hensben:
How is he consistent? He should go on loan to play regular football.

I didn't say he is consistent, I said he is showing that he is ready to be a consistent performer. He hasn't played a whole lot but has been very impressive when called upon. Isn't that a sign that it's about time he starts playing much more regularly at the top level?

If Tuchel doesn't plan to play him much, they should just send him on loan to a nice club let him see regular playing time.

thorrvik55:


Mount is responsible for Werners poor form in front of goal!!

Mount is also responsible for Kanes poor form

Mount is responsible for the Naija Twitter ban

Mount is responsible for the average Nigerian politician being corrupt

Mount is responsible for the current dip in the crypto market!!

The list goes on and on..

there are a MOUNTain of things the MASONs are responsible for

BikeMan:
LMAO! Yes let’s disregard Kane’s PL career because of one Euro2020 game.

Help me sharply find Lewandoski goal so far.

lewdflopski is the definition that flop pass flop.

You can bet that Kane could still score before him even with the tougher opponents and even score more than him

Ibime:


Well all I'm saying is don't compare your eye test to official tackle stats. . . they are not the same.

Also Jorginho maxis trying to sell Jorginho to us on number of tackles are barking up the wrong tree.

You can never sell Jorginho to us on tackles or any defensive metric. Every man and his dog knows that's not his USP.

Sell him to us on his ability to dominate games in midfield, of which he has been an utter failure against any decent team.

Nobody on planet earth ever sold Xavi or Pirlo to us based on their number of tackles.

Gilmour has more in his package than jorginho and he is far younger.

I don't know why Chelsea is not giving him the experience he needs to take over from jorginho.

swiz123:


When we dominate big teams, like we did to City in the league game, you give anyone not Jorgs credit. If the reverse becomes the case, you give push the blame solely on Jorgs.

We dominated ATM with Jorgs completing the most passes and most progressive passes yet he his only good against Newcastle

Obviously you have little clue what you are saying as Jorginho was benched for the league game in favour of Gilmour, besides Man City put out their B team.

ATM is a low block team. They don't consider themselves dominated just cos you have more possession. They allow you to have it. What makes us have the upper hand in those games are the runs made by Kante, Mount and co to punch through and create overloads, not because they allowed Jorginho to pass the ball to his defenders.

Jorginho has been playing as a lone DM whilst overseeing the Azurri's 10th straight clean sheet. I wonder why national team managers haven't taken advantage this or is it that it is not as easy as special pundit Ibime wants us to believe

Ibime:



Jorginho hailings are only rising because of the UCL where Tuchel put low block and community defence around him. Should he be at Man City playing in the opponents half, it will be a field day for counterattacking opponents.

lie lie, Jorginho hailings came before he joined chelsea, continued after he joined, got difficult when both other two CMs drift too forward further and complains about Kante began. Next season they hailed the Jorginho-Kovacic partnership a season where Kovacic deservedly won Chelsea best player beating Mount to it.

Still some how, Lampard kept playing him and even after Tuchel brought Kante back he barely benched Jorginho and Tuchel is someone who tries ALL possible options.

Ibime:



Jorginho under Pep will be the weakest point of the Pep team through which opposition launch their counterattacks, just like Rodri, infact worse.

That's why Pep benched Rodri for UCL final. He may as well not bother with Kante running through.

Difference is Rodri has height and strength and is useful for outmuscling players before having to get in a foot race with them. He's also useful for stopping long balls.

Jorginho hailings are only rising because of the UCL where Tuchel put low block and community defence around him. Should he be at Man City playing in the opponents half, it will be a field day for counterattacking opponents.

what is jorginho's saving grace in the italian national team?

swiz123:
Jorginho has been playing as a lone DM whilst overseeing the Azurri's 10th straight clean sheet. I wonder why national team managers haven't taken advantage this or is it that it is not as easy as special pundit Ibime wants us to believe

Wait let them jam strong team. Playing Granit Xhaka is no benchmark.

CSTRR:

Gilmour has more in his package than jorginho and he is far younger.

I don't know why Chelsea is not giving him the experience he needs to take over from jorginho.

The only thing holding Gilmour back is his physique..

Ibime:


Obviously you have little clue what you are saying as Jorginho was benched for the league game in favour of Gilmour, besides Man City put out their B team.

ATM is a low block team. They don't consider themselves dominated just cos you have more possession. They allow you to have it. What makes us have the upper hand in those games are the runs made by Kante, Mount and co to punch through and create overloads, not because they allowed Jorginho to pass the ball to his defenders.

You didn't see where I said he made the most forward passes? Or did Rudiger and T.silva start playing attack?

Ps: I don't think Kante started the ATM game

thorrvik55:


The only thing holding Gilmour back is his physique..

More like experience, which is the fault of Chelsea.

Jorginho is not exactly a physical behemoth.
Busquet too has a slight frame.

swiz123:
Jorginho has been playing as a lone DM whilst overseeing the Azurri's 10th straight clean sheet. I wonder why national team managers haven't taken advantage this or is it that it is not as easy as special pundit Ibime wants us to believe

Lol I tire.
When Ibime started with Jorginho is easy to press, tried reminding him he's one of the most difficult players in Italy to press.

To resist press is a team effort, no one can survive an isolated press that's why the tactic works.

Jorginho is comfortable to receive the ball anywhere and would hardly pick the wrong pass or one that puts the team in a difficult position, when he is in possession reclaiming the ball is hardly an option. What Ibime wants is for Jorginho to be "fast" which is a bit unrealistic.

CSTRR:

Gilmour has more in his package than jorginho and he is far younger.

I don't know why Chelsea is not giving him the experience he needs to take over from jorginho.

because you allow a good player like Gilmour to mature and not let him experience a Christensen period that affect them in the long run. Let him continue to grow so nothing shakes him even if it's in a bad game

BlueAngel444:
lie lie, Jorginho hailings came before he joined chelsea, continued after he joined

Can you show me one instance where Jorginhos name has been mooted to even enter the 5th PFA team of the year, or where he will be in the top 5 players nominated or voted for Chelsea POTY.

Jorginho can't finish top 5 in any Chelsea POTY vote for 3 years in a row, so who is hailing him? Infact point me to a single fan poll that voted Jorginho in the top 7 for Chelsea POTY in his 3 years at Chelsea.

Under Jorginhos watch, also-rans like Kovacic and Mount are winning POTY. These are players who should be finishing 5th or 6th in voting if Chelsea players were performing.

The hailing is only in your head.

Infact, gilmour offers a greater defensive cover then jorginho despite his young physique.
He is very aggressive.

Na Chelsea just dey dull the guy.

Meanwhile South American football is not for the weak oh

See tackles in the Argentina - Uruguay game Omo

Ibime:


Can you show me one instance where Jorginhos name has been mooted to even enter the 5th PFA team of the year, or where he will be in the top 5 players nominated or voted for Chelsea POTY.

Jorginho can't finish top 5 in any Chelsea POTY vote for 3 years in a row, so who is hailing him? Infact point me to a single fan poll that voted Jorginho in the top 7 for Chelsea POTY in his 3 years at Chelsea.

Under Jorginhos watch, also-rans like Kovacic and Mount are winning POTY. These are player who should be finishing 5th or 6th in voting if Chelsea players were performing.

The hailing is only in your head.

When you show me where Holjerbg or the DMs you like have entered such?

Can't recall Cesar being voted though. Yet is Cesar not good.

I am sure in Napoli Jorginho was in such lists, and Napoli had a good consistent attacking team and KK at the back.

Jorginho makes a good team better, as long as it is not metallic football

BlueAngel444:
because you allow a good player like Gilmour to mature and not let him experience a Christensen period that affect them in the long run. Let him continue to grow so nothing shakes him even if it's in a bad game

That is why I advise we give him 20-30 consistent minutes in most league games.

Take off jorginho at the 60-70 minutes mark.

He is 20. We are not helping him by completely cuddling him.

CSTRR:

That is why I advise we give him 20-30 consistent minutes in most league games.

Take off jorginho at the 60-70 minutes mark.

He is 20. We are not helping him by completely cuddling him.

it is expecting Jorginho to play poorly then it gets okay to put Gilmour, there were games Kante should have been benched at some point yet he was let to play to the end. Either Gilmour waits or he goes on loan, like Ampadu did.


Let's not forget Gilmour started because of injures to some Scottish players like he did when certain chelsea players got injured. Gilmour is good but there were few games this season that showed he needs to play consistently.

thorrvik55:


Mount is responsible for Werners poor form in front of goal!!

Mount is also responsible for Kanes poor performance

abeg no remind me of that ponzi scheme called cryptocurrency

Why is kane misfiring? I thought mount needed a clinical striker to get plenty assist

He plays shots directly at the keeper for cruise effect


Even if we get Lewandowski, if you have a fool like mount behind him, he will flop, it's becoming obvious

BlueAngel444:

When you show me where Holjerbg or the DMs you like have entered such?

Can't recall Cesar being voted though. Yet is Cesar not good.

Hojberg was voted 3rd in Spurs POTY this past season behind Kane and Son.

Azpilicueta won the players POTY in 2014 and features high in fan voting for awards

Can you show me where Jorginho even placed top 7 in fan awards?

The hailings is in your head.

teeshet:
what is jorginho's saving grace in the italian national team?

Ibime answer this question

Thank God verrati no dey, so answer

Jorginho has been Jorginho with or without Kante

BlueAngel444:
it is expecting Jorginho to play poorly then it gets okay to put Gilmour, there were games Kante should have been benched at some point yet he was let to play to the end. Either Gilmour waits or he goes on loan, like Ampadu did.


Let's not forget Gilmour started because of injures to some Scottish players like he did when certain chelsea players got injured. Gilmour is good but there were few games this season that showed he needs to play consistently.

Gilmour should go on loan to Italy.
They know how to groom a maestro or DLP.

That is a more productive venture than keeping him at Cobham as training fodder.

BlueAngel444:
Ibime answer this question

Thank God verrati no dey, so answer

Jorginho has been Jorginho with or without Kante

Who has Italy played?

So far I see them hailing Locatelli and Barella and some even calling for Chelsea to sign Locatelli to replace Jorginho.

popizaino:


Stop contradicting yourself man,how can we be used to combat DM and yet we are quick to choice Gilmour over him. Is Gilmour also a combat player?

We??

BlueAngel444:

Lol I tire.
When Ibime started with Jorginho is easy to press, tried reminding him he's one of the most difficult players in Italy to press.

To resist press is a team effort, no one can survive an isolated press that's why the tactic works.

Jorginho is comfortable to receive the ball anywhere and would hardly pick the wrong pass or one that puts the team in a difficult position, when he is in possession reclaiming the ball is hardly an option. What Ibime wants is for Jorginho to be "fast" which is a bit unrealistic.

Bournemouth and David Brooks will beg to disagree.

Jorginho has no half turn and can't spin away from a player on his back, so he can never be press resistant. He is the only belle-face deeplying playmaker I have ever seen.

All Jorginho does is move into space with no one around him before he can turn and play forward. If any player is on his back or within 5 yards, he will play the ball back belle-face to where it came from. That's why someone said all he does is avoid mistakes. The minute you give him ball with someone on his back, a mistake is likely.

Press resistant ko, press resistant ni.

Ibime:



Jorginho under Pep will be the weakest point of the Pep team through which opposition launch their counterattacks, just like Rodri, infact worse.

That's why Pep benched Rodri for UCL final. He may as well not bother with Kante running through.

Difference is Rodri has height and strength and is useful for outmuscling players before having to get in a foot race with them. He's also useful for stopping long balls.

Jorginho hailings are only rising because of the UCL where Tuchel put low block and community defence around him. Should he be at Man City playing in the opponents half, it will be a field day for counterattacking opponents.

How well do you think Jorginho will fare under Bayern and Barcelona of Pep?

thorrvik55:


Mount is responsible for Werners poor form in front of goal!!

Mount is also responsible for Kanes poor form

Mount is responsible for the Naija Twitter ban

Mount is responsible for the average Nigerian politician being corrupt

Mount is responsible for the current dip in the crypto market!!

The list goes on and on..

Endless list bruv

BlueAngel444:


Mount won't, there is something consistent about Mount, especially when he plays midfield, even if he starts slowly. Yesterday he showed why he is England's best midfielder #consistency. He does what he does, simple or special even when the team is struggling.

For the past four seasons of Mount's career he has been consistent. Managers value that. They value that if the give you a job they trust you will do it.

People are yet to understand the importance consistency in football.

donstan18:

How well do you think Jorginho will fare under Bayern and Barcelona of Pep?

Less than Rodri.

He will win a few titles, people will hail him for making 80-100 passes but ultimately, he will be the target for opposition managers to break through.

Fernandinho is one of the best things that happened to Pep in EPL. A player that can pass and run. Pep found him there, he won't usually go for him, but that's the kind of player you need as DM in a high possession team.

Ibime:


Less than Rodri.

He will win a few titles, people will hail him for making 80-100 passes but eventually, he will be the target for opposition managers to break through.

Fernandinho is one of the best things that happened to Pep in EPL. A player that can pass and run. Pep found him there, he won't usually go for him, but that's the kind of player you need as DM in a high possession team.

I don’t mean to misconstrue you, but are you indirectly saying Busquet was a passenger under Pep?