I only read the front-page and I'm surprised that evolution didn't convince Op as a biochemist but niffy theory like the Big Bang .

And what does relativity and the other one there has do with God.

Also one guy there like his economic sense of reasoning and started claiming that religion made Africa broke. Wonders shall never end

I only read the front-page and I'm surprised that evolution didn't convince Op as a biochemist but niffy theory like the Big Bang .

And what does relativity and the other one there has do with God.

Also one guy there like his economic sense of reasoning and started claiming that religion made Africa broke. Wonders shalll never end

PeaceJoyLove:


I scanned through this thread and I was just smiling all through. Though, it is time consuming to read word for word all as I do not even have the time, but I got the general gist.

Bro, too many insights in this thread. Hmmmm! Here are points for you:

1. Most religious people esp moslims and christians are zombies. Oh! I am a christian though. It is sad most don't even question the Bible. Nigerian christianity and Islam is something else. But I dont blame them. I know the reason after many years. And I really felt deeply pained when I discovered this truth.

2. Science , evolution, big bang theory, etc. are not complete too. There is more. The way God (I noticed you use "g" for Him....lol) works is mysterious. Hmmmm. I have a feeling that He will allow Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Richard Bradon build homes in the outer space this time. Do you know that this is the parable of the Babel Tower another attempt? And then, the game will change. I read it somewhere one moniker told you that Bing bang theory was actually theist theory but was hijacked. It is deep bro. God always use the plan of the enemy to fulfill prophesies. Just like the story of the death and resurrection of Jesus. Anyway, it doesn't make sense to the physical man. It's ok.

3. I passed through these stages too. The thing is that our Sunday school teachers dont know these things too. Our pastors too do not know.

4. Now, there is a NL who is an atheist, he is LordReed. It will be nice to share thoughts with him. Some months ago, he wrote that there seems to be in existence some gods. And I shouted "that's it". This man is getting it. He is hungry for the truth. Cos like me too, I did not want to throw away my childish memories too fast. I struggled hard to go against my background. And this same reason is why you opened this thread. You want to convince yourself that there is no God. You are looking for more answers. But these ignorant powerless christians will just start cursing you when they are in serious need of deliverance and help. Mumu people in bondage under their evil pastors. I pity most of them. If they are free, Nigeria will be prosperous. How can they say God is great and they know Him and they are lavishing in poverty. They cry on Sundays but they are still poor. Imagine. And they will be the first to shout hell fire. Mumu people.

5. Religious people will not help you. Rather, they will abuse you. I abused people too and I have been abused. But such strategy only hardens the heart. Meanwhile, just be soft hearted. The moment you are strong hearted, that's it. You will never discuss it again. That you opened this thread means you are not fully an atheist. You are still looking for answers.

Next Step
I am glad you are back to Nigeria. Hmm. Bro, if you can pick D.K. Olukoya genetically research papers (really I dont know how but I read mostly all through his office in Yaba, the research center there). Do you know D.K Olukoya? The enemy must die fire pastor. The pastor who brought "die by fire" to Nigeria. Now, how can a genetics expert who was trained in the UK (first class brain) with genetically papers published by science journals be a "die by fire" person and at the same time published accepted scientific papers about genes. You too know that all these you are saying are about genetical engineering and science. Science is the theory and revelation, while the engineering part is the practical and process of implenting it. Aging cause has been detected and engineers are working on it. Soon old age will be regarded as a disease. For a start research "Telomere and Aging". Perhaps you know it cos I see you are good in finding facts.

Bro, your answers are in the abstract. The next step is the one many of us took. The great Wole Soyinka took this path too. And I keep telling all that, you will abandon science bros if you take this path. You will. Lord Reed is about to, but may not be a christian. You will belong somewhere if you take the next step. However, the right way is the christian way if you can detect it. I know because I researched all other ways very well. I didnt fall into the traps the likes of Wole Soyinka fell. After promoting atheism for some parts of his youthful years, and he returned home, Wole became an ogun worshipper.

Take it easy. May the Lord direct your steps. Please, stop arguing with people here. It may not make sense but still say silent prayers to that God you feel doesn't exist now. It helps.

Bro, when you meet someone (a complete illiterate without access to technology or internet) who you know doesnt know your background, meet you the first time, and starts downloading your past and future, you will sit up. Where is big bang? When you see mysteries in Naija you will know. See, people are zombies to religion because there is power and mysteries in the traditional setting which used to oppress them. And it is not opened to all. Only tiny set of people have access to it. And they keep protecting it from the public. You mess with these set, they waste you. And majority have access to what can still protect them from these powers ....hmmmmm. they cannot have a reasoning brain. They will be a zombie to that savior. Go an learn about rural life in Naija. Find out from grassroot communities. You think say the likes of Ayo Fauose, the former Ekiti Gov who is a grassroot politician but always promoting his spiritual wife is a fo.ol? So, you think the likes of late Harry Akande, Dehinde Fernandez, Chinua Achebe, and the one who is still alive ...prof Wole Soyinka did not study deep like you? Did they not belong somewhere? Bro....you are a kid. Small kid no sabi juju (voodoo, he dey call am vegetsble)

Bro...soul traveling is real. That space Bezos, Musk, Bradson wasted billions of dollars to travel is an easy journey to high rank Benin travellers. Have you not heard of Benin Airways? Yet, you dey talk about big bang theory. Reporting physical in the spiritual is real. Your answers are in the abstract world. Forget the stories in the Bible which have been manipulated. The Bible was tampered with many times. Yet, the Bible is still the answer. You must know how to read it. Mysteries and codes are in it. The Bible is an open secret but many do not know how to unlock the gems in it. That's a story for another day. One of the real things is that book in the Ark of God. Bro....if you lay your hands on it, hahahahha. I know about it cos I have Jewish friends. Bro, follow Reno Omokri and you will start reading mysteries. The guy is travelling like me too. He went to Turkey and Isreal. See, I started travelling when my pastor said he gained so much in traveling. Na American white man oooo, no be Naija. Have you read the link of Isreal to Yoruba people? Ibo has a link too, but not the way these Ipob and useless threads on NL are promoting it. Bro, go and research who the real Queen of Shebbah who married King Solomon was.


Bros, a beg start history. Leave big bang for now. Combine history with it. Dont be a one sided person so you dont regret it later. Add history. Bro...you will be shocked. If possible visit your root. I always tell my British, American and Canadian friends always saying ...my daddy or mommy is Nigerian, I am Nogerian too. Na lie. FEM in the words of Davido. Which Nigerian are they? I have assisted some to find their way home despite these security crisis. See, nothing like insecurity in Nigeria if you know your way. Even as at this moment, the American govt is discouraging US citizens from visiting Nigeria. I laughed when a friend who is trying to get his Nigerian passport in the US but unsuccessful due to the corruption there, but also doesnt want to come without any passport cos he knows those in the airport at the point of entry are ma.d set of people will .ake life terrible for him. He wanted to take Nigerian visa on his American passport at least to visit, despite he went to tje US at 31 years and have stayed for close to 30 years there. In fact, this is what I always advise even Nigerians do. Travel home with the Nigerina visa on your foreign passport. And go report yourself to the embassy. Even you have the Nigerian passport, stop using it to travel to Nigeria. E get reason now.

Anyway dont let me bore you. Na experience a dey talk from. May God lead you to Himself again.

Goodluck sir!

i was hoping to see a testable evidence for god but I didn’t see any

Workch:
i was hoping to see a testable evidence for god but I didn’t see any

In that case, you have a long way to go in testable evidences. The rich man will not reveal the secret to you. Only things which are obsolete are revealed. Knowledge is the beginning of wisdom.

Those who gave you big bang went into it when it wasn't testable. It is why it is called research - you search what is not testable. You merely looked into what others say. I'm giving you HINTS and where to look at and develop a conclusion not based on only what others say, but on what you come up with. Please, quickly go for your PhD and learn how desertations are done. And find out why some are giving awards for their papers.

Having said this, you arent ready for the truth. And goodluck with basing your judgment on only what have been writing down and not what you can write down. As for me, I am into what I can write for generations to build on, and not explaining and stopping at what have been writing down already. You develop what is testable in the abstract. Most scientific studies coming to pass now were non testable, but some sat down to make them testable.

Find God when and where you can find Him. I hope you know the verse. If you do, you will return to where most say you can find Him and start looking for the missing links there. But going elsewhere, na confusion you go meet.

By the way, I checked your other threads and I saw where you said Jesus is in Mohammed's hell and Mohammed in Jesus'. Well, I understand you. Just cool off. God will lead you back to Him. Take care!

Goodluck! And Goodbye!

PeaceJoyLove:

In that case, you have a long way to go in testable evidences. The rich man will not reveal the secret to you. Only things which are obsolete are revealed. Knowledge is the beginning of wisdom.

Those who gave you big bang went into it when it wasn't testable. It is why it is called research - you search what is not testable. You merely looked into what others say. I'm giving you HINTS and where to look at and develop a conclusion not based on only what others say, but on what you come up with. Please, quickly go for your PhD and learn how desertations are done. And find out why some are giving awards for their papers.

Having said this, you arent ready for the truth. And goodluck with basing your judgment on only what have been writing down and not what you can write down. As for me, I am into what I can write for generations to build on, and not explaining and stopping at what have been writing down already. You develop what is testable in the abstract. Most scientific studies coming to pass now were non testable, but some sat down to make them testable.

Find God when and where you can find Him. I hope you know the verse. If you do, you will return to where most say you can find Him and start looking for the missing links there. But going elsewhere, na confusion you go meet.

By the way, I checked your other threads and I saw where you said Jesus is in Mohammed's hell and Mohammed in Jesus'. Well, I understand you. Just cool off. God will lead you back to Him. Take care!

Goodluck! And Goodbye!

if it doesn’t have evidence then we can say it’s real. As simple as that

PeaceJoyLove:


4. Now, there is a NL who is an atheist, he is LordReed. It will be nice to share thoughts with him. Some months ago, he wrote that there seems to be in existence some gods.

This isn't what I said. I said I don't think we can definitively conclude that gods do not exist even though we can say some types do not exist. We have not explored enough of the universe to come to that conclusion was my reasoning.

LordReed:


Na wa for this guy sef. E bi like say english dey hard you for night. I already explained that the Down Syndrome reference was to give you opportunity to clarify what genetic complexity means which you still haven't done by the way.



My goodness! Do you even know what the Theory of Evolution states? For the love of Mercury it discusses diversity not complexity. WTH are you getting complexity from?



You see you now. You've introduced another thing then when we get into it you'll say it was me who changed the subject. What has punctuated equilibrium got to do with what we are discussing for Andromeda's sake? More grist from your theological grabbag I guess.

For the "evolution has nothing to do with complexity" statement of faith

Workch:
I don’t think you do yourself.

You want to teach me about fallacies? Lol You don’t even understand whatever you say. Begging the question fallacy is when the body of your argument already assumes that your conclusion is correct instead of supporting it.

An example of begging the question fallacy is “god exist because the Bible said he exist ”. How is this an equivalence to whatever I typed here.

Maybe you think when you use those terms, it makes you sound intelligent

You are dumb at everything, even recognizing fallacies

To the screenshot below, you answered with "I ask questions and there answers there already" (paraphrased).
The question begging here (what you wrote there is a simplified explanation and better seen as circular argument) is that I questioned your claim by asking if we are evolving, with continuous accumulation of mutation. Your answer implied yes in such a way of "you have said it already" without supporting it.

A better example of question begging is:
What evidence is there for abiogenesis?
Ans: if it didn't occur, we won't be here

LordReed:


This isn't what I said. I said I don't think we can definitively conclude that gods do not exist even though we can say some types do not exist. We have not explored enough of the universe to come to that conclusion was my reasoning.

I apologize for saying it in another way which may not show your real intention, but that you feel we cannot conclude that gods do not exist means you have researched some things. It is always like that. Big bang theory almost messed up my brain sir. Deep scientific research almost turned me to something else. And I was struggling inside, but people didn' know the battle within I was fighting. It used to be so real with those theories. And to cap it, I dived into sexual orientation.

I am not forcing you or trying to make anyone follow me. I know what it feels like, so I cannot judge any one of you.

Like this OP, he is still hot and really angry with the society cos he needs real evidences which can be tested. I felt such too in those days. But I didnt curse God or dived into atheism fast.

Pelecius:

For the "evolution has nothing to do with complexity" statement of faith

Is that you don't understand that complexity is not a mechanism of evolution or what is your exact hang up?

PeaceJoyLove:

I apologize for saying it in another way which may not show your real intention, but that you feel we cannot conclude that gods do not exist means you have researched some things. It is always like that. Big bang theory almost messed up my brain sir. Deep scientific research almost turned me to something else. And I was struggling inside, but people didn' know the battle within I was fighting. It used to be so real with those theories. And to cap it, I dived into sexual orientation.

I am not forcing you or trying to make anyone follow me. I know what it feels like, so I cannot judge any one of you.

Like this OP, he is still hot and really angry with the society cos he needs real evidences which can be tested. I felt such too in those days. But I didnt curse God or dived into atheism fast.

I don't know what you mean, I am an atheist and I will remain one till gods can be proven to exist.

Pelecius:

To the screenshot below, you answered with "I ask questions and there answers there already" (paraphrased).
The question begging here (what you wrote there is a simplified explanation and better seen as circular argument) is that I questioned your claim by asking if we are evolving, with continuous accumulation of mutation. Your answer implied yes in such a way of "you have said it already" without supporting it.

A better example of question begging is:
What evidence is there for abiogenesis?
Ans: if it didn't occur, we won't be here

just stick to reading the Bible, you can never make it in philosophy and logic. I have never said Abiogenesis occurred, it's no one's probelm if you are too daft to differentiate evolution from Abiogenesis and then you keep mentioning it whenever we talk about evolution.
That’s not how begging the question work. Dude, stop embarrassing yourself upandan.

When you beg the questions, you make points and then you make your point sounds like a conclusion already. You are too stupid to learn but I will give you several examples.

There’s no begging the question fallacy in the comment, if you had asked how accumulated mutations caused evolution and then I reply with “it’s a scientific fact that mutations lead to evolution” that would have been begging the question.

I can’t beg the question when I didn’t make any point or whatsoever.

Pelecius:

For the "evolution has nothing to do with complexity" statement of faith

the issue of complexity has been trashed since the 18th century and you are still stuck there.

Increasing Complexity means evolution is directional/has a purpose and no evidence suggest that’s the case. Evolution doesn’t have a purpose, it’s directed by natural selection and it’s aim is not to make more complex organisms. The aim is to select organisms that are more adapted to a particular environmental condition.

The thread don turn to biology class.

LordReed:


Is that you don't understand that complexity is not a mechanism of evolution or what is your exact hang up?

When did I say that complexity is a mechanism of evolution?

Workch:
just stick to reading the Bible, you can never make it in philosophy and logic. I have never said Abiogenesis occurred, it's no one's probelm if you are too daft to differentiate evolution from Abiogenesis and then you keep mentioning it whenever we talk about evolution.
That’s not how begging the question work. Dude, stop embarrassing yourself upandan.

When you beg the questions, you make points and then you make your point sounds like a conclusion already. You are too stupid to learn but I will give you several examples.

There’s no begging the question fallacy in the comment, if you had asked how accumulated mutations caused evolution and then I reply with “it’s a scientific fact that mutations lead to evolution” that would have been begging the question.

I can’t beg the question when I didn’t make any point or whatsoever.

I have never said Abiogenesis occurred, it's no one's probelm if you are too daft to differentiate evolution from Abiogenesis and then you keep mentioning it whenever we talk about evolution.

Did I mention it that you said abiogenesis occured? LWKD
Can't you see that I gave it as an example to illustrate how the fallacy is used? Comprehension problem?
When did I equate abiogenesis to evolution? Of course, I can't stoop low to use adhominem to emphasize points. The rule is to raise argument, not personal attacks

So using abiogenesis as just ORDINARY EXAMPLE, can hurt someone's feeling? This is too funny
Yet you used God and bible as example to illustrate circular reasoning. LWKM



If you are not able to see that you referring me to your stated point as an answer to questioning the rationale behind such point is not an argument that prove your claim true, then i don't know what to say to you.

And after putting it in perspective for you to understand, you went emotional, just for using abiogenesis as an example. Pathetic

Workch:
the issue of complexity has been trashed since the 18th century and you are still stuck there.

Increasing Complexity means evolution is directional/has a purpose and no evidence suggest that’s the case. Evolution doesn’t have a purpose, it’s directed by natural selection and it’s aim is not to make more complex organisms. The aim is to select organisms that are more adapted to a particular environmental condition.

Are you telling me that I should discard the opinion of sites of those who are invested in proving evolution for you who actually learn from them?
Did you not see the pictures clearly? Were they my writings?
Come on "learned" one, you seem to know evolution more than your "teachers"

Pelecius:


When did I say that complexity is a mechanism of evolution?

Well you still haven't answered the question of what you mean by genetic complexity.

LordReed:


Well you still haven't answered the question of what you mean by genetic complexity.

So you wouldn't admit that you erred and I didn't say it. It's just to shift grounds and see how you can stay afloat?

Pelecius:

So you wouldn't admit that you erred and I didn't say it. It's just to shift grounds and see how you can stay afloat?

Erred how? I asked you a question or didn't you see the question mark?

LordReed:


Is that you don't understand that complexity is not a mechanism of evolution or what is your exact hang up?

Image123:


Ecc 9:4 KJV For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

Life is absurd.

Pelecius:

Are you telling me that I should discard the opinion of sites of those who are invested in proving evolution for you who actually learn from them?
Did you not see the pictures clearly? Were they my writings?
Come on "learned" one, you seem to know evolution more than your "teachers"

people who argue complexity don't even argue that evolution didn't happen and they obviously do not think that speciation has evidence and evolution doesn't.

The argument they present is whether it's unidirectional or random. Evidence suggests that it's not unidirectional and that's why natural selection takes the weaker traits at any given point in time.

A simple experiment to test this is to study the mutations in the spike proteins in the measles rebeola virus. Any single mutation in these proteins doesn't lead to any complexity, the virus loses its ability to enter host cells and it dies off. These example are very numerous in nature and that is why we have several genetic disorders. This is also the basis for the production of measles vaccine. You see why evolution is very important in biology?

I don't expect you to understand anything I typed there but the basics is that evolution doesn't have any aim of increasing complexity. That's jargons. A mutation that is favourable today might be harmful tommorow, it's all depends on the certain environmental factors that ensures natural selection. So if you are talking about increasing complexity, maybe you learnt that from the Bible because that's obviously doesn't exist in science class.

You don't know these because you learn science from the Bible, which is a very wrong place to learn about things that are real and existing.

HellVictorinho:


Life is absurd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVh9PeDaENc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVh9PeDaENc

How can that help when there's no data to watch it??

Workch:
people who argue complexity don't even argue that evolution didn't happen and they obviously do not think that speciation has evidence and evolution doesn't.

The argument they present is whether it's unidirectional or random. Evidence suggests that it's not unidirectional and that's why natural selection takes the weaker traits at any given point in time.

A simple experiment to test this is to study the mutations in the spike proteins in the measles rebeola virus. Any single mutation in these proteins doesn't lead to any complexity, the virus loses its ability to enter host cells and it dies off. These example are very numerous in nature and that is why we have several genetic disorders. This is also the basis for the production of measles vaccine. You see why evolution is very important in biology?

I don't expect you to understand anything I typed there but the basics is that evolution doesn't have any aim of increasing complexity. That's jargons. A mutation that is favourable today might be harmful tommorow, it's all depends on the certain environmental factors that ensures natural selection. So if you are talking about increasing complexity, maybe you learnt that from the Bible because that's obviously doesn't exist in science class.

You don't know these because you learn science from the Bible, which is a very wrong place to learn about things that are real and existing.

But there's no reason why anything leads to life or death

Workch:
i was hoping to see a testable evidence for god but I didn’t see any

Funny. Should you not have first asked what Gods are?

Still, I hope someone informed you that [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A18&version=KJV]No man hath seen God at any time[/url], the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

I also hope anyone attempting to provide what you've requested is [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+5%3A8&version=KJV]aware of the commandment they've broken[/url]. An image, afterall, is what you are requesting.

HellVictorinho:


How can that help when there's no data to watch it??

Here's the summary.
1Pe 5:7 KJV Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

It's the safest known, most guaranteed way out of your predicament.

Workch:
people who argue complexity don't even argue that evolution didn't happen and they obviously do not think that speciation has evidence and evolution doesn't.

The argument they present is whether it's unidirectional or random. Evidence suggests that it's not unidirectional and that's why natural selection takes the weaker traits at any given point in time.

A simple experiment to test this is to study the mutations in the spike proteins in the measles rebeola virus. Any single mutation in these proteins doesn't lead to any complexity, the virus loses its ability to enter host cells and it dies off. These example are very numerous in nature and that is why we have several genetic disorders. This is also the basis for the production of measles vaccine. You see why evolution is very important in biology?

I don't expect you to understand anything I typed there but the basics is that evolution doesn't have any aim of increasing complexity. That's jargons. A mutation that is favourable today might be harmful tommorow, it's all depends on the certain environmental factors that ensures natural selection. So if you are talking about increasing complexity, maybe you learnt that from the Bible because that's obviously doesn't exist in science class.

You don't know these because you learn science from the Bible, which is a very wrong place to learn about things that are real and existing.

people who argue complexity don't even argue that evolution didn't happen
Absurd claim! You should say that evolutionists don't argue that evolution didn't happen. Or do you think that all scientists subscribe to evolution? Even with the risk involve in publicizing your scientific criticism of evolution (the Darwin "bulldogs" won't even allow such publication), thousands of scientists don't subscribe to it.

Secondly, you had ignorantly joined the bandwagon in erroneously claiming that evolution has nothing to do with complexity. Why are you now implying that? Which should we take? That complexity have been trashed some centuries ago or people still discuss it (and is very relevant in evolutionary biology)?

they obviously do not think that speciation has evidence and evolution doesn't.
Again, you've limited yourself like the car battery analogy. Speciation does not equate to evolution. It's a well known mechanism and I have discussed that using some classic examples earlier. But you seem to be locked in your world of speciation belongs to evolution only, which is wrong. Just as a battery does not belong to a car only.

The argument they present is whether it's unidirectional or random
When I say you just begged the question now, all hell would be loosed. You are yet to show that your first paragraph is valid and true, yet, you assume it and now proceed to make a case for them.

Evidence suggests that it's not unidirectional and that's why natural selection takes the weaker traits at any given point in time
Do you mean that because evolution is not unidirectional, that's why natural selection take the weaker traits? (What's non sequitur again sef? )
Again, you just prove my point by declaring the general believe about evolution. The fact that it's allegedly not unidirectional indicates that there is increased complexity and even reduced complexity. The former is what we have been asking for it's evidence, the latter is what I have provided evidence for (which is definitely what most evolution dissenters talk about). In fact, the latter is what you set out to prove yourself, as will be seen.

A simple experiment to test this is to study the mutations in the spike proteins in the measles rebeola virus. Any single mutation in these proteins doesn't lead to any complexity, the virus loses its ability to enter host cells and it dies off
That has been what I had talked about. Just that in this case, the virus is not complex enough such that loss of genetic information (in the spike protein) is fatal for it. Unlike in higher organisms where loss of information in one part may be near neutral to such organism but accumulation of mutation in the genome will eventually lead to genetic entropy and eventually, extinction.

These example are very numerous in nature and that is why we have several genetic disorders
This is what creation scientists have predicted all along, and if not for modern medicine, humans should have reached a genetic bottleneck. Mutation has been the mechanism provided by Darwin and disciples as mechanism for gradual modification in gaining
and developing new functions. But empirical studies have shown that opposite is usually the case. It's what we know, O "learned" one. You're the one who should study WIDE

This is also the basis for the production of measles vaccine. You see why evolution is very important in biology?
Funny. Measles vaccine is just another type of vaccine and vaccines have been developed before Darwin. One important one was even developed by Lois Pasteur (I mentioned his name specifically ).
So how is vaccine production related to evolution? But believers would mostly enjoy some self delusion to maybe make themselves happy. Just like the usual mantra of anyone who does not subscribe to evolution (as evidence against it is just overwhelming) is ignorant and stupid.
Anything to make believers happy

I don't expect you to understand anything I typed
Like I said earlier, anything to make believers happy .
The way you've been postings since makes me doubt your stories. As I believe that one with such degree in Biochemistry should not be acting (both in knowledge and behavior) the way you've largely been.

the basics is that evolution doesn't have any aim of increasing complexity. That's jargons.
No one have said that as far as I have discussed. I only asked you to provide evidence of how speciation would lead to increased complexity, since you were equating speciation to evolution. And you can't argue increasing complexity again as I have provided screenshot of how evolution experts have tried to provide mechanism for it.
You have only end up in attacking straw man. (Logic 101 )

So if you are talking about increasing complexity, maybe you learnt that from the Bible because that's obviously doesn't exist in science class.
Your question begging epithet is noted. (Logic 101 ).
I have attached a screenshot of few sites who promotes evolution and which talked about increased complexity. I want to believe that our "learned" one knows more than them . And since they talked about it, they must have learned it from the Bible. And what they present does not exist in our "learned" one's science class. LWKD

You don't know these because you learn science from the Bible, which is a very wrong place to learn about things that are real and existing.
Another absurd claim. We showed already that top organizations agree with what I have been saying. But seems you're the one who knows better, O "learned" one
Clearly, those organizations must be talking about things that doesn't exist since they agree with me. LWKMD

LordReed:


Erred how? I asked you a question or didn't you see the question mark?

The issue is that you vehemently excluded complexity from evolution as seen from this screenshot.
Do you still hold on to that position?
If yes, do you imply that those sites are wrong?
If no, would you be willing to admit to being wrong?

Image123:


How on earth can someone with a living relationship with Jesus Christ have his faith quaking because you don't believe there's God? When will you realize that the man with an experience is not at the mercy of the man with a mere argument?

Word!!!

hucknall:
I only read the front-page and I'm surprised that evolution didn't convince Op as a biochemist but niffy theory like the Big Bang .

And what does relativity and the other one there has do with God.

Also one guy there like his economic sense of reasoning and started claiming that religion made Africa broke. Wonders shall never end

It made me wonder how genuine his story is.

Great observation there

Welcome to the bright side brother!