Emilokoiyawon:


You are the biggest fool. Just because you marginalize them politically does not mean they are slaves. They know the hatred of Igbos knows no bounds that is why they are been wise not to stir up your wickedness.

There's no marginalisation. Oral folklore said they were fighters captured in the times of old, kept as war slaves and later blended into the society.... although with a population that can't form a Hamlet, they are just existing as modern slaves.

Tell me your Igbo name now.

ThickSharon123:


That's not true, the east had resources, dear. The palm oil trade was common those times, and it was high value, the rubber trade too, reddening clay creams (beauty products), pottery works, the rafia trade, most were from the east. Why do you think Igbo's are more accustomed to trade, and please don't tell me that nosense of Lebanese coming to take over Nigerian, and all that crap .

That said, the only reason the Bini had no dealings with the east, because it knew that one threat to its communities meant a threat to them all. So the Oba or Ogiso (whatever the title is) used diplomacy when coming forward to ask.

If it used war, then you'll see all Igbo people being United to fight against him. Like the Arochukwu war with the British and the rest. That's why the Oba was smart enough to stay on his side, and would only chip in, if there were wars in a community, like the Ekiti wars, and all.

It was all strategy at that time. And yes, our ancestors knew what was strategy, it wasn't gotten from Romans.

lol
This is actually funny because you don't know that Anambra and Agbor were colonies of the Benin. No kingdom in the whole of West West Africa come close to the old Benin kingdom. even Britain couldn't do anything to it on their own. You are talking about the only kingdom that stood firm even the scramble of west Africa by the Europeans lol. Igbo never had a powerful kingdom or empire

Emilokoiyawon:


Nonsense. You are telling me a whole Oba could not publicly be a video saying he is not Yoruba but he is bini. Nonsense. Crap. Video or forget it. This is the 21st century.

You are a kid, or just playing dumb if you don't understand what they call interview...how many important people go on live YouTube...they were on interviews on those papers. Am sure you know about Punch newspaper, and guardian...if you don't the rest of nairaland does.

First things first. If you take it I’m standing brief for the binis pls dont bother writing any further. I’m telling history as I understand it to be from extensive research. After all this kingdom we are talking about where is it today??

The bini history is hard to refute you know why. Its well elaborated in both the portuguese and british text by the colonials when they arrived. Read up what they had to say about the city and the people. A text had it they were the most developed. Their history is also well grounded. None of these areas had anything close to what binis had going on and in the power system of the time could never had rubbed off on their superiors. Culture like water travels from a high point (strong point) to a low point (weak point).

And this is also why the culture of our colonial masters rubbed off on us and not the other way round.

KingOdart:


It is true that things don't just happen but why don't you think what if it was the other way round? What if we were actually the one that influenced you to start eating that food? Same way we influenced you in other things?

DriveByKiller:
There's no marginalisation. Oral folklore said they were fighters captured in the times of old, kept as war slaves and later blended into the society.... although with a population that can't form a Hamlet, they are just existing as modern slaves.Tell me your Igbo name now.

Of course it is folklore. Aba made tales by moonlight. Now I understand why you story sounds ridiculous. Thank you.

zinodizt:
use your brain slavery was not limited to a particular tribe Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa had slaves amongst themselves. You don’t read you want to start another tribal tantrum seems I will start ignoring guys like you

Yorubas/igbos mostly participated in the atlantic slave trade. Hausas in the trans-saharan slave trade. Cant lie hausas were big slave traders.

Emilokoiyawon:


Of course it is folklore. Aba made tales by moonlight. Now I understand why you story sounds ridiculous. Thank you.

I henceforth dub you Okafor
Perhaps you prefer Okoro?

Chris525:

Haha! You should to insult me but you ridicule yourself. India is bigger than Germany, France, Israel, US, UK etc.

Binis were bloody warriors. They beheaded 3 or 4 whitemen and sent the others back to tell the story thats why the british came in all their might. They had fucking balls.

Did you know the notorious northern jihad got there from Kwara (if I’m not mistaken) and were defeated?? And thats the background story of how some part of it are moslems

My people read!

I'm talking about the head you are talking about the tail

You said a tribe should have one language and culture with no differences and I told you it depend on the size and who told you India don't have different cultures and languages?

Chris525:

Haha! Dreamer. Who did you conquer and took as slaves? What battles did you fight? Did you even have an established monarchial system? When the British came, while the Binis fought and stood firm, didn’t you bend over and took it all?

Or why do you think the catholic culture and priesthood is well rooted in igbos than anywhere else in the south even though they crossed several southern tribes to get to you. You couldn’t resist, after you heard of the fall of your masters - bini throne to the British, you bent over easily. You took it all.

Igbos are the only tribe in the whole of Nigeria to give Britian a fierce and longstanding resistance.


Take this to the British Parliament!

HEAVEN4444:
and to further continue the story, most of the benin kings relocated to yoruba land and eventually became yoruba. for example in ikorodu there are two kings, both yoruba but one of them has lineage that goes back to the benin empire and they re called the olisa family. and so these benin kings that enslaved the igbos are called yoruba today . my point here is that history is dynamic and people are not always who you think they are. half the yorubas you see in ijebu and ikorodu are actually benin people 500 years ago

u just said rubbish at the end. Unlike the rest of yorubas, ijebus were quiet in their things. The only people that has ever beaten us in war was the british. Which king in ijebu is edo

chrisxxx:

Me I want to start to attend.
Let me open your eyes to another part of Ikwerre history.
We had a lot of Arochukwu people in our midst but fled during the war. No all of them fled and those remaining we adopted them as part of us though we refer to them as Ikwerre Aro. They could found in Isiokpo and other part of Ikwerre land. The natives discriminate against them. The Ikwerre Aro offsprings readily identify themselves as Igbo people. Check the background of any Ikwerre person who attends your meeting. He is definitely an offspring of Ikwerre Aro.
Learn. Leave is alone. We are not you. We are no subgroup of any ethnic group. If you are looking for any minority to enslave or neocolonize we have passed through that before and wouldn't want a repeat.

Cut and join Story of the confused ikwerre igbos , not only arochukwu , Akwa, Ika , ngwa Edo ekpeye etc are mixed into the ikwerre , you guys will drag this ikwerre history back and forth till the ikwerre dialect dies a natural death , how many ikwerre dialect speakers are left now? Can you speak the ikwerre igbo dialect yourself? Maybe ikwerre needs to go back and learn the Edo bini language

distributeinc:
[s]You are a kid, or just playing dumb if you don't understand what they call interview...how many important people go on live YouTube...they were on interviews on those papers. Am sure you know about Punch newspaper, and guardian...if you don't the rest of nairaland does.[/s]

Guy forget it. Dem no born Oba lil Wayne well to commot video say him no be Yoruba but him be Bini. For this Lagos? Walahi we go drown am for lagoon. If he is really sure of himself, let him make a video for the whole world to see. Abi is he ashamed of bini ni? Getat!

membranus:


You are getting it wrong.

Bearing Yoruba and Benin names in Iboland means you were once their slaves but emancipated later, and not the other way round.

lol u mean the olukunmi people. They werent slaves. They migrated to modern day delta during the war times

DriveByKiller:
I henceforth dub you Okafor Perhaps you prefer Okoro?

Ikemefuna is much better. And your Yoruba name is Erunimi

I would want Reno Omokri to throw light on how the ijaws find their way and settled in the coastal waters of the binis in edo state.

For example, the ijaws are dragging ownership of gelegele riverine settlement or town with the indigenous binis.

The gelegele crisis came up with the development of the gelegele seaport or River port by the governor obaseki led administration in Edo state.

Today, the ijaws want indigenous status which the bini are against as the binis consider the ijaws living in ovia as settler or stranger.

The ijaws even went as far as crowning a traditional ruler for their people in a bini territory disregarding the legitimate ruler which is the oba of benin.

Infact, in the federal government gazette gelegele town is in ovia local government under the control of the binis in edo state.

It is on record that the binis won their land ownership case at the supreme court in 1980s

But the ijaws are still using back door manuvering to claim a coastal territory that largely does not belong to them.

Today, we have ijaws in ilaje in Ondo state, in Akwa Ibom state, in Rivers and Bayelsa state.

In Ondo state, the indigenous yoruba push the the ijaws settler aside and introduce yoruba state anthem which the ijaws protested against.

Emilokoiyawon:


Guy forget it. Dem no born Oba lil Wayne well to commot video say him no be Yoruba but him be Bini. For this Lagos? Walahi we go drown am for lagoon. If he is really sure of himself, let him make a video for the whole world to see. Abi is he ashamed of bini ni? Getat!

Prominent people don't go on YouTube kid, till tomorrow, Punch, Guardian interview people. The truth is truth, know your history, so you don't keep disgracing yourself in public. Little boy, or brain. Go play with your toys, I see you have been shamed that all of nairaland will see your lies and dumbness

People like us, are here to expose ignoramus like you.

In essence Reno is saying, Ibos should know their place as former slaves, and focus on their 5 states, not claiming anywhere else, every part of the South emanated from the great Benin Empire.

Chris525:

I thought you wanted to discuss as an intellectual. Now I see you’re a complete idiot. Get lost.

oponu i just schooled you the major reason why the stool in lagos island was reffered to as oba of lagos.
I'm sure you re part of the illiterate that think entire lagos was the capital of Nigeria back then

Emilokoiyawon:


Ikemefuna is much better. And your Yoruba name is Erunimi

call me Ola

Chris525:


Leave the Yoruba & focus on this one - Itsekiri. This is what the Britannaca had to say about the Itsekiri:

“The Itsekiri live on the coast in an area of extensive mangrove swamps and freshwater wetlands. ... Myths of origin establish that Ginuwa, the Itsekiri founder and first olu (king), was originally a prince of Benin, so that subsequent kings are descendants of the oba of Benin.”

If you please and wish to discuss, create a separate thread on the relationship between Edos & Yoruba. I’ll meet you there!

itserikis technically are yorubas. In traditional Itsekiri religion, Oritse is the supreme deity and creator of the world. Among the other deities are Umale Okun, god of the sea, and Ogun, god of iron and war.

chrisxxx:

This is where your types are getting it wrong. Ikwerre people are saying that Igbo is Ikwerre and not the other way.
Don't mind the size or your population.
We bear Eze as name. As a title it could be a borrowed one as one rulers bear Nye we Ali or Eli depending the part of Ikwerre you are.
See tell your kind the is difference between who speaks Igbo and Igboid language. Someone who speaks Igbo is an Igbo person. Someone who speaks Igboid is not necessary an Igbo person but may have got some relationship with Igbo people. ..

Ikwerre is an Igbo dialect and more intelligible and clear than even some dialects in the East. Can you tell us what makes Ikwerre igboid?
Ikwerre people and their perpetual identity crisis.

Chris525:

Read to understand and not to satisfy any Bias; the yorubas did not originate from Edo and no where here have I said that. but since you have brought it up let me make this clear; the Ooni of Ife is from Bini. Cry if you want

Cry? How I wish you can see how I'm laffing my heart out to your foolery tales you called bini history.


Edo
Bini
Ooni
Ife

All this words have both their meaning and origin in Yoruba language only but you are here to spew rubbish

Oranmiyan created Binin empire, even you king can acknowledge that

distributeinc:
[s]Prominent people don't go on YouTube kid, till tomorrow, Punch, Guardian interview people. The truth is truth, know your history, so you don't keep disgracing yourself in public. Little boy, or brain. Go play with your toys, I see you have been shamed that all of nairaland will see your lies and dumbness ;DPeople like us, are here to expose ignoramus like you. In essence Reno is saying, Ibos should know their place as former slaves, and focus on their 5 states, not claiming anywhere else, every part of the South emanated from the great Benin Empire, apart from some pockets of tribes, Nri, etc...[/s]

So you are saying Binis are cowards. They are afraid of publicly making a video and declaring their bininess. I knew it. Thank you

membranus:


You are getting it wrong.

Bearing Yoruba and Benin names in Iboland means you were once their slaves but emancipated later, and not the other way round.

Using this your logic means that those in Benin and itshekiri bearing Igbo names that Reno mentioned were once enslaved by Igbos but we're later emancipated.

Emilokoiyawon:


So you are saying Binis are cowards. They are afraid of publicly making a video and declaring their bininess. I knew it. Thank you

It's history, damn you are just a kid. Benin has no reason to still be occupiers, and we don't brag like ibo clowns, only people with inferior complex brag. Please kid don't respond to me again, your iq is too low, go play with your mama. No reason for the Oba of Lagos, Erelu Dosunmu and Sir Femi Okunnu to all lie at the same time. I have given you a lil lecture today, use the knowledge well.

UDUJ:


You are more daft for replying with insults. Only a slowpoke passes information with insults.

hahahaha ok sorry for the insults but how on earth will you post a link from Edo and expect them to put historical facts that those not suit their narratives. Let me educate you further on historical events. Bellow is a video documentary done by British also narrating the work of a German anthropologist who made some findings, now pay attention to the video and extra attention to the video from the clip 4:00mins where he stated clearly that the oral traditions from the Binins of that era told them that they learn their bronze casting skills from the people of Ile Ife. See when it comes to saying the truth in regards to past events the white are always honest that is why White Americans will tell the truth that America is a land of Immigrants. This video, was not done by the Yorubas neither did the Yorubas narrated that Binins learnt bronze casting from Ile Ife, it was actually narrated by the Binis theirselve the honest ones in those days not this one of this era trying to twist history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0st_aMjmA

Walkee:
ekiti was a colony of Benin just like Lagos and Ondo

ekiti was never a colony of benin. Ekiti was under the oyo empire. The lagos you talking about as a whole was never benins territory. Oyos controlled some parts, ijebus took over the sea ports and controlled other parts. Ondos case is a special one. Most sources ive seen dont mention it being under benin kingdom. Its more like ondo and benin were very close neighbours, some of them even intermarried with each other.

Chris525:
Even the Itsekiris were under the Bini. Reno is being smart by half for saying the Itsekiri and the Binis. It was actually the Binis.

The Bini empire was the only one in Nigeria the Portuguese and later the British referred to as ‘Great’ in all of their text. Its influence spanned into the south west to present day lagos, ondo & ekiti, beyond the river Niger up to the kalabari and even cross rivers.

Its was for the untainted loyalty of the king in calabar to the Bini throne that he choose to be banished there by the British.

You are a liar! The only people the British ever proclaimed "Great" are the Igbos!
In their words the described the Igbos as the "Great Igbo Race"

distributeinc:
[s]It's history, damn you are just a kid. Benin has no reason to still be occupiers, and we don't brag like ibo clowns, only people with inferior complex brag. Please kid don't respond to me again, your iq is too low, go play with your mama. No reason for the Oba of Lagos, Erelu Dosunmu and Sir Femi Okunnu to all lie at the same time. I have given you a lil lecture today, use the knowledge well.[/s]

Bini is a small village. Dem no born Oba lil Wayne, Dosunmu or Okunnu well make dem make video say any nonsense. If they are really true Binis let them come out on video publicly and say it. Dem no born dem well. Na me talk am!

Shokoloko:


There was no time the Igbos on Nairaland claimed to have conquered any place. Where di you get that lie from?

you Sabi read at all?

Chris525:

First things first. If you take it I’m standing brief for the binis pls dont bother writing any further. I’m telling history as I understand it to be from extensive research. After all this kingdom we are talking about where is it today??

The bini history is hard to refute you know why. Its well elaborated in both the portuguese and british text by the colonials when they arrived. Read up what they had to say about the city and the people. A text had it they were the most developed. Their history is also well grounded. None of these areas had anything close to what binis had going on and in the power system of the time could never had rubbed off on their superiors. Culture like water travels from a high point (strong point) to a low point (weak point).

And this is also why the culture of our colonial masters rubbed off on us and not the other way round.

Provide the historical text and evidence that stated that the Benin were the most developed at the time.

You are just pulling fallacious accounts and history from your ass.

How could Benin be the most developed when it was stated that they even learned bronze casting from Ile - Ife and Yoruba?

nonut:

Some of those who returned are the OSU we know today.
If you were once a slave and given a slave mark, you can never be a freeborn in those days, even if you return.
That's the reason why those people refused to return or identify with Igbos.
I don't blame them.

nawa o