began asking the young man questions about America and other things, he was flowing with me until i asked of his parents then he kept talking about his dead mother but said nothing about his dad.
That's how i brought up the matter and when he discovered i've known his father he wanted to stop chatting with me but when i showed him the screenshot of our discussion he was moved with pity for his old man. So he talked to the elders in his congregation and two elders were sent to pay him a visit. Though i've made him realize that he's loosing everything due to his pride but if he should humble himself like the prodigal son JEHOVAH will take him back. So he followed the scriptural advice from a black man (Maximus) and today now he's happily reunited with his family so he is now back in God's Organization!

Oga I didn't need your story story. The lessons needed to be drawn is made clear already. Keep that in your note. Should he fail to heed what happened the first time. Be kind enough to notify him or wait for the part two again to happen

You and i have a lot in common my brother!

The same thing happened to me but unlike you i was stubborn o. Do you know i left JWs for about two decades searching for another religion that's at least a bit closer to JWs because i found it demeaning carrying bags up and down to visit people who don't know me (univited)
So it's after going through so many religious beliefs including atheism that i discovered none makes sense except JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

needanswer:
That bolder part is one of the key things that struck me with the Jw's. I have considers a lot of religions outside christianity including atheism and nothing makes sense.
Only the Jw makes sense.

achorladey:
They arent really interested in my answers but my faith.

I laughed to the above. The discussion won't get to this were what you stated above is correct.


And my view point is what i learnt from the bible, 2 Tim 3:16,17

Jw believe 1914 was the year people going to heaven started to ascend. They call this period the last days. Of cause not all because some are still alive and haven't joined christ in heaven.

Two bolded part are typed by you. One is definitely your viewpoint the other is not. Or both are your view point. Which is correct?

And I stated earlier there are a lot of "the person conducting my study taught me this taught me that in your post". Are you "studying your conductors?" or are you "studying the Bible?".

I am humble to admit I was taught something and I will still conveniently say it when I have too.

I am not a Jw yet, so that is why sometimes i make that reference, but the sentiments behind it are mine because I have come to believe them too. That is why during my discussion with the OP I make reference to the bible and still explain concepts from the bible. I defend what I now know from the bible as true.

As for your later question I already answered it. I am majorly replying you because of the statement I made above and not the later question you ask. I will drop the answer I gave Op to you again so you can read it. Please bear in mind, if you ask me this same question after I post my response here I may fail to reply you. Thanks.



My first answer, the summary

5. That refers to people going to heaven primarily, as it follows with what I have explained above. Of cause secondarily those staying on earth will equally be resurrected but they cant eat the holy communion as I explained because they havent been chosen.


My second answer below, when he asked again seeking some clarification.

I will only address John 6:54. John 6:54 poses more problems for you than for me. I'll briefly explain.

Jw believe 1914 was the year people going to heaven started to ascend. They call this period the last days. Of cause not all because some are still alive and haven't joined christ in heaven,{ they will continue to do that until the last day of satan's world}

You dont believe in 1914, as such you believe christ started to rule in heaven immediately after his resurrection. So when does your last day start or end?

Did it start more than 2000 years ago, after the apostles died and "went to heaven" down to this time? How many centuries has since past?

Or do you believe the last day is still ahead, and so all the apostles are still dead and in the grave?

Sorry to disappoint you Sir, my brother has learnt his lesson the hard way just like the prodigal son.

Of course his parents were anointed so he thought automatically he's qualified for any post in the Organization. He even partook during the eating of the emblem in the past until God's Holy Spirit fished him out as not part of them.
Today he's hoping to live forever in Paradise on earth!

achorladey:
Oga I didn't need your story story. The lessons needed to be drawn is made clear already. Keep that in your note. Should he fail to heed what happened the first time. Be kind enough to notify him or wait for the part two again to happen

MaxInDHouse:
You and i have a lot in common my brother!

The same thing happened to me but unlike you i was stubborn o. Do you know i left JWs for about two decades searching for another religion that's at least a bit closer to JWs because i found it demeaning carrying bags up and down to visit people who don't know me (univited)
So it's after going through so many religious beliefs including atheism that i discovered none makes sense except JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

You are a case study on your own . 2 decades wow! Mine is less than a year

So you think they will answer your own question shey?

Come on my brother, these are arrogant humans who see themselves as above any school of thought so they will never answer your question rather they'll be asking you questions as if you're a criminal under investigation!

needanswer:
I am humble to admit I was taught something and I will still conveniently say it when I have too.
I am not a Jw yet, so that is why sometimes i make that reference, but the sentiments behind it are mine because I have come to believe them too. That is why during my discussion with the OP I make reference to the bible and still explain concepts from the bible. I defend what I now know from the bible as true. As for your later question I already answered it. I am majorly replying you because of the statement I made above and not the later question you ask. I will drop the answer I gave Op to you again so you can read it. Please bear in mind, if you ask me this same question after I post my response here I may fail to reply you. Thanks.
My first answer, the summary
5. That refers to people going to heaven primarily, as it follows with what I have explained above. Of cause secondarily those staying on earth will equally be resurrected but they cant eat the holy communion as I explained because they havent been chosen.
My second answer below, when he asked again seeking some clarification.
I will only address John 6:54. John 6:54 poses more problems for you than for me. I'll briefly explain.

Jw believe 1914 was the year people going to heaven started to ascend. They call this period the last days. Of cause not all because some are still alive and haven't joined christ in heaven,{ they will continue to do that until the last day of satan's world}

You dont believe in 1914, as such you believe christ started to rule in heaven immediately after his resurrection. So when does your last day start or end?

Did it start more than 2000 years ago, after the apostles died and "went to heaven" down to this time? How many centuries has since past?

Or do you believe the last day is still ahead, and so all the apostles are still dead and in the grave?

To be condid with you had it been i found any religion a bit close to JWs intelligence walahi talahi i will not return o. But when i discovered there's none i returned!

needanswer:
You are a case study on your own . 2 decades wow! Mine is less than a year

needanswer:
I am humble to admit I was taught something and I will still conveniently say it when I have too.

I am not a Jw yet, so that is why sometimes i make that reference, but the sentiments behind it are mine because I have come to believe them too. That is why during my discussion with the OP I make reference to the bible and still explain concepts from the bible. I defend what I now know from the bible as true.

As for your later question I already answered it. I am majorly replying you because of the statement I made above and not the later question you ask. I will drop the answer I gave Op to you again so you can read it. Please bear in mind, if you ask me this same question after I post my response here I may fail to reply you. Thanks.



My first answer, the summary

5. That refers to people going to heaven primarily, as it follows with what I have explained above. Of cause secondarily those staying on earth will equally be resurrected but they cant eat the holy communion as I explained because they havent been chosen.


My second answer below, when he asked again seeking some clarification.

I will only address John 6:54. John 6:54 poses more problems for you than for me. I'll briefly explain.

Jw believe 1914 was the year people going to heaven started to ascend. They call this period the last days. Of cause not all because some are still alive and haven't joined christ in heaven,{ they will continue to do that until the last day of satan's world}

You dont believe in 1914, as such you believe christ started to rule in heaven immediately after his resurrection. So when does your last day start or end?

Did it start more than 2000 years ago, after the apostles died and "went to heaven" down to this time? How many centuries has since past?

Or do you believe the last day is still ahead, and so all the apostles are still dead and in the grave?

Two bolded part are typed by you. One is definitely your viewpoint the other is not. Or both are your view point. Which is correct?

From your response now, I can say on your behalf you see your response and answers so far as as your beliefs obtained and backed up by the scripture. I want to believe I am correct about this.

And I stated earlier there are a lot of "the person conducting my study taught me this taught me that in your post". Are you "studying your conductors?" or are you "studying the Bible?"

So I know what to say or state whenever I see this in your post. It basically what you believe. Thanks!

Concerning 1914 and John 6:54 those are not my questions. Those asking will get in touch.

MaxInDHouse:
So you think they will answer your own question shey?

Come on my brother, these are arrogant humans who see themselves as above any school of thought so they will never answer your question rather they'll be asking you questions as if you're a criminal under investigation!

Well that's a pity. Really sad for them.

It's their parents that accepted the truth not them so they're seeing whatever you say as:
What my daddy and mommy have been carrying in their heads all their life, who are you to teach me what i've already known?
So instead of answering your questions gently the way JWs do these ones will like to interrogate you as if you owe them a response!

needanswer:
Well that's a pity. Really sad for them.

MaxInDHouse:
It's their parents that accepted the truth not them so they're seeing whatever you say as:
What my daddy and mommy have been carrying in their heads all their life, who are you to teach me what i've already known?
So instead of answering your questions gently the way JWs do these ones will like to interrogate you as if you owe them a response!

Me I don't have strength for interrogation , let them take it softly o

achorladey:
Two bolded part are typed by you. One is definitely your viewpoint the other is not. Or both are your view point. Which is correct?

From your response now, I can say on your behalf you see your response and answers so far as as your beliefs obtained and backed up by the scripture. I want to believe I am correct about this.

And I stated earlier there are a lot of "the person conducting my study taught me this taught me that in your post". Are you "studying your conductors?" or are you "studying the Bible?"

So I know what to say or state whenever I see this in your post. It basically what you believe. Thanks!

Concerning 1914 and John 6:54 those are not my questions. Those asking will get in touch.

I understand. It's just a quoted answer not necessarily directed at you.

achorladey:
I have met a missionary who left the organization simply because he wasn't appointed as member of the Governing Body.

After long years of serving in your religious organization as a missionary he is closer to your religious leaders than God. Chai. He was serving to become one of your religious leaders

Na your fingers type am.

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