enilove:


There is a difference between a fable and faith.
Don't mix them together.

Jesus actually came to the world and died . But to believe his divinity or not is about faith and a personal convictions.

To me , it is the truth and I can testify that he is God and not human .

The case of this Solomon's death for a whole year without his subjects noticing is senseless and ridiculous . Unless they want to claim he was alone in the palace for that whole year without visitations from his wives , children and relatives etc.

Let me show you what fable actually means from the Bible:

But Jehoash king of Israel replied to Amaziah king of Judah: “A thistle in Lebanon sent a message to a cedar in Lebanon, ‘Give your daughter to my son in marriage.’ Then a wild beast in Lebanon came along and trampled the thistle underfoot. You have indeed defeated Edom and now you are arrogant. Glory in your victory, but stay at home! Why ask for trouble and cause your own downfall and that of Judah also?” (2 Kings 14:9-10; parallel account 2 Chronicles 25:18-19)


When Jotham was told about this, he climbed up on the top of Mount Gerizim and shouted to them, “Listen to me, citizens of Shechem, so that God may listen to you. One day the trees went out to anoint a king for themselves. They said to the olive tree, ‘Be our king.’

“But the olive tree answered, ‘Should I give up my oil, by which both gods and humans are honored, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Next, the trees said to the fig tree, ‘Come and be our king.’
“But the fig tree replied, ‘Should I give up my fruit, so good and sweet, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Then the trees said to the vine, ‘Come and be our king.’
“But the vine answered, ‘Should I give up my wine, which cheers both gods and humans, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Finally all the trees said to the thornbush, ‘Come and be our king.’
“The thornbush said to the trees, ‘If you really want to anoint me king over you, come and take refuge in my shade; but if not, then let fire come out of the thornbush and consume the cedars of Lebanon!’
“Have you acted honorably and in good faith by making Abimelek king? Have you been fair to Jerub-Baal and his family? Have you treated him as he deserves? Remember that my father fought for you and risked his life to rescue you from the hand of Midian. But today you have revolted against my father’s family. You have murdered his seventy sons on a single stone and have made Abimelek, the son of his female slave, king over the citizens of Shechem because he is related to you. So have you acted honorably and in good faith toward Jerub-Baal and his family today? If you have, may Abimelek be your joy, and may you be his, too! But if you have not, let fire come out from Abimelek and consume you, the citizens of Shechem and Beth Millo, and let fire come out from you, the citizens of Shechem and Beth Millo, and consume Abimelek!” (Judges 9:7-20)

There are more from where these came from.

enilove:


Allah is on trial , truly speaking , for many reasons like :

How did he become the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob suddenly when Muhammad came ?

How come the ways he is worshipped are so different from the God of Abraham , Issac and Jacob ?

How come he could perform miracles with the Israelites but could not with the Arabs ?

Why are their commandments and laws contradictory ?

Can you give any reasonable answers to these questions ?

Then pass your judgement on Allah and lets see how it goes.

Kobojunkie:
I am simply going by what I read from your previous post. According to the above, the con was intended to fool the Jinns as indicated- not humans.
As for Jinns having limited knowledge, what was the point of the "we" tricking them(the Jinns) into believing for over a year, that Sulaiman was still alive?

OK.
Continue...

mhmsadyq:

Let me show you what fable actually means from the Bible:

But Jehoash king of Israel replied to Amaziah king of Judah: “A thistle in Lebanon sent a message to a cedar in Lebanon, ‘Give your daughter to my son in marriage.’ Then a wild beast in Lebanon came along and trampled the thistle underfoot. You have indeed defeated Edom and now you are arrogant. Glory in your victory, but stay at home! Why ask for trouble and cause your own downfall and that of Judah also?” (2 Kings 14:9-10; parallel account 2 Chronicles 25:18-19)


When Jotham was told about this, he climbed up on the top of Mount Gerizim and shouted to them, “Listen to me, citizens of Shechem, so that God may listen to you. One day the trees went out to anoint a king for themselves. They said to the olive tree, ‘Be our king.’

“But the olive tree answered, ‘Should I give up my oil, by which both gods and humans are honored, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Next, the trees said to the fig tree, ‘Come and be our king.’
“But the fig tree replied, ‘Should I give up my fruit, so good and sweet, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Then the trees said to the vine, ‘Come and be our king.’
“But the vine answered, ‘Should I give up my wine, which cheers both gods and humans, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Finally all the trees said to the thornbush, ‘Come and be our king.’
“The thornbush said to the trees, ‘If you really want to anoint me king over you, come and take refuge in my shade; but if not, then let fire come out of the thornbush and consume the cedars of Lebanon!’
“Have you acted honorably and in good faith by making Abimelek king? Have you been fair to Jerub-Baal and his family? Have you treated him as he deserves? Remember that my father fought for you and risked his life to rescue you from the hand of Midian. But today you have revolted against my father’s family. You have murdered his seventy sons on a single stone and have made Abimelek, the son of his female slave, king over the citizens of Shechem because he is related to you. So have you acted honorably and in good faith toward Jerub-Baal and his family today? If you have, may Abimelek be your joy, and may you be his, too! But if you have not, let fire come out from Abimelek and consume you, the citizens of Shechem and Beth Millo, and let fire come out from you, the citizens of Shechem and Beth Millo, and consume Abimelek!” (Judges 9:7-20)

There are more from where these came from.

Are you intentionally misreading the content of what you posted or something?

2 Kings 14 vs 8 -9, is not a story but a figure of speech.
Whereas Jugdes 9 vs 7-8,we are clearly told by Jotham, is a fable/story.

The story is in the only Quran honored bro

Kobojunkie:
Who is the man who slept 300 years? Where can we read of his story? Why do you believe his claim to be true?

Kobojunkie:

Are you intentionally misreading the content of what you posted or something?

2 Kings 14 vs 8 -9, is not a story but a figure of speech.
Whereas Jugdes 9 vs 7-8,we are clearly told by Jotham, is a fable/story.

Oga, no worry!

Your brother the trinitarian, that doesn't believe you are a trinitarian will provide the reply.

mhmsadyq:
Oga, no worry!

Your brother the trinitarian, that doesn't believe you are a trinitarian will provide the reply.

Huh?

But I am not a Trinitarian since I do not believe in man's doctrines, however I do believe in the Word of God.

You still haven't answered my question about the main purpose for the "we" tricking the Jinns as far as Solomon's death. Why?

Some years back, I stumbled on some "demonologie" pages that suggested that the 99 demons had wanted to take over Solomon's body or soul. I wonder if that story is in anyway related with your claim that Solomon wield power over Jinns.

Kobojunkie:
Huh?

But I am not a Trinitarian since I do not believe in man's doctrines, however I do believe in the Word of God.

You still haven't answered my question about the main purpose for the "we" tricking the Jinns as far as Solomon's death. Why?

Some years back, I stumbled on some "demonologie" pages that suggested that the 99 demons had wanted to take over Solomon's body or soul. I wonder if that story is in anyway related with your claim that Solomon wield power over Jinns.

I have.
Go back.

mhmsadyq:


I have.
Go back.

Here's the question (in bold) I had asked

Kobojunkie:
I am simply going by what I read from your previous post. According to the above, the con was intended to fool the Jinns as indicated- not humans.
As for Jinns having limited knowledge, what was the point of the "we" tricking them(the Jinns) into believing for over a year, that Sulaiman was still alive?

Kobojunkie:
Here's the question (in bold) I had asked

Here's the answer (in bold) I had gaven:

OK.
Continue...

mhmsadyq:

Here's the answer (in bold) I had gaven:

OK.
Continue...

oh well...

enilove:


That is your own false opinion.

A fable is a fable and cannot become a reality.

Faith is about religion and fable is an untrue story. That is why it is a fable.
For example, Muhammad's existence is not a fable because he actually lived. How he conquered Mecca and his biography are not considered as fables because those were true events.

Like the subject story of this thread , there is no way you look at it that will make it a true story .
You think about it , do you believe this to be a true story ?
If yes , how ?

There are people who believe Jesus never happened. To them the whole episode of one Jesus is fictitious-- Fable.

Even the Jews with whom Jesus lived believe he was an impostor, consequently he was executed between two thieves.

How do you prove to those who believe Jesus was a fable, otherwise?

enilove:


That is your own false opinion.

A fable is a fable and cannot become a reality.

Faith is about religion and fable is an untrue story. That is why it is a fable.
For example, Muhammad's existence is not a fable because he actually lived. How he conquered Mecca and his biography are not considered as fables because those were true events.

Like the subject story of this thread , there is no way you look at it that will make it a true story .
You think about it , do you believe this to be a true story ?
If yes , how ?

Bros, you funny die! This isn't about me or what I believe. It's about what Muslims and christians believe concerning their religion.

Muslims believe the story of Solomon in the Quran without a shade of doubt no matter how absurd or ridiculous it sounds to you. To them the words of Allah is always true.

Conversely, Muslims believe the story of a God dieing on a cross, killed by his creations for redemption of their sins, to be ridiculous and therefore unbelievable because Allah never told them such thing happened. But the story of jesus' death is at the very core of the christian faith.

I'm sure if the story you found to be ridiculous in the Quran happened to be in the bible, your attitude to it would be completely different. So without so much fine point to it, the ridiculousness or otherwise of a religious story is dependent on the side of the divide from which it is being examined.

mhmsadyq:


Then why is the Qur'an account difficult for you to believe?

"Allah knows best" whether it irritates you.

'Allah knows best' irritates who?
You and I know that it's an escape route you guys take to avoid answering questions you have no answer to. And also from confronting the shaky areas and issues of Islam. You can see yourself dodging questions right here in this thread. The simple reason is that you really have no answer to a religion you don't understand.

Allah seem not to like it when his creatures are intelligent and bright. He prefers them to be dumb.
That is why, like we see here, they wouldn't know that a king had died even though they see him standing up. And not until ants have eaten his walking stick or staff and he falls did it then occur to everyone that he had died.

The Koran verses you quoted simply show that the religion of Mohamed is that of 'Simply accept what you are told! Ask no questions!' That is why it is Islam- 'Surrender'. Surrender your thoughts and reasoning. Surrender your mind - have no mind of your own. Surrender or ...... (fill in the blanks)

We know that Islam is based on 'Tales from Arabia'. But just as children enjoy cartoons, no matter how illogical, you guys too have chosen to use the 'Tales' to excite yourselves.

mhmsadyq:

There are people who believe Jesus never happened. To them the whole episode of one Jesus is fictitious-- Fable.
Even the Jews with whom Jesus lived believe he was an impostor, consequently he was executed between two thieves.
How do you prove to those who believe Jesus was a fable, otherwise?

History is actually now proving that Mohamed may never have existed in the picture that Islam has painted him.

The coins and rock inscriptions of the 7th century Arabia are giving a different picture from what the STANDARD NARRATIVE OF ISLAM has told us.

Like I have noted in another thread virtually all of the writers of the Hadiths never came from Mecca or Medina.
They came from hundreds or thousands of MILES away - apparently they were men who were skilled in writing and were commissioned to come up with a system for the emerging religion.
If that is not a red flag for you I wonder what would be!

I showed you that Islam was NOT called Islam until several decades after Mohamed supposedly died. Mohamed was reportedly said to be bringing the 'religion of Abraham'. He didn't call it Islam. Check your religion's history.

But again you may just not want to check because 'Allah knows best'.

Religious stories are nothing but fiction. JRR Tolkien did it better and in his own you don't even need to die to go to heaven. LoL!

sagenaija:

'Allah knows best' irritates who?
You and I know that it's an escape route you guys take to avoid answering questions you have no answer to. And also from confronting the shaky areas and issues of Islam. You can see yourself dodging questions right here in this thread. The simple reason is that you really have no answer to a religion you don't understand.

Allah seem not to like it when his creatures are intelligent and bright. He prefers them to be dumb.
That is why, like we see here, they wouldn't know that a king had died even though they see him standing up. And not until ants have eaten his walking stick or staff and he falls did it then occur to everyone that he had died.

The Koran verses you quoted simply show that the religion of Mohamed is that of 'Simply accept what you are told! Ask no questions!' That is why it is Islam- 'Surrender'. Surrender your thoughts and reasoning. Surrender your mind - have no mind of your own. Surrender or ...... (fill in the blanks)

We know that Islam is based on 'Tales from Arabia'. But just as children enjoy cartoons, no matter how illogical, you guys too have chosen to use the 'Tales' to excite yourselves.

sagenaija:

History is actually now proving that Mohamed may never have existed in the picture that Islam has painted him.

The coins and rock inscriptions of the 7th century Arabia are giving a different picture from what the STANDARD NARRATIVE OF ISLAM has told us.

Like I have noted in another thread virtually all of the writers of the Hadiths never came from Mecca or Medina.
They came from hundreds or thousands of MILES away - apparently they were men who were skilled in writing and were commissioned to come up with a system for the emerging religion.
If that is not a red flag for you I wonder what would be!

I showed you that Islam was NOT called Islam until several decades after Mohamed supposedly died. Mohamed was reportedly said to be bringing the 'religion of Abraham'. He didn't call it Islam. Check your religion's history.

But again you may just not want to check because 'Allah knows best'.

You qouted me yet, you never addressed my own question. Instead, you went all over criticising Allah, Muhammad and Islam, how that answers my question, I don't understand.

As long as you continue to see Allah from the prism of a God that was concieved by a betrothed virgin, born, wean and later killed by the same people he came to redeem of their sins, you may never understand the concept of "Allah Knows Best".

Anyways, those are your dilusional opinions about Islam.

mhmsadyq:


There are people who believe Jesus never happened. To them the whole episode of one Jesus is fictitious-- Fable.

Even the Jews with whom Jesus lived believe he was an impostor, consequently he was executed between two thieves.

How do you prove to those who believe Jesus was a fable, otherwise?

Oh my did you really think this was a real event? Someone was giving an illustration to someone can't you read...oh dear

mhmsadyq:


Let me show you what fable actually means from the Bible:

But Jehoash king of Israel replied to Amaziah king of Judah: “A thistle in Lebanon sent a message to a cedar in Lebanon, ‘Give your daughter to my son in marriage.’ Then a wild beast in Lebanon came along and trampled the thistle underfoot. You have indeed defeated Edom and now you are arrogant. Glory in your victory, but stay at home! Why ask for trouble and cause your own downfall and that of Judah also?” (2 Kings 14:9-10; parallel account 2 Chronicles 25:18-19)


When Jotham was told about this, he climbed up on the top of Mount Gerizim and shouted to them, “Listen to me, citizens of Shechem, so that God may listen to you. One day the trees went out to anoint a king for themselves. They said to the olive tree, ‘Be our king.’

“But the olive tree answered, ‘Should I give up my oil, by which both gods and humans are honored, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Next, the trees said to the fig tree, ‘Come and be our king.’
“But the fig tree replied, ‘Should I give up my fruit, so good and sweet, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Then the trees said to the vine, ‘Come and be our king.’
“But the vine answered, ‘Should I give up my wine, which cheers both gods and humans, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Finally all the trees said to the thornbush, ‘Come and be our king.’
“The thornbush said to the trees, ‘If you really want to anoint me king over you, come and take refuge in my shade; but if not, then let fire come out of the thornbush and consume the cedars of Lebanon!’
“Have you acted honorably and in good faith by making Abimelek king? Have you been fair to Jerub-Baal and his family? Have you treated him as he deserves? Remember that my father fought for you and risked his life to rescue you from the hand of Midian. But today you have revolted against my father’s family. You have murdered his seventy sons on a single stone and have made Abimelek, the son of his female slave, king over the citizens of Shechem because he is related to you. So have you acted honorably and in good faith toward Jerub-Baal and his family today? If you have, may Abimelek be your joy, and may you be his, too! But if you have not, let fire come out from Abimelek and consume you, the citizens of Shechem and Beth Millo, and let fire come out from you, the citizens of Shechem and Beth Millo, and consume Abimelek!” (Judges 9:7-20)

There are more from where these came from.

I was forced to read their account of Solomon and I totally lost it...when I got to the part of the ants talking, I was looking to see if there was a WiFi speaker installed.

The bird part reminded of snow whites step mother. Then there was also the part where they talked about jinns.

Apparently they are some kind of sorcerers and where under some punishment with their Solomon. Like they literally turned Isreal's king to a joke. It's so hilarious, I felt I was reading a bedtime story.

sagenaija:
Islam's Strange Account of Solomon's Death
Q.34:14 states:
"When We decreed Solomon’s death, nothing indicated to the ˹subjected˺ jinn that he was dead except the termites eating away his staff. So when he collapsed, the jinn realized that if they had ˹really˺ known the unseen, they would not have remained in ˹such˺ humiliating servitude."

According to Ibn Kathir, Solomon died leaning on his stick, which was staff and stood like that for nearly a year. It was not until insect ate his stick and it became weak that he fell to the ground. That was when everyone around him knew that he had died.

Now, this was a king. Not an ordinary person. So, are we to believe that for about a year no family member or servants or officials of his kingdom recognized that he had died standing? Are we to believe that no one attempted to communicate or speak with him throughout this period?

Maybe Empiree, Lukgaf, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, motayoayinde, mhmsadyq, haekymbahd or Realismailakabir can explain this to us.

Muslims should come and tell me how Solomon died and was leaning on the stick for up to a year and people around him didn't know..
Why didn't the Bible which is older than Quran said that or is there any place it was mentioned in the Bible which I don't know...
Solomon is older than Islam and Christianity, I don't understand how Quran will claim that without a historical evidence.. I want to know...

Empiree, Lukgaf, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, motayoayinde, mhmsadyq, haekymbahd or Realismailakabir

I invite you to be a Muslim first because the partisan lens you're wearing might not let you believe and understand that. The first thing is to believe in Allah as the one and only God. BTW, I encourage you to read the whole Quran

peggywebbs:
I was forced to read their account of Solomon and I totally lost it...when I got to the part of the ants talking, I was looking to see if there was a WiFi speaker installed.

The bird part reminded of snow whites step mother. Then there was also the part where they talked about jinns.

Apparently they are some kind of sorcerers and where under some punishment with their Solomon. Like they literally turned Isreal's king to a joke. It's so hilarious, I felt I was reading a bedtime story.

mhmsadyq:


Let me show you what fable actually means from the Bible:

But Jehoash king of Israel replied to Amaziah king of Judah: “A thistle in Lebanon sent a message to a cedar in Lebanon, ‘Give your daughter to my son in marriage.’ Then a wild beast in Lebanon came along and trampled the thistle underfoot. You have indeed defeated Edom and now you are arrogant. Glory in your victory, but stay at home! Why ask for trouble and cause your own downfall and that of Judah also?” (2 Kings 14:9-10; parallel account 2 Chronicles 25:18-19)


When Jotham was told about this, he climbed up on the top of Mount Gerizim and shouted to them, “Listen to me, citizens of Shechem, so that God may listen to you. One day the trees went out to anoint a king for themselves. They said to the olive tree, ‘Be our king.’

“But the olive tree answered, ‘Should I give up my oil, by which both gods and humans are honored, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Next, the trees said to the fig tree, ‘Come and be our king.’
“But the fig tree replied, ‘Should I give up my fruit, so good and sweet, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Then the trees said to the vine, ‘Come and be our king.’
“But the vine answered, ‘Should I give up my wine, which cheers both gods and humans, to hold sway over the trees?’
“Finally all the trees said to the thornbush, ‘Come and be our king.’
“The thornbush said to the trees, ‘If you really want to anoint me king over you, come and take refuge in my shade; but if not, then let fire come out of the thornbush and consume the cedars of Lebanon!’
“Have you acted honorably and in good faith by making Abimelek king? Have you been fair to Jerub-Baal and his family? Have you treated him as he deserves? Remember that my father fought for you and risked his life to rescue you from the hand of Midian. But today you have revolted against my father’s family. You have murdered his seventy sons on a single stone and have made Abimelek, the son of his female slave, king over the citizens of Shechem because he is related to you. So have you acted honorably and in good faith toward Jerub-Baal and his family today? If you have, may Abimelek be your joy, and may you be his, too! But if you have not, let fire come out from Abimelek and consume you, the citizens of Shechem and Beth Millo, and let fire come out from you, the citizens of Shechem and Beth Millo, and consume Abimelek!” (Judges 9:7-20)

There are more from where these came from.

Yes these are fables used as parables .No one is disputing that . They are used as idioms.

That of Solomon is not only a fable but unreal, unreasonable ,senseless and falsified account which never happened.

I am an open minded person and that is why I went ahead to read the story of Solomon according to the Islamic version. There are also stories in the bible I find hilarious too so I think it's equal.

However my bone of contention is why the Qur'an is talking about the story of King Solomon. I don't think anyone can best describe the life of their King other than their people. Its like asking a Calabar man about Sango.

The account is obviously conflicting with a lot of questionable things. The isrealites believe Solomon was blessed with wisdom, knowledge and understanding. He was the author of the book of proverbs.

But the Qur'an made it look like he was a jihadist threatening Queen of Sheba that he would raise her kingdom down if she didn't serve God. That version also made it look like he was consorting with magicians or psychics which is forbidden even among the people of Israel.

I compared the two accounts and that was really something else making a chair magically appear from another kingdom. God is not known for magic. Whatever he does, he does for a reason. Solomon's wisdom was not magic. Then where did the talking to animals come from. I understand you can study the nature of animals but nobody can speak to them at least not on this earth.

Lukgaf:
I invite you to be a Muslim first because the partisan lens you're wearing might not let you believe and understand that. The first thing is to believe in Allah as the one and only God. BTW, I encourage you to read the whole Quran

Sheunma:
Bros, you funny die! This isn't about me or what I believe. It's about what Muslims and christians believe concerning their religion.

Muslims believe the story of Solomon in the Quran without a shade of doubt no matter how absurd or ridiculous it sounds to you. To them the words of Allah is always true.

Conversely, Muslims believe the story of a God dieing on a cross, killed by his creations for redemption of their sins, to be ridiculous and therefore unbelievable because Allah never told them such thing happened. But the story of jesus' death is at the very core of the christian faith.

I'm sure if the story you found to be ridiculous in the Quran happened to be in the bible, your attitude to it would be completely different. So without so much fine point to it, the ridiculousness or otherwise of a religious story is dependent on the side of the divide from which it is being examined.

I don't believe that Muhammad is a true prophet of God . Because I don't believe he is a prophet does not make his account a fable or unreal story.

The Muslims do not believe Jesus died on the cross and we Christians believe he died on the cross. Did Jesus exist ? Yes . Was he crucified on the cross ? Yes . Because the Muslims do not believe he was crucified is a common thing in any historical accounts of past events. But they are never called fables. You can only say it is true or false but not fable.

If it such were to be in the Bible , I WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER BELIEVE IT because it is senseless even to a 5 year old.

Like I asked you earlier , how can you believe such ?

mhmsadyq:


Then pass your judgement on Allah and lets see how it goes.

How does this answer my questions ?

It is a big shame that you can't defend your Quran and Allah .

peggywebbs:
I was forced to read their account of Solomon and I totally lost it...when I got to the part of the ants talking, I was looking to see if there was a WiFi speaker installed.

The bird part reminded of snow whites step mother. Then there was also the part where they talked about jinns.

Apparently they are some kind of sorcerers and where under some punishment with their Solomon. Like they literally turned Isreal's king to a joke. It's so hilarious, I felt I was reading a bedtime story.

What do you think about these:

. The Serpent. Genesis 3
1 But the serpent was cunning, more than all the animals of the field that Jehovah God had made, which said to the woman: Conque God has told you: Do not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman answered the serpent: From the fruit of the trees of the garden we can eat;

3 But of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God said: You shall not eat of it, nor touch it, that you may not die.

4 Then the serpent said to the woman: You will not die;

5 But God knows that the day you eat of him, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.

6 And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat and that it was pleasing to the eyes, and a covetable tree to attain wisdom, and he took off his fruit, and ate, and also gave to her husband, who ate just like her.

7 Then their eyes were opened, and they knew they were naked; Then they sewed fig leaves and made aprons.

8 And they heard the voice of Jehovah God walking in the garden, in the air of the day, and the man and his wife hid from the presence of Jehovah God among the trees of the garden.

9 But Jehovah God called to man, and said, Where are you?

10 And he said, I heard your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked, And I hid

11 And God said to him, Who taught you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I sent you not to eat?

12 And the man said The woman you gave me as a companion gave me the tree, and I ate.

13 Then Jehovah God said to the woman, What have you done? And the woman said: The snake deceived me, and I ate.

14 And Jehovah God said to the serpent: Because this you did, you shall be cursed among all the beasts and among all the animals of the field; on your chest, you will walk, and dust you will eat every day of your life.

The ass of Balaam. Numbers 22. 21-40
27 And when the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, he lay down under Balaam; and Balaam got angry and hit the donkey with a stick.

28 Then Jehovah opened his mouth to the donkey, which said to Balaam, What have I done to you, that you have scourged me these three times?

29 And Balaam said to the donkey Because you have mocked me. I wish I had a sword in my hand, which would kill you now!

30 And the donkey said to Balaam, Am I not your donkey? You have ridden on me since you have me until this day; Have I used to do so with you? And he replied: No.

31 Then Jehovah opened Balaam’s eyes and saw the angel of Jehovah, who was on the road and had his naked sword in his hand. And Balaam bowed and bent over his face.

32 And the angel of the Lord said to him, Why have you whipped your donkey these three times? Behold, I have gone out to resist you because your path is perverse in front of me.

33 The donkey has seen me and has turned away from before me these three times, and if he had not turned away from me, I would also kill you now, and she would leave her alive.

enilove:


How does this answer my questions ?

It is a big shame that you can't defend your Quran and Allah .

LNGKMD!

Oga, pass your judgement in Jesus name, make we see wetin go happen

enilove:


Allah is on trial , truly speaking , for many reasons like :

How did he become the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob suddenly when Muhammad came ?

How come the ways he is worshipped are so different from the God of Abraham , Issac and Jacob ?

How come he could perform miracles with the Israelites but could not with the Arabs ?

Why are their commandments and laws contradictory ?

Can you give any reasonable answers to these questions ?

It is good to know you are reading Quran.

But honoured brother, be aware that all prophets of Allah including Prophet Sulaiman (Solomon) were Muslims during their lifetime and Allah send them all to the earth to spread His Gospel which is to worship Him (Allah) alone. This is the primary responsibility of all the prophets (Isa, you called Jesus inclusive etc). They were sent to people from time to time when to pass this message to them, Allah send another when one die and people revert to disbelief after sometime. So, Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, him, being the last and zeal of all the prophets (May Peace and blessings of Allah be with him and all prophets). So, tell me which account do you think will be correct sir? Sure, you'll agree with me it is the latest which is Quran. So, there is no falsity in the Holy Quran. I'm happy you said you are reading it. I encourage you read to an end and also worship Allah alone by being a Muslim.

Also, honoured bro, I think you are getting things wrong sir because you are comparing the prophet of Allah with we normal human being. They are special creatures of God and they were given a unique miracle (Muslim call it muujisah) which they use to challenge their people, that Allah is Great. He (Allah) gave them power to perform these miracles and so they challenge their people that if they think Allah is not powerful, they should bring what is equivalent or more than their miracles. So, Allah endowed Solomon with this kind of muujisah. In his case, Allah give him the ability to control and talk to other creatures (e.g birds and Jinn). Jesus was also endowed with muujisah during his lifetime. All prophet of Allah were given their own unique muujisah.

Kindly refer to the Quran for full details about how Allah endowed His prophet with miracles for the sole purpose of challenging their people - that, if they think Allah is not a powerful creator, they should bring the equivalent of what they brought.

So, if all other books are adulrated, not the word of Allah - Quran

peggywebbs:
I am an open minded person and that is why I went ahead to read the story of Solomon according to the Islamic version. There are also stories in the bible I find hilarious too so I think it's equal.

However my bone of contention is why the Qur'an is talking about the story of King Solomon. I don't think anyone can best describe the life of their King other than their people. Its like asking a Calabar man about Sango.

The account is obviously conflicting with a lot of questionable things. The isrealites believe Solomon was blessed with wisdom, knowledge and understanding. He was the author of the book of proverbs.

But the Qur'an made it look like he was a jihadist threatening Queen of Sheba that he would raise her kingdom down if she didn't serve God. That version also made it look like he was consorting with magicians or psychics which is forbidden even among the people of Israel.

I compared the two accounts and that was really something else making a chair magically appear from another kingdom. God is not known for magic. Whatever he does, he does for a reason. Solomon's wisdom was not magic. Then where did the talking to animals come from. I understand you can study the nature of animals but nobody can speak to them at least not on this earth.

enilove:


Yes these are fables used as parables .No one is disputing that . They are used as idioms.

That of Solomon is not only a fable but unreal, unreasonable ,senseless and falsified account which never happened.

LNGKMD!

Ok.
Now there are fables in the bible. The fables in the bible are real, reasonable, sensible and a true account which happened.

enilove:


That is your own false opinion.

A fable is a fable and cannot become a reality.

Faith is about religion and fable is an untrue story. That is why it is a fable.

There is a difference between a fable and faith.
Don't mix them together.

What do you now think about fables and faith?

Why do you think, the teaching of your God, Jesus is 80% fables?

Lukgaf:
I invite you to be a Muslim first because the partisan lens you're wearing might not let you believe and understand that. The first thing is to believe in Allah as the one and only God. BTW, I encourage you to read the whole Quran

Just become a Moslem without addressing her concerns and questions?
Are you guys for real?
Believe in Allah?
Read the Koran?
Without referring her to where in the Koran she can find answers?
You must be clowns.

Btw, which Koran is not adulterated - the Hafs Koran or Warsh?

If you study religion well enough you will know that Solomon was practicing Judaism. There was nothing like Christianity or Islam even then. Islam came just over 600 years ago.. Christianity is over 2000 years.

No Christian will even tell you that King Solomon was a Christian. The people of Israel were practicing Judaism while other idol worshippers were following Baal.

Please go do your research and stop thinking the world started with Islam and would end with it. This is people's history you are talking about. How can you know better than them.

Don't even tell me Jesus was a Muslim

Lukgaf:
It is good to know you are reading Quran.

But honoured brother, be aware that all prophets of Allah including Prophet Sulaiman (Solomon) were Muslims during their lifetime and Allah send them all to the earth to spread His Gospel which is to worship Him (Allah) alone. This is the primary responsibility of all the prophets (Isa, you called Jesus inclusive etc). They were sent to people from time to time when to pass this message to them, Allah send another when one die and people revert to disbelief after sometime. So, Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, him, being the last and zeal of all the prophets (May Peace and blessings of Allah be with him and all prophets). So, tell me which account do you think will be correct sir? Sure, you'll agree with me it is the latest which is Quran. So, there is no falsity in the Holy Quran. I'm happy you said you are reading it. I encourage you read to an end and also worship Allah alone by being a Muslim.

Also, honoured bro, I think you are getting things wrong sir because you are comparing the prophet of Allah with we normal human being. They are special creatures of God and they were given a unique miracle (Muslim call it muujisah) which they use to challenge their people, that Allah is Great. He (Allah) gave them power to perform these miracles and so they challenge their people that if they think Allah is not powerful, they should bring what is equivalent or more than their miracles. So, Allah endowed Solomon with this kind of muujisah. In his case, Allah give him the ability to control and talk to other creatures (e.g birds and Jinn). Jesus was also endowed with muujisah during his lifetime. All prophet of Allah were given their own unique muujisah.

Kindly refer to the Quran for full details about how Allah endowed His prophet with miracles for the sole purpose of challenging their people - that, if they think Allah is not a powerful creator, they should bring the equivalent of what they brought.

So, if all other books are adulrated, not the word of Allah - Quran