How is muhamed connected to Abraham.
Please lets settle one of the world issues here with reasonable points no insult ooooo. religious people... holy holy...be warn.

This is an open challenge.

I dare any historian, anthropologist or chronologist to come out with research proof of how the Saudis are connected to Abraham.

Every epistle of ancient middle east history makes it obvious that the Arabs are from the lineage of a man Called JOKTAN. There will be no research work that will ever link Abraham who migrated from the land of UR (in the present day Iran, formerly Elam).

This open history is one of the reasons the Iranians and Saudis hardly see face to face. It is funny that the
Iranians never see themselves as Arabians because their culture, settlement, history, religion and empire is older and richer than the the Arabians. The Saudis only gained prominence during the Mohammed invasion of the Middle East while lunching his belicose jihad.

ComrdDRS1:
How is muhamed connected to Abraham

It's by divine arrangement. The Almighty God doesn't make mistake.

ComrdDRS1:
How is muhamed connected to Abraham

Mohammed is the seed of Ishmael the son of the bondswoman of Abraham according to Muslims..

Mecca is the holy place for Muslims but they also wants to claim isreal as their own..

Isreal is a holy place for the Jews and christians from the beginning...

If isreal is not careful the Muslims will claim there land and remix Elohim to Allah...

I don't like cow meat. In all delicacies, I prefer goat meat

That scent and flavour turns me on.

mu2sa2:
It's by divine arrangement. The Almighty God doesn't make mistake.

How divine and why so determine to eliminate the original and undiluted Israeli connection to Abraham and the holy sites in Israel

Praxis758:

Iranians never see themselves as Arabians because their culture, settlement, history and empire is older and richer than the the Arabians. The Saudis only gained prominence during the Mohammed invasion of the Middle East while lunching his jmbelicose jihad.

Iranians are actually Persians.
It's mostly Middle Easterners and people born before the 20th century that knows this.
Before Islam, Iranians practice Zoroastrianism. Hence why Saddam Hussein once called them "Majoo"; English people call it "Magi" and the wise men that visited Jesus to present him gifts are known to be Magi because Zoroastrianism revolves around astrology.

The Arabs & Persians have never been friends as far back in history that I can think of.

And like you right said, Islam was what brought Arabians to prominence, because they are mostly nomadic herders who live in tents...

Sarah was the one who asked Abraham to go into Hagar her "maid", this wasn't God's decision

Genesis 16:2

And Sarai said into Abram, Behold now,the LORD hath restrained me from bearing, I pray thee go unto my maid, that i may obtain children by her, And Abram listened to Sarai

God had no business with Ishmael, the covenant was with Isaac,

Genesis 17: 19-21

And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear there a son indeed and thou shalt call his name isaac, and I will establish my covenant for an everlasting covenant, and his with his seed after him

And for Ishmael, i have heard thee, behold I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly.

But my covenant will i establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time next year

There is a different between blessing and covenant, blessing is to be fruitful, covenant is to be God representative on earth including his blessings

This was why Esau was angry when Jacob eventually took his covenant blessing as against the mere blessings he also received

Genesis 21: 9-10-21

And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian she said into Abraham

Cast this bondwoman and her son, shall not be the heir of my son Isaac

And he (Ishmael) dwelt in the wilderness of Paran and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt

So the same Sarah that approved Haggar sacked her, there was no competition, Haggar knew her place as a maid, Ishmael knew his place

Genesis 25: 17-18

And these are the years of Ishmael an hundred and thirty and seven years and he gave up the ghost and died and was gathered to his people

And they (his people) dwelt from Havilah into shur, that is before Egypt, as thou first towards Assyria

Summary

They all knew Isaac was the promised child, there was no fracas by Ishmael who was sent away by his father to go live in Egypt

Chapter 1

We know that Isaac was the covenant child and an everlasting covenant for that matter, not because Isaac or his offspring merits it, but because the original man Abraham has been promised it

Isaac dies, Jacob inherited the covenant, Esau is still blessed like Ishmael but the covenant is with Jacob who later changes name to Israel

Chapter 2

Israel now has twelve sons that makes the twelve tribes of Israel who we call Jews

They still bear the everlasting covenant and then God starts unfolding what this covenant truly means

The covenant is to worship God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Ishmael wasn't involved)

God gives Moses his Jewish prophet commandments, signs, ordinance For only Jewish people to keep and practice, it wasn't given to arabs, it wasn't given to Africans because God limited the covenant to Jews

Chapter 3

Can we stop here to ask the Muslims how they come in?

Clearly even if they claim to be Arabs and hold onto Ishmael as Justification to Abraham covenant, it is obvious that Ishmael was an accidental child that Abraham didn't give heir to

It is clear that the Religion you are forcing on yourself, the God of Abraham said he only choosed Isaac to establish a religious connection to.

Ishmael never forced himself on Abraham and his God, Ishmael never grew up with Abraham he was sent packing as a child.

If Arab don't have a covenant tie to Abraham's God, who then gave non Arab Muslims the key to Abraham's God

Abraham's God's never called you people, Jews have licence to Abraham's God, Arabs don't, Ishmalites, Africans, Asians didn't

That provision would come for all through Jesus Christ, Muslims are wasting their lives been slaves to a god that they don't know, a god that didn't send them message

Chapter 4

It's not about slaving for a god, does he know you, did he send you, are you following the path way he recognizes?

You can be zealous and throwing stones inside the bush, you are just wasting your efforts.

Chapter 5

After God has given Jews enough time to keep his ordinances and command, they all come to the end of themselves, no one can keep it like they boasted to

These are the same people that are suppose to be God's representative on earth to the rest of the nation's, yet failed

God then sends Jesus Christ, even in the Torah old testament he had already been prophesied in Isaiah 53.

The lame argument of ignorant Muslims that aren't serving God is defeated

Chapter 6

Jesus a Jew of the ordained tribe that was promised the covenant came in, without sin, God in flesh opened the way not only for Jews to access God without blemish but for all non Jews who cared to.

This is the key, when Christians say they have a covenant with the Jewish God it is because of Jesus.

If not, non Jews have no connection to Yaweh

Jesus finishes the entire work of redemption and goes back to heaven with the promise of the holy spirit

Chapter 7


Mohamed shows up in Far away Saudi Arabia, he isn't Jewish but claims the standing order of all prophet been Jewish is abolished

His own parents are worshipping idols, he is from a tribe that God didn't give the covenant to

He has no history of Jewish practices, laws

He gets tomented by a demon in the cave and he runs out trying to commit sucide

He doesn't know who he has encountered, no name was given, he can't decipher that the trade mark of demons is to terrify as the fruit they bear.

His wife who is older than him takes him to a man involved in occult (this man was chased by the early church in the area)

The man tells muhammad he is a prophet, angels don't assign prophethood let alone man

But muhammad doesn't care

Chapter 8

Muhammad goes on stealing spree, killing, taking people's wife.

Every moral code of the law of Moses he breaks it yet the same God who gave Moses the law is the one who called him

About the mosque in Al alsa, muhammad knew he couldn't go to Jerusalem less he be stoned for false doctrine

He was so obsessed with Jews that he forged a lie, he claimed he had a dream while in Mecca and that he ascended to heaven in Jerusalem to go get instructions from his god

This was enough for his gullible followers to claim Jerusalem as a holy site where the prophet travelled to in his "sleep"

Quran 17:1

Againstlies:


Mohammed is the seed of Ishmael the son of the bondswoman of Abraham according to Muslims..

Mecca is the holy place for Muslims but they also wants to claim isreal as their own..

Isreal is a holy place for the Jews and christians from the beginning...

If isreal is not careful the Muslims will claim there land and remix Elohim to Allah...

Muhammad saw nothing, only fantasying

The crock could only deceive his gullible with signs they couldn't see in his dream

When they asked him for physical signs the peadophile kept giving excuses


Quran 20:133

Pickthall: And they say: If only he would bring us a miracle from his Lord! Hath there not come unto them the proof of what is in the former scriptures?

The people are disturbed, Mohamed has no sign to show despite boasting to be the greatest prophet.

Quran 17.59

Yusuf Ali: And We refrain from sending the signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).

Mohammed goes to meet allah to complain how much he is been embarrassed for having no signs, then Allah gives him another excuse for not giving him signs to show his mockers


Quran 29:50

Sahih International: But they say, "Why are not signs sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The signs are only with Allah , and I am only a clear warner."

He relays to his people that signs are with allah, he is just a messenger

The same way they took Turkey that was christian country before.

Thank God for Catholic Knights that defended some christian heritage, these savages would have turned the whole world to head slamming globe with their Jihad

Jews will not tolerate their invasion not in Israel.

Same formula they are using in Nigeria presently with the Fulani herders madness in disguise.

Blessed are you for this rich write-up.

Yes, the Iranians are both Persians and Elamites.

I do pity then for how modern civilisation and history has relegated them to the back side while give much credence to the infant Arabians.

Most Islamic fanatics are not aware of this rich history, hence, the reason why their deceivers won't want then to know the past.

Thanks so much.

IjapaTiroko:

Iranians are actually Persians.
It's mostly Middle Easterners and people born before the 20th century that knows this.
Before Islam, Iranians practice Zoroastrianism. Hence why Saddam Hussein once called them "Majoo"; English people call it "Magi" and the wise men that visited Jesus to present him gifts are known to be Magi because Zoroastrianism revolves around astrology.

The Arabs & Persians have never been friends as far back in history that I can think of.

And like you right said, Islam was what brought Arabians to prominence, because they are mostly nomadic herders who live in tents...

Saudi connected to Abraham?
Lol what I'm I missing?
There is a reason the Iranians don't practise the same sunni Islam as Arabians. The Iranians/Persians never see themselves at the same level as Arabians. They were once a significant power in the world, something the Arabians only came close to.
As for the Abraham story, its just made up just like their Ishmael story. The same with the Palestinians claiming relationships with the jebusites

Staphylococcus:
I don't like cow meat. In all delicacies, I prefer goat meat

That scent and flavour turns me on.

how about Ogun legbegbe

I'm still alive ooo
shows my Jesus power pass power

Praxis758:
Blessed are you for this rich write-up.

Yes, the Iranians are both Persians and Elamites.

I do pity then for how modern civilisation and history has relegated them to the back side while give much credence to the infant Arabians.

Most Islamic fanatics are not aware of this rich history, hence, the reason why their deceivers won't want then to know the past.

Thanks so much.

they were conquered by the Arabs, shortly after a very long war against the Romans. If you know about Kosro and Justinian 1 you will understand. I think the war continued long after these two were dead, so the Arabs knowing that the Parthians aka Persians were weak and weary of war, descended on them and defeated them. They also tried to fight the Romans but were beaten back,the Romans used a secret weapon on them, the Greek fire. A highly indlammabe liquid. It sticks to the skin, even burning under water.

I believe it has to do with the Ottoman empire. Saladin. He conquered Jerusalem for the Ottomans.

IjapaTiroko:

Iranians are actually Persians.
It's mostly Middle Easterners and people born before the 20th century that knows this.
Before Islam, Iranians practice Zoroastrianism. Hence why Saddam Hussein once called them "Majoo"; English people call it "Magi" and the wise men that visited Jesus to present him gifts are known to be Magi because Zoroastrianism revolves around astrology.

The Arabs & Persians have never been friends as far back in history that I can think of.

And like you right said, Islam was what brought Arabians to prominence, because they are mostly nomadic herders who live in tents...

You know your history. Bravo.

That is why I always respect one set of people or tribe on this forum. Why? Because the know history very well despite Federal Government ban on the subject and they always refute the express media(Ibadan or whatever) with facts.

dometome:
they were conquered by the Arabs, shortly after a very long war against the Romans. If you know about Kosro and Justinian 1 you will understand. I think the war continued long after these two were dead, so the Arabs knowing that the Parthians aka Persians were weak and weary of war, descended on them and defeated them. They also tried to fight the Romans but were beaten back,the Romans used a secret weapon on them, the Greek fire. A highly indlammabe liquid. It sticks to the skin, even burning under water.

The long siege that Mohammed and his jihadists laid on them greatly decimated their military capacity, hence the genesis of their gradual decline.

You just taught me something valuable and rich today.

Are you an historian?

Momo is not connected to Abraham. He was from a pagan tribe called Quraish. He was an idol worshipper like the rest of his tribesmen. Their tribe was responsible for managing the idols in the Kaaba.

Mohammed had an experience in the cave Hira that later turned out to be the greatest threat to the human race. On one of his usual visits to the cave for meditation, a Spirit entity held him by the throat and forcefully asked him to recite. He said he could not read. This was done three times before he was let off.

Mohammed was terrified by that experience that he became suicidal (may be the spirit that pushes Muslim to suicide bombers). When he got home, he told his wife Khadijat what happened to him in the cave. To help him recover from the damage to his personality from that experience, khadijat decided to confirm if Mohammed had indeed seen an Angel and not a Demon. So, Khadijat stripped completely naked and made Mohammed to sit on her laps. She claimed that angels do not enter into the house where a man and his wife is making out. Khadijat then asked if Mohammed had seen Jubril, he replied yes but that Jubril dis not want to enter into the room. So, Khadijat told the prophet not be sad, that the entity that he encoutered who after that had started following him around was indeed an Angel and not a Demon.

Khadijat too Mohammed to his uncle, Waraka. Waraka was a Nestorian Christian (Gnostics). So Mohammed and Khadijat told him the story again and what khadijat did. After listening patiently, Waraka said to them that Mohammed has been selected by God to be a prophet. That was how the trouble of humanity started. Soon, Mohammed started have more encounter with this spirit being. Any time the revelation comes, people around him will start writing what he recites in form of a poem on any stuff available.These revelation come in the form of an epileptic episode with ringing of bell in his head. Although, Mohammed said bells are from the devils.

Let me stop here.


#Fact

1. Mohammed did not give his new religion any name- he simply calls himself a Haniffiyya (those who follow the religion of Abraham)
2. Mohammeds god did not have a name- he is simple identified as "al-allah" i.e "the god".

immortal2:
Momo is not connected to Abraham. He was from a pagan tribe called Quraish. He was an idol worshipper like the rest of his tribesmen. Their tribe was responsible for managing the idols in the Kaaba.

Mohammed had an experience in the cave Hira that later turned out to be the greatest threat to the human race. On one of his usual visits to the cave for meditation, a Spirit entity held him by the throat and forcefully asked him to recite. He said he could not read. This was done three times before he was let off.

Mohammed was terrified by that experience that he became suicidal (may be the spirit that pushes Muslim to suicide bombers). When he got home, he told his wife Khadijat what happened to him in the cave. To help him recover from the damage to his personality from that experience, khadijat decided to confirm if Mohammed had indeed seen an Angel and not a Demon. So, Khadijat stripped completely naked and made Mohammed to sit on her laps. She claimed that angels do not enter into the house where a man and his wife is making out. Khadijat then asked if Mohammed had seen Jubril, he replied yes but that Jubril dis not want to enter into the room. So, Khadijat told the prophet not be sad, that the entity that he encoutered who after that had started following him around was indeed an Angel and not a Demon.

Khadijat too Mohammed to his uncle, Waraka. Waraka was a Nestorian Christian (Gnostics). So Mohammed and Khadijat told him the story again and what khadijat did. After listening patiently, Waraka said to them that Mohammed has been selected by God to be a prophet. That was how the trouble of humanity started. Soon, Mohammed started have more encounter with this spirit being. Any time the revelation comes, people around him will start writing what he recites in form of a poem on any stuff available.These revelation come in the form of an epileptic episode with ringing of bell in his head. Although, Mohammed said bells are from the devils.

Let me stop here.


#Fact

1. Mohammed did not give his new religion any name- he simply calls himself a Haniffiyya (those who follow the religion of Abraham)
2. Mohammeds god did not have a name- he is simple identified as "al-allah" i.e "the god".

can you imagine the peadophile

Look how they are doing try and error guessing on a spirit being

A being that held him by the throat is from God i guess. lol

By their fruits we shall know them

Mary, Elizabeth that were in their pregnant weak state meant angels and were comforted

Mohammed was possessed Sha

Againstlies:


Mohammed is the seed of Ishmael the son of the bondswoman of Abraham according to Muslims..

Mecca is the holy place for Muslims but they also wants to claim isreal as their own..

Isreal is a holy place for the Jews and christians from the beginning...

If isreal is not careful the Muslims will claim there land and remix Elohim to Allah...

What proof but in history or anthropology even archeology that points that Mohammed is from the lineage of Ishmael

Akwamkpuruamu:


What proof but in history or anthropology even archeology that points that Mohammed is from the lineage of Ishmael

Let's even assume he is from Ishmael

Ishmael is a child of Sarah impatience, God didn't have him in the picture

God never gave Ishmael covenant

The covenant of the God of Abraham is for his ordained people of Israel to serve him

And it's an everlasting one unlike the lies Muslims tell themselves

God isn't interested in the service of Ishmalites if they don't follow the only way of Jesus Christ

Muslims are wasting their lives killing people for the devil's Baal thirst

Mikecold:
Let's even assume he is from Ishmael

Ishmael is a child of Sarah impatience, God didn't have him in the picture

God never gave Ishmael covenant

The covenant of the God of Abraham is for his ordained people to serve him

God isn't interested in the service of Ishmalites if they don't follow the only way of Jesus Christ

Muslims are wasting their lives killing people for the devil's Baal thirst

Islam is the worst invention of humanity

Akwamkpuruamu:


Islam is the worst invention of humanity

Sometime i wonder why Muslims don't think

This is why they give them distraction to be learning Arabic

Quran is one of the most disjointed books ever, no co-ordination, just to delibrately throw Muslims into confusion

Borrow Jews story, patch it with qurash idol story, wash it with Mohamed fantasy

They would kill ram today for sallah, ask them the significance, they would say Ibrahim was told by Allah.

Lol, Abraham had already chased ishamael out of his house before he embarked on the test journey with Isaac.

They don't even know the significance of that test, they just say it was a test

Lol, test for what?

Abraham was already told by God Isaac was his promised child so he knew Isaac wasn't going to die in the journey

So how do you call that a test when you know the result (except for slow Muslims)

They don't know what that mystery was really about (they won't ask the people of the book)

Akwamkpuruamu:


What proof but in history or anthropology even archeology that points that Mohammed is from the lineage of Ishmael

I don't have proof bro that's what the muslims said.... The muslims that said Jesus who have existed 600 years before Mohammed is a Muslim and Mohammed is the founder of Islam.. that's should let you know how confused Islam can be...

Againstlies:


I don't have proof bro that's what the muslims said.... The muslims that said Jesus who have existed 600 years before Mohammed is a Muslim and Mohammed is the founder of Islam.. that's should let you know how confused Islam can be...

That Jesus was a Muslim

BKayy:
Saudi connected to Abraham?
Lol what I'm I missing?
There is a reason the Iranians don't practise the same sunni Islam as Arabians. The Iranians/Persians never see themselves at the same level as Arabians. They were once a significant power in the world, something the Arabians only came close to.
As for the Abraham story, its just made up just like their Ishmael story. The same with the Palestinians claiming relationships with the jebusites

Great comment.

I've been throwing the challenge that any scholar, historian, islamic theologian or chronological should open come out with thesis/proof of how the Arabians were connected to the Abrahamic lineage by blood.

Moreso, the Arabians claim they were of the ishamaelite lineage, this is a lie from the pit of hell. The 12 sons ishamael all settled in the northern Egypt..

It still amazes me how not a single Arabian historian, theologian or scholar can link the blood line of Mohammed to Ishmael they claimed was their progenitor.

The Arabian lineage was from a man called JOKTAN who himself was from the Shemite bloodline.

The Arabians had long be in existence before the birth of Ishamael. Muslims should get that fact right

Akwamkpuruamu:


That Jesus was a Muslim

Yeah, the head slammers say it alot

They use

Matthew 26:39

Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, 'My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will. '”

Their argument is that Jesus "bowed" and every thing that bows is a Muslim

They would ignore the fact that bowing is a form of worship but who did Jesus now to if not his father in the same verse

They would not remember that people have been "bowing" to Baall aka Allah and kissing his black stone even in the old testament since all who bow are muslims

If only Hitler has succeded with his plans u won't be asking this question. Learn to know who u will accommodate when they are in need.

Mikecold:
Muhammad saw nothing, only fantasying

The crock could only deceive his gullible with signs they couldn't see in his dream

When they asked him for physical signs the peadophile kept giving excuses


Quran 20:133

Pickthall: And they say: If only he would bring us a miracle from his Lord! Hath there not come unto them the proof of what is in the former scriptures?

The people are disturbed, Mohamed has no sign to show despite boasting to be the greatest prophet.

Quran 17.59

Yusuf Ali: And We refrain from sending the signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).

Mohammed goes to meet allah to complain how much he is been embarrassed for having no signs, then Allah gives him another excuse for not giving him signs to show his mockers


Quran 29:50

Sahih International: But they say, "Why are not signs sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The signs are only with Allah , and I am only a clear warner."

He relays to his people that signs are with allah, he is just a messenger

The muslims also claimed that Jesus was not crusified, and they later said Jesus will come back on the last day and tell the world Islam is the true religion, if you want to be confused study Islam...

Againstlies:


The muslims also claimed that Jesus was not crusified, and they later said Jesus will come back on the last day and tell the world Islam is the true religion, if you want to be confused study Islam...

The same Jesus that didn't tell the world Islam is the true religion when he was on earth abi

Just ask them why allah took Jesus to heaven not to experience death but left his greatest prophet to die of rat poison

Jesus is supposedly in heaven but Mohamed is decaying in the grave

Confused people