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Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by louqas: 5:13am On Jul 07, 2021
nyiamfrank:
AFRICAN CHARTER ON HUMAN AND PEOPLES RIGHTS

ARTICLE 20
1. All peoples shall have the right to existence. They shall have the unquestionable and inalienable right to self-determination. They shall freely determine their political status and shall pursue their economic and social development according to the policy they have freely chosen.
2. Colonized or oppressed peoples shall have the right to free themselves from the bonds of domination by resorting to any means recognized by the international community.
3. peoples shall have the right to the assistance of the State Parties to the present Charter in their liberation struggle against foreign domination, be it political, economic or cultural.

You may want to ask if that is the constitutional of Nigeria? The answer is YES. This is because Nigeria is a member state of the OAU and is a signatory to that law. Nigeria went further to domesticate the law which makes it automatically part of the construction of Nigeria. Since 1979, Nigeria has never refuted or amended that law.

Is it very very clear to you now? If anything contrary, present it here let me learn from you.
1. Don't NIGERIANS have rights to self determination? They do ,just that they don't know or are pretending not to know and simply repeating the lines some politicians have taught them. Most of you confuse self determination with seccession. They are different. All nigerian tribes have that right and if we all decide that self determination equals seccession, HOW MANY COUNTRIES WILL NIGERIA BREAK INTO?

2. Colonization ended in Nigeria over 60 years ago , but sadly replaced by internal oppressors . In BENUE state for instance, at least in the nearest foreseeable future,no idoma man will become governor because the tivs will not allow it. David mark as a former SP and qualified to be governor can never be allowed by the tivs.....so should the idomas, igede and agatus should start asking for a separate state? In Oyo state the Ibadans have been and will always be (except accidentally like when Akala was 'elected') governor so should Oyo, Ogbomosho and Okeogun start asking for separate state ?

To me it's foolishness for southerners to refer to FULANI herdmen crisis as oppression, it's simply criminality that should be dealt with...(how can I , say and admit In the words of some people 'cow urine drinking fulani' are oppressing me....how? ..it's stupid to admit that) ..that's why I loved it when Buhari said governors should protect their states and stop running to Abuja afterall they collect security votes to take care of security

3. The only assistance the state owes seccesionists is FAIR TRIAL.....Any government sees another government shielding it's fugitive as enemy , nigeria had complained about NK to UK before but they pretended they didn't hear. Pray tell how did NK get hold of a british passport since his travel documents are still in court? British government has refused to answer this , and they must it not they can't even seek consular assistance for NK

ON paper it's superior to constitution but we only juts need pull out of the charter to make it non binding and I'm sure if that's what it will take to get justice for victims of NK atrocities , Nigeria will do it
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by budaatum: 5:14am On Jul 07, 2021
nyiamfrank:
AFRICAN CHARTER ON HUMAN AND PEOPLES RIGHTS

ARTICLE 20
1. All peoples shall have the right to existence. They shall have the unquestionable and inalienable right to self-determination. They shall freely determine their political status and shall pursue their economic and social development according to the policy they have freely chosen.
2. Colonized or oppressed peoples shall have the right to free themselves from the bonds of domination by resorting to any means recognized by the international community.
3. peoples shall have the right to the assistance of the State Parties to the present Charter in their liberation struggle against foreign domination, be it political, economic or cultural.

You may want to ask if that is the constitutional of Nigeria? The answer is YES. This is because Nigeria is a member state of the OAU and is a signatory to that law. Nigeria went further to domesticate the law which makes it automatically part of the construction of Nigeria. Since 1979, Nigeria has never refuted or amended that law.

Is it very very clear to you now? If anything contrary, present it here let me learn from you.
It is not the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria as amended, as you claimed, but I am willing to allow it, and suggest you go do some research because what you posted does not give a right of seccession. If it did, it is the same Article 20 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and Catalan would have used it to secede from Spain, Scotland would have used it to secede from Britain, California and Texas might have used it to secede from the United States of America already, and Hong Kong and China would definitely have used it to secede from China, since the countrys they are part of are all signatories to the United Nations which gives that the same Right.

In fact, if it did give the right of secession, no country on earth would have signed it. But if you think otherwise, please provide just one country where secession has happened under Article 20.

The clue to its inapplicability is in "Colonized or oppressed peoples". You are not colonized, and you can't exactly prove you are oppressed, and even if it did apply, the place to be proving it is in the African Court on Human and Peoples' Rights, and not by agitating on the streets.

Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by nyiamfrank(f): 5:28am On Jul 07, 2021
louqas:
1. Don't NIGERIANS have rights to self determination? They do ,just that they don't know or are pretending not to know and simply repeating the lines some politicians have taught them. Most of you confuse self determination with seccession. They are different. All nigerian tribes have that right and if we all decide that self determination equals seccession, HOW MANY COUNTRIES WILL NIGERIA BREAK INTO? Please read sub section 1 independently and also tell me what basis Eritrea, South Sudan, Philippines and the Soviet Union dissolved.

2. Colonization ended in Nigeria over 60 years ago , but sadly replaced by internal oppressors . In BENUE state for instance, at least in the nearest foreseeable future,no idoma man will become governor because the tivs will not allow it. David mark as a former SP and qualified to be governor can never be allowed by the tivs.....so should the idomas, igede and agatus should start asking for a separate state? In Oyo state the Ibadans have been and will always be (except accidentally like when Akala was 'elected') governor so should Oyo, Ogbomosho and Okeogun start asking for separate state ?

To me it's foolishness for southerners to refer to FULANI herdmen crisis as oppression, it's simply criminality that should be dealt with...(how can I , say and admit In the words of some people 'cow urine drinking fulani' are oppressing me....how? ..it's stupid to admit that) ..that's why I loved it when Buhari said governors should protect their states and stop running to Abuja afterall they collect security votes to take care of security

3. The only assistance the state owes seccesionists is FAIR TRIAL.....Any government sees another government shielding it's fugitive as enemy , nigeria had complained about NK to UK before but they pretended they didn't hear. Pray tell how did NK get hold of a british passport since his travel documents are still in court? British government has refused to answer this , and they must it not they can't even seek consular assistance for NK

ON paper it's superior to constitution but we only juts need pull out of the charter to make it non binding and I'm sure if that's what it will take to get justice for victims of NK atrocities , Nigeria will do it
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by louqas: 6:22am On Jul 07, 2021
[quote author=nyiamfrank post=103446728][/quote]If we are to go the soviet way we will have at least 200 countries to be formed because 200 tribes in nigeria qualify to be independent nation....anything short of this means some people will still be cheated and will defeat the purpose of separation. That it worked i USSR doesnt mean it will work in our situation....besides USSR was broken by the west everyone knows that

The rest example are not models to be followed.....eritrea fought for 30 years , so did south sudan .....is any Nigerian tribe ready for 30 years war....NO......not even the baifrans.

Like sane minds have been sayinvg.......secession is never the solution.
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by naijapips02: 6:27am On Jul 07, 2021
nyiamfrank:
AFRICAN CHARTER ON HUMAN AND PEOPLES RIGHTS

ARTICLE 20
1. All peoples shall have the right to existence. They shall have the unquestionable and inalienable right to self-determination. They shall freely determine their political status and shall pursue their economic and social development according to the policy they have freely chosen.
2. Colonized or oppressed peoples shall have the right to free themselves from the bonds of domination by resorting to any means recognized by the international community.
3. peoples shall have the right to the assistance of the State Parties to the present Charter in their liberation struggle against foreign domination, be it political, economic or cultural.

You may want to ask if that is the constitutional of Nigeria? The answer is YES. This is because Nigeria is a member state of the OAU and is a signatory to that law. Nigeria went further to domesticate the law which makes it automatically part of the construction of Nigeria. Since 1979, Nigeria has never refuted or amended that law.

Is it very very clear to you now? If anything contrary, present it here let me learn from you.
How is this Nigeria's constitution?
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by addictiv(m): 6:47am On Jul 07, 2021
No govt will support secession... Those that did it successfully did it by force
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by FoolishBoy419: 7:45am On Jul 07, 2021
Idiko1:
The Nigeria is backwater is because of insincerity or lack thereof. In addition, actual facts are readily available on the lips on most Nigeria. The dude did oppose IPOB but he was a snitch.
So what kind of law gives you the right to VIOLENTLY castrate a man for being a snitch? I hope you know that snitching is a cruder word for treason, which is exactly what Namdi Kanu had done. How would you react if he had his cock cut off like that without even anesthesia. How about the native doctors and innocent force men that have been killed.

That a so-called educated man is having such mentality is worrisome
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by Ovamboland(m): 7:59am On Jul 07, 2021
nyiamfrank:
Maybe Mazi Nnamdi Kanu should be tried in America!

Brain dead cows.

Agitation for self determination is a right in the constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria 1999 as amended.

Illiterate.
Quote the section of the constitution that defines self determination and interprete it as empowering any part of the country to walk away. And just because their candidate lost an election
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by Ovamboland(m): 8:15am On Jul 07, 2021
gaetano:
We should stop comparing apples and oranges. Which of the territories of the USA would want to secede. A Land where justice and fairness thrives. Every state in America has its own economy, independent from Washington (FG). The GDP of California alone is bigger than the entire African continent and they don't run that state with oil. If we adopt this model where every state or region spends what we earn, who who want to secede? This fraudulent approach of sharing oil money and cheating and marginalizing one set of people will everly lead to some folks clamoring to leave the union.

Even Spain isn't run as badly as Nigeria is run and Catalonia which controls their own regional economy still want to leave, how much more Nigeria.

If rednecks of America decide to be milking Texans(which are mostly Latinos) oil money and be using it to fund themselves, you think the people of Texas won't want to form their own country or move and rejoin their kins in Mexico.

Thunder go fire anybody who will say its a treasonable offence in Nigeria.
A land of Justice and fairness that kept Africans enslaved for hundreds of years and still emasculate and limit how far they can go in life? You must be high.

Who will want to go yet about 7-8 states banded together after about 90 years of practicing democracy and seceded.
The civil war taught the lessons that you have no such rights. It took another 80 years before anyone from the rebel state became president or VP. In Nigeria 9 years after the civil war someone from the rebel region became VP, yet Nigeria is the intolerant one and marginalize.

We have many goats in Africa, one civil war is not enough to teach a basic lesson, they need whipping several times to learn a lesson
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by Ekez(m): 8:22am On Jul 07, 2021
budaatum:
And emotion is what they want to build a "highly developed, civilised and rich country where everybody has an equal opportunity" with, lol.

Pigs will first fly!
Where den dey uproot all this animals from abeg ;huhhuh
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by NigeriaNawa: 8:50am On Jul 07, 2021
louqas:
Why display so much ignorance and try to pass yourself as a wise person. YOU ARE SO NAIVE

many of you kids don't have any political knowledge, you just do random google searches and get half information and go to town with it....what the guy you quoted told you is the plain truth.....why are some of you averse to obeying laws...
Like lawyers and human rights activists say.....we have enough laws to deal with everything, it's implementation we lack.....the constitution clearly state the process to follow even if you don't like the union again but you'd rather display your ignorance than eat the humble pie , chestbeating mofo
More abject ignorance on public display - keep disgracing yourself
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by SweetiliciousD: 10:33am On Jul 07, 2021
JEWELofHELL:
Earlier today, tweeps witnessed a mild drama on Twitter following a tweet by a Biafran netizen/tweep, @asksasi1, that secession isn't treason. According to him:



However, his opinion was immediately vanquished by other tweeps of different nationalities.

According to @the_davidatta,


For @ronikade,


Can a state secede?



https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/chrisgeidner/faced-with-a-trump-presidency-could-a-state-actually-secede
It is acceptable to be brain dead, but infecting others with same ailment is never acceptable.

Aburi accord was hinged on USA model of democracy and decentralised economy which would have midwived peace and regional growth.

Cows rejected it and opted/fought to retain repressive and lazy feeding bottle economy where meritocracy is replaced by quota system....... Where then lies your comparison?

Wake up.
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by budaatum: 1:33pm On Jul 07, 2021
Ekez:
Where den dey uproot all this animals from abeg ;huhhuh
Inferior education, unfortunately. They are taught to believe instead of how to use their brain and mind, so the end up like ignorant enslaved Adam, and not like intelligent use your own brain to seek wisdom to free yourself Eve.
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by NigeriaNawa: 1:35pm On Jul 07, 2021
budaatum:
Inferior education, unfortunately. They are taught to believe instead of how to use their brain and mind, so the end up like ignorant enslaved Adam, and not like intelligent use your own brain to seek wisdom to free yourself Eve.
You are even more ignorant and deluded than I originally thought. Reason....
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by NigeriaNawa: 1:36pm On Jul 07, 2021
louqas:
[s]1. Don't NIGERIANS have rights to self determination? They do ,just that they don't know or are pretending not to know and simply repeating the lines some politicians have taught them. Most of you confuse self determination with seccession. They are different. All nigerian tribes have that right and if we all decide that self determination equals seccession, HOW MANY COUNTRIES WILL NIGERIA BREAK INTO?

2. Colonization ended in Nigeria over 60 years ago , but sadly replaced by internal oppressors . In BENUE state for instance, at least in the nearest foreseeable future,no idoma man will become governor because the tivs will not allow it. David mark as a former SP and qualified to be governor can never be allowed by the tivs.....so should the idomas, igede and agatus should start asking for a separate state? In Oyo state the Ibadans have been and will always be (except accidentally like when Akala was 'elected') governor so should Oyo, Ogbomosho and Okeogun start asking for separate state ?

To me it's foolishness for southerners to refer to FULANI herdmen crisis as oppression, it's simply criminality that should be dealt with...(how can I , say and admit In the words of some people 'cow urine drinking fulani' are oppressing me....how? ..it's stupid to admit that) ..that's why I loved it when Buhari said governors should protect their states and stop running to Abuja afterall they collect security votes to take care of security

3. The only assistance the state owes seccesionists is FAIR TRIAL.....Any government sees another government shielding it's fugitive as enemy , nigeria had complained about NK to UK before but they pretended they didn't hear. Pray tell how did NK get hold of a british passport since his travel documents are still in court? British government has refused to answer this , and they must it not they can't even seek consular assistance for NK

ON paper it's superior to constitution but we only juts need pull out of the charter to make it non binding and I'm sure if that's what it will take to get justice for victims of NK atrocities , Nigeria will do it[/s]
DRIVEL !!
Re: Secession Is Treason And Punishable By Death In America. by budaatum: 2:57pm On Jul 07, 2021
NigeriaNawa:
You are even more ignorant and deluded than I originally thought. Reason....
That's usually the case with believers. You disregard the evidence in front of your eyes and instead create crap in your head and believe it to be true, only to find you must constantly adjust your thinking.

But don't you worry. I can wait till you fully adjust to accept the reality in front of your eyes.
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