Assalamu Alaikum brothers,

I'm asking this question because of the videos of an Islamic scholar, Sheikh Abduljabbar that I came across last week. He made some points about the hadiths being unreliable and even gave some proofs (which I extensively made a research on and found 90% to be true) and challenged northern scholars to prove him wrong or debate with him. So far, none of them has stepped forward to do so even though they have been condemning and cursing him. In fact, he was kicked out of Kano and barred from holding lectures.

If you still believe that all Sahih hadiths are authentic please give me your reasons. I am not here to argue with anyone but to learn. These are some of the things I find questionable about hadiths:

The collection process: Imam Buhari collected 500,000 narrations and found only 8,000 to be authentic. Looking at these numbers, it's very easy for the sound ones to be excluded and fake ones to be accepted.

Contradictions with the Qur'an: maybe it's my lack of understanding, but it looks to be violating some of the commandments of Allah. For example,

1)the Qur'an says there is no compulsion in religion while the Hadiths call for the killing of apostates.

2) The Quran specifies 100 lashes for Zina (with no distinction between adultery and fornication) while the Hadiths call for stoning to death.

3) The Quran justifies killing only on the grounds of murder or war while the hadiths do so on adultery, apostesy, homosexuality, blasphemy, and so one which are the main issues that the Kafirs use to condemn us.

4) The Qur'an encourages Muslims to refrain from approaching women (sexually) during their periods but the hadiths suggest so.

There are so many others that I noticed.


Contradictions within hadiths: you'll find "Sahih" hadith contradicting with "Sahih" from other scholars or even within the same collection. Take for example,

1)
- Hazrat Ibn Abbas said: Rasool (S) slept for a while – went to the Masjid and prayed (‘offered’ Namaaz) without Wudhu. (Bukhari, Kitabul Wudhu)

- The Sahaba of Rasool (S) used to ‘perform’ Namaaz without Wudhu after waking up from sleep. (Muslim with Fathil Mulhim pg 500)

2)

- Hazrat Usman said: If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)

- Bath becomes mandatory after penetration. (Muwatta pg 22)


3)


- Rasool (S) said, “Renew Wudhu after eating anything cooked on fire.” (Muslim vol 1 pg 486)

- BUT, Ibn Abbas says, “Rasoolullah ate a roasted goat shoulder and then prayed without ablution.” (Same vol 1 pg 488)

4)

- If someone passes in front of a praying person, stop him. If he doesn’t stop, kill him because he is Shayitaan. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 68)

- But: Abdullah Ibn Abbas said, “I rode a donkey to MINA. Rasoolullah (S) was leading the prayer. I passed before some praying ones and got off from the animal and joined the prayers. None objected. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 107)

Again, I came across many of such examples.


Lastly, the ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS HADITHS:

Many of them are absolutely insulting to our holy prophet Muhammad.

Some made narrations of him lying on his stomach while married women rubbed his back.

Some said he used to pee while standing.

Some talked about the sun traveling to prostrate before Allah everyday

Some said Moses sent prophet Muhammad back to Allah multiple times in order to have our salat reduced to 5

Some portrayed prophet Muhammad as a reckless killer

Some said pandemics can never reach Makkah and Madinah but Covid-19 proves otherwise.


Many of them are absolutely degrading to women. Some have grouped them with devils and animals.


Some condone rape and stealing (especially at times of war)



The list is just endless. If you have some logical explanations for these factors please do share with me. I have come to realize that most of the Islamic laws we have today lay much more emphasis on these hadiths rather than the Qur'an too.

NB: I don't completely disbelieve the hadiths. There are many beautiful ones that should be accepted even IF they didn't come from the prophet.

Sahih Ahadith are as reliable as the Qur'an cos they were all transmitted by the Companions of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam.

You will have to meet those scholars that understands to explain your doubts to you.

Once you have it in your mind that the Ahadith are doubtful then know that you'll soon disbelieve in the Qur'an too as Allah refers to the Ahadith by saying in many places "Obey Allah and His messenger" i.e. we obey Allah by following the Qur'an and we obey the Messenger by following his examples.

Allah says:
Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. (Qur'an 33:21)

The Ahadith are the records of his examples. So casting aspersions on them is also doing same on the Qur'an.

Sometimes the Qur'an gives the complete ruling and sometimes the hadith gives the complete ruling. At other times the ahadith explains the Qur'an and the Qur'an can also explain the ahadith. The Qur'an and Sunnah are what the Prophet left behind.

And there's no contradiction between an hadith and the Qur'an as the Prophet practice the Qur'an while alive.

AntiChristian:
Sahih Ahadith are as reliable as the Qur'an cos they were all transmitted by the Companions of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam.

You will have to meet those scholars that understands to explain your doubts to you.

Once you have it in your mind that the Ahadith are doubtful then know that you'll soon disbelieve in the Qur'an too as Allah refers to the Ahadith by saying in many places "Obey Allah and His messenger" i.e. we obey Allah by following the Qur'an and we obey the Messenger by following his examples.

Allah says:
Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. (Qur'an 33:21)

The Ahadith are the records of his examples. So casting aspersions on them is also doing same on the Qur'an.

Sometimes the Qur'an gives the complete ruling and sometimes the hadith gives the complete ruling. At other times the ahadith explains the Qur'an and the Qur'an can also explain the ahadith. The Qur'an and Sunnah are what the Prophet left behind.

And there's no contradiction between an hadith and the Qur'an as the Prophet practice the Qur'an while alive.

I'd like to point out something to you, Hadith isn't just the collections about the prophet, it's also collections about the followers.
Having said that, it's important for everyone to understand the Science of Hadith. Get the knowledge of Hadith.
Usulul Hadith most importantly.
I won't tell you whether all Sahih Hadiths are reliable or not, but I know only the Quran is infallible

Alhajiemeritus:

I'd like to point out something to you, Hadith isn't just the collections about the prophet, it's also collections about the followers.
Having said that, it's important for everyone to understand the Science of Hadith. Get the knowledge of Hadith.
Usulul Hadith most importantly.
I won't tell you whether all Sahih Hadiths are reliable or not, but I know only the Quran is infallible

Qu'ran is infallible! Are the people who preserved the Qu'ran not the same who preserved the ahadith?

And the followers of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam practised what they received from the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam to best of their ability.

So no need claiming Hadith is the collection about his followers.

Alhajiemeritus:

I'd like to point out something to you, Hadith isn't just the collections about the prophet, it's also collections about the followers.
Having said that, it's important for everyone to understand the Science of Hadith. Get the knowledge of Hadith.
Usulul Hadith most importantly.
I won't tell you whether all Sahih Hadiths are reliable or not, but I know only the Quran is infallible

Most of the hadiths I mentioned were actually attributed to the prophet but yes, I agree that the Qur'an is 100% accurate

AntiChristian:
Sahih Ahadith are as reliable as the Qur'an cos they were all transmitted by the Companions of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam.

You will have to meet those scholars that understands to explain your doubts to you.

Once you have it in your mind that the Ahadith are doubtful then know that you'll soon disbelieve in the Qur'an too as Allah refers to the Ahadith by saying in many places "Obey Allah and His messenger" i.e. we obey Allah by following the Qur'an and we obey the Messenger by following his examples.

Allah says:
Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. (Qur'an 33:21)

The Ahadith are the records of his examples. So casting aspersions on them is also doing same on the Qur'an.

Sometimes the Qur'an gives the complete ruling and sometimes the hadith gives the complete ruling. At other times the ahadith explains the Qur'an and the Qur'an can also explain the ahadith. The Qur'an and Sunnah are what the Prophet left behind.

And there's no contradiction between an hadith and the Qur'an as the Prophet practice the Qur'an while alive.

First of all, you are completely wrong for even saying that the Hadith (with all its glaring faults that I've mentioned) are as reliable as the Quran. I mean, let's face it. Even the compilers threw away 90% of the hadiths so how can you even compare such with the Qur'an?

I think your comment is the exact problem I have with the hadiths. First of all, how do you equate disbeliving parts of the hadiths with disbelieving the words of Allah even when there are strong evidences that many of them are false?


Kindly explain the differences between these hadiths for me (for starters)

Is Ghusl (bath) mandatory after intercourse?
- Hazrat Usman said: If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)

Rasool (S) said: When a man sits between the woman’s legs and pushes hard, Ghusl (bath) becomes mandatory with or without ejaculation. (Muslim vol 1 Bab-il-Wudhu pg 485)


This is just an example of so many others. Don't ever equate Hadiths with the Qur'an. Salami Alaikum

Crayfish09:



First of all, you are completely wrong for even saying that the Hadith (with all its glaring faults that I've mentioned) are as reliable as the Quran. I mean, let's face it. Even the compilers threw away 90% of the hadiths so how can you even compare such with the Qur'an?

I think your comment is the exact problem I have with the hadiths. First of all, how do you equate disbeliving parts of the hadiths with disbelieving the words of Allah even when there are strong evidences that many of them are false?


Kindly explain the differences between these hadiths for me (for starters)

Is Ghusl (bath) mandatory after intercourse?
- Hazrat Usman said: If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)

Rasool (S) said: When a man sits between the woman’s legs and pushes hard, Ghusl (bath) becomes mandatory with or without ejaculation. (Muslim vol 1 Bab-il-Wudhu pg 485)


This is just an example of so many others. Don't ever equate Hadiths with the Qur'an. Salami Alaikum

Hadiths were written by Muhammed’s close companions, those that walked, ate and spoke with him. You that was born yesterday want to disapprove the first hand account of the followers of the prophet

falopey:


Hadiths were written by Muhammed’s close companions, those that walked, ate and spoke with him. You that was born yesterday want to disapprove the first hand account of the followers of the prophet

No, they weren't. They were written by those who heard some people that heard from a scholar who heard from a scholar that claimed that the companions of the prophet said that the prophet said something.


That's how Hadiths are. I can also use the same logic to tell you that all of those 500,000 hadiths that were rejected by Imam Bukhari were also denying the claims of the companions of our prophet.

Even in court, Hadith will be rejected because they are not direct sayings of the sahaba. Mind you, there are still some that are authentic but any Hadiths that goes against what the Quran has clearly specified (freedom of religion, 100 lashes for both adultery and furnucation, etc) and those that contradict one another will always be discarded by those who are objective

falopey:


Hadiths were written by Muhammed’s close companions, those that walked, ate and spoke with him. You that was born yesterday want to disapprove the first hand account of the followers of the prophet

Hadith was not written by the Prophet's close companion, this is false.
Muslims need to seek knowledge about Islam.

Crayfish09:



First of all, you are completely wrong for even saying that the Hadith (with all its glaring faults that I've mentioned) are as reliable as the Quran. I mean, let's face it. Even the compilers threw away 90% of the hadiths so how can you even compare such with the Qur'an?

I think I categorically mentioned "Sahih hadith" and not just Hadith/Ahadith! You need to read more in between the lines. Sahih means authentic. Whatever is thrown away is not Sahih.

I think your comment is the exact problem I have with the hadiths. First of all, how do you equate disbeliving parts of the hadiths with disbelieving the words of Allah even when there are strong evidences that many of them are false?

How many of the authentic ones have you worked on? I think you should answer what the Qur'an meant by saying "obey Allah and His messenger" several times?

Kindly explain the differences between these hadiths for me (for starters)

Is Ghusl (bath) mandatory after intercourse?
- Hazrat Usman said: If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)

Rasool (S) said: When a man sits between the woman’s legs and pushes hard, Ghusl (bath) becomes mandatory with or without ejaculation. (Muslim vol 1 Bab-il-Wudhu pg 485)

This is just an example of so many others. Don't ever equate Hadiths with the Qur'an. Salami Alaikum

I have told you to move closer to Scholars who can explain the ahadith to you in details.

I will give you a similitude in the Qur'an with three verses about intoxicants (Wine, etc.) , the first two permits it while the last one forbids it. Is there any contradiction in them?

They ask you about wine (khamr) and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."
Qur'an 2:219

"O you who acknowledge, Do not go near prayer, (Salat) while you are stupified (under influence), until you know what you are saying"
Qur'an 4:43

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants (khamr), gambling, [sacrificing on] stone altars [to other than God], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.
Qur'an 5:90

Sometimes, a verse is explained by another verse while at other times a verse may abrogate another verse! This happens many times in the Qur'an and hadith. You need to search for the knowledge.

AntiChristian:


I think I categorically mentioned "Sahih hadith" and not just Hadith/Ahadith! You need to read more in between the lines. Sahih means authentic. Whatever is thrown away is not Sahih.

How many of the authentic ones have you worked on? I think you should answer what the Qur'an meant by saying "obey Allah and His messenger" several times?




I have told you to move closer to Scholars who can explain the ahadith to you in details.

I will give you a similitude in the Qur'an with three verses about intoxicants (Wine, etc.) , the first two permits it while the last one forbids it. Is there any contradiction in them?

They ask you about wine (khamr) and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."
Qur'an 2:219

"O you who acknowledge, Do not go near prayer, (Salat) while you are stupified (under influence), until you know what you are saying"
Qur'an 4:43

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants (khamr), gambling, [sacrificing on] stone altars [to other than God], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.
Qur'an 5:90

Sometimes, a verse is explained by another verse while at other times a verse may abrogate another verse! This happens many times in the Qur'an and hadith. You need to search for the knowledge.

When I say Hadith, I'm referring to Sahih hadiths and yes, to even compare "Sahih" Hadiths with the Qur'an is an abomination because we are still talking about words ATRIBUTED to those who claimed to have heard the Sahaba saying something about what the prophet said.


I also clearly said that I do not reject the Hadiths but those that contradict/undermine the Qur'an.

Let's analyze this explanation of yours now.

In the first 2 verses, Allah says that the cost outweighs the benefit and that we should refrain from doing it before Salat. We can say the same about other sins of the world. For example, stealing has the benefit of worldly gains but it's bad. HOWEVER, THE VERSE DOES NOT IN ANY WAY TELL US TO DRINK unlike in the case of the Hadiths where one says IT'S FINE to do something and another says it's not.


I have many other ridiculous ones too. I know those that claimed pandemics can never enter Makkah and Madina but thanks to Corona, they have been proven to be false. There are also those that said the sun prostrate before Allah even though the Qur'an said a different thing. I know those that depicted Moses (AS) as the superior of prophet Muhammad and even suggested that he knows better than Allah (when the so-called 50 daily prayers were reduced to 5)

These so-called Sahih Hadiths are no Sahihs. I wasn't so sure as at when I created this thread but now, I'm fully convinced.

Crayfish09:


When I say Hadith, I'm referring to Sahih hadiths and yes, to even compare "Sahih" Hadiths with the Qur'an is an abomination because we are still talking about words ATRIBUTED to those who claimed to have heard the Sahaba saying something about what the prophet said.

I also clearly said that I do not reject the Hadiths but those that contradict/undermine the Qur'an.

No hadith contradicts the Qur'an except what your brain can't resolve as I said before.

I asked How many of the authentic ones have you worked on? I think you should answer what the Qur'an meant by saying "obey Allah and His messenger" several times?

Let's analyze this explanation of yours now.

In the first 2 verses, Allah says that the cost outweighs the benefit and that we should refrain from doing it before Salat. We can say the same about other sins of the world. For example, stealing has the benefit of worldly gains but it's bad. HOWEVER, THE VERSE DOES NOT IN ANY WAY TELL US TO DRINK unlike in the case of the Hadiths where one says IT'S FINE to do something and another says it's not.

This is falsehood and illogical. A good historian of the Islamic narrations will know that the two verses didn't forbid alcohol till the last verse was revealed.

If you quote each of the first two only to an ignorant Muslim, he will of course be encouraged to drink it after Salah!
It was when the third verse was revealed that the Muslim poured all the alcohol away!

I have many other ridiculous ones too. I know those that claimed pandemics can never enter Makkah and Madina but thanks to Corona, they have been proven to be false. There are also those that said the sun prostrate before Allah even though the Qur'an said a different thing. I know those that depicted Moses (AS) as the superior of prophet Muhammad and even suggested that he knows better than Allah (when the so-called 50 daily prayers were reduced to 5)

These so-called Sahih Hadiths are no Sahihs. I wasn't so sure as at when I created this thread but now, I'm fully convinced.

I'm amazed that these doubts exist in a mind! Things that are clear among the knowledgeable ones!
You really need to learn and unlearn! Even the Qur'an you profess to understand you don't understand any of it.
May Allah grant us knowledge!

AntiChristian:


No hadith contradicts the Qur'an except what your brain can't resolve as I said before.

I asked How many of the authentic ones have you worked on? I think you should answer what the Qur'an meant by saying "obey Allah and His messenger" several times?

Let's analyze this explanation of yours now.


This is falsehood and illogical. A good historian of the Islamic narrations will know that the two verses didn't forbid alcohol till the last verse was revealed.

If you quote each of the first two only to an ignorant Muslim, he will of course be encouraged to drink it after Salah!
It was when the third verse was revealed that the Muslim poured all the alcohol away!



I'm amazed that these doubts exist in a mind! Things that are clear among the knowledgeable ones!
You really need to learn and unlearn! Even the Qur'an you profess to understand you don't understand any of it.
May Allah grant us knowledge!

I have an unlimited number of examples. Here's another one:

(2:222) They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is a vulnerable condition, so let women alone at such times and go not unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you.

And here's what "Sahih" Bukhari says

Bukhari (Ref: 1.299) Narrated Abdur Rahman bin Al-Aswad:

Aisha said: “Whenever Allah’s Messenger wanted to handle anyone during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an izar and start handling her.” Aisha added “None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet.”

Unless you have another meaning for "let alone", there is a clear contradiction here regardless of the use of Izar.


I have worked on countless hadiths but to save my time, I will give you a website where others like myself made a research on this issue.


On those verses, it's clear that they were not CONDONED but in the Hadiths, one clearly said Janabah is unnecessary while the other one said it is. Here's another example:

Rasool (S) said, “Renew Wudhu after eating anything cooked on fire.” (Muslim vol 1 pg 486)

BUT

Ibn Abbas says, “Rasoolullah ate a roasted goat shoulder and then prayed without ablution.” (Same vol 1 pg 488)



And what do you have to say about these Hadiths (some of which are categorized under Sahih)

If someone passes in front of a praying person, stop him. If he doesn’t stop, kill him because he is Shayitaan. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 68)


Rasoolullah said, “The prayer is broken if a woman, a donkey or a dog come in front.” (Muslim vol 2 pg 111) VS Abdullah Ibn Abbas said, “I rode a she-ass to MINA. Rasoolullah (S) was leading the prayer. I passed before some praying ones and got off from the animal and joined the prayers. None objected. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 107)

Rasoolullah never used to raise hands in prayers except when praying for rains. (Bukhari vol 1 page 125)

Rasoolullah used to offer prayers with shoes on. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 55)


Sahaba used to pray even when bleeding from an arrow. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 32, Ibn Majah, Muslim, Nisaai & many other sources) VS -Oozing of blood from anywhere in the body nullifies Wudhu and Salaat. (Same sources and Fuqaha)

Hazrat Anas states that Rasool (S) used to pray the briefest complete Namaaz. (Muslim vol 2 pg 86)
- The Rasool (S) used to scold people who led long prayers. (Two Ahadith, Muslim vol 2 ppg 84, 85)
- BUT, Hazrat Anas states that Rasool (S) stood still so long after bowing (rukoo’) that the watcher thought he forgot to proceed. The same used to happen after Sajdah (prostration). (Muslim vol 2 pg 87)
- Abu Saeed Khadri narrates: Rasoolullah’s prayer used to be so long that supposing the noon prayer has begun. A man walks to the graveyard of Baqee’, comes back home, makes ablution and goes to the Masjid. And he finds him still leading the first raka’at (unit). (Muslim vol 2 pg 48)


You should seek Allah's forgiveness for daring to compare the Qur'an with this book. "Sahih" Hadiths is good but it is extremely fallible. The fact that less than 5% of the total Hadiths during the time of Bukhari and other compilers were accepted alone is a big red flag. It means that even then, so many people tried to manipulate Islam and there's no way you can tell me that authentic Hadiths were not rejected and fake Hadiths were not accepted. Simple maths alone would tell you that.

Crayfish09:



I have an unlimited number of examples. Here's another one:

(2:222) They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is a vulnerable condition, so let women alone at such times and go not unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you.

And here's what "Sahih" Bukhari says

Bukhari (Ref: 1.299) Narrated Abdur Rahman bin Al-Aswad:

Aisha said: “Whenever Allah’s Messenger wanted to handle anyone during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an izar and start handling her.” Aisha added “None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet.”

Unless you have another meaning for "let alone", there is a clear contradiction here regardless of the use of Izar.


I have worked on countless hadiths but to save my time, I will give you a website where others like myself made a research on this issue.


On those verses, it's clear that they were not CONDONED but in the Hadiths, one clearly said Janabah is unnecessary while the other one said it is. Here's another example:

Rasool (S) said, “Renew Wudhu after eating anything cooked on fire.” (Muslim vol 1 pg 486)

BUT

Ibn Abbas says, “Rasoolullah ate a roasted goat shoulder and then prayed without ablution.” (Same vol 1 pg 488)



And what do you have to say about these Hadiths (some of which are categorized under Sahih)

If someone passes in front of a praying person, stop him. If he doesn’t stop, kill him because he is Shayitaan. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 68)


Rasoolullah said, “The prayer is broken if a woman, a donkey or a dog come in front.” (Muslim vol 2 pg 111) VS Abdullah Ibn Abbas said, “I rode a she-ass to MINA. Rasoolullah (S) was leading the prayer. I passed before some praying ones and got off from the animal and joined the prayers. None objected. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 107)

Rasoolullah never used to raise hands in prayers except when praying for rains. (Bukhari vol 1 page 125)

Rasoolullah used to offer prayers with shoes on. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 55)


Sahaba used to pray even when bleeding from an arrow. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 32, Ibn Majah, Muslim, Nisaai & many other sources) VS -Oozing of blood from anywhere in the body nullifies Wudhu and Salaat. (Same sources and Fuqaha)

Hazrat Anas states that Rasool (S) used to pray the briefest complete Namaaz. (Muslim vol 2 pg 86)
- The Rasool (S) used to scold people who led long prayers. (Two Ahadith, Muslim vol 2 ppg 84, 85)
- BUT, Hazrat Anas states that Rasool (S) stood still so long after bowing (rukoo’) that the watcher thought he forgot to proceed. The same used to happen after Sajdah (prostration). (Muslim vol 2 pg 87)
- Abu Saeed Khadri narrates: Rasoolullah’s prayer used to be so long that supposing the noon prayer has begun. A man walks to the graveyard of Baqee’, comes back home, makes ablution and goes to the Masjid. And he finds him still leading the first raka’at (unit). (Muslim vol 2 pg 48)


You should seek Allah's forgiveness for daring to compare the Qur'an with this book. "Sahih" Hadiths is good but it is extremely fallible. The fact that less than 5% of the total Hadiths during the time of Bukhari and other compilers were accepted alone is a big red flag. It means that even then, so many people tried to manipulate Islam and there's no way you can tell me that authentic Hadiths were not rejected and fake Hadiths were not accepted. Simple maths alone would tell you that.

Now I'm able to diagnose your ailment. This is the same ailment the honorable OON in SW suffer from.

We ask Allah to cure you from your doubts. It would only be completely foolish trying to continue discussion with someone adamant in ignorance who refused to learn and unlearn.

I had to stop reading your post when I saw the same mistake OON made in translation of "Qatala" as "qaatala".

The hadith uses the former which is to repulse the person from passing directly in front of the praying person. The latter which means "kill" was not used in the hadith. This is another orientalist lie by twisting the meaning of a text by adding a single Alif.

All these Ahadith are not contradictory in any way as i said before. One can touch one's wife during menses but copulation only is forbidden. The Izar is the lower garment used to cover the private parts.

I wonder why you guys have no insight!
We ask Allah to grant you insight as only Him is able to guide aright!

AntiChristian:


Now I'm able to diagnose your ailment. This is the same ailment the honorable OON in SW suffer from.

We ask Allah to cure you from your doubts. It would only be completely foolish trying to continue discussion with someone adamant in ignorance who refused to learn and unlearn.

I had to stop reading your post when I saw the same mistake OON made in translation of "Qatala" as "qaatala".

The hadith uses the former which is to repulse the person from passing directly in front of the praying person. The latter which means "kill" was not used in the hadith. This is another orientalist lie by twisting the meaning of a text by adding a single Alif.

All these Ahadith are not contradictory in any way as i said before. One can touch one's wife during menses but copulation only is forbidden. The Izar is the lower garment used to cover the private parts.

I wonder why you guys have no insight!
We ask Allah to grant you insight as only Him is able to guide aright!

As expected, you resorted to insults. The "sahih" Hadith, which many ignorant Muslims shamelessly equate with the Qur'an is very much not wholly accurate and that's that. May Allah continue to open the eyes of others and protect us from those who innovate and lie against our prophet, Amin.

Crayfish09:


As expected, you resorted to insults. The "sahih" Hadith, which many ignorant Muslims shamelessly equate with the Qur'an is very much not wholly accurate and that's that. May Allah continue to open the eyes of others and protect us from those who innovate and lie against our prophet, Amin.

Insults? Ignorance and not wanting to learn is an ailment. You kept refusing to answer questions here and you kept rejecting the answers given.

May Allah protect us from the Shaytan that has infected your skul.

When next you come online do answer the following questions completely and explicitly as you can without using any Sahih ahadith.

1. Show us the Five daily prayers by their names in the Qur'an. Then mention where it is stated that we pray Fajr reciting aloud, Zuhr silently....

2. Show us the mode of praying Salah explicitly from the Qur'an including all the recitations from start to finish. How many Rakah has each Salah? Each Nawaafil?

3. Show us the ruling on Taharah & Istinjah as related to Salah from the Qur'an.

4. Allah says there are 12 months in the Qur'an. Show us the 12 Islamic months from the Qur'an?

5. How do you know how much Zakah to pay from the Quran?

6. It says in the Quran to shorten the prayer when you travel. How long do you have to travel in order to be eligible to have this privilege? How short do you have to cut the prayer?

7. The Qur'an says to cut the hand of the thief. Does the word 'cut' in the verse mean to cut off or to cut in the sense of making a mark, or could it be metaphorical and mean cutting off the resources of the thief?

8. The prophecies of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came true from the hadith, thus proving that there are divine revelations sent down to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) other than the Quran. How do you explain this?

9. The Quran says that men can beat their wives. But we know according to the hadith that this is meant to be a light beating that inflicts a spiritual punishment and not a harmful physical punishment. What is to stop a man from misinterpreting the Quran and beating his wife severely?

10. The Qur'an says that we must obey Allah and the Messenger (Surah 3:31-32,132; Surah 4:13-14, 59, 61, 64, 69, 80; Surah 24:56). There are two separate commands here. One is to obey Allah and the other is to obey the Prophet. In order to obey someone, he would need to issue a command. So if we want to obey Allah we have to do so by reading the commands of Allah in the Quran and adhering to them. If we want to obey the Prophet then we have to do so by reading the commands of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the authentic hadith and adhere to them. Or is there another way?

11. It says in the Qu'ran (Surah 33:21) that we have the Messenger as a good example to follow. How would we know his example without the traditions to turn to?

12. We have different forms of reciting the Qur'an, which means that certain letters are taken away from the word or pronounced differently. Through authentic hadith, we know that these were accepted forms of reading approved by the Prophet (peace be upon him). But without hadith, how would we know this? Using the Qur'an alone, if I see that there are different forms of recitation then I would think that there is more than one Qur'an and I wouldn't know which one is correct.

13. In Surah 2:221, God forbids us to marry polytheist women. Yet in Surah 5:5, God says that we can marry the believing women and the chaste women from the People of the Book. This is a clear differentiation between believing women and People of the Book. You can't have a believing person today from the People of the Book who is not a Muslim. So if God were talking about the believing women from the People of the Book then He wouldn't have differentiated the "believing women" phrase from them. Furthermore, the believing people from the People of the Book were the ones who truly followed the teachings of Jesus and Moses, which are lost today. So by using the Quran alone, how do I know which verse was revealed first? Did Surah 2:221 come first and then God sent down Surah 5:5 making an exception or did God send down Surah 5:5 first and then send Surah 2:221 by completely prohibiting us from marrying the women from the People of the Book?

14. In Surah 24, verse 31 says "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof" What exactly is this part that "appears thereof"?

15. Allah says in the Qur'an (Surah 75:19) that the Qur'an will be recited. But then in the verse right after (verse 20) it is also said that the Qur'an will be explained. If the Qur'an is self-explanatory then the only thing that needs to be done is reciting it out. However, in verse 19 the function of reciting is done and then in the verse right after, the function of explaining is done. Clearly these are two different tasks, which mean that reading the Qur'an alone would not give you the full explanation required. It has to be explained through some other source. What is that other source?

AntiChristian:


Insults? Ignorance and not wanting to learn is an ailment. You kept refusing to answer questions here and you kept rejecting the answers given.

May Allah protect us from the Shaytan that has infected your skul.

When next you come online do answer the following questions completely and explicitly as you can without using any Sahih ahadith.

1. Show us the Five daily prayers by their names in the Qur'an. Then mention where it is stated that we pray Fajr reciting aloud, Zuhr silently....

2. Show us the mode of praying Salah explicitly from the Qur'an including all the recitations from start to finish. How many Rakah has each Salah? Each Nawaafil?

3. Show us the ruling on Taharah & Istinjah as related to Salah from the Qur'an.

4. Allah says there are 12 months in the Qur'an. Show us the 12 Islamic months from the Qur'an?

5. How do you know how much Zakah to pay from the Quran?

6. It says in the Quran to shorten the prayer when you travel. How long do you have to travel in order to be eligible to have this privilege? How short do you have to cut the prayer?

7. The Qur'an says to cut the hand of the thief. Does the word 'cut' in the verse mean to cut off or to cut in the sense of making a mark, or could it be metaphorical and mean cutting off the resources of the thief?

8. The prophecies of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came true from the hadith, thus proving that there are divine revelations sent down to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) other than the Quran. How do you explain this?

9. The Quran says that men can beat their wives. But we know according to the hadith that this is meant to be a light beating that inflicts a spiritual punishment and not a harmful physical punishment. What is to stop a man from misinterpreting the Quran and beating his wife severely?

10. The Qur'an says that we must obey Allah and the Messenger (Surah 3:31-32,132; Surah 4:13-14, 59, 61, 64, 69, 80; Surah 24:56). There are two separate commands here. One is to obey Allah and the other is to obey the Prophet. In order to obey someone, he would need to issue a command. So if we want to obey Allah we have to do so by reading the commands of Allah in the Quran and adhering to them. If we want to obey the Prophet then we have to do so by reading the commands of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the authentic hadith and adhere to them. Or is there another way?

11. It says in the Qu'ran (Surah 33:21) that we have the Messenger as a good example to follow. How would we know his example without the traditions to turn to?

12. We have different forms of reciting the Qur'an, which means that certain letters are taken away from the word or pronounced differently. Through authentic hadith, we know that these were accepted forms of reading approved by the Prophet (peace be upon him). But without hadith, how would we know this? Using the Qur'an alone, if I see that there are different forms of recitation then I would think that there is more than one Qur'an and I wouldn't know which one is correct.

13. In Surah 2:221, God forbids us to marry polytheist women. Yet in Surah 5:5, God says that we can marry the believing women and the chaste women from the People of the Book. This is a clear differentiation between believing women and People of the Book. You can't have a believing person today from the People of the Book who is not a Muslim. So if God were talking about the believing women from the People of the Book then He wouldn't have differentiated the "believing women" phrase from them. Furthermore, the believing people from the People of the Book were the ones who truly followed the teachings of Jesus and Moses, which are lost today. So by using the Quran alone, how do I know which verse was revealed first? Did Surah 2:221 come first and then God sent down Surah 5:5 making an exception or did God send down Surah 5:5 first and then send Surah 2:221 by completely prohibiting us from marrying the women from the People of the Book?

14. In Surah 24, verse 31 says "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof" What exactly is this part that "appears thereof"?

15. Allah says in the Qur'an (Surah 75:19) that the Qur'an will be recited. But then in the verse right after (verse 20) it is also said that the Qur'an will be explained. If the Qur'an is self-explanatory then the only thing that needs to be done is reciting it out. However, in verse 19 the function of reciting is done and then in the verse right after, the function of explaining is done. Clearly these are two different tasks, which mean that reading the Qur'an alone would not give you the full explanation required. It has to be explained through some other source. What is that other source?

Two things:

1) Allah says we should obey the prophet, but how can we obey him when SOME of the reports contain glaring lies against him?

2) I did not in any part of my post say that all Hadiths are lies, you are deliberately assuming that because you are getting emotional. If I have to accept every report about prophet Muhammad just because sayings have been attributed to hin, then YOU must also accept all other Hadiths (including the "weak" ones and those that were completely discarded).

Sahih is not 100% percent reliable especially sahih Bukhari,thya book needs to be revised cos it has cause much wahala in Islamic world.

Crayfish09:
Assalamu Alaikum brothers,

I'm asking this question because of the videos of an Islamic scholar, Sheikh Abduljabbar that I came across last week. He made some points about the hadiths being unreliable and even gave some proofs (which I extensively made a research on and found 90% to be true) and challenged northern scholars to prove him wrong or debate with him. So far, none of them has stepped forward to do so even though they have been condemning and cursing him. In fact, he was kicked out of Kano and barred from holding lectures.

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakaatuh. Just so you know, the said Abduljabbar had a debate with scholars and he has since apologised for his statements.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/472970-kano-cleric-accused-of-blasphemy-apologises.html

Usernamesucks:


Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakaatuh. Just so you know, the said Abduljabbar had a debate with scholars and he has since apologised for his statements.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/472970-kano-cleric-accused-of-blasphemy-apologises.html

Wa'alaikumu Salam brother.

I watched the video of the apology. It was made because many of us were accusing him of insulting the prophet, so he clarified it and apologized to those who felt offended.

Also, the debate was more of a Q and A session. They asked him to open the pages of all the false hadiths he mentioned in 10 minutes and he was unable to do so.

compton11:
Sahih is not 100% percent reliable especially sahih Bukhari,thya book needs to be revised cos it has cause much wahala in Islamic world.

Unfortunately, some Muslims can go as far as calling you a Kafir because of this.

Crayfish09:


Most of the hadiths I mentioned were actually attributed to the prophet but yes, I agree that the Qur'an is 100% accurate

Did you just write 100 % accurate?

compton11:
Sahih is not 100% percent reliable especially sahih Bukhari,thya book needs to be revised cos it has cause much wahala in Islamic world.

LMAO @antiislam, @Hendtime come o Sombody is saying that the sayings of the prophet (saw) is causing wàhálà (shame) to Islam. Ọmọ x 1 trillion I no fit laugh alone

Thanks for this. I'm also a supporter of Hadiths.

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AntiChristian:
Sahih Ahadith are as reliable as the Qur'an cos they were all transmitted by the Companions of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam.

You will have to meet those scholars that understands to explain your doubts to you.

Once you have it in your mind that the Ahadith are doubtful then know that you'll soon disbelieve in the Qur'an too as Allah refers to the Ahadith by saying in many places "Obey Allah and His messenger" i.e. we obey Allah by following the Qur'an and we obey the Messenger by following his examples.

Allah says:
Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. (Qur'an 33:21)

The Ahadith are the records of his examples. So casting aspersions on them is also doing same on the Qur'an.

Sometimes the Qur'an gives the complete ruling and sometimes the hadith gives the complete ruling. At other times the ahadith explains the Qur'an and the Qur'an can also explain the ahadith. The Qur'an and Sunnah are what the Prophet left behind.

And there's no contradiction between an hadith and the Qur'an as the Prophet practice the Qur'an while alive.

Note this people are Shia, the mudir group they paid scholars in Islam to spread shia, the reason why bihari won't release Al zazaky,
This guy here released the fabricated sahih bukhari he changed the wordings, reference the original book.

Crayfish09:



First of all, you are completely wrong for even saying that the Hadith (with all its glaring faults that I've mentioned) are as reliable as the Quran. I mean, let's face it. Even the compilers threw away 90% of the hadiths so how can you even compare such with the Qur'an?

I think your comment is the exact problem I have with the hadiths. First of all, how do you equate disbeliving parts of the hadiths with disbelieving the words of Allah even when there are strong evidences that many of them are false?


Kindly explain the differences between these hadiths for me (for starters)

Is Ghusl (bath) mandatory after intercourse?
- Hazrat Usman said: If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)

Rasool (S) said: When a man sits between the woman’s legs and pushes hard, Ghusl (bath) becomes mandatory with or without ejaculation. (Muslim vol 1 Bab-il-Wudhu pg 485)


This is just an example of so many others. Don't ever equate Hadiths with the Qur'an. Salami Alaikum

All this Hadith you are quoting are not saheeh

Crayfish09:
Assalamu Alaikum brothers,

I'm asking this question because of the videos of an Islamic scholar, Sheikh Abduljabbar that I came across last week. He made some points about the hadiths being unreliable and even gave some proofs (which I extensively made a research on and found 90% to be true) and challenged northern scholars to prove him wrong or debate with him. So far, none of them has stepped forward to do so even though they have been condemning and cursing him. In fact, he was kicked out of Kano and barred from holding lectures.

If you still believe that all Sahih hadiths are authentic please give me your reasons. I am not here to argue with anyone but to learn. These are some of the things I find questionable about hadiths:

The collection process: Imam Buhari collected 500,000 narrations and found only 8,000 to be authentic. Looking at these numbers, it's very easy for the sound ones to be excluded and fake ones to be accepted.

Contradictions with the Qur'an: maybe it's my lack of understanding, but it looks to be violating some of the commandments of Allah. For example,

1)the Qur'an says there is no compulsion in religion while the Hadiths call for the killing of apostates.

2) The Quran specifies 100 lashes for Zina (with no distinction between adultery and fornication) while the Hadiths call for stoning to death.

3) The Quran justifies killing only on the grounds of murder or war while the hadiths do so on adultery, apostesy, homosexuality, blasphemy, and so one which are the main issues that the Kafirs use to condemn us.

4) The Qur'an encourages Muslims to refrain from approaching women (sexually) during their periods but the hadiths suggest so.

There are so many others that I noticed.


Contradictions within hadiths: you'll find "Sahih" hadith contradicting with "Sahih" from other scholars or even within the same collection. Take for example,

1)
- Hazrat Ibn Abbas said: Rasool (S) slept for a while – went to the Masjid and prayed (‘offered’ Namaaz) without Wudhu. (Bukhari, Kitabul Wudhu)

- The Sahaba of Rasool (S) used to ‘perform’ Namaaz without Wudhu after waking up from sleep. (Muslim with Fathil Mulhim pg 500)

2)

- Hazrat Usman said: If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)

- Bath becomes mandatory after penetration. (Muwatta pg 22)


3)


- Rasool (S) said, “Renew Wudhu after eating anything cooked on fire.” (Muslim vol 1 pg 486)

- BUT, Ibn Abbas says, “Rasoolullah ate a roasted goat shoulder and then prayed without ablution.” (Same vol 1 pg 488)

4)

- If someone passes in front of a praying person, stop him. If he doesn’t stop, kill him because he is Shayitaan. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 68)

- But: Abdullah Ibn Abbas said, “I rode a donkey to MINA. Rasoolullah (S) was leading the prayer. I passed before some praying ones and got off from the animal and joined the prayers. None objected. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 107)

Again, I came across many of such examples.


Lastly, the ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS HADITHS:

Many of them are absolutely insulting to our holy prophet Muhammad.

Some made narrations of him lying on his stomach while married women rubbed his back.

Some said he used to pee while standing.

Some talked about the sun traveling to prostrate before Allah everyday

Some said Moses sent prophet Muhammad back to Allah multiple times in order to have our salat reduced to 5

Some portrayed prophet Muhammad as a reckless killer

Some said pandemics can never reach Makkah and Madinah but Covid-19 proves otherwise.


Many of them are absolutely degrading to women. Some have grouped them with devils and animals.


Some condone rape and stealing (especially at times of war)



The list is just endless. If you have some logical explanations for these factors please do share with me. I have come to realize that most of the Islamic laws we have today lay much more emphasis on these hadiths rather than the Qur'an too.

NB: I don't completely disbelieve the hadiths. There are many beautiful ones that should be accepted even IF they didn't come from the prophet.

Is it the same AbdulJabbar that was put to shame during a debate/Muqabala some weeks back?
Firstly, If you have such doubts about Sahih Hadith, I recommend you listen to seasoned sholars who do not follow their desires but speak only the truth like Sheikh Muhammad Sani Rijiyan Lemu, Sheikh Jafar Mahmud Adam, Sheikh Albani Zaria etc. The science of Hadith is a branch of knowledge so huge on its own. Scholars have dedicated years and some their whole lifetime studying and verifying chain of narrations.
Secondly, there are no contradictions between Sahih hadiths and Quran, please. You just don't read them but also ponder upon them. That is why you are encouraged to join circles of knowledge to get more understanding of these things. Stop listening to crooked scholars or you will fall in deep shit.

Crayfish09:


When I say Hadith, I'm referring to Sahih hadiths and yes, to even compare "Sahih" Hadiths with the Qur'an is an abomination because we are still talking about words ATRIBUTED to those who claimed to have heard the Sahaba saying something about what the prophet said.


I also clearly said that I do not reject the Hadiths but those that contradict/undermine the Qur'an.

Let's analyze this explanation of yours now.

In the first 2 verses, Allah says that the cost outweighs the benefit and that we should refrain from doing it before Salat. We can say the same about other sins of the world. For example, stealing has the benefit of worldly gains but it's bad. HOWEVER, THE VERSE DOES NOT IN ANY WAY TELL US TO DRINK unlike in the case of the Hadiths where one says IT'S FINE to do something and another says it's not.


I have many other ridiculous ones too. I know those that claimed pandemics can never enter Makkah and Madina but thanks to Corona, they have been proven to be false. There are also those that said the sun prostrate before Allah even though the Qur'an said a different thing. I know those that depicted Moses (AS) as the superior of prophet Muhammad and even suggested that he knows better than Allah (when the so-called 50 daily prayers were reduced to 5)

These so-called Sahih Hadiths are no Sahihs. I wasn't so sure as at when I created this thread but now, I'm fully convinced.

This one is trying to drag you into debate even though you have told him to visit scholars.
In short, he's not a MUSLIM but a Christian and you two will not settle till eternity
His aim is only to attack Islam so he will never come down you people
Even the hadiths he lined up there seeking their clarification as a Muslim he should have known their meanings but from the way, he is expressing himself says much about him

I also support Sahih Hadith

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Crayfish09:


As expected, you resorted to insults. The "sahih" Hadith, which many ignorant Muslims shamelessly equate with the Qur'an is very much not wholly accurate and that's that. May Allah continue to open the eyes of others and protect us from those who innovate and lie against our prophet, Amin.

Crayfish09:
Assalamu Alaikum brothers,

I'm asking this question because of the videos of an Islamic scholar, Sheikh Abduljabbar that I came across last week. He made some points about the hadiths being unreliable and even gave some proofs (which I extensively made a research on and found 90% to be true) and challenged northern scholars to prove him wrong or debate with him. So far, none of them has stepped forward to do so even though they have been condemning and cursing him. In fact, he was kicked out of Kano and barred from holding lectures.

If you still believe that all Sahih hadiths are authentic please give me your reasons. I am not here to argue with anyone but to learn. These are some of the things I find questionable about hadiths:

The collection process: Imam Buhari collected 500,000 narrations and found only 8,000 to be authentic. Looking at these numbers, it's very easy for the sound ones to be excluded and fake ones to be accepted.

Contradictions with the Qur'an: maybe it's my lack of understanding, but it looks to be violating some of the commandments of Allah. For example,

1)the Qur'an says there is no compulsion in religion while the Hadiths call for the killing of apostates.

2) The Quran specifies 100 lashes for Zina (with no distinction between adultery and fornication) while the Hadiths call for stoning to death.

3) The Quran justifies killing only on the grounds of murder or war while the hadiths do so on adultery, apostesy, homosexuality, blasphemy, and so one which are the main issues that the Kafirs use to condemn us.

4) The Qur'an encourages Muslims to refrain from approaching women (sexually) during their periods but the hadiths suggest so.

There are so many others that I noticed.


Contradictions within hadiths: you'll find "Sahih" hadith contradicting with "Sahih" from other scholars or even within the same collection. Take for example,

1)
- Hazrat Ibn Abbas said: Rasool (S) slept for a while – went to the Masjid and prayed (‘offered’ Namaaz) without Wudhu. (Bukhari, Kitabul Wudhu)

- The Sahaba of Rasool (S) used to ‘perform’ Namaaz without Wudhu after waking up from sleep. (Muslim with Fathil Mulhim pg 500)

2)

- Hazrat Usman said: If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)

- Bath becomes mandatory after penetration. (Muwatta pg 22)


3)


- Rasool (S) said, “Renew Wudhu after eating anything cooked on fire.” (Muslim vol 1 pg 486)

- BUT, Ibn Abbas says, “Rasoolullah ate a roasted goat shoulder and then prayed without ablution.” (Same vol 1 pg 488)

4)

- If someone passes in front of a praying person, stop him. If he doesn’t stop, kill him because he is Shayitaan. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 68)

- But: Abdullah Ibn Abbas said, “I rode a donkey to MINA. Rasoolullah (S) was leading the prayer. I passed before some praying ones and got off from the animal and joined the prayers. None objected. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 107)

Again, I came across many of such examples.


Lastly, the ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS HADITHS:

Many of them are absolutely insulting to our holy prophet Muhammad.

Some made narrations of him lying on his stomach while married women rubbed his back.

Some said he used to pee while standing.

Some talked about the sun traveling to prostrate before Allah everyday

Some said Moses sent prophet Muhammad back to Allah multiple times in order to have our salat reduced to 5

Some portrayed prophet Muhammad as a reckless killer

Some said pandemics can never reach Makkah and Madinah but Covid-19 proves otherwise.


Many of them are absolutely degrading to women. Some have grouped them with devils and animals.


Some condone rape and stealing (especially at times of war)



The list is just endless. If you have some logical explanations for these factors please do share with me. I have come to realize that most of the Islamic laws we have today lay much more emphasis on these hadiths rather than the Qur'an too.

NB: I don't completely disbelieve the hadiths. There are many beautiful ones that should be accepted even IF they didn't come from the prophet.

Ya Akhi, your premise is sound and your logic valid. Jazakumu LLAHU khairan