Ekealterego:

Guy go back to school... @Afonjaheadhunts, how do you read this guy's posts?

Ekealterego:

Guy go back to school... @Afonjaheadhunts, how do you read this guy's posts?

Ekealterego:

The website is an African American website that archives speeches.

You are trying to be clever by half... Whoever posted it inserted a comment at the top of the quote, stating something that has nothing to do with the quote.

You claimed that Nnamdi Azikiwe led a breakaway country and stopped the North from taking session.

Why are you people deceitful and chronic liars?

Ojukwu led Biafra and Zik had nothing to do with it neither did he fight on the side of Biafra.

Zik didn't have any powers do decide who should or should not secede. He had no political post. The power was with the British administrators, so how did Zik put that into law.... The speech you posted was more of an opinion and analysis.

You people are obviously not very bright.

orisa37:
THE IGBOS ARE NOT CONSISTENT.

ezenwajosh:
was regional government the reason for the coup? You mean igbos planned a coup against regional government when the amalgamation was forcefully done to use the resources in the south to help the economy of the north?

MrMaestro:
So let me get this straight. Igbos started this thread agreeing with Zik, saying a united nigeria was fine as long as it was run properly and each had regional control/autonomy. Yet when asked why they disagree with Awolowo when he said the same thing, they then shift to say Igbos hate Awolowo because he orchestrated the food blockade. But when it was stated that Ojukwus forces were stealing the food, they then shift to say they would never steal the food, they merely rejected the food for "fear of their people being poisoned". So then in that case, why again is Awolowo hated then?!?

And if you all really agree with Zik on this premise, why exactly are people clamoring for Biafra? If you mention the lack of regional autonomy and oil, then why exactly did you all support Ojukwu when regionalism had already existed back then before the war?

THIS IS IDIOCY.

I actually love this thread because it proves the underlying nature of the Igbos. They can never stand in truth and honesty, they will perpetrate deception to fulfill their narrative and ambitions even if it goes against logic and truth. And they will lie, cover up, lie and lie and lie again.

Many people think the Igbos and Yorubas have more in common than the Fulanis. Don't let religion fool you. There's NOTHING similar btw Yorubas and Igbos. Which is why I wholeheartedly support Oduduwa Nation. Sometimes arguing with both Igbos and Fulanis is an exercise in masochism.

Ekealterego:

You are definitely not very bright... This is a propaganda devised by a paid BMC sponsored Igbo hater... First, Zik was making an analysis in the speech that was highlighted and Zik did not represent anything Igbo... This was the colonial period, and warrant chiefs were still in charge under the British administrators..

What right does Zik, who was born and raised in the North and a Pan-African to decide for the Igbo nation? He doesn't even have any political post, not even in the Igbo region.

The idiot of low intellect now injected his own opinion stating that Zik wanted to breakaway when it was Ojukwu that broke away.

Mind you, these negroes of low intellect, Nigeria was formed by the British people and Nigeria was still using their laws even at independence and there was nothing or room to discuss secession. Only the British had that power to decide.

MrMaestro:

I'm focused on the bolded. The rest is besides the point.

Why is Zik championed by Igbos then? And why is Awolowo despised? If they both had very similar sentiments?

Ekealterego:

Despise how? The Igbos might despise Awolowo for his role in the war and his cowardice but of course most admire him for putting the interest of Yorubas first. For his policy of education for the Yoruba nation. Igbos did not have that relationship with Zik... He was more like a Pan-Africanist... Have you ever seen Zik in an Igbo attire?... He will die first than find him in an Igbo attire. He spoke Hausa better than he spoke Igbo. He did not represent Igbo interest and that is why people in the East hate him beyond anything.. they respect Ojukwu way more.

The Nigerian state magnified and glorified Zik and named monuments after him and praised him because he was a traitor. The guy fought against the Igbos during the war. . he singlehandedly went to the British government campaigning against Biafran interest during the war. He doesn't represent Igbo interest, not in any way.

MrMaestro:
NOT AT ALL

Ekealterego:

You are definitely not very bright... This is a propaganda devised by a paid BMC sponsored Igbo hater... First, Zik was making an analysis in the speech that was highlighted and Zik did not represent anything Igbo... This was the colonial period, and warrant chiefs were still in charge under the British administrators..

What right does Zik, who was born and raised in the North and a Pan-African to decide for the Igbo nation? He doesn't even have any political post, not even in the Igbo region.

T9ksy:




So zik had no political clout in aligbo land? Same way another one of your duplicitous ilk claimed here that Zik was a nonentity by 1953. I wonder if you guys are talking about a different zik who was the president of the Ibo state union in 1948, the first ethnic grouping in the country.

This same zik was the regional premier of eastern region after his mischievous attempt to preside over the affairs of the yorubas who duly rejected him, 1951.

This was the zik who helped formed the most broad-based political party (NCNC) in Nigeria, in 1944 yet we are meant to believe that he was a nonentity in 1953.

MrMaestro:
So let me get this straight. Igbos started this thread agreeing with Zik, saying a united nigeria was fine as long as it was run properly and each had regional control/autonomy. Yet when asked why they disagree with Awolowo when he said the same thing, they then shift to say Igbos hate Awolowo because he orchestrated the food blockade. But when it was stated that Ojukwus forces were stealing the food, they then shift to say they would never steal the food, they merely rejected the food for "fear of their people being poisoned". So then in that case, why again is Awolowo hated then?!?

And if you all really agree with Zik on this premise, why exactly are people clamoring for Biafra? If you mention the lack of regional autonomy and oil, then why exactly did you all support Ojukwus war ambitions when regionalism had already existed back then before the war?

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ezenwajosh:
We never hated Awolowo for that... We hated Awolowo for the war....

HE HAD RGIONAL GOVERNMENT IN MIND(RESTRUCTURING)
what was agreed in aburi accord (restructuring)
Then Ojukwu and GOWON(who is from platue state) came back and GOWON after being approached by Britain refused to hold up to his end of the signed RESTRUCTURING that was agreed(remember today the people of platue has been over runned by one Nigeria jihadists) ... Now Ojukwu had to declare a state of biafra

Now Awolowo who should say GOWON YOU GOT IT WRONG AND YOU'RE AT FAULT BY NOT HOLDING UP TO WHAT WAS AGREED ON SIDED WITH GOWON AND BLAMED OJUKWU(just like telling the village that was massacred by fulani herdsmen that it's their fault they were killed because they refused RUGA settlement) AND EVEN WENT AS FAR AS SUGGESTING AND USING HUNGER AS A WEAPON OF WAR



TODAY YORUBA PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN SUFFERED HALF THE KILLING OF IGBOS IN NIGERIA BUT THEY WANT OUT..... THEY NOW SEEING SAME THING OJUKWU SAW IN THE CONFIGURATION OF FULANI NORTHERN POLITICS

Am sorry it's all in caps

ezenwajosh:
was Awolowo the one fedding his enemy?

The food and medications was not from Nigeria

How and when did igbos became his enemy..... Research about that too.... On that part you will realize that ABURI ACCORD MEANS RESTRUCTURING and GOWON refuse to hold up his end of the signed RESTRUCTURING

The same restructuring AWOLOWO as you said preached about

The same restructuring Nigeria went to war for in 1967 is the same restructuring Nigeria is begging to have today

Igbos really have paid enough blood to deserve their own nation

Omoslim26:
With what we have here one can intellectually orientate that the great Zik of Africa was very open and not forcefully imposing his opinion on The Northerners.

All I see here is an intelligently constructed submission with plateful of logic to reason with.

The great Zik was a genius.

AdakaBoro8:
then why did ironsi and ojukwu gave shoot a sight order?

2elliot:
Fought hard? How many people did he kill to keep Nigeria as one?

2elliot:
It was just for Awolowo to point to Gowon the need to respect the Aburi Accord. That would have been enough. Whether Gowon heeds to his council or not, he is not to blame and history would have been kind to him in that regards. And I believe things probably would have gone differently.

2elliot:
You are towing the part of history that out progeneitors followed that caused us all the pains we are are enduring today, and make leave for the next generations to come. That is that, we don't speak truth to power. The white men who sat at the roundtable at the Berlin conference to divide africa did not do so with gun fights. The company that sold Nigeria to the British Queen did not do that through gun fighting, and luckily our freedom fighters who were able to persuade the colonial forces did not do that through war. But we now have leaders who enjoy and envy the brutaĺ of rape our collective humanity by the colonial masters have continue from where they stopped. And worst still, we now lack men who can stand against their barbarism.

2elliot:
In what way is he the cause? At the time Nationalists were fighting to see that all black men become free, it was just common sense to ask the north to join in that window of opportunity to be free from the british rule. There is notĥing selfish in what he did at that moment. The north's inferiority complex took the best of them.

gidgiddy:




1. Zik is entitled to his opinion. Zik was nobody in 1953 to determine for the North what to do. If the North wants to secede from Nigeria, nobody can stop them. The North stayed in Nigeria of their own accord

2. Zik did not lead his people out of Nigeria, Ojukwu did. Zik initially supported Biafra but later ran back to his "one Nigeria"


3. Had Zik been alive today to witness what is happening in Nigeria, he would have regretted every second he ever wasted believing in "one Nigeria"

pricklewane:
You Igbos keep shouting Aburi Aburi Aburi.
Let's say one chose to argue like a rationale being can Igbos tell us what was contained in Aburi accord that was lacking in regional government before the millitary orchestrated the first coup ?

ezenwajosh:
Hope you know same thing that brought about the coup is what Samuel Ortom is accusing BUHARI of doing today?

Hope you knew the coup happened so that Awolowo can be installed as head of state?

ezenwajosh:
was regional government the reason for the coup? You mean igbos planned a coup against regional government when the amalgamation was forcefully done to use the resources in the south to help the economy of the north?

Ojiofor:


Was Zik in control of the military when the debate was on going?
Does he have the power to stop the north if actually they meant business?

Ekealterego:

You are such an illiterate... This article itself is baseless... In 1953, Zik had no power or position whatsoever, the power was with the British people. Nigeria is still a British property with British administrators...

Secondly, what the illiterate wrote in the article, Zik did not support Biafra, in fact, he was on the side of Nigeria and was fighting on behalf of Nigeria. He was basically a traitor.

Ekealterego:

There is nothing overtly reputable about that website, It is similar to Wikipedia.. You can post facts and mix them with opinions. In the speech you posted Zik clearly stating an opinion and was nothing even forceful.. he did not remove secession into law and had no rights... Zik was born and raised in Zungeru, Niger state and even in his book, he stated that he is from Benin. He was more of a pan-Africanist and was never for once in stood solely for the interest of the Igbos... Igbos do not even respect him as of today...

Secondly, Zik was not representing the Eastern region. Ojukwu led the Biafran government and not the Igbos.. Pre-independence, Zik was not representing the interest or opinion of the Igbos nor Igbo people.. Whatever he did before independence (where he had no power) was solely for himself and not for the people of the East... He was more of a Nortzerner than an Igbo man. Have you ever seen Zik in Igbo attire?

Deadlytruth:
Democracy is a representative venture and Zik didn't elect himself to that parliament in which he espoused Anti-secession philosophy. He was elected there not by Hausafulanis, not by Binis, not by Yorubas but by his very own Igbo people to represent them and speak for them there. So all he did and fought for were on behalf of the Igbo ethnic group. Had his position on secession and one-Nigeria run contrary to that of the generality of the Igbo nation then they would have set in motion a process to recall him. But as long as records of history is devoid of any attempt to recall him by the Igbos, then you can't ever wash Igbos' hands off his sabotage of secession attempts by the North and all other tribes.

Deadlytruth:

Why are you being economical with the truth? Didn't Zik himself confess in a 1975 interview that he enjoyed the support of the British in all debates that had to do with secession?

Wasn't Zik the Biafran Foreign Affairs Minister at the beginning of the war? And you are here arguing that Zik never supported Biafra.