Earlier today, tweeps witnessed a mild drama on Twitter following a tweet by a Biafran netizen/tweep, @asksasi1, that secession isn't treason. According to him:

Treason is trying to overthrow a govt. Secessionist are not trying to overthrow a govt. They are saying they don't belong to the govt. They want der own. It is a call for negotiation of the union.

However, his opinion was immediately vanquished by other tweeps of different nationalities.

According to @the_davidatta,

Food and fitness guru turned emergency lawyer to win twitter debate.... Lol.

Oga secession is treason and is punishable by death in America.

You can phone a friend to confirm.

For @ronikade,

Nigeria constitution does not support it.
The best we can arrive at referendum. That means agitators shld channel their protests towards their lawmakers to include referendum in our constitution first instead of shouting "Buhari must go" to a democratically elected govt.

Can a state secede?

In 2006, Justice Antonin Scalia said no.

In a letter written to a screenwriter, the former justice, who died in February, was unambiguous:

"If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, 'one Nation, indivisible.') Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit."

The Supreme Court, back in 1869, said no — but in a way that left open the possibility Volokh discussed.

Chief Justice Salmon Chase the decision for the court about whether actions taken by Texas after it seceded from the Union during the Civil War should be honored. The court held that Texas never actually left the Union — because it could not do so unilaterally — and so, therefore, actions taken by the Texas government under the Confederacy were invalid.

Chief Justice Salmon Chase wrote the decision for the court about whether actions taken by Texas after it seceded from the Union during the Civil War should be honored. The court held that Texas never actually left the Union — because it could not do so unilaterally — and so, actions taken by the Texas government under the Confederacy were invalid.

First, he discussed the country in general:

"The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?"

Then, Chase discussed what that meant for Texas:

"When ... Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. ... The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

"Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/chrisgeidner/faced-with-a-trump-presidency-could-a-state-actually-secede

The presidency should also tell us the meaning of self determination, because what i always hear from those guys is self determination and not secession. And their call for self determination shouldn't have warrant your show of shame in igboho's house on Thursday.

Maybe Mazi Nnamdi Kanu should be tried in America!

Brain dead cows.

Agitation for self determination is a right in the constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria 1999 as amended.

Illiterate.

Jostoman:
The presidency should also tell us the meaning of self determination

Self determination is your right to elect your leaders, which is a right you already have!

America is a land where justice begets peace. It is not a zoo with kangaroo courts where Islamic terrorist fulanis try to asphyxiate other tribes.

But not in Nigeria. It is not part of our constitution

How about military coup.
I heard it also carries death penalty

1. The USA is a highly developed, civilised and rich country where everybody has an equal opportunity to hustle and survive.
2. The USA does not have to face Islamic terrorism on its own soul.
3. The USA practice cattle ranching , they don’t have terrorist herdsmen roaming around with cattle while killing, maiming and raping
4. The USA fought a brutal war with the British for its independence , it is a free country
5. The USA does not have 250 different ethnic groups
6. In the USA you have freedom of speech, expression and religion


Stop comparing the US to the shit hole .

We should stop comparing apples and oranges. Which of the territories of the USA would want to secede. A Land where justice and fairness thrives. Every state in America has its own economy, independent from Washington (FG). The GDP of California alone is bigger than the entire African continent and they don't run that state with oil. If we adopt this model where every state or region spends what we earn, who who want to secede? This fraudulent approach of sharing oil money and cheating and marginalizing one set of people will everly lead to some folks clamoring to leave the union.

Even Spain isn't run as badly as Nigeria is run and Catalonia which controls their own regional economy still want to leave, how much more Nigeria.

If rednecks of America decide to be milking Texans(which are mostly Latinos) oil money and be using it to fund themselves, you think the people of Texas won't want to form their own country or move and rejoin their kins in Mexico.

Thunder go fire anybody who will say its a treasonable offence in Nigeria.

budaatum:


Self determination is your right to elect your leaders, which is a right you already have!

You keep disgracing yourself, what happened to you ?

So says a parasite without proof

Americans operate resource control in every state. I wonder why anyone would wanna secede in the first place when they already have their mini countries within America already!

Otuegbe:
How about military coup.
I heard it also carries death penalty

How will I tell my children a coup plotter became president

As if dem dey do 5% and 95% for America.

I just laugh at the stupidity of Ipob when they cry for secession. There's no government on earth (not even your beloved western nations) that can support a secession in their own country. It's the same as cutting off a part of your own territory and ceding it to another. Even if that land is not fertile or rich in resources, a government will naturally do everything possible to keep it. It's not about fear of Igbos or other silly, childish theories.

While quoting me, please don't forget to tell me the region or tribe that destroyed the fairest federal system in Nigeria and attempted to turn it into a unitary state

gaetano:
We should stop comparing apples and oranges. Which of the territories of the USA would want to secede. A Land where justice and fairness thrives. Every state in America has its own economy, independent from Washington (FG). The GDP of California alone is bigger than the entire African continent and they don't run that state with oil. If we adopt this model where every state or region spends what we earn, who who want to secede? This fraudulent approach of sharing oil money and cheating and marginalizing one set of people will everly lead to some folks clamoring to leave the union.

Even Spain isn't run as badly as Nigeria is run and Catalonia which controls their own regional economy still want to leave, how much more Nigeria.

If rednecks of America decide to be milking Texans(which are mostly Latinos) oil money and be using it to fund themselves, you think the people of Texas won't want to form their own country or move and rejoin their kins in Mexico.

Thunder go fire anybody who will say its a treasonable offence in Nigeria.

Let me ask you, which region was the first to destroy the initial federal system of Nigeria?

FoolishBoy419:
I just laugh at the stupidity of Ipob when they cry for secession. There's no government on earth (not even your beloved western nations) that can support a secession in their own country. It's the same as cutting off a part of your own territory and ceding it to another. Even if that land is not fertile or rich in resources, a government will naturally do everything possible to keep it. It's not about fear of Igbos or other silly, childish theories.

You dey ment! If Americans operate the type of archaic Unitarian government like Nigeria have, everywhere would have split up. Sink that into your skull. Americans operate fiscal federalism and total resource control!

That's going too far..

Just tame them before growing wings

NigeriaNawa:


You keep disgracing yourself, what happened to you ?

I must be doing a bad job of it because I am not at all disgraced. In fact, I am very very graced.

nyiamfrank:

Agitation for self determination is a right in the constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria 1999 as amended.

Illiterate.

You wanna show us this right in the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999 as Amended, or should we just take your literal word for it?

Kagd10:


You dey ment! If Americans operate the type of archaic Unitarian government like Nigeria have, everywhere would have split up. Sink that into your skull. Americans operate fiscal federalism and total resource control!

You are just ranting. The word "if" implies that we have no way to be sure. But if you look at their history, northern America once went to war with the South to prevent them from seceding so yes, USA would still fight to keep all territories. Human rights, freedom, democracy, etc all go to the dustbin when national interest is involved (and this applies to every nation in the world) . However, I don't expect an Ipob member to know this.

budaatum:


You wanna show us this right in the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999 as Amended, or should we just take your literal word for it?

Those boys are 95% about emotions. Common sense, facts, concessions, hility, etc make up the 5%

NigeriaNawa:
1. The USA is a highly developed, civilised and rich country where everybody has an equal opportunity to hustle and survive.
2. The USA does not have to face Islamic terrorism on its own soul.
3. The USA practice cattle ranching , they don’t have terrorist herdsmen roaming around with cattle while killing, maiming and raping
4. The USA fought a brutal war with the British for its independence , it is a free country
5. The USA does not have 250 different ethnic groups
6. In the USA you have freedom of speech, expression and religion


Stop comparing the US to the shit hole .

I think we should compare America to Nigeria, especially when we consider how America got from zoo that it used to be to what it is today. Or don't you know once America used to be a lawless country, worse than Nigeria even? It was after all known as the Wild Wild West where they drew guns and shot at one another.

In comparing, you'd see how they evolved from zoo to "highly developed, civilised and rich country where everybody has an equal opportunity", and then we might learn to do what they did instead of expecting to reap what we have not sown.

May God punish you for quoting American Law if you are a Nigerian and lives in Nigeria.

Who would even want to secede in a country like USA.

FoolishBoy419:


Those boys are 95% about emotions. Common sense, facts, concessions, hility, etc make up the 5%

And emotion is what they want to build a "highly developed, civilised and rich country where everybody has an equal opportunity" with, lol.

Pigs will first fly!

A lot of "self determination" people are here.
Please what do you mean by self determination?
And who is the self in this sense?

Because I don't understand English so much

Did I just read 'except through revolution'?
Then so be it.

budaatum:


I think we should compare America to Nigeria, especially when we consider how America got from zoo that it used to be to what it is today. Or don't you know once America used to be a lawless country, worse than Nigeria even? It was after all know as the Wild Wild West where they drew guns and shot at one another.

In comparing, you'd see how they evolved from zoo to "highly developed, civilised and rich country where everybody has an equal opportunity", and then we might learn to do what they did instead of expecting to reap what we have not sown.

Apples and oranges, no basis for comparison.

Meanwhile you are relaxing in the UK, why not go back to Nigeria if it is a paradise, lol.

The way some people reason is very embarrassing. A post here is saying that in the United States, secession is treason and some folks here are asking why any group would want to secede in the first place in the US given that the country is developed.
The point is: even if the US was not developed, secession would still be a treasonable offence. That particular law wasn't made because the US is developed. It was made to keep the country together and promote a united and mutual front.
In Nigeria, there's no clause for secession. And secession is treason. The best way to renegotiate being part of Nigeria constitutionally, is by amendment of the Constitution.

Why do you wanna stay with people who don't want you by force? Do you know how many countries have divided? Can you still imagine India and Pakistan in one country?

FoolishBoy419:


You are just ranting. The word "if" implies that we have no way to be sure. But if you look at their history, northern America once went to war with the South to prevent them from seceding so yes, USA would still fight to keep all territories. Human rights, freedom, democracy, etc all go to the dustbin when national interest is involved (and this applies to every nation in the world) . However, I don't expect an Ipob member to know this.

The 1999 constitution is a fraud from the military. That's not the constitution our founding fathers agreed to when the decided to join at independence

michelz:
The way some people reason is very embarrassing. A post here is saying that in the United States, secession is treason and some folks here are asking why any group would want to secede in the first place in the US given that the country is developed.
The point is: even if the US was not developed, secession would still be a treasonable offence. That particular law wasn't made because the US is developed. It was made to keep the country together and promote a united and mutual front.
In Nigeria, there's no clause for secession. And secession is treason. The best way to renegotiate being part of Nigeria constitutionally, is by amendment of the Constitution.

budaatum:


And emotion is what they want to build a "highly developed, civilised and rich country where everybody has an equal opportunity" with, lol.

Pigs will first fly!

We already have a glimpse of what their country would be like. Those who oppose Ipob are having their genitals cut off, the supposed leader having nothing upstairs but insults, fake news, lies, and threats. It's a disaster waiting to happen