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helinues:
Is God an estate real agent?

the earth is of the Lord's and fullness thereof.... And he gives anything or anywhere to whomever he chooses..

Even by conquest, Israel defeated the Arabs so what are we saying? The Palestinians had the best deal during the Clinton administration but refused to take it cos they wanted all or nothing. Now they get nothing. Arafat bunked it.

omonnakoda:
I have heard similar arguments from the Boers during the Apartheid government

The problem Black people have is they are unable to THINK

If they think they will understand that The Quran and Bible are just stories of the respective peoples

There is no objective reason why a Yoruba or Ogoni person should accept those stories as anything more than that

stories.

Once by indoctrination without any sense of objectivity you accept the story of Jacob as fact it becomes impossible to reason.

Here is the thing

Even if we accept that the Descendants of Jacob occupied the land at some point there is no evidence that they were the first occupants. Secondly what evidence is there that those who were brought back from Europe in 1948 are descendants of Jacob?
What evidence is there that there are no descendants of Jacob among the Palestinians

The simple truth is according to the Bible When Joshua arrived at the so called Promised land he met people there.

Thousands of years later The Romans occupied the place and othere have done so for thousand of years

So why is the claim of one people superior to that of those who are occuptying it .? Because THEIR HOLY BOOK
says so.

On that basis People from Europe were brought in in 1948 and those who had been there for 100s of years became refugees in that land

As a human being , a black African I do not accept that any Holy Book is anything more than a creation of man and so I must analyse the issues WITHOUT reference to a Holy Book

My concern is What stops White folk doing the same thing in South Africa, Zimbabwe or Nigeria

Let us not forget that Liberia was created by a similar process.

If it is OKAY for one people to evacuate another and take their lands because THEIR OWN gods say so

Why is it not okay for Fulani to do the same in Nigeria

You think UN created Israel by following biblical history? I expected better from you

omonnakoda:
Who wrote this Genesis .

This same fanaticism that we see in Islam is what we are seeing here

The objective truth to me as a black African

Is that Genesis is The HISTORY of the Hebrews ACCORDING TO THEM.

There is no proof that there is a God or that if there is a God that God shares land or that God Chose any one people above another.

That is What they say and believe.
Also by the way according to the Bible Abraham had 8 sons . Which of those 8 did he say would inherit the land.


My take is that to analyse this issue we have to leave God completely out of it because those claims cannot be verified

helinues:
So where is the certificate of ownership he presented to the Israelites for conquering the land?

Guy, u too daft. Why re people even replying this boy?

DMerciful:
You think UN created Israel by following biblical history? I expected better from you

You are now my priest to tell me what I think?
Guy if you have nothing to do or say must you quote me?

The Bible was modified to stop terrorism, why has the Koran not been modified instead they fight people who call for the modification of the Koran. The reason is because it's easier to modify the Bible because Christ modified it when he said people should not follow the law of Moses which preaches an eye for an eye but turn the other cheek. But alas same cannot be said of Mohd who used jihad

helinues:
Christians started terrorism all in the name of crusade... That was one of the reason why Bible was modified.. Quran is yet to be modified hence the terrorist still referring to some verse to carry out their evil mission

I don't need to be in your mind to know...read your comments and see your position about people believing the Bible to claim the land was given to them by God. That's for religious people but United Nations will work with historical facts to draw borders. You're being defensive to say I shouldn't quote you, shows you met a superior argument.

omonnakoda:
You are now my priest to tell me what I think?
Guy if you have nothing to do or say must you quote me?

DMerciful:
I don't need to be in your mind to know...read your comments and see your position about people believing the Bible to claim the land was given to them by God. That's for religious people but United Nations will work with historical facts to draw borders. You're being defensive to say I shouldn't quote you, shows you met a superior argument.

First you said I think the UN blah blah blah
Now you say my "position about people"
Already you are contradicting yourself is it people or the UN?
Next you talk about superior argument to one that I have never made . Is it by force?

Honestly you are just being an irritant

At no time did I express any position on the UN

So you are either being mischievous or deliberately dissembling either way all I ask is that you just go away and leave me in peace and do not put words in my mouth

Idiko1:
Palestine was the invention of Lord Belfour in 1922. Palestine never existed anywhere before 1922.

Nigeria was an Invention of Lord Lugard in 1914 Nigeria never existed anywhere before 1914
Think

Think Deeply

Do not be satisfied with superficial observations

You have been quoting people to attack the Bible knowing fully well that, that's not how Israel got those lands in 1948. You looked for an avenue to insult the Bible but ofcource you knew the Bible had nothing to do with the Israel Palestinian conflict. Who's mischievous? You met a superior reasoning and started throwing unnecessary defence and asking lame question without addressing my point on the UN creating present day Israel without biblical inputs. Go sidon for corner jor

omonnakoda:
First you said I think the UN blah blah blah
Now you say my "position about people"
Already you are contradicting yourself is it people or the UN?
Next you talk about superior argument to one that I have never made . Is it by force?

Honestly you are just being an irritant

At no time did I express any position on the UN

So you are either being mischievous or deliberately dissembling either way all I ask is that you just go away and leave me in peace and do not put words in my mouth

DMerciful:
You have been quoting people to attack the Bible knowing fully well that, that's not how Israel got those lands in 1948. You looked for an avenue to insult the Bible but ofcource you knew the Bible had nothing to do with the Israel Palestinian conflict. Who's mischievous? You met a superior reasoning and started throwing unnecessary defence and asking lame question without addressing my point on the UN creating present day Israel without biblical inputs. Go sidon for corner jor

Go and play

Gbafue!!

pstemma1990:
the earth is of the Lord's and fullness thereof.... And he gives anything or anywhere to whomever he chooses..

No wonder the God of the Fulanis chose to gave your lands to herdsmen. When Fulani Herdsmen come to take what God has given to them you resist. When they take it by force, you start complaining.

helinues:
Christians started terrorism all in the name of crusade... That was one of the reason why Bible was modified.. Quran is yet to be modified hence the terrorist still referring to some verse to carry out their evil mission

Stop lying you are not wise at all,you are fanatically stupid.How dare you compare Isreal with bokoharam.You are d same gullible guy on this forum notoriously known for supporting this evil Government because of monthly #30000 from Apc.You annoyed me by mocking my God,Yahweh.For what you have done,from this moment on you cease to prosper.May evil locate youfrom this moment on.

Spe23:
The map shows how Israel has been forcefully taking palestinian land since the state of Israel was created in 1948.

Israel has been carrying out this atrocity mainly with the help of Britain and America killing thousands of palestinians including women and children.

Unfortunately, many people are foolishly supporting Israel in this cruel act. We shouldn't lose our humanity as humans out of hatred for a tribe or a nation. We should always stand for justice at all times.

Are you one of the members of Hezbollah or Hamas? Because your comment reveals who you are...islamic terrorist solicitor....
While mentioning the US and Uk ? Are they UN Security Council that is saddle with the responsibility of finding lasting peace between two warring nations....oga, shame on you...don't come here and be misleading people with your minuscule brain compartment...
Anyway, i will not join the issue with you because you lack political intelligence...

helinues:
Given by who?

In late 1917 British forces conquered Palestine from Ottoman-Tutk, ending 1,400 years of Islamic rule over the region. By that time Jews only accounted for 6 percent of the total population. Incessant wars and persecution over centuries had driven out most of the Jewish population from their homeland.

The area labelled as Palestine and extending into Lebanon were initially known as land of Canaan which was the name used in Biblical times. Canaan covered Land of Israel (Judea, Samaria, etc), Phoenicia and Philistia (Land of the Philistines). The Palestinians are descendants of the Philistines. The Philistines were part of the Sea People who invaded ancient Egypt and were relocated to the southern abandoned coast of Canaan by Pharaoh Ramesses III after his victory over them around 1200BC.

Below is a map of the region from around 1200BC to 1050BC where the 12 tribes of Israel occupied majority of the area with Philistia just beside the Mediterranean Sea to the southwest. For Palestinian apologists to be claiming they owned the region because most Jews were exiled by wars and 1,400 years of Islamic rule that allowed the Palestinians to expand unfettered is erroneous history. The term Palestine in ancient lierature did not even exist until around 500BC.

The whites in South African can also draw maps of what used to be their land during the Apartheid era and then tell us how Zulus and other indigenous tribes encroached.

The Temple Mount, which is the holiest site of Judaism had the First Temple built there by King Solomon in 957BCE more than 1,500 years before the Muslim Caliph Umar came to build the Al-Aqsa mosque around the same area after muslim invasion of the Levant, turning it into the third holiest site of Islam.

omonnakoda:
The same Person that gave Benue and Abakaliki to the Fulani

You nailed it bro. Don't mind the idiot called hell-anus