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GoodFaith:
Eggzatli Meaning ?

Exactly.

bobkezel:
This is Nigeria.

"This is Nigeria." meaning ?
If you are dealing with tenants all over the world they are almost the same

bobkezel:
This is Nigeria.

Of course, it is. There definitely must be a problem with every solution that works elsewhere.

For the records, the biodigester solution started in Ghana about a decade ago and has received heavy funding from the United Nations.

Let’s just stay with our conventional stuffs. This is Nigeria!

#ParalysisByAnalysis

n3xt:
Of course, it is. There definitely must be a problem with every solution that works elsewhere.

For the records, the biodigester solution started in Ghana about a decade ago and has received heavy funding from the United Nations.

Let’s just stay with our conventional stuffs. This is Nigeria!

#ParalysisByAnalysis

The issue here is not about implementing the technology
The question are what are the advantage and disadvantages ?
Cost pf ownership
I can tell you good and bad stories about tenants in the develop country
You will find baby wipe in there
Tenants don't follow rule
Tenants will do stuff to just cost you money
There are lot of good tenants

michlins:
all of them are from China. My Igbo brothers just term it differently probably because of minor difference in price.


We all know that Germany isn't known for making doors and even if they do, expect their starting price to be above 500,000.

Are you sure Germany isn't known for making doors?? Probably not popular in Nigeria...Germany is very notable with doors and windows....posted this not so long ago...at least for Nordic and Scandinavia regions

n3xt:
Of course, it is. There definitely must be a problem with every solution that works elsewhere.

For the records, the biodigester solution started in Ghana about a decade ago and has received heavy funding from the United Nations.

Let’s just stay with our conventional stuffs. This is Nigeria!

#ParalysisByAnalysis

Very simple, no stress.
Feel free, install it in ur build with tenants.

GoodFaith:
The issue here is not about implementing the technology
The question are what are the advantage and disadvantages ?
Cost pf ownership
I can tell you good and bad stories about tenants in the develop country
You will find baby wipe in there
Tenants don't follow rule
Tenants will do stuff to just cost you money
There are loft of good tenants

Let’s ask ourselves a simple question.

Which is easier to maintain?
Which is cheaper to maintain?
Which is quicker to install?
Which offers more for less?

If a tenant flush baby wipe in a traditional septic tank and biodigester, which is quicker to identify and fix?

Traditional septic you think?

Think of the cost of opening your chambers to locate the wipe and remove.

You don’t need that in a well installed biodigester. A 6 year old can do the necessary maintenance without worries.

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In the pic attached, I specifically requested for the system to be opened for me to see what inside.

It was done in seconds. No thrills or frills.

That’s why I said if you don’t know something, don’t condemn it.

GoodFaith:
"This is Nigeria." meaning ?
If you are dealing with tenants all over the world they are almost the same

Be calming down, that's not for you

n3xt:
Let’s ask ourselves a simple question.

Which is easier to maintain?
Which is cheaper to maintain?
Which is quicker to install?
Which offers more for less?

If a tenant flush baby wipe in a traditional septic tank and biodigester, which is quicker to identify and fix?

Traditional septic you think?

Think of the cost of opening your chambers to locate the wipe and remove.

You don’t need that in a well installed biodigester. A 6 year old can do the necessary maintenance without worries.

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In the pic attached, I specifically requested for the system to be opened for me to see what inside.

It was done in seconds. No thrills or frills.

That’s why I said if you don’t know something, don’t condemn it.

The main concern is not the flush of condom or diapers inside the toilet, but the fact that you can't wash your toilet with bleach and detergent.

bobkezel:
The main concern is not the flush of condom or diapers inside the toilet, but the fact that you can't wash your toilet with bleach and detergent.

Thank you, You get it

bobkezel:
The main concern is not the flush of condom or diapers inside the toilet, but the fact that you can't wash your toilet with bleach and detergent.

Once again, if the installation is right there's nothing to worry about.

Ghana is not like Nigeria where we "how" good solutions to death instead of "wow-ing" it to life.
They already worked a fix for the filtration system installed in the biodigester. The government supported the initiative.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QOwOhQLwIc

Of course, I don't expect us as a lazy country to do anything about it than to condemn the solution in its entirety since it's in our DNA that everything must be done for us like an underdeveloped country that we are.

... setting up a simple filtration system now a rocket science.

Even to read up and research more about the solution is a big problem for us.

n3xt:
Even to read up and research more about the solution is a big problem for us.

Are you having a bad day? You sound unusually cranky.

The questions asked above are quite innocent and I'm curious as well. No one is throwing brickbats. We're trying to learn.

n3xt:
Once again, if the installation is right there's nothing to worry about.

Ghana is not like Nigeria where we "how" good solutions to death instead of "wow-ing" it to life.
They already worked a fix for the filtration system installed in the biodigester. The government supported the initiative.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QOwOhQLwIc

Pls which brand can we use in Nigeria and where do I buy it?

n3xt:
Of course, I don't expect us as a lazy country to do anything about it than to condemn the solution in its entirety since it's in our DNA that everything must be done for us like an underdeveloped country that we are.

... setting up a simple filtration system now a rocket science.

Pls can you guide us how to set up a simple filtration system.

jabolo:
Are you having a bad day? You sound unusually cranky.

The questions asked above are quite innocent and I'm curious as well. No one is throwing brickbats. We're trying to learn.

Learning is what the adults will do for a living in the 21st century.

On this particular subject, I don't know more than you. I just pick up my phone and do further research on the topic to update my limited knowledge.

If all of us can't do that, I think learning should start from understanding how to research products and solutions.

GoodFaith:
Do you think your tenants will follow the rule?
You will find out the hard way
You will find wipes in there
Do you know tenants?
Always remember this words "ease of management" anything relating to tenant or public use
You don't need the headache

I’m learning.

bobkezel:
Pls can you guide us how to set up a simple filtration system.

Search for the bolded part in Google.com and give yourself some time to learn.

n3xt:
I guess you're speaking for you. Well, there's no credible source to back up your claim so I'd take it as a beer parlour gist.

Please take good time to read up what credible research organizations (worldwide) have to say about biodigester and biogas solution and stop....


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You're talking ordinary 4-6 flats where a church that has over 1,000 members is using the solution. I don't know if the 4 flats you talk about has more occupants that the number of customers visiting GTBank Chevron, Lagos.

Not knowing is not a problem. Not knowing that you don't know is the actual issue here.

In Nigeria, there's always a problem for every solution. ~ Brabus

This is one of it!

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Read up from credible source:

The Power of Dung Lessons Learned from On Farm Biodigester
https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/468451557843529960/pdf/The-Power-of-Dung-Lessons-Learned-from-On-Farm-Biodigester-Programs-in-Africa.pdf

Bio-toilets - Sustainable Solution to India’s Sanitation Challenge
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/partnership/?p=2618

Reinvent the Toilet Fair India 2014 (varieties of alternative solutions)
https://docs.gatesfoundation.org/documents/Reinvent%20the%20Toilet%20Fair%20India%202014%20Technical%20Guide.pdf

You are easily carried away you this boy.

Comparing your local GTBank and your Church Branch with a 6 flat set-up is positing from a position of arrant ignorance. It is comparing apples and oranges really relative to the discussion. A 6 flat structure will use more water and put more pressure on a Bio Digester than your local bank branch. How?

100% of people at your local bank don't do their laundry at the bank.
100% of people at your local bank don't do their dishes at your local bank branch
100% of customers at your bank don't have their bath and jacuzzi soak at your bank
99.9% of customers at your bank don't use the bank toilet for number 2 or even number 1.

So your GTbank for this specific situation can operate Bio Digester because of the very limited use of the WC. For this situation, Bio Digester may work effortlessly. With regards to your church, they may have a gutter to channel the water to or enough acreage to bury wastewater.

However, for a 6 flat structure with the limited size of the digestion chamber, the chamber will be overwhelmed if a contraption containing 30 people (in a 6 flat as someone said earlier) all decide to have their bath, do their dishes, do their laundry on a given day (say Saturday morning). The chamber is not big enough to contain such an inflow of 2000 ltrs of wastewater a day. The Biodigester will fail. This is basic science.

So if there are no public drains (gutter) at the site as I earlier said, the conventional Bio Digester will not do for a big commercial household contraption. The Bio Digester contractor needs to implement the "Extreme Bio Digester" option to channel wastewater into. (see photo attached).

Now the question is: will extreme Bio Digester work? It depends. Extreme Bio Digester means just burying the wastewater underground and using rocks to prevent collapse and then cover the rocks with sand. So if you have a tight space, this will pose a problem as the convention is to keep water away from your foundation. Extreme Bio Digester so close to the structure (foundation) can lead to subsidence and cracks and even collapse.

n3xt:


Learning is what adults will do for a living in the 21st century.

On this particular subject, I don't know more than you. I just pick up my phone and do further research on the topic to update my limited knowledge.

If all of us can't do that, I think learning should start from understanding how to research products and solutions.

I thought the purpose of this forum is to learn ... from others. It's redundant to chastise people from asking valid questions here, or to ask them to go check elsewhere. In my opinion.

While this is not necessarily their only source of learning, the most effective source is a group with a shared interest (properties) and shared purpose (how to do properties best).

Good day.

dongc:
Are you sure Germany isn't known for making doors?? Probably not popular in Nigeria...Germany is very notable with doors and windows....posted this not so long ago...at least for Nordic and Scandinavia regions

speak for Nigeria side

jabolo:
I thought the purpose of this forum is to learn ... from others. It's redundant to chastise people from asking valid questions here, or to ask them to go check elsewhere. In my opinion.

While this is not necessarily their only source of learning, the most effective source is a group with a shared interest (properties) and shared purpose (how to do properties best).

Good day.

Once again, I don't know more than anyone else on this particular subject.

You should know I won't waste time to show you everything in details if I had it installed in my personal builds.

In this regards, asking them to do some further research on the subject is the best I could offer at this time.

n3xt:
Search for the bolded part in Google.com and give yourself some time to learn.

I thought you would direct me to Ghana.

Nigerians

Big time characters

diordaves:
You are easily carried away you this boy.

Comparing your local GTBank and your Church Branch with a 6 flat set-up is positing from a position of arrant ignorance. It is comparing apples and oranges really relative to the discussion. A 6 flat structure will use more water and put more pressure on a Bio Digester than your local bank branch. How?

100% of people at your local bank don't do their laundry at the bank.
100% of people at your local bank don't do their dishes at your local bank branch
100% of customers at your bank don't have their bath and jacuzzi soak at your bank
99.9% of customers at your bank don't use the bank toilet for number 2 or even number 1.

So your GTbank for this specific situation can operate Bio Digester because of the very limited use of the WC. For this situation, Bio Digester may work effortlessly. With regards to your church, they may have a gutter to channel the water to or enough acreage to bury wastewater.

However, for a 6 flat structure with the limited size of the digestion chamber, the chamber will be overwhelmed if a contraption containing 30 people (in a 6 flat as someone said earlier) all decide to have their bath, do their dishes, do their laundry on a given day (say Saturday morning). The chamber is not big enough to contain such an inflow of 2000 ltrs of wastewater a day. The Biodigester will fail. This is basic science.

So if there are no public drains (gutter) at the site as I earlier said, the conventional Bio Digester will not do for a big commercial household contraption. The Bio Digester contractor needs to implement the "Extreme Bio Digester" option to channel wastewater into. (see photo attached).

Now the question is: will extreme Bio Digester work? It depends. Extreme Bio Digester means just burying the wastewater underground and using rocks to prevent collapse and then cover the rocks with sand. So if you have a tight space, this will pose a problem as the convention is to keep water away from your foundation. Extreme Bio Digester so close to the structure (foundation) can lead to subsidence and cracks and even collapse.

You can build 3 or even 6 to serve each flat. (3 won't take more space than the traditional soakaway I want to believe).

You can channel the waste water from the kitchen, bathroom and laundry to your drainage(s)

A Biodigester cant affect the foundation of your building because it's just 3 feet, so you can either build it on the surface or put it 3 feet down.

I intend setting one up in my current build.

bobkezel:
I thought you would direct me to Ghana.

No, Google will do

n3xt:
No, Google will do

What I don't understand is the lifespan put at 10 to 20 years, does it become obsolete or how does it work?

Maybe I should ask the engineer before I am directed to Google

diordaves:
You are easily carried away you this boy.

Comparing your local GTBank and your Church Branch with a 6 flat set-up is positing from a position of arrant ignorance. It is comparing apples and oranges really relative to the discussion. A 6 flat structure will use more water and put more pressure on a Bio Digester than your local bank branch. How?

100% of people at your local bank don't do their laundry at the bank.
100% of people at your local bank don't do their dishes at your local bank branch
100% of customers at your bank don't have their bath and jacuzzi soak at your bank
99.9% of customers at your bank don't use the bank toilet for number 2 or even number 1.

So your GTbank for this specific situation can operate Bio Digester because of the very limited use of the WC. For this situation, Bio Digester may work effortlessly. With regards to your church, they may have a gutter to channel the water to or enough acreage to bury wastewater.

However, for a 6 flat structure with the limited size of the digestion chamber, the chamber will be overwhelmed if a contraption containing 30 people (in a 6 flat as someone said earlier) all decide to have their bath, do their dishes, do their laundry on a given day (say Saturday morning). The chamber is not big enough to contain such an inflow of 2000 ltrs of wastewater a day. The Biodigester will fail. This is basic science.

So if there are no public drains (gutter) at the site as I earlier said, the conventional Bio Digester will not do for a big commercial household contraption. The Bio Digester contractor needs to implement the "Extreme Bio Digester" option to channel wastewater into. (see photo attached).

Now the question is: will extreme Bio Digester work? It depends. Extreme Bio Digester means just burying the wastewater underground and using rocks to prevent collapse and then cover the rocks with sand. So if you have a tight space, this will pose a problem as the convention is to keep water away from your foundation. Extreme Bio Digester so close to the structure (foundation) can lead to subsidence and cracks and even collapse.

If this was written by my 10yo, I knew exactly what to do. I’d hand him one of my home improvement books to read until he understand basic plumbing and water system in the house.

As for 2000 liters, 30 people illustration. It’s nothing compared to me who haven’t had to do any evacuation in my house in the last 1 decade.

Guess what I have... 2 families with 10 people and a crèche with about 20 kids that will poo and require cleanup on a daily basis.

I’m not bothered because the system is in place to take care of the waste waters for as long as the earth exists
Now this one I can flood here with pictures of how I did it.

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On a flip side, what do you think is the essence of a soakaway in a septic tank system?

somehow:
What I don't understand is the lifespan put at 10 to 20 years, does it become obsolete or how does it work?

Maybe I should ask the engineer before I am directed to Google

Baba, my traditional septic tank has not been evacuated in 10 years. It’s your design that matters and not the size of your system.

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n3xt:
Baba, my traditional septic tank has not been evacuated in 10 years. It’s your design that matters and not the size of your system.

I am talking about that of Biodigester.