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Salatavor:
We go to great length to prove our enemies are alive and kicking because we do not want them to come and kick us in the face while those that are supposed to protect us live in the delusion that they are dead. Happy Sallah to all those that are not deceiving themselves here.

An enemy that can now shoot down jet fighters is what you are saying they are proving that they are kicking, they are not just kicking any more they are now shooting down jets. And you just bought 12 low flying turboprop farm planes with the hope that they will do the job that Alpha jet engines cannot do.

willybaby:
Anyone who calls the Tucano farm planes with so much self confidence if possible needs to be kicked off this thread..

Odunayaw:
Sorry for your loss bro. There's nothing you've said here that is news to me. I have mourned two of my friends on this same thread...in fact it was much more traumatic for me because I found about their demise on nairaland!

However when you look at it again (not forgetting the ills in our Army), we know who our enemies is! All our friends and families didn't die in good old age. Our enemies killed them. I don't know about you but I'd keep celebrating our gains over our enemies. That's paramount. Shouldn't it?

bidexiii:
Badly and the UAV.
Honestly I wish we could acquire more UAVs honestly. These banditry issue is getting out of hand, we need more eyes in the sky.
Soldiers and other security personnel can't be everywhere.

Redemption1:
NA is ofe,I can't advice anyone to join the army, the corruption there is too much, their welfare is rubbish

komekn:
How many moons ago did I raise this issue, not with assumptive sentiment based preference but substantively. Using "Best value" and best use of resources for the greatest impact and efficacy .

I got dogs abuse and a barrage of vitriolic rhetoric sent my way, with you mostly on the side of negativity.

Nigeria is facing an existent crisis and somebody is spending $600 million to acquire A-29 Super Tucano and add ons, for an aircraft that has taken 5 years or thereabouts for the 2/3 few to arrive. That incomprehensibly SHOCKING.

I also talked about the possibility of them being susceptible to rudimentary AA Fire from the plethora of enemy technical on the ground. Do not forget this is an aircraft that is supposed to be for CAS - close Air Support. The noise from the Tucano makes its presence well know before it even arrives on the battle scene it is much slower than an Alpha jet , so how safe is it for pilots, time will tell.

The USAF and NATO do not use any of these turbo prop aircraft beyond the experimental, I wonder why

I over flogged the comparison of the Wing Loong 2 UAV's nonetheless Pakistan has just bought 48 estimated cost plus munitions and technology transfer $65 million.

If 48 Wing Loong 2 UAV's were deployed in the North of Nigeria it would literally change the entire course of this war and reduce our casualties tremendously and with ground support almost end Boko Haram.

komekn:
How many moons ago did I raise this issue, not with assumptive sentiment based preference but substantively. Using "Best value" and best use of resources for the greatest impact and efficacy .

I got dogs abuse and a barrage of vitriolic rhetoric sent my way, with you mostly on the side of negativity.

Nigeria is facing an existent crisis and somebody is spending $600 million to acquire A-29 Super Tucano and add ons, for an aircraft that has taken 5 years or thereabouts for the 2/3 few to arrive. That incomprehensibly SHOCKING.

I also talked about the possibility of them being susceptible to rudimentary AA Fire from the plethora of enemy technical on the ground. Do not forget this is an aircraft that is supposed to be for CAS - close Air Support. The noise from the Tucano makes its presence well know before it even arrives on the battle scene it is much slower than an Alpha jet , so how safe is it for pilots, time will tell.

The USAF and NATO do not use any of these turbo prop aircraft beyond the experimental, I wonder why

I over flogged the comparison of the Wing Loong 2 UAV's nonetheless Pakistan has just bought 48 estimated cost plus munitions and technology transfer $65 million.

If 48 Wing Loong 2 UAV's were deployed in the North of Nigeria it would literally change the entire course of this war and reduce our casualties tremendously and with ground support almost end Boko Haram.

Toju200:
I dunno who abused you but I don't want to argue this again...
Change topic pls

willybaby:
Anyone who calls the Tucano farm planes with so much self confidence if possible needs to be kicked off this thread..

Toju200:
I dunno who abused you but I don't want to argue this again...
Change topic pls

komekn:
It becomes relevant because after 5 years in the waiting we are finally going to get the first 3 or so A-29 Super Tucano AT LAST, if we believe the press they are FINALLY on the way.

And maybe we might just get the next 9 this decade hopefully.

Maybe bitter truth is very hard for you to swallow and you prefer sugar coated lies and disinformation, the choice is yours.

bidexiii:
Everyone knows we need more UAV, more eyes in the sky.
Spending $600m on the Tucanos is not a waste, we need them has well. That is where I totally disagree with you, from your point of view you're calling the acquisition of these birds waste of money. Which I totally disagree with you mate.
Let's assume we get those UAV, what are you going to use to prosecute the targets, his the the UAVs. We need the UAV and has well birds both fixed wing and the rotary wing.
For me I'll rather go for technology transfer either from Turkey, China or the Israelis. We are on our way to the right path.
We need more UAV and as well has more birds to replace our ageing fleets

komekn:
It becomes relevant because after 5 years in the waiting we are finally going to get the first 3 or so A-29 Super Tucano AT LAST, if we believe the press they are FINALLY on the way.

And maybe we might just get the next 9 this decade hopefully.

Maybe bitter truth is very hard for you to swallow and you prefer sugar coated lies and disinformation, the choice is yours.

bidexiii:
If there is any best air assets for CION; definitely it's going to be the A29 super tucano. Leave it or take, yes in time to come it's going to change the tide of the war against insurgency.
We are getting the first six camo batch, not 3 or so mate

SamuelAnyawu:
Multiple rocket Launcher rolling. Make I wear Canvas

Toju200:
first of all we're getting first 6 soon they've already left the US
The Reason for the delay was because the US were been remodified The US said so themselves.
And what "Bitter truth" are you talking about

Why is it paining you that we had to pay $400mil+ for Turbo prop planes.
We've even corrected you we didn't pay $600mil
And even the $400mil+ covers alot of things
Modifications of the original A29
Two spare engines each
Ammunitions
Remodification of ACTG to fit the A29
Training of 60+ NAF personnel

The A29 was specifically built for CTCOIN operation close air Support,Air Interdiction,ISR
The only disadvantage is speed plus it's speed it near the Aero L-39 if I'm not mistaking correct me here if I'm wrong

Despite the Fact it's turbo prop it's even more quiet than the alpha jet YES!
It can deliver it's payload at a safer distance and altitude accurately
It's ISR capability gives it an edge over most of the birds we have
Instead of the ATR42 or kingAir To Conduct ISR and call in strike assets (Waste of fuel and time also plus putting the lives of alpha jet pilots on the line) the A29 will Easily do both eliminating it's target with Guided munitions Time and Fuel been saved.
The wing loong two the other hand is a perfect platform I wasn't against it.
So NG get both is a win win EOD!!!

komekn:
With regards to the bold nobody corrected me and a few others, we even brought out a gazzeted congressional document that stated $593 million for the total package. There is accountability in the USA its not shrouded in secrecy but made public if you look.

On the cost factors, i did a substantive contribution on the cost of 5 minutes of rapid fire from its cannons , look that up and you will not call anything about this aircraft cheap beyond the fuel.

The rest is your opnion although its not based on "BEST VALUE"

Chidexter:
So my brother, critics are a necessity, it would make those at the upper echelons to be on their toes. The army dey try but u see so many bad individuals still dey there and na them dey stall this campaign.

komekn:
Lets talk substantively that means where possible to reference our view, deductions and strategy.

You have been here long enough, you have knowledge, either by participation and or association, I am similar but European biased.Your expectations shaped by your engagements i want to believe at Nigerian military bases and with multiple discourse with NCO's and senior officers alike.

My experience has historical inheritance as well association participation albeit it is European biased but i did a lot of hanging out with USA combatants at a plethora of bases across Europe but mainly Germany and Europe. My expectations are shaped by that environment primarily nonetheless i have association with Nigerian senior officers as well some who trained in the UK.

Having this in mind, in detail how would you spend $600 million in whatever way you want to bring an end to this war , reduce our unacceptable casualties and if not totally annihilate Boko but give ourselves over riding advantage to end this war ASAP.

komekn:
They may not be crop dusters.

But game changers in this war , ABSOLUTELY NOT, effective in a limited way yes .

However, considering the procurement cost and delivery time, as well as best value and best use of scarce resources as well as battle efficacy in the HEAR and NOW, an absolute WASTE OF MONEY.

That "WASTE OF MONEY" becomes more pronounced and substantiated when alternative platforms and other options are considered in the HEAR and NOW.

I wonder why the USAF and all NATO countries dont field this aircraft beyond the experimental, that should tell us something.

bidexiii:
I don't get your point
His $600m too much for the Tucanos or his it a waste
You can't win with UAV drones alone in any CION, even developed armies with there UAV technology and might, they still suffer heavy casualties.
Don't forget the Tucano is an ISR platform on itself. The $600m is what we need, not forgoing other assets like the UAV.
With the UAV base in Niger Republic, western and European forces are not changing anything in Mali, there forces have suffered heavy casualties and likewise the host countries. So please stop using historical inheritance from European or western power as your bases.

Odunayaw:
We're on the same page here. Nothing do you bro

bidexiii:
Hope say them no go spoil these sallah for you ?

SamuelAnyawu:
Do a Military AA Gunner carry a personal
AK47 too in his truck ?

Odunayaw:
Farm planes? I must apologize to myself for expecting any sense from you.

Now get off my mentions

Odunayaw:
Your opinion doesn't count for anything.
This is the fact of the matter. The tucanos as coming and are here! Terrorists will die! You're clutching at straws