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Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ warned against those who will teach the doctrines and traditions of men as if God's Truth - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14.

Kobojunkie:
if you think all I have said are nothing but likes and bogus claims so far, why keep asking me questions. It is ok to move on.

Kobojunkie:
I am not avoiding you. I gave you several Bible references and asked you to read and use your own understanding to learn the Truth for yourself.

You already concluded that what I have said so far are nothing but lies and bogus claims... so what else do you want from me? More lies and bogus claims? Hell no! Learn the Truth of God for yourself abeg and dont let me decieve you with more lies...

Kobojunkie:
I am not avoiding you. I gave you several Bible references and asked you to read and use your own understanding to learn the Truth for yourself.

You already concluded that what I have said so far are nothing but lies and bogus claims... so what else do you want from me? More lies and bogus claims? Hell no! Learn the Truth of God for yourself abeg and dont let me decieve you with more lies...

lexy2014:
According to u:

"Jesus Christ did not save(Salvation) you from sin. He instead saved you from Death".

How is death u are referring to different from sin? Romans 6:23

Kobojunkie:
What is sin?
What is death?
Do all sins result in Death?
Does Death only result from sin?

These are questions you can answer for your own self if you will only spend time reading to comprehend what is written using your own,not someone else's, understanding.

Kobojunkie:
What is sin?
What is death?
Do all sins result in Death?
Does Death only result from sin?

These are questions you can answer for your own self if you will only spend time reading to comprehend what is written using your own,not someone else's, understanding.

lexy2014:
Oga, u are d one making claims about how death and sin are different and that Jesus died for death and not for sin. So kindly tell me d difference between death and sin

Prototocos:
When you read the scripture do it with diligence! What is Sin: sin is an immoral act that ranges from malice, gossip, anger, hatred, mischief, strifes, envy, fornication, in-fact it is wrongdoings. which I am certain you or your shepherd who covet in tithing schemes are not exempted from one of these aforementioned even your patriarch, have they gone to hell? So don’t claim to be a moralist when your acts and works can not even justify you. It’s not by our power that we are save lest any man should boast! but by the finish work of Christ!

How do will receive salvation is it not by hearing and believing? The criminal who was sin conscious to the point of death by hanging on the cross alongside Christ Jesus what actually saved him?

So when you hear the phrase sin can not take you to hell why can’t you comprehend if you actually a disciple of Christ Jesus?

Kobojunkie:
The claims I have made so far are right there in the book. You doubt them and that is ok. So, you go read and learn for yourself instead.

lexy2014:
Since u said that death and sin are different and that Jesus died for death and not for sin, so kindly tell me d difference between death and sin

Kobojunkie:
Read John 3 vs 16 - 21

Kobojunkie:
I didn't tell you of myself. I told you what Jesus Christ taught, what I have obeyed and found to true. Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God and no one who rejects His teachings will enter in through the narrow gate or into Heaven.

Kobojunkie:
Read John 3 vs 16 - 21

lexy2014:
How does d scripture u have quoted answer d question? Since u say death and sin are different and that Jesus died for death and not for sin, kindly tell me d difference between death and sin.

sonofElElyon:
So do you believe the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the divine triumvirate ?
Do you believe in the divine Trinity ?
Do you believe at all that the Holy Spirit is a person ?
What is the meaning of kobojunkie ?

lexy2014:
Since u have read John 3:16-21, can u show me where it says that there's a difference between sin and death?

Kobojunkie:
I can't show you what is right there for you to see for yourself. It is only requires the use of basic language comprehension skills, something most every human being on this planet has.

Kobojunkie:
John 3 bs 16 -21 answers you

Righteousness2:
Ladies and Gentlemen with all due respect , what I Heard here with my Ears is PURE GRAMMAR and Could Cost u your Soul. .

Sin is what will Hinder us From Heaven.

Unbelief in Jesus Christ on its own is a Sin. It will hinder us. Revelation 21:8

Fornication, Adultery, Masturbation, Prostitution,any form of Immorality are Sins. They will hinder us.

Malice, Jealousy, lying, Stealing, bearing False witness, idle words are sins. They will hinder us from Heaven.

Cultism, idol worship, murder, abortion, lgbt are sins. They will hinder us.

Every form of Unrighteousness is Sin. They will hinder us.

What will give us access to Heaven is Confessing our sins to GOD, Repenting from dem, Surrender and Believe in JESUS Christ.

Even after Salvation, we need to repent from every sin we fall into and ask GOD for mercy.

These are the Last days! Be careful of what and who you listen to. Heaven and Hell are Real. Eternity is a Personal race.

Isaiah 59:1-2, Isaiah 35:8-10, 1 John 3:8-9, 1Peter1:15-16, Revelation 21:8, Rev 21:27, Romans 1:21-32, 1Cor 6:9-10, Romans 6:1

lexy2014:
No it doesn't. Show me where it does. How does d scripture u have quoted answer d question? Since u say death and sin are different and that Jesus died for death and not for sin, kindly tell me d difference between death and sin.

lexy2014:
Use ur comprehension skills and basic language to answer d simple question:

can u show me where it says that there's a difference between sin and death?

Kobojunkie:
yes it does!

Kobojunkie:
If you are not willing to even do the basic, then why continue this back and forth?

Kobojunkie:
You don't even believe that the Spirit of God Himself can only occupy Holy vessels yet you think asking me questions will make you feel better about any of what you have revealed of your beliefs here?

sonofElElyon:
Avoiding my questions..

And why don't you tell me bluntly if you believe in the Trinity

What also is the meaning of kobojunkie

Anyway to further enlighten you.. when a person becomes genuinely born again his previous sins are completely taken away.. he starts on a clean slate (tabula rasa).. old things are passed away.. accepting Christ genuinely then qualifies him to receive the Holy Spirit who is also refered to as the Spirit of Christ. It is not by your self righteousness but humility to accept Christ and His Holy Spirit that brings about genuine righteousness and power to overcome sin.. "our righteousness are as filthy rags"..
Selah

damosky12:
God forgives all persons. But don't you think the problem of sin is independent on God? Don't you think sin is not that you are offending God but that you are entangling yourself with unholiness.

A Holy God cannot have anything to do with sin. He can't even behold it. Hence, the sinner who is uncleansed cannot have a link with a Holy God. God Himself is holiness. Holiness can't have anything to do unholiness.

This is why the narrative of God being able to forgive a sinner is faulty. God is not a man that forgives like man. Man forgives you but can't cleanse you from sin. Man is a sinner and can relate with your sins. God is not man. He forgives by cleansing man from His sins totally.[/qoute]

REPLY
[qoute]I don't think Our sins will in any way affect God and has anything to do with his holiness . If he decides to forgive us out of his Mercy after we have repented, that is very easy for him.
I don't understand your saying that God can not forgive sins because he is not man. What do you think is the meaning of the popular saying "To err is human and to forgive is divine "?
It is only a man that forgives but never forgets. God on the other hand can forgive you in totality without minding your atrocities so long as you have sincerely repented. This is why he is called Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.[/qoute] END

[qoute]Jesus is God in human flesh. He is the perfect expression of the mercifulness of God. The most effective way for God to communicate with His creatures was to become like them. That's what Jesus is [/qoute]

REPLY
This statement grossly undermines the OMNIPOTENT attributes of God and can be regarded as blasphemy. A God that can not communicate effectively with his creatures Untill he becomes like them can not be termed Omnipotent.
So why didn't this merciful God come down as human during the time of Adam, Abraham, Noah and others?? END

[qoute]Man (regular prophets) will communicate God's will, to the best if their abilities, with some errors. The cultures and human limitations of mere human Prophets would impede their effective communication of the gospel.

Jesus is God's clearest message to human kind in that He is God Himself in human flesh. His dying on the cross signifies His act of mercy and TRUE forgiveness by atoning for the sins of mankind. His death showed us that He is God who blots out our sins totally (doesn't cope with it, being a Holy God). He became man to deliver us totally from sin. His resurrection authenticates the fact that He is God in Human flesh. [/qoute]

REPLY
And this is it. Jesus must die on the cross otherwise the concept of salvation wouldn't make sense (in Christendom). This is according to apostles Paul in the book of 1 Corinthians 15 vs 13-19. If Jesus didn't die, the concept of salvation will be meaningless. So what do you say about the biblical verse that said anyone hanged on a Tree is an accursed of God?? Or when Jesus prayed and cried that the cup of Death should pass over him and was answered and that only the prayers of the wicked is not answered by God (In this case, is Jesus wicked? )?

An elaborate case of what actually happened to Jesus on that day is explained in the Qur'an( permit me to digress)

An Nisah(Women) vs 157
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus),
son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they
killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of
'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed
that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts.
They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but
conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus),
son of Maryam (Mary) ]: But Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)]
up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the
heavens). And Allâh is Ever All-Powerful, All Wise. }
[4:157-158].END




[qoute]Jesus is not just another prophet or messenger. He is the perfect expression and communication of the person of God to mankind. His holiness, compassion, and ultimate sacrifice are the expression of God's message to mankind.

To accept the sacrifices of Jesus Christ is to be saved from sin. To reject it in your heart is to opt for your own way (and not God's way). But how effective would that be?

kushe:
If Jesus the creator of the universe and the one who laid his life for us were here today,some religious people would still find fault in him.
God did not abolish a set of rules to now keep us bound by another set of rules. The new covenant has freedom in it but the foundation of that freedom is a relationship with God by accepting the death and sacrifice of his son.
People are going to be lost eternally not because they were sinners,but because they refused to accept God's remedy for sin.

Kobojunkie:
1. But God did not abolish any set of rules to begin with.

2. Did Jesus Christ ever say anything like "believe in His death and sacrifice"?

3. Jesus Christ Himself said that only those who obey His Commands are those who love Him. Clearly, those who disobey or sin against Him are those who do not belong to Him - those slated for eternal damnation. ki

Sorry but the old covenant has been done away with,that was why Jesus came.