Bundaweber:




You people should stop commenting on issues you have no idea about. The obas palace is easy for anyone to enter except during igue festival. Secondly the largest land owner after the government is the oba

no oba owns all the land that's why when anyone killed an animal I mean the big ones like tiger the skin belongs to the oba.

Very educative write up

lexy2014:


Have u seen it for urself

Go see 4 ur sef

Judolisco:
I'm not talking about d consequences here... I'm saying d governor can dethrone d oba...

He can't dare. Not in his wildest imagination

Indispensable85:



Go see 4 ur sef

Have u seen it for urself

Mikecold:
They know nothing, me that is talking since I am uromi

I know how traditions work

so you are uromi and you believe we from the Oba dynasty?
Lol. We are from Ogiso dynasty. Asakpodudu the founder of Uzea is the eldest son of Ogiso Owodo the founder of Uromi is the younger brother of Uzea.
If we were from Oba dynasty why did oba Ozolua attack Uromi Uzea, killing the king of Uzea?
If the Benin halfcaste account (which is chronologically impossible) were correct why would Ozolua attack his half brother and consequently losing his life in the expedition?

Ekaladerhan which the Oba claimed to have descended from was the son of the second wife who wanted to be Queen at all cost who lied against the Queen mother which subsequently made Uzea take the staff, his brothers and mother and fled to the jungle where they founded Esan land

lexy2014:


Have u seen it for urself

Go see 4 ur sef

Judolisco:
do you know why the colonial masters hanged edo chiefs at the market square and banished the King and not kill him?

no pls Mr Edo history tell me na

Petie33:

no pls Mr Edo history tell me na

it's to pass a message to his subjects...

Indispensable85:


Go see 4 ur sef

Have u seen it for urself

ajl:


Don't let us fool ourselves. I am Yoruba too. Back in the days if multiple candidates from the different royal families are vying for the throne, the only way they are selected is by consulting the IFA Oracle. Every palace or town had a royal IFA priest. However these days, it's not certain they follow this model and that's why there is a lot of chaos in the land. Now powerful politicians influence the process to the point that even if the oracle recommends someone, the candidate of the politician is choosen. That's why evil pervades the land. See what happen to the Oba of Lagos. Does that seem like someone selected by the Oracle.

I'm from the royal family of Lagos..
Akiolu is from the Akinsemoyin family, they're one of the ruling family of Lagos, only that he's a the son of a female.
I know politics have entered obaship but it hasn't gotten worse as u saying it.

You made an absolute analogy and good recommendation.

But I would prefer a different location for the museum other than the palace, for Economic boost reason.

DeFuturePresido:
The crux of the disagreement is this: Who should rightfully take custody of these artefacts? To answer the question, let us take two approaches:

1. Who was the original owner of these artefacts, and who, today, physically embodies that person?

2. Who has the greatest capacity to preserve these artefacts for the greater good of the largest number of people and for posterity? Is it
A. The Benin Royal Palace,
B. A privately managed Museum Trust,
C. The Edo State Government or
D. The Federal Government of Nigeria?

ANSWERS
1. The rightful original "owner" or custodian was Oba Ovonramwen Nogbaisi, who was deposed during the British "punitive expedition" of 9 - 17 Feb 1897, which was led by Rear-Admiral Harry Rawson, and which led to sacking of the Benin empire.

The person that, today, physically embodies Oba Ovonramwen is (unequivocally) the current ruler of Benin Kingdom, Oba Eheneden Erediauwa Ewuare II.

2. The answer to who can best manage the artifacts, unfortunately, is not straight forward. Technically, it should be the Federal or State government. However, you only need to pay a visit to Federal and State museums, libraries, or monuments across the country to understand that good management and maintenance is not a strong point of government in these parts.

That leaves us with The Royal Palace or The Private Trust.

My inclination is to suggest a merger of the two options:

A. The museum/cultural district should be built in the location chosen by the Oba of Benin.
B. The museum/cultural district should be managed by the Private Trust.
C. Oba Ewuare II should be made the Chairman of the Trust.
D. The CEO of the Trust should be a thoroughly seasoned professional and should be chosen via a merit-based selection process.
E. Members of the Trust Board should be drawn equally from nominees provided by the Benin Palace, the State Government, the Trust's Directors and the Federal Government.
F. All decisions should be made via simple majority votes.

I believe that this option will resolve the issue and provide the best solution.

Interesting discourse...
I think most people don't realise the Benin system of traditional governance is ruled by a monarchy, just as in England, meaning only a particular family can rule.
Most governors know the headache this can cause because they can't just handover to anyone.
However, I still believe the Oba can be deposed and the baton handed over to their heir son especially, if the son is impatient for his turn, if he is greedy and if he is working in conjunction with the governor.

Deadlytruth:

How can you reconcile the bolded with the fact that he broke traditional convention and paid an official courtesy visit to Obaseki in Osadebe House just a moth into Obaseki's first term?
And if you may know, Obaseki paid him back by stopping the Enogies-governor meeting which predated his administration.

Thanks for your mention.

I have been following the happenings in Edo state.
If you can recall the invent which took place in front of oba's palace prior to the election. The way the oba handled the issue to me was biased, I stand to be corrected.
Blaming a single party in front of the media to me points to one thing,which is taking side.

He also brought up the issue of what Obaseki's grand father did before the whole world.
From that particular video, he went further to explain how he never gave his approval when Osho told him Obaseki was going to be his successor.

This particular video,and His recent statement was what gave rise to my assertions.

All in all,we need peace in Nigeria.

Mikecold:
You missed the part where the oba has set up the palace trust to run it

The government should appeal to have a team in it to supervise

There is no way a governor going in the next three years should use a private musuem to run Edo collective heritage

We all know how private stuffs work when the governor initiating it leaves, it is later you get to know it belongs to the governor and their are bureaucracy in the private firm signed by the government that can't be overruled later

Why not give it to the custodian of bini culture whose palace would remain irrespective of government

Then you can work out a team to be in the palace trust

This makes a lot of sense

eyinjuege:
Interesting discourse...
I think most people don't realise the Benin system of traditional governance is ruled by a monarchy, just as in England, meaning only a particular family can rule.
Most governors know the headache this can cause because they can't just handover to anyone.
However, I still believe the Oba can be deposed and the baton handed over to their heir son especially, if the son is impatient for his turn, if he is greedy and if he is working in conjunction with the governor.

I am a full Edo blood
The truth is that what is the success of a deposition if you cannot appoint another person as king

1) the prince you talk about will never accept because he knows the lay down laws in the palace and it implications

2) the prince will need the seven high chiefs to be in agreement

3) the prince will need all other representatives of all deity in Benin to come to agreement

So how is that possible ?


Until fools arguing blindly understand this the better for them

"YES" the governor can suspend the Oba from performing a state function but not to his people. Oba ovoranmwen was Oba even in calabar

The successful deposition of the Oba of Benin will require you to kill him

Clinton207:
You made an absolute analogy and good recommendation.

But I would prefer a different location for the museum other than the palace, for Economic boost reason.

I don't know why you people refuse to understand simple English that
The Oba have sited land in the Adesogbe area ( the area is not inside the palace but it surrounding close to the palace)

An agreement formerly reach by obaseki and the Oba only for obaseki to change plans without the Oba knowledge

If you were the Oba would accept that ?

lexy2014:


Have u seen it for urself

Go see 4 ur sef

I couldnt help but laugh at those who believes the Oba can't be dethroned, i mean have you all forgotten that Nigeria is a republic and not a monarchy? The only source of authority in any part of Nigeria is the construction, and there's no where in it where either an Oba,Igwe or Emeir is recognised as a source or a weirder of power.
Agreed, it might be difficult but not impossible to dethrone any monarch.

tonididdy:
oga you are the clueless one... I dare you to enter the palace without no protocols.... You will be shot at the gate.
The palace is only open for all without checks on occasions, any other day you will be bounced back if you have no concrete reason to visit the palace.

You are clueless, I go there regularly. You forget that the palace ground is different from the main palace itself. The palace ground is free for anyone to enter. It's only the main palace you need permission to enter. Is it not at the palace ground that the customary court was located? What about the conflict tlresolution committee?

lexyking:
I couldnt help but laugh at those who believes the Oba can't be dethroned, i mean have you all forgotten that Nigeria is a republic and not a monarchy? The only source of authority in any part of Nigeria is the construction, and there's no where in it where either an Oba,Igwe or Emeir is recognised as a source or a weirder of power.
Agreed, it might be difficult but not impossible to dethrone any monarch.

So who will you use to replace him after deposition ?

Bundaweber:




You people should stop commenting on issues you have no idea about. The obas palace is easy for anyone to enter except during igue festival. Secondly the largest land owner after the government is the oba

Lets just leave out the land owning thing
who did he buy the land from
Remember we ve our own Ogiso b4 oba come from ife
claiming all this land you mention is greed wicked and looting.

Deadlytruth:
The original objective behind the creation of those artworks by the palace had nothing to do with revenue generation from the public back in those days. They were meant to be used for traditional rites and other cultural activities directly connected to the palace hence they were acknowledged as Benin Court Artefacts even by the looting British Government. When Oba Akenzua pioneered the movement for the return of those artefacts, he made himself clear that the destination should be the palace in order that they would continue being used for their original purposes in the palace.

In Benin City as of today, those who want to generate revenue from Benin Court art don't go to the palace to ask for samples, rather they carve their own afresh in replication of the palace versions and sell to the public. Likewise, in the National Museum, Onikan, Lagos State, there is a separate Benin Gallery where artworks carved in identical replication of the palace for the public to freely view and sales at very high prices for the sake of revenue generation by the federal government. Why can't Edo State Government do same but insisting on those very original ones meant for the palace?

They for study now and public viewing as objects from the past .
They ve no life what exactly will they be doing for the palace, greeting visitors?

You were quick to bring in Oba Akenzua sorry I dont feel the same as you reason's best know to me.

Indispensable85:



Go see 4 ur sef

Have u seen it for urself

Isusugbaghada:



So who will you use to replace him after deposition ?

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The first son of course! And if for whatever reason he objects to been sworn in, then the Governor can go ahead and strip the throne all the awe and respect that the royal family think they have. Look it might be difficult but like i said earlier it is not impossible for any Governor that is hell bent on removing an Oba.

lexyking:
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The first son of course! And if for whatever reason he objects to been sworn in, then the Governor can go ahead and strip the throne all the awe and respect that the royal family think they have. Look it might be difficult but like i said earlier it is not impossible for any Governor that is hell bent on removing an Oba.

You mean like oshiomole strip the enogie of uromi family the title of being enogie ?


See like i said before the only thing any govt can do to the king in edo is to suspend them from their govt function but not to the ppo

Oshiomole knows he can't remove the enogie of uromi because nobody will take the position
So he was only able to suspend him but Today he is still enogie but oshiomole is no longer governor

Don't let your hate for benin culture makes you think your words will be able to Change the ways things are

The highest any govt can do to the king in edo is suspend him or better still kill the king for the son to take over, hope it makes you happy?

lexy2014:

Have u seen it for urself

Go see 4 ur sef

Indispensable85:


Go see 4 ur sef

Have u seen it for urself

lexy2014:


Have u seen it for urself

Go see 4 ur sef

angelfallz:
About that 1998 suspension, I would try and look into it.

Obaseki can't replace the Oba of Benin even if he was dead.
Again the Oba of Benin stool is not an appointed position. There are ruling families who inherit it.

I know this because I had a neighbour here, who is a Bini man, I also have a close friend of mine who is also Bini we have spoken about the authority of the Oba of Benin. I was made to understand no one plays around with the Oba. Be you governor or president.

Anyway, Lets not digress too far from the topic. I believe, Obaseki should leave the custodian of Benin culture that is the Oba of Benin, to decide where to house the cultural artefacts of the Bini people.
Obaseki should concentrate on governance.

The 1998/1999 episode is well documented.

The reason it seems that the Benin monarchy is so strong is because of the absence of ruling houses.

It is a strong dynasty so suspending or deposing a ruling Oba does not really change anything.

The British could not change the status quo much less an Igbinedion or Obaseki.

Mikecold:
Sorry are you guys this slow?

And why is it that it is non Edo people that should tell Edo people how things work in Edo

Technically the governor has power to do it but it's just a lame power that can't be expressed

Power lies with the people, the people consider the oba divinely higher than the governor

The governor knows the revoult it risks so it can't go that direction since its own power as long as it's democratic lies in the same people

Should a governor become so big to want to suspend an oba it won't be effective because it is the people that hold him in esteem and would continue to provide their traditional rites to him of which the oba by any court of law is guaranteed his freedom of association

Should the oba be dethroned then who do you put because he must die for another to emerge unless you have to kill him and risk unrest

You suspend him yet you can't choose someone in his stead because the entire palace would not agree with you

How do you then elect a new oba either way the court would tell you if you followed the tradition set in place of the palace deciding, if no chiefs agreed with you then how did you elect new oba

You think it's not the same laws that recognize nigeria traditions whether through marriage registry of the family consent or the banks that recognize next of kings

Oba can be dethroned.

But it is meaningless. The Benin royalty is just one family. No one will take the through whilst he's still alive.

But make no mistake, he can be suspended or removed.

Walkee:
who is this fool?
We descended from the ogiso dynasty. Who is oba of Benin, a small boy from ile-ife to found our Kingdom?
Uromi - uzea already existed way before oromiynan set out to conquer uselu.
Uzea is our elder brother and the king of uzea was killed the Yoruba oba of Benin, Ozolua who consequently died in Uromi at the hands Agba n'ojie. The shrine of Agba is next to my family house.
You are very stupid for assuming I'm a Yoruba.

You are a slow yorubastard, the Onojie of Uromi and the Oba of Benin are from the same very line. Oba Ozolua fought Onojie Agba his cousin because the Uromi textile trade as at that time was already booming and he wanted to control it. Brothers fight even twins fight, there are disagreement between brethren everyother day. You are a strange fellow, No Uromi man would point at the Oba of Benin with his left hand.