budaatum:


It is written in the Torah:

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Will you obey such a command?

And why?

And what are the consequences if you obeyed or disobeyed?

sonmvayina:

Ok ,
I will answer you with a simple analogy.
You created a robot to help you wash your car in the morning. And everyday by 5 am he gets up and washes the car that's what he does day in day out for millions of years without complaining. Sound good doesn't it. What if you take out the OS and upgraded it such that it can perform so many functions..
The first thing you probably will do will be to test run it..if you say " don't smash the windshield "? And it does anyway....does it not mean your upgrade worked? Because it can perform another function and maybe a thousand more...

Like I said before we are spiritual being having a human experience. Spirits can't make choices they do whatever God has created them yo do. God created man and endowed it with the ability and capacity to make choices. Sometimes our choices are not favorable to us and our neighbor.. so because also we have the tendency to commit evil. God decreec that our stay on earth should not exceed 120 years. When we "die" our spirits return to him our body return to earth..to default settings..

The story is a retelling of how death came to be.

So all thatis required is to follow certain rules to make the experience more fruitful and purposeful..hence ifa, torah and omenani...

sonmvayina:

Like I said before we are spiritual being having a human experience. Spirits can't make choices they do whatever God has created them to do. God created man and endowed it with the ability and capacity to make choices.

budaatum:
Teacher sonmvayina, I hope you do not mind that I created a thread for my schooling. It is so my education does not get lost in other conversations that may distract my learning.

First let me say, you have not answered my questions above, so forgive me if I at some point ask them again. Meanwhile, I shall address your current education of buda.



In the above, you say "Spirits can't make choices", yet you say "God created man and endowed it with the ability and capacity to make choices", which causes a connundrum in my mind, and that's apart from the fact that neither of us are mindless robots who just do what we are told, nor are we "Spirits that can't make choices".

Is it just woman that is the Spirit Robot that can not make choices and must just do what God commanded her to do, while the man is the one "endowed with the ability and capacity to make choices" and is free therefore to have experiences?

I ask because in the text I quoted in my initial question I think it was the other way around. That Adam was the mindless robot who did what he was told, while the woman Eve was no robot at all, but decided to check with her own senses to gain experience if what she was told was true or not true.

I do appreciate your patience and time in educating buda.

sonmvayina:


Humans(both man and woman) where created with the ability to make choices...

budaatum:


Thank you for the clarification.

If both man and woman were created to make choices, is it true that they can not therefore be "Spirits that can't make choices" as you initially stated, and therefore nothing like the analogy of the mindless robots you created to wash your car?

I mean, you son, and buda, are not mindless robots that have been created to do as we are told, or are we?

sonmvayina:


Man is spirit dwelling within a body fashioned from the DUST OF the earth.

budaatum:

A motor car is not imbued with a brain that is the mind inside the human, nor does the motor car wake up in the morning and decide where to go all by itself, both of which humans can do and a lot more. So I'd say we are very much different to motor cars and we must question our understanding of the book we read so God can give us answers.

You would not have been told to ask and seek and knock with all your heart and soul and mind and being if you were not supposed to use it to [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+9%3A10&version=KJV]diligently seek[/url] first God's Kingdom.

budaatum:


The question was whether humans are "Spirits that can't make choices" as you claimed, or if humans have "the ability and capacity to make choices", as you also claimed.

I ask because a spade and a shovel are two different tools and you did say you are old enough to know the difference, so teach me please Master Sonm.

budaatum:


The question was whether humans are "Spirits that can't make choices" as you claimed, or if humans have "the ability and capacity to make choices", as you also claimed.

I ask because a spade and a shovel are two different tools and you did say you are old enough to know the difference, so teach me please Master Sonm.

sonmvayina:


Human are Spirits residing in a body or vessel fashioned from the DUST of the earth. The spirit on its own is spotless. But when it enters a body it animates it and brings the vessel to life. When it departs , death accurs.

budaatum:


Okay. If you way so. Though, again, you have failed to reconcile whether humans are "Spirits (+ flesh) that can't make choices" as you claimed, or if humans are spirits (+ flesh) that have "the ability and capacity to make choices", as you also claimed.

I am insisting because it really is a spade and a shovel connundrum that should be resolved before we proceed with my education please.

sonmvayina:


But I have clarified this from the beginning. Humans are flesh (+spirit ) with the ability to make choices...

budaatum:


Good! So, we agree that contrary to your initial statement that "Spirits can't make choices they do whatever God has created them to do", we humans are "Spirit + flesh", and have the ability to make choices. (Do please bear in mind that I reserve the right to ask if disobeying satan was a spirit or not or had flesh too).

Now that that is cleared up, might you kindly attend to my initial query please, which I repeat below, because as you can see, buda will like to take full advantage of the education you can provide her in full.

It is written in the Torah:

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Will you obey such a command?

And why?

And what are the consequences if you obeyed or disobeyed?

sonmvayina:


Please you have to define your terms..I don't understand you.

Who is Satan or what is Satan

Who is lord God

Tell me what you mean by those then I will gladly explain the story for you..

Thanks

budaatum:


No! You are the one who said "God created man and endowed it with the ability and capacity to make choices". And it is you who said "God decreed that our stay on earth should not exceed 120" and it is you that said it "is required is to follow certain rules to make the experience more fruitful and purposeful.. hence ifa, torah and omenani". And you never defined your God then and that is precisely why I quoted the Torah you said should be obeyed and my questions to see if you obey what you are telling me to obey and for you to explain the consequences of you obeying or not!

So teach me please by answering my simple questions so I may first understand, and then if we find it is I that needs to be teaching you we can address your questions!

It is written in the Torah:

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Will you obey such a command?

And why?

And what are the consequences if you obeyed or disobeyed?

Thank you in advance, Master Sonm.

budaatum:


No! You are the one who said "God created man and endowed it with the ability and capacity to make choices". And it is you who said "God decreed that our stay on earth should not exceed 120" and it is you that said it "is required is to follow certain rules to make the experience more fruitful and purposeful.. hence ifa, torah and omenani". And you never defined your God then and that is precisely why I quoted the Torah you said should be obeyed and my questions to see if you obey what you are telling me to obey and for you to explain the consequences of you obeying or not!

So teach me please by answering my simple questions so I may first understand, and then if we find it is I that needs to be teaching you we can address your questions!

It is written in the Torah:

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Will you obey such a command?

And why?

And what are the consequences if you obeyed or disobeyed?

Thank you in advance, Master Sonm.

sonmvayina:
We are meant to read them and learn the messages they contain...

budaatum:


And it is precisely the message they contain and that you claim to have learnt and that must be obeyed that I am kindly begging you to teach to me please, hence my questions.

I mean, you do recognise that the quoted text is about the second order given to humans by God as written in the Torah, and must therefore be important, and why I have asked that my lesson begin with it, right?

So I ask again Master Sonm. And thank you in advance.

It is written in the Torah:

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Will you obey such a command?

And why?

And what are the consequences if you obeyed or disobeyed?

sonmvayina:


You just don't want to learn..or you are deliberately ignoring my teaching...whichever case you still loose..

Forget about the written words. That conversation NEVER happened. Learn the message in the story.

You can't interpret what never transpired....it is just a story..

God is not a man...

budaatum:


Here you go again! "Its just a story", yet "Learn the message in the story", that "you can't interpret" or even bother to teach me, while you bother about some God whom you say "is not a man" but whom you say must be obeyed.

Do know that the next time you say I do not understand, I will be bringing you back here to remind you that you failed to answer my question to teach understanding.

sonmvayina:


I have answered your question.

If you are asking if I would eat the fruit, I said I probably would just to experience what death is since I already have an idea what life is.....

budaatum:


You had never answered my questions before the lame attempt above and you know you haven't, and I wonder what you are trying to hide by blatantly lying!

You said one must obey the Torah. In the Torah God is written to have said "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it", so why would you disobey what God commanded in the Torah that you said must be obeyed and "probably eat" the fruit of a tree you are forbidden by God to eat?

Are you a hypocrite Master Son? And is that the lesson you are teaching me, that I must be a hypocrite too?

sonmvayina:

If you have been following my line of thought..

sonmvayina:

So again what did you say that even made sense?

sonmvayina:


If you have been following my line of thought..

KnownUnknown:


Your line of thought consists of a bunch of broken wriggles. You look and reason like you have a mild case of Down Syndrome.

You’re the universe having a retard3d individual experience.

budaatum:



You must state how much I bribed you to say the above or I will post the receipt myself!

See son. You education is happening already!

KnownUnknown:
I would PAY YOU to say it. The guy has tried to insult me before with that “did you finish primary 6/ss3” line and I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

What was my crime? I followed his wriggles to their retard3d conclusion.

sonmvayina:
You have no sense at all...how did you even get past primary 6?

I thought I have matured discussion. Never knew you are one of them nicompo....olodo.

So again what did you say that even made sense? If you have been following my line of thought..

HellVictorinho:
This thread is meaningless.

budaatum:
Teacher sonmvayina, I hope you do not mind that I created a thread for my schooling. It is so my education does not get lost in other conversations that may distract my learning.

First let me say, you have not answered my questions above, so forgive me if I at some point ask them again. Meanwhile, I shall address your current education of buda.

I do appreciate your patience and time in educating buda.

BassReeves:


budaatum, being that according to your admission you created this thread for your schooling, then it'll be appropriate that the thread's title heading be 'budaatum get to school' as opposed to the current 'somn goes to school'

BassReeves:
Eve's reasons for eating the fruit were due to pride, disobedience, thievery, covetousness, narcissism, vanity, self-centredness etc.