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aribisala0:
I do not know.
I cannot say there is
I cannot say there is not
I just simply DO NOT KNOW

And there are some questions which you failed to ask, which is

1)DO YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW?

2) WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE GOD OVER YOU, IF YOU HAD BEEN GIVEN THE OPTION?

aribisala0:
There are many "GOD STORIES" from all over the world

This is even the first proof God for He is All Over The World exactly as He Should Be.

Whereas, you who is even here, you have your story limited only to those areas your presence is known and felt.

aribisala0:
What many people believe is simply based on

WHERE THEY WERE BORN AND WHAT THEY WERE TOLD

There is another small group of people who believe because they have Truly Tested and Tasted and Seen, for themselves that God is indeed True.

Others love to hang on to their beliefs MOSTLY BECAUSE TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH OF GOD IS VERY VERY FEARFUL, because they do know that they are the type of people whom God will hate and therefore punish because of the many many evils they have done and they shall do.

So they have to take up any means of 'hiding' themselves from God so that they continue, with some level of peace, to be the evils that they are and they like to be and they want to be

When intellectuals converge in a one place to discuss the first thing that comes to mind is:
What could have prompted intelligent minds like this come together?

Well whenever the title "GOD" is mentioned what comes to your mind?
Thought of someone whose understanding is unreachably higher than yours and all those around you!

So before addressing the questions:

"Is There Really A God?"

We need to ask ourselves: what exactly do we need a Superior of Supreme Being for?

Is it to get someone to whom we need to bow?

Is it to start performing miracles?

Is it to solve individual problems?

Or is it to TEACH us how to cohabit in PEACE?

There are many living things on this planet and obviously mankind is the one creature with the ability to making things better, make better things and commune for the purpose of understanding one another. All other creatures fight and kill one another to prove who is superior, by so doing they're able to create a peaceful environment for their kind.

So the only thing intelligent creatures having the ability to SPEAK could prove we are better than animals is when we deliberate on how to cohabit peacefully!
Therefore if we are intellectuals thinking about a Superior or Supreme Being the purpose should be how to live peacefully with ourselves!

If there is a GOD somewhere then what we need such entity for is clear!

So whatever makes people gather to think of killing people like themselves shows there is lack of wisdom, hence God (Supreme intelligence) is missing in that scenario!

Dtruthspeaker:
And there are some questions which you failed to ask, which is

1)DO YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW?

2) WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE GOD OVER YOU, IF YOU HAD BEEN GIVEN THE OPTION?



This is even the first proof God for He is All Over The World exactly as He Should Be.

Whereas, you who is even here, you have your story limited only to those areas your presence is known and felt.



There is another small group of people who believe because they have Truly Tested and Tasted and Seen, for themselves that God is indeed True.

Others love to hang on to their beliefs MOSTLY BECAUSE TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH OF GOD IS VERY VERY FEARFUL, because they do know that they are the type of people whom God will hate and therefore punish because of the many many evils they have done and they shall do.

So they have to take up any means of 'hiding' themselves from God so that they continue, with some level of peace, to be the evils that they are and they like to be and they want to be

I need a translation of this

aribisala0:
I am interested to know how you came to the "knowledge" that there is no god

Asserting that there is no God is perhaps the flip side of asserting there is one

never said there is no god, as for sure we don't know.
I said the god of the 3 abrahamic religions cannot exist. How i came to that conclusion is bcus of the features and characteristics been used to describe the god, the features of the god does not agree with each other is the reason why it cant exist. I would love to give u the full details and explanations on this, but its something very long and will take me time to type.

Alao046:
never said there is no god,

Really

Alao046:
I didn't say there is a god, infact i know there is no God.

I need to go back to school

aribisala0:
...I Inevitably when they meet another person with a different story there is a clash , conflict and killing.

Still the same way we clash in the office and in our Communities over the implementation of an idea.

aribisala0:
Many of these stories seek to establish a FRANCHISE.

Which is the first proof of God. No one is seeking to establish you, whether rightly or wrong fully, anywhere, if they never knew you.

But because all nations have Truly had a contact with God, they therefore are able to talk about Him.

But the problem is and will be, Do they Rightly and Truly Speak and Establish Him?

aribisala0:
We now have new and imported stories from outside Africa that tell us to disregard and delete all our stories from thousands of stories
and to upload foreign stories into our Mind as direct from God.

The same way they imported their cars and phones and now Africans no longer walk from one village to another.

Like a chain saw vs cutlass, a much better product will always render the earlier product inferior.

aribisala0:
Inevitably the question arises for thinkers. Why do these foreign stories have no provision for black Africans for thousands of years or is there another God for Black Africans?

First, I do not think this question is connected to your main question in this thread.

Secondly, it is their own story, therefore if black Africa is not relevant to the story, then they would not be there.

It is not reasonable to expect that when I am talking about my family, my neighbours and colleagues would be included.

People build houses/walls to protect the contents human or otherwise from weather and several other things

We must be careful that the house does not change into a self constructed prison



The same is true for doctrines and ideologies

aribisala0:
I need a translation of this

Wow, you have a reading, remembering and comprehension problem.

For you raised many issues in your post and the essence of my breaking your post is for you to see that I am addressing each of those issues YOU RAISED.

So, you have the burden of reading each and every one them AFTER ALL YOU WERE THE ONE WHO GAVE US THE FIRST BURDEN OF READING ALL THE ISSUES YOU RAISED.

So it is your turn now to read our reply.

And your response here also shows that you are a very lazy person who does NOT LIKE TO KNOW (meanwhile, you implied that you desired to know, but now, it appears that you are lying) neither do you like to work.

Well, it is your food and you can cook it in any manner you so choose, but it is you who shall still eat it.

Dtruthspeaker:
Still the same way we clash in the office and in our Communities over the implementation of an idea.




Which is the first proof of God. No one is seeking to establish you, whether rightly or wrong fully, anywhere, if they never knew you.

But because all nations have Truly had a contact with God, they therefore are able to talk about Him.

But the problem is and will be, Do they Rightly and Truly Speak and Establish Him?



The same way they imported their cars and phones and now Africans no longer walk from one village to another.

Like a chain saw vs cutlass, a much better product will always render the earlier product inferior.



First, I do not think this question is connected to your main question in this thread.

Secondly, it is their own story, therefore if black Africa is not relevant to the story, then they would not be there.

It is not reasonable to expect that when I am talking about my family, my neighbours and colleagues would be included.

We bomb and behead ourselves in our offices and communities to implement ideas? Which office is that?
That people seek to establish a franchise is proof of God? So why don't we cooperate with Boko Haram and do what they want? I do not think you comprehended what you quoted. let me repeat . I do not know if there is God . I have not said there is no God. So even if there is God why should I subscribe to any particular franchise or anyone's stories about God. We all know there is a Buhari but there are different stories about him. With God my position is we frst need to establish that. The fact that there are stories is not proof enough
I said people are seeking to establish a franchise of their claims about God meaning We should OBEY them and give them economic resources but crucially do so EXCLUSIVELY to THEM and no one else
Here you are talking about HIM .
How do you come to that position
So are you saying that just like with the Iphone there is a God1 God 2 God 3 ad infinitum?


My question about black Africa is totally related because we have two imported narratives that are dominant in Nigeria and so we must examine them and interrogate them to address that question. Perhaps it is that if there is God there are many and we have ours and they have theirs

aribisala0:
People build houses/walls to protect the contents human or otherwise from weather and several other things

We must be careful that the house does not change into a self constructed prison

The same is true for doctrines and ideologies

Creations are always in prisons. But which prison is and will be good for them?

That is the decision they have to make.

But do these creations know the prison that they first live in and have not yet changed? Most often, No.

Like you, they did not know that they are in prison, so naturally they would not be thinking of changing it

It appears to me that the idea of a God is tied to the idea humans have of their own importance in the universe.

So if humans thought they were no more relevant than a leaf or a worm or the sound of a horn in the general scheme of things they would not talk of a God

Now it is possible to worship a God or gods whilst acknowledging that you do not know or realizing that it is an INTERNAL reality .

For me there is no contradiction in that

I think where ther is a problem for me is the franchising when people insist that their idea of God or Gods is absolute reality that should be imposed by force if necessary

aribisala0:
Nice story for children but we are not

That people have asked questions for thousand of years does not mean there are no answers
In the last two hundred years we have discovered the motor car, aeroplanes, electricity, Televisionphones , internet and so on. Things we did not know for thousands of years we are discovering in decades We have eliminated many diseases etc
so we just might be getting closer to an answer

It may sound like kids tales but is not.

About the technology, let me say this, according to Muslim prophet Mohammed says angle Gabriel told him that " there will be a time that people will be flying on air" during that time the so called prophet only know two ways to transport oneceself to other places,is either horse,camel,donkey, bull or by foot,that's if you go by land.
If you go by water is either boats or ships.
The prophet never knew that the angle was talking about technology.He is dead for many years before the emerge of aeroplane.
The technology is part of God plan for men,that why everybody have it,some have in maximum while some have in minimum.
So us science and technology to tackle God experience because He's the one that gave us

aribisala0:
We bomb and behead ourselves in our offices and communities to implement ideas? Which office is that?

Ah I see, you are too young and inexperienced. So you have never gone to resident meetings and you are not aware of office fights and struggles, neither do you watch the news to see how your politicians throw blows, wiping each other with chairs over an idea.

I say, this with respect, the questions you asked are too big for you, which is why as you confessed, you had difficulty in comprehending my answer.

aribisala0:
...So why don't we cooperate with Boko Haram and do what they want?

When a lecturer asks you to give him your girlfriend, would you obey?

aribisala0:
I do not know if there is God . I have not said there is no God.

This is clearly contradictory. Those 2 statements are incompatible and cancel out each other exactly as "+1-1" is still Zero (0).

aribisala0:
So even if there is God

Now because your zeroness, you have no stand at all. You are now a ghost and unstable.

And it is vain arguing with ghosts.

aribisala0:
So even if there is God why should I subscribe to any particular franchise or anyone's stories about God.

That is your decision which is no different from you choosing which university you wish to attend or which job you wish to get or which car you wish to obtain.

Or you can choose not go to the university, get a job, marry a wife or obtain a car.

You were obviously not taught that living in this world is about choosing or refraining to choose, ALWAYS!

aribisala0:
With God my position is we frst need to establish that. The fact that there are stories is not proof enough...

See, now you have SHIFTED POST TO "NOT PROOF ENOUGH OF GOD but did you not clearly earlier say "I have not said there is no God"?

Nothing can be established on an instability.

Adamgeneral12:
It may sound like kids tales but is not.

About the technology, let me say this, according to Muslim prophet Mohammed says angle Gabriel told him that " there will be a time that people will be flying on air" during that time the so called prophet only know two ways to transport oneceself to other places,is either horse,camel,donkey, bull or by foot,that's if you go by land.
If you go by water is either boats or ships.
The prophet never knew that the angle was talking about technology.He is dead for many years before the emerge of aeroplane.
The technology is part of God plan for men,that why everybody have it,some have in maximum while some have in minimum.
So us science and technology to tackle God experience because He's the one that gave us

You are not saying anything that is objective or verifiable
I am not interested in pointless arguments
All I am saying is I do not know that there is God or not.
You are just expressing your ideas or beliefs that make sense to you they have no external validation
You have introduced another unverifiable character Gabriel
There are literally hundreds of such stories from around the world depending on where you come from

aribisala0:
It appears to me that the idea of a God is tied to the idea humans have of their own importance in the universe.

So if humans thought they were no more relevant than a leaf or a worm or the sound of a horn in the general scheme of things they would not talk of a God

Humans MUST speak about God because God, has shown them Himself.

Dtruthspeaker:
Ah I see, you are too young and inexperienced. So you have never gone to resident meetings and you are not aware of office fights and struggles, neither do you watch the news to see how your politicians throw blows, wiping each other with chairs over an idea.

I say, this with respect, the questions you asked are too big for you, which is why as you confessed, you had difficulty in comprehending my answer.



When a lecturer asks you to give him your girlfriend, would you obey?



This is clearly contradictory. Those 2 statements are incompatible and cancel out each other exactly as "+1-1" is still Zero (0).



Now because your zeroness, you have no stand at all. You are now a ghost and unstable.

And it is vain arguing with ghosts.



That is your decision which is no different from you choosing which university you wish to attend or which job you wish to get or which car you wish to obtain.

Or you can choose not go to the university, get a job, marry a wife or obtain a car.

You were obviously not taught that living in this world is about choosing or refraining to choose, ALWAYS!



See, now you have SHIFTED POST TO "NOT PROOF ENOUGH OF GOD but did you not clearly earlier say "I have not said there is no God"?

Nothing can be established on an instability.

People say there is God
The onus is for them to prove it so yes there is need for proof ?
What is difficult to grasp about that
I am open to proof. I Have not said there is no God that does not mean I accept there is God. I do not know
What is your point?

I have not made any comment about you you have persisted in making personal assumptions about me

What has being Young and inexperienced got to do with a question that is thousands of years old

The same label and kill approach that has gone on for generations

Can we focus on issues .Otherwise drop your comments without quoting me

aribisala0:
...All I am saying is I do not know that there is God or not...

You do not go to the doctor to tell him "I do not know if you are sick or not? Nor is it valid to say "I do not know if I am in nairaland or not".

Or shall you not call a person insane when he says "I do not know if I am inside or outside my house"?

You think it valid to be confused and you think people ought to address you based on your mental instability.

Well, time for psychiatrists to take over, they are the professionals in this area and not us.

Dtruthspeaker:
You do not go to the doctor to tell him "I do not know if you are sick or not? Nor is it valid to say "I do not know if I am in nairaland or not".

Or shall you not call a person insane when he says "I do not know if I am inside or outside my house"?

You think it valid to be confused and you think people ought to address you based on your mental instability.

Well, time for psychiatrists to take over, they are the professionals in this area and not us.

Best Wishes with the psychiatrists

Nothing has changed those who claim there is God insist on imposing that on those who ask questions and if possible kill them

Why is it so difficult to admit the obvious truth

We do not know. No one knows

aribisala0:
People say there is God
The onus is for them to prove it so yes there is need for proof ?
What is difficult to grasp about that
I am open to proof. I Have not said there is no God that does not mean I accept there is God. I do not know
What is your point?

Food is only to the hungry! S

o you can not say I am hungry for God therefore "Give me God" and still say "I have God".

Therefore, you should not be given God, because food is only given to the hungry

That is the madness you are displaying.

aribisala0:
Nothing has changed those who claim there is God insist on imposing that on those who ask questions and if possible kill them

Why is it so difficult to admit the obvious truth

We do not know. No one knows

True Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) have impressed LOVE in the heart of all our members so none of us should lift up weapons for any reason whatsoever.
You can't even find a single JW in Politics or Military services, so our own God say:

PREACH (PLEAD) with them but if they disagree take your leave peacefully, never you think of leading them by means of weapons or force! Matthew 26:52

If you agree with us we will compel you to vow before all people that you're now one of us and prepared to live by our peaceloving rules, then you become OUR BROTHER! Matthew 12:46-49; John 13:34-35
But if you disagree we will look for a common ground and continue cohabiting with you in peace as our NEIGHBOUR! Mark 12:30

So either ways we must not lift up weapons against you no matter what!

Dtruthspeaker:
Food is only to the hungry! S

o you can not say I am hungry for God therefore "Give me God" and still say "I have God".

Therefore, you should not be given God, because food is only given to the hungry

That is the madness you are displaying.

Thanks for your contribution
I think it is rude to say I am displaying madness because we do not share perspectives
I will not say the same back.
We are done I have nothing more to say to you.

aribisala0:
Thanks for your contribution
I think it is rude to say I am displaying madness because we do not share perspectives
I will not say the same back.
We are done I have nothing more to say to you.

I was simply saying that when a person is unstable, he is erratic and an erratic person is reasonably viewed to be insane.

No one likes to deal with unstable persons exactly as you would not like to sit on a shaky chair.

That is the beginning and end of my answer, no insult was intended to be given.

So continuing with the Topic of the thread

The question is

Is there really a God?

The idea that there is one is given to us by different religions around the world .
They all come with different stories and or commandments and are generally intolerant of dissent or questions
They make categorical affirmations about the NATURE of the God that they affirm and do not tolerate questions generally

My position is I still am not convinced , from the information available and my experience that such a thing exists.
I simply DO NOT KNOW

Perhaps it is unknowable, Hmm
But if it is knowable then perhaps the starting point for inquiry is to admit ignorance with an open mind

There’s no reliable evidence that a god exist

Monogamy:
Supernatural are forces beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature, which can't really be explained how they come about.

Dark energy is one of the supernatural things .. It is not even visible or be described how it looks like but it's damn real..

Dancing Aurora due to sun's particles interacting with earth gravitational field, that is visible. Dark energy is involved in that

Black hole, the spinning of a black hole could even be faster than the speed of light, place of no return

Btw, is the acclaimed religious people's God also comprehensible? What's the meaning of doing things in a mysterious way( unexplainable)

how did you know that there are forces beyond scientific explanation?

What method did you employ to figure this?

MaxInDHouse:
My name is Maximus, one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. Would you like me to join the ongoing discussion?

I joined one of your zoom meetings this morning. Your church zoom meeting.

Was God there?

God exists...
Know this and know peace...

El Elohe Yahshrael!

Let me start with this:

1 Kings 18: 21 Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the YHVH is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.”
But the people said nothing.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu Yah!

aribisala0:
You are not saying anything that is objective or verifiable
I am not interested in pointless arguments
All I am saying is I do not know that there is God or not.
You are just expressing your ideas or beliefs that make sense to you they have no external validation
You have introduced another unverifiable character Gabriel
There are literally hundreds of such stories from around the world depending on where you come from

I told you a story about a father and his son but you said is just a kids story,so what else did you expect from me and the rest of the people to tell you?
I can't force you to believe may be there is God or not.