youngpresidooo:
no he didn't .
Pa Elton I can say did.
But it is not about who did sha

Pa Elton was instrumental as a prophetic voice from the Lord to prophesy the revival that was to come in Africa..Idahosa ministry was one of the first to fulfil that movement..then others were birthed from it.

youngpresidooo:
oga I never insuinated what u wrote.
All I say is that his story of being a christian or how he said he is a christian is not biblical.
And if we should go by bible, Tb joshua was never a christian

What is not biblical? And this brings us to the lame question "who ordained him?"

I never knew it has become a must for a man to undergo another man's apprenticeship before he can lead the people

You all who keep saying he's fake; shebi he was a miracle performer why can't he wake himself? Now ask yourself, how is he fake? Is your own pastor original? How do you know and how sure are you? What makes you believe your pastor is so real and you feel T. B Joshua is so fake?

See ehn! Before you make weighty allegations of these sort against anybody, try to show more conclusive evidence than accusations made out of hearsay, hatred and gross ignorance

youngpresidooo:
like I told you records of John the baptist was not really detailed in the bible firstly. And secondly john the baptist was not even in our dispensation. Including Jesus sef. The resurrection of Jesus christ gave birth to our dispensation.
Now all what Jesus did was to teach us all what was important. Even Jesus talked about tithe, but he only made reference to it once and only said there are weathier matters eventhough it is right. You can read it yourself

Even Jesus taught us about love
"How do say you love me that you have never seen but hate your neighbor that you see"
"Pray for your enemies and even for those who don't love you"

A word of prayer to the evil man by the self-acclaimed saints will be fulfilling the scripture
Or a word of condolence to his wife and kids will be comforting
"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted"

Sunsets:
Nonsense talk. Vouch for you? That a man died and you can't sent words of sympathy publicly to the family. A prominent man died. A father. A life saver of many people. It is disheartening and troubling. What sort of Christianity are they practising. It is unbelievable that this happened. Who is the judge? Adeboye? Oyedepo? Who? Are they saints? Is it a cult? Adeboye is their Point 1 and different cells pay homage and submit to him. So,big he isn't going nobody goes. Tufiakwa!!!

when heads of states and governor's died did they send any message of condolence to those family? Why is TB joshua different?

Fiscus105:


DNT Dodge my questn sir, who was spiritual fathers (that's ordained) of Moses and Elijah?

The scripture never recorded that. But was Jesus never baptized? Weren't the apostles commissioned? If the testimony of TB about his salvation was that of being saved from his mother's womb, then something is wrong somewhere. Who baptized him? Or he was equally baptized from his mother's womb. All testimonies we hear is giving of materials, no one came up to say he or she met Jesus, got saved under his ministry. The core mission of christ on earth was to reconcile sinners to God which he actually commissioned every born again christian to do..

lookingfly:
I don't want to call names but you should be able to see a video on YouTube of a Nigerian mog that made those comments.

Okay

Nonsense talk. Vouch for you? That a man died and you can't send words of sympathy publicly to the family. A prominent man died. A father. A life saver of many people. It is disheartening and troubling. What sort of Christianity are they practising? It is unbelievable that this happened. Who is the judge? Adeboye? Oyedepo? Who? Are they saints? Is it a cult? Adeboye is their Point 1 and different cells pay homage and submit to him. So, if they aren't going nobody goes. Tufiakwa!!!

safesurfer:
Then y'all will turn around and accuse them of hypocrisy if they attend the funeral. We sabi una style. The thing is, these mega pastors have nothing for, or against the late TB Joshua. But you can't associate with a person you can't vouch for. Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyedepo, Eneche, Olukoya etc all mingle with one another, because to a certain extent, they can vouch for themselves. Even Pastor Chris that collaborated with him just once, quickly dissociated himself from him.

longview007:
"Give a dog a bad name and hang him"

Its very shameful of them.

The funny thing is that so many members of their Church follows EmmanuelTv preaching actively and their Pastors know.

But for the fact that they don't want to lose the member to other church, they will not lay any action.

May God Forgive us all.

ITS WELL IN GODS NAME.

lolzzzzz you funny. Like lose member ?
Do you know that David ibiyiome was from winners?
Still comes to winners. Oyedepo isn't scared to lose member to him.
Oyedepo attends redemption camp, he is not scared of losing members to them. I can continue mentioning. Then it is TB joshua with much arranged miracle that no one can boldly come out and say he got healed from the church that they will be scared to lose member to. Come on say another thinf

youngpresidooo:
when heads of states and governor's died did they send any message of condolence to those family? Why is TB joshua different?

Because they are in same Christendom
You keep asking questions like a layman no wonder you are so quick to be brainwashed

youngpresidooo:
lolzzz no be only chop I chop

Seriuosly bro.my dad is an engineer n was among those that build d church..according to my dad he said tb no like make him workers dey collect money frm foreigners...even if na dash..

damocool:

The scripture never recorded that. But was Jesus never baptized? Weren't the apostles commissioned? If the testimony of TB about his salvation was that of being saved from his mother's womb, then something is wrong somewhere. Who baptized him? Or he was equally baptized from his mother's womb. All testimonies we hear is giving of materials, no one came up to say he or she met Jesus, got saved under his ministry. The core mission of christ on earth was to reconcile sinners to God which he actually commissioned every born again christian to do..

Mention one prophet from the Bible that was baptized?
Teach me

Leave these people alone..everybody is entitled to their own conviction..

safesurfer:
is anybody stopping him? In the article, he said there's so much envy and the senior pastors don't want the junior pastors to grow. The question is: how is this statement true?
The churches being led by these men have a free entry and exit policy. If you are fed up of being a member, you can leave at any time. So how are they stopping you from growing? The man is just suffering from inferiority complex.

Is that how Church is supposed to be? The very reason we now have churches everywhere yet wickedness abounds...... churches without love are not of God

tosyne2much:
What is not biblical? And this brings us to the lame question "who ordained him?"

^{I never knew it has become a must for a man to undergo another man's apprenticeship before he can lead the people}

You all who keep saying he's fake; shebi he was a miracle performer why can't he wake himself? Now ask yourself, how is he fake? Is your own pastor original? How do you know and how sure are you? What makes you believe your pastor is so real and you feel T. B Joshua is so fake?

See ehn! Before you make weighty allegations of these sort against anybody, try to show more conclusive evidence than accusations made out of hearsay, hatred and gross ignorance

for that I have been careful to lay emphasis on that if you follow my discussion. But indirectly or directly you must have learn maybe by reading books or anything.
But that is not what I am talking about.
What I am saying is that was TB joshua ever born again?
He hasnt been able to say yes to this till he died. He only said he was born again from his mother womb which negates God's word....
He has to be born again to lead people to christ. How will you lead people to who you don't know?
He never gave his life to christ based on his testimony

youngpresidooo:
lolzzzzz you funny. Like lose member ?
Do you know that David ibiyiome was from winners?
Still comes to winners. Oyedepo isn't scared to lose member to him.
Oyedepo attends redemption camp, he is not scared of losing members to them. I can continue mentioning. Then it is TB joshua with much arranged miracle [b]that no one can boldly come out and say he got healed from the [/b]church that they will be scared to lose member to. Come on say another thinf

Yet testimonies flew from all countries in the entire WORLD WIDE!!
It can pain sha

Let's assume all you said is true. At death, his family deserves to perish? Not even, "sorry children. We may not agree on religious issues, take heart that your dad had to die"
This is barefaced hatred. If Bubu dies today, of course they'll fall over themselves to publicly sympathize with the family. Nonsense.

damocool:

The scripture never recorded that. But was Jesus never baptized? Weren't the apostles commissioned? If the testimony of TB about his salvation was that of being saved from his mother's womb, then something is wrong somewhere. Who baptized him? Or he was equally baptized from his mother's womb. All testimonies we hear is giving of materials, no one came up to say he or she met Jesus, got saved under his ministry. The core mission of christ on earth was to reconcile sinners to God which he actually commissioned every born again christian to do..

tosyne2much:
What is not biblical? And this brings us to the lame question "who ordained him?"

I never knew it has become a must for a man to undergo another man's apprenticeship before he can lead the people

You all who keep saying he's fake; [b]shebi he was a miracle performer why can't he wake himself? [/b]Now ask yourself, how is he fake? Is your own pastor original? How do you know and how sure are you? What makes you believe your pastor is so real and you feel T. B Joshua is so fake?

See ehn! Before you make weighty allegations of these sort against anybody, try to show more conclusive evidence than accusations made out of hearsay, hatred and gross ignorance

you said this I never said that.no one can perform miracle. Only God heals. And he decides when he pleases.

youngpresidooo:
for that I have been careful to lay emphasis on that if you follow my discussion. But indirectly or directly you must have learn maybe by reading books or anything.
But that is not what I am talking about.
What I am saying is that was TB joshua ever born again?
He hasnt been able to say yes to this till he died. He only said he was born again from his mother womb which negates God's word....
He has to be born again to lead people to christ. How will you lead people to who you don't know?
He never gave his life to christ based on his testimony

Mention one prophet from the Bible that gave his life to Christ?

youngpresidooo:
lolzzzzz you funny. Like lose member ?
Do you know that David ibiyiome was from winners?
Still comes to winners. Oyedepo isn't scared to lose member to him.
Oyedepo attends redemption camp, he is not scared of losing members to them. I can continue mentioning. Then it is TB joshua with much arranged miracle that no one can boldly come out and say he got healed from the church that they will be scared to lose member to. Come on say another thinf

No mind those useless idiots saying what they don't know

safesurfer:
is anybody stopping him? In the article, he said there's so much envy and the senior pastors don't want the junior pastors to grow. The question is: how is this statement true?
[s] The churches being led by these men have a free entry and exit policy. If you are fed up of being a member, you can leave at any time. [/s] So how are they stopping you from growing? The man is just suffering from inferiority complex.

Just look at yourself! Firstly you asked how true is the statement? Then, the next line you proffered solution that whoever feel cheated should head for the exit door. Is that how you build a just society or organisation?

Investorlex:

His not looking for attention,has a deeper life member i have seen what the group pastors/leaders do to some of the congregation members (IN THE SENSE THAT SOME ARE NOT FINANCIALLY STABLE SO THEY CAN’T HOLD LEADERSHIP POSITIONS IN CHURCH WERE YOU PAY TITHE & OFFERING & WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN MEMBERS FOR A LONG PERIOD)

I'm a lifer too and I wish I can meet you in person to explain why these things happen. Lol. Especially between 1993 and 2003 when supposed holy brethren (due to wearing big trouser and carrying big bible) absconded with church funds never to be seen again. Or brothers who became leaders and became a heavy yoke in the neck of the members, manipulating them to part with their money, misappropriating retreat funds for personal use. Again, I wish I can meet you in person to tell you true life STORIES of these events. You'll understand why the church adopted that ideology. It may be harsh, but they just had to.

Of course, they always do. Especially where their level reach. They do. This is pathetic. This is not Christ. I am not a SCOAN member. I am a certified Winners member but this is outrightly unChristian.

youngpresidooo:
when heads of states and governor's died did they send any message of condolence to those family? Why is TB joshua different?

Mikecold:
Everybody must sha bring in Adeboye name to shine but the man has been on his lane

Primate Ayodele that keeps looking for attention and been controversial has not talked about himself that is an irrelevant politician tool neither a CAN or PFN member

Last time i checked these men have no public grievance with T.B Joshua except Okotie and they do not occupy CAN or PFN board

I remember when adeboye said to Joshua was not of God

tosyne2much:
What is not biblical? And this brings us to the lame question "who ordained him?"

I never knew it has become a must for a man to undergo another man's apprenticeship before he can lead the people

You all who keep saying he's fake; shebi he was a miracle performer why can't he wake himself? Now ask yourself, how is he fake? Is your own pastor original? How do you know and how sure are you? What makes you believe your pastor is so real and you feel T. B Joshua is so fake?

See ehn! Before you make weighty allegations of these sort against anybody, try to show more conclusive evidence than accusations made out of hearsay, hatred and gross ignorance

the bible talk about by their fruit you shall know them.
Bible talk about testing all spirits.
See my first acceptance of you being a christian is if you can give me a testimony of how you gave your life to christ. It doesn't come by birth it comes by conviction with an experience that you can never forget.
I don't dispute the fact that you might backslide but it doesn't change the fact that you have accepted Christ once in your life and will still come back to christ.
But not that you never did .. haba.
See no matter what Fatoyinbo does, bad I see it as maybe he backslided but not that he is not a christian because he has a testimony of how he gave his life to christ. So it is left for him to hold on to the faith but he is in the body of christ.
But Tb joshua doesn't have a testimony

desiredhome:

Is that how Church is supposed to be?

The church of God is not a satanic cult where if you leave, your life is not "safe" again because you will be attacked for leaving. Liberty is synonymous to the Spirit of God..not bondage.

Everything about the kingdom of God functions on your will..giving..prayer..holiness etc. That's why it's stated "only if ye be willing..."
We as Christians are expected to use our will to align with his will as stated in the Bible.

It is not by force to do anything for anything.
As a matter of truth..Its stated in the Bible that what you do by force has no reward.

tosyne2much:
What is not biblical? And this brings us to the lame question "who ordained him?"

I never knew it has become a must for a man to undergo another man's apprenticeship before he can lead the people

You all who keep saying he's fake; shebi he was a miracle performer why can't he wake himself? Now ask yourself, how is he fake? Is your own pastor original? How do you know and how sure are you? What makes you believe your pastor is so real and you feel T. B Joshua is so fake?

See ehn! Before you make weighty allegations of these sort against anybody, try to show more conclusive evidence than accusations made out of hearsay, hatred and gross ignorance

This is not about who ordained him, but it's about how good he got saved, abi you read from ur own scripture that person dey get saved for inside person mama womb for inside ur own bible. Who baptized him, I guess he got baptized from his mother's womb as well..

rainluv:


Even Jesus taught us about love
"How do say you love me that you have never seen but hate your neighbor that you see"
"Pray for your enemies and even for those who don't love you"

A word of prayer to the evil man by the self-acclaimed saints will be fulfilling the scripture
Or a word of condolence to his wife and kids will be comforting
"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted"

the question is did they send a condolence letter to Ajumobi, to past head of states that died? Are they not popular? Why was there not all this fuzz? So why should they send to TB joshua who most don't count him as a christian?

No honor among thieves.

Pastorprenual fraudsters.

youngpresidooo:
oga I never insuinated what u wrote.
All I say is that his story of being a christian or how he said he is a christian is not biblical.
And if we should go by bible, Tb joshua was never a christian

do you know christianity started from peter.

youngpresidooo:
the question is did they send a condolence letter to Ajumobi, to past head of states that died? Are they not popular? Why was there not all this fuzz? So why should they send to TB joshua who most don't count him as a christian?

But Tbj sent his condolence
Respect is reciprocal!

Fiscus105:



but those members you are forcing to part with their money "unwillingly" are complaining "painfully"

Heyzeezee:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/dailypost.ng/2021/07/11/tb-joshua-pastor-adeboye-oyedepo-kumuyi-caused-hatred-envy-among-church-leaders-primate-ayodele/%3futm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&amp=1

It's like make i know one guy for area wey i dey see most times but we no dey greet or talk..so because him die, i no go em burial don turn wahala? Common sense is not Common.