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Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by AdakaBoro8(m): 5:35pm On Apr 28
Ekealterego:

Guy go back to school... @Afonjaheadhunts, how do you read this guy's posts?
what we know is that zik threaten northerns from departing... ibous past sins are now hunting them as repercursion... i pity the ibous for this punishment facing them.. God pls forgive them

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Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by afonjaheadhunts: 5:47pm On Apr 28
Ekealterego:

Guy go back to school... @Afonjaheadhunts, how do you read this guy's posts?

My brother I have been asking myself thesame questions after going through this thread. It is a miracle grin
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by theTranslator: 6:20pm On Apr 28
Ekealterego:

The website is an African American website that archives speeches.

You are trying to be clever by half... Whoever posted it inserted a comment at the top of the quote, stating something that has nothing to do with the quote.

You claimed that Nnamdi Azikiwe led a breakaway country and stopped the North from taking session.

Why are you people deceitful and chronic liars?

Ojukwu led Biafra and Zik had nothing to do with it neither did he fight on the side of Biafra.

Zik didn't have any powers do decide who should or should not secede. He had no political post. The power was with the British administrators, so how did Zik put that into law.... The speech you posted was more of an opinion and analysis.

You people are obviously not very bright.
it doesn't only do speeches it does anything about Negros
you just showed your naivety
I didn't claim anything
blackpast did that
they have competent historians and writers

go fight with them nau
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by MrMaestro: 6:30pm On Apr 28
orisa37:
THE IGBOS ARE NOT CONSISTENT.
NOT AT ALL

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Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by pricklewane: 6:32pm On Apr 28
Was that what was contained in the Aburi accord that does not exist in regional government ?

ezenwajosh:
was regional government the reason for the coup? You mean igbos planned a coup against regional government when the amalgamation was forcefully done to use the resources in the south to help the economy of the north?
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by MrMaestro: 6:40pm On Apr 28
So let me get this straight. Igbos started this thread agreeing with Zik, saying a united nigeria was fine as long as it was run properly and each had regional control/autonomy. Yet when asked why they disagree with Awolowo when he said the same thing, they then shift to say Igbos hate Awolowo because he orchestrated the food blockade. But when it was stated that Ojukwus forces were stealing the food, they then shift to say they would never steal the food, they merely rejected the food for "fear of their people being poisoned". So then in that case, why again is Awolowo hated then?!?

And if you all really agree with Zik on this premise, why exactly are people clamoring for Biafra? If you mention the lack of regional autonomy and oil, then why exactly did you all support Ojukwus war ambitions when regionalism had already existed back then before the war?

THIS IS IDIOCY.

It reminds of how they argue about building lagos, then when you ask them why they went there in the first place instead of building igboland if Lagos was a dustbin they say it's because it was the FCT, and that all other SW areas are garbage. But when you mention that major Lagos developments happened after the FCT moved to abuja and then ask why they're begining to move to Ogun and Oyo communities in droves as well, they then say proximity to lagos. They can just lie.and lie without making any sense as long as it fulfills a narrative and story they want to portray. They refuse to give credit to Yoruba leadership and economic opportunity they create in their region.

I actually love this thread because it proves the underlying nature of the Igbos. They can never stand in truth and honesty, they will perpetrate deception to fulfill their narrative and ambitions even if it goes against logic and truth. And they will lie, cover up, lie and lie and lie and lie over and over and over again. With a dash of "victimization".

Many people think the Igbos and Yorubas have more in common than the Fulanis. Don't let religion fool you. There's NOTHING similar btw Yorubas and Igbos. Which is why I wholeheartedly support Oduduwa Nation. Sometimes arguing with both Igbos and Fulanis is an exercise in masochism.

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Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Ekealterego: 6:46pm On Apr 28
MrMaestro:
So let me get this straight. Igbos started this thread agreeing with Zik, saying a united nigeria was fine as long as it was run properly and each had regional control/autonomy. Yet when asked why they disagree with Awolowo when he said the same thing, they then shift to say Igbos hate Awolowo because he orchestrated the food blockade. But when it was stated that Ojukwus forces were stealing the food, they then shift to say they would never steal the food, they merely rejected the food for "fear of their people being poisoned". So then in that case, why again is Awolowo hated then?!?

And if you all really agree with Zik on this premise, why exactly are people clamoring for Biafra? If you mention the lack of regional autonomy and oil, then why exactly did you all support Ojukwu when regionalism had already existed back then before the war?

THIS IS IDIOCY.

I actually love this thread because it proves the underlying nature of the Igbos. They can never stand in truth and honesty, they will perpetrate deception to fulfill their narrative and ambitions even if it goes against logic and truth. And they will lie, cover up, lie and lie and lie again.

Many people think the Igbos and Yorubas have more in common than the Fulanis. Don't let religion fool you. There's NOTHING similar btw Yorubas and Igbos. Which is why I wholeheartedly support Oduduwa Nation. Sometimes arguing with both Igbos and Fulanis is an exercise in masochism.
You are definitely not very bright... This is a propaganda devised by a paid BMC sponsored Igbo hater... First, Zik was making an analysis in the speech that was highlighted and Zik did not represent anything Igbo... This was the colonial period, and warrant chiefs were still in charge under the British administrators..

What right does Zik, who was born and raised in the North and a Pan-African to decide for the Igbo nation? He doesn't even have any political post, not even in the Igbo region.

The idiot of low intellect now injected his own opinion stating that Zik wanted to breakaway when it was Ojukwu that broke away.

Mind you, these negroes of low intellect, Nigeria was formed by the British people and Nigeria was still using their laws even at independence and there was nothing or room to discuss secession. Only the British had that power to decide.
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by MrMaestro: 6:48pm On Apr 28
Ekealterego:

You are definitely not very bright... This is a propaganda devised by a paid BMC sponsored Igbo hater... First, Zik was making an analysis in the speech that was highlighted and Zik did not represent anything Igbo... This was the colonial period, and warrant chiefs were still in charge under the British administrators..

What right does Zik, who was born and raised in the North and a Pan-African to decide for the Igbo nation? He doesn't even have any political post, not even in the Igbo region.

The idiot of low intellect now injected his own opinion stating that Zik wanted to breakaway when it was Ojukwu that broke away.

Mind you, these negroes of low intellect, Nigeria was formed by the British people and Nigeria was still using their laws even at independence and there was nothing or room to discuss secession. Only the British had that power to decide.
I'm focused on the bolded. The rest is besides the point.

Why is Zik championed by Igbos then? And why is Awolowo despised? If they both had very similar sentiments?
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Ekealterego: 6:55pm On Apr 28
MrMaestro:

I'm focused on the bolded. The rest is besides the point.

Why is Zik championed by Igbos then? And why is Awolowo despised? If they both had very similar sentiments?
Despise how? The Igbos might despise Awolowo for his role in the war and his cowardice but of course most admire him for putting the interest of Yorubas first. For his policy of education for the Yoruba nation. Igbos did not have that relationship with Zik... He was more like a Pan-Africanist... Have you ever seen Zik in an Igbo attire?... He will die first than find him in an Igbo attire. He spoke Hausa better than he spoke Igbo. He did not represent Igbo interest and that is why people in the East hate him beyond anything.. they respect Ojukwu way more.

The Nigerian state magnified and glorified Zik and named monuments after him and praised him because he was a traitor. The guy fought against the Igbos during the war. . he singlehandedly went to the British government campaigning against Biafran interest during the war. He doesn't represent Igbo interest, not in any way.
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by MrMaestro: 7:00pm On Apr 28
Ekealterego:

Despise how? The Igbos might despise Awolowo for his role in the war and his cowardice but of course most admire him for putting the interest of Yorubas first. For his policy of education for the Yoruba nation. Igbos did not have that relationship with Zik... He was more like a Pan-Africanist... Have you ever seen Zik in an Igbo attire?... He will die first than find him in an Igbo attire. He spoke Hausa better than he spoke Igbo. He did not represent Igbo interest and that is why people in the East hate him beyond anything.. they respect Ojukwu way more.

The Nigerian state magnified and glorified Zik and named monuments after him and praised him because he was a traitor. The guy fought against the Igbos during the war. . he singlehandedly went to the British government campaigning against Biafran interest during the war. He doesn't represent Igbo interest, not in any way.
This is a consistent and logical line of thinking that I can applaud. However I can tell you the overwhelming majority of Igbos opinions on Zik that I've seen definitely does not match your own. But regardless, thank you for your opinion.
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by orisa37: 7:30pm On Apr 28
MrMaestro:
NOT AT ALL


They're majorly Political Prostitutes.
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by T9ksy(m): 7:31pm On Apr 28
Ekealterego:

You are definitely not very bright... This is a propaganda devised by a paid BMC sponsored Igbo hater... First, Zik was making an analysis in the speech that was highlighted and Zik did not represent anything Igbo... This was the colonial period, and warrant chiefs were still in charge under the British administrators..

What right does Zik, who was born and raised in the North and a Pan-African to decide for the Igbo nation? He doesn't even have any political post, not even in the Igbo region.





So zik had no political clout in aligbo land? Same way another one of your duplicitous ilk claimed here that Zik was a nonentity by 1953. I wonder if you guys are talking about a different zik who was the president of the Ibo state union in 1948, the first ethnic grouping in the country.

This same zik was the regional premier of eastern region after his mischievous attempt to preside over the affairs of the yorubas who duly rejected him, 1951.

This was the zik who helped formed the most broad-based political party (NCNC) in Nigeria, in 1944 yet we are meant to believe that he was a nonentity in 1953.
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by Ekealterego: 8:00pm On Apr 28
T9ksy:




So zik had no political clout in aligbo land? Same way another one of your duplicitous ilk claimed here that Zik was a nonentity by 1953. I wonder if you guys are talking about a different zik who was the president of the Ibo state union in 1948, the first ethnic grouping in the country.

This same zik was the regional premier of eastern region after his mischievous attempt to preside over the affairs of the yorubas who duly rejected him, 1951.

This was the zik who helped formed the most broad-based political party (NCNC) in Nigeria, in 1944 yet we are meant to believe that he was a nonentity in 1953.
Of course, he was not respected.. Read well, to see how he caused problems in the eastern region. The British government dissolved the current leadership structure in the Eastern region in order to install him after he had problems in the Western region.

Azikiwe's problem is that he was neither here nor there when it comes to ethnicity. Read the problems he had in the NYm where he broke away with the Ijebus (Then Ijebus strong sense of independence from the larger Yoruba nation was very strong) from the Yoruba dominated NYM and they went to join the NCNC...
See his history, when he was young, he could not speak Igbo, he only spoke Hausa, his parents had to take him to Onitsha to learn some Igbo but he ended up going back to join his father in Lagos after some years.. Zik could probably speak Hausa and Yoruba more than he did Igbo... He was a confused pan-Africanist and never really had my deep Igbo consciousness except when it benefits him or his pan-Africanist movements...
Nnamdi Azikiwe caused problems in 1953 in the Eastern region, when he could not win the premier, he went crying to the British Governor and the structure and leadership was dissolved in order to make him premier in the Eastern region when his quest in the western region (where he grew up partly).
So, how can someone who spoke more Hausa and possibly Yoruba more than Igbo represent Igbo interest? That is the difference between a Zik and an Awolowo. While Awolowo stood firmly for his people alone and had a deep Yoruba consciousness, Zik did not have any of such sentiments, instead, while his people were in a war, he was busy dining with Gowon. He was a Biafran traitor. In his biography, he claimed he was Bini and his ancestors came from Bini.
Re: Azikwe Against Northern Secession 1953 by gidgiddy: 9:03pm On Apr 28
MrMaestro:
So let me get this straight. Igbos started this thread agreeing with Zik, saying a united nigeria was fine as long as it was run properly and each had regional control/autonomy. Yet when asked why they disagree with Awolowo when he said the same thing, they then shift to say Igbos hate Awolowo because he orchestrated the food blockade. But when it was stated that Ojukwus forces were stealing the food, they then shift to say they would never steal the food, they merely rejected the food for "fear of their people being poisoned". So then in that case, why again is Awolowo hated then?!?

And if you all really agree with Zik on this premise, why exactly are people clamoring for Biafra? If you mention the lack of regional autonomy and oil, then why exactly did you all support Ojukwus war ambitions when regionalism had already existed back then before the war?

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You should do more to learn about Nigerian history. Zik did not hold any serious political position in 1953. If Zik's opinion in 1953 was that Nigeria Nigeria should stay one then that is his opinion. If the North wanted secession, then why didnt they? Is it one man called Zik that stopped the entire North from seceding? So what is the point of this thread?

Any sentiments about Awolowo in the East is based on the civil war. This story that Biafran Soldiers were stealing food is rubbish, starvation is not to be used as a policy of war. It is now a war crime to prevent people from having access to food, medicine and other essential things needed to sustain life.

Ojukwu declared Biafra because Gowon went against what was agreed at Aburi by abolishing the 4 Region's that existed, and creating 12 states that replaced them.

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