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Stoplying:
@macof, sorry I don't read the comments of your troll infant.

1) If you knew anything about history then you would know that what matters for the study of history is not "history books" but historical documents. I know your education didn't go far enough to understand this concept.
"History" books about african history are often done by unprofessional bigots (or under their influences) and are filled with lies and fairytales and all sorts of fiction. That is why studying African history as an educated adult requires doing the work of a historian: seeking historical documents and going through them.

2) I am not interested in "anti-yoruba", I only seek to make hearing and seeing the truth an option to readers on nairaland. It is not my fault that yoruba tend to hate hearing the truth about themselves.

3) I couldn't even care less about yoruba except for the fact yoruba keep claiming my people and my heritage. So I shed a light on the history of Benin empire and put a nail kn the coffin of the fairytales of oduduwa and ogiso and oranmiyan.

4) Not contempt with my telling the truth about the history of my people which was documented by eyewitnesses, you and your yoruba followers including your transgender troll attacked me and harassed me and kept coming with more lies.

5) That is why I had to also study yoruba true history and expose it right here.

Stoplying:
Just chilling, walking towards the Eiffel tower.

Stoplying:
As I stand here in front of the greatest monument of mankind, I proclaim the truth:

There is one and only one Oba and he lives in Benin city.

Also, Osalobua bless my luck, greatest empire south of the sahara, greatest education in the world, greatest job in the world, greatest ancestors in the world, and making good money here in France.

Life is good.

Oba ghato kpere!!!

Isse !

macof:

Stoplying:
Before the ending of the holidays, I will book a train ticket to London, I need to go and take a look at their immense collection of Benin bronze.

The beautiful pictures and videos I will take ...
I get to see the faces of my medieval ancestors. How many africans have that kind of luck ...?

samuk:
[s]Benin is the pride of the black man in the world. After centuries of slavery and the dehumanisation of the black race by racist slaves masters, the Europeans citizens of the 1800s were made to believe that black Africans lacked civilisation, history and not capable of logical reasoning.

All these changed when thousands of Benin artifacts were exhibited in London in September 1897. Thousands of European citizens who went to the exhibition were through into confusion because Africans were not supposed to have developed the sort of civilisation capable of such intricate and sophisticated artefacts.

I have already shown with logical reasoning that Benin couldn't have had relationship with Ife without Ajayi Crowder writing about it in his 48 years of missionary life in Nigeria. The life of Ajayi Crowder saw the reigns of five Benin Obas, yet he made no reference to them having any relationship or interaction with Ife in his life time.

Those that want to believe the Benin/Ife connection that was fabricated after the fall of Benin in 1897, can continue to do so.[/s]

There were no mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in the eyewitness documented Benin history between 1400s to 1800s.

samuk:
[s]How could Ajayi Crowder have lived through the reigns of five obas of Benin and not have witnessed or heard about the followings:

1. The bodies of Obas of Benin who joined their ancestors taken to Ife for burial in the fabricated Oro Oba Ado burial site as the proponents of Benin/Ife relationship claimed.

2. Obas of Benin going to Ife for their beaded crowns or Ife sending Obas of Benin their beaded crowns as the defenders of the fallacious Benin/Ife relationship claimed.

3. Any of the five Oba of Benin going to Ife for visit after coronation. The Benin/Ife relationship trumpeters told us that it's customary for every Oba of Benin to visit Ife after coronation.

Why didn't Ajayi Crowder witness any of these and record them for posterity?

These are events that happen in the last 81 years before the fall of Benin in 1897. Ife is not even mentioned in Benin history in the last 81 years before the fall of Benin, yet someone is sounding like a broken record trying to say otherwise.

The British themselves did accept, infact it's widely accepted by the British that what their agents stating from Button wrote about Benin in nearly 40 years to the fall of Benin were grossly exaggerated, racially motivated and deliberately anti Benin because the Oba of Benin was see as a stumbling block to British interests in the territory controlled by the Oba of Benin. British agents in then Niger area portray Benin in negative lights to get the British government to remove the Oba they considered as their stumbling block. On the the other hand, the Alaafin literally fell on his knees to worship the British the first time he saw the white man in 1824.

1824 was the first time the Alaafin saw the white man and was willing to do anything for their comfort, unlike the Oba of Benin who the British saw as uncompromising.

This is the reason that the writings of the British about Benin starting from the 1860s is at great variance to early Europeans who were mostly in Africa for trade. The British didn't only came for trade but to colonised and those that they saw as stumbling blocks were given bad press and bad publicity while those they saw as good boys were elevated above others.[/s]

There were no mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in the eyewitness documented Benin history between 1400s to 1800s.

samuk:
How could Ajayi Crowder have lived through the reigns of five obas of Benin and not have witnessed or heard about the followings:

1. The bodies of Obas of Benin who joined their ancestors taken to Ife for burial in the fabricated Oro Oba Ado burial site as the proponents of Benin/Ife relationship claimed.

2. Obas of Benin going to Ife for their beaded crowns or Ife sending Obas of Benin their beaded crowns as the defenders of the fallacious Benin/Ife relationship claimed.

3. Any of the five Oba of Benin going to Ife for visit after coronation. The Benin/Ife relationship trumpeters told us that it's customary for every Oba of Benin to visit Ife after coronation.

Why didn't Ajayi Crowder witness any of these and record them for posterity?

These are events that happen in the last 81 years before the fall of Benin in 1897. Ife is not even mentioned in Benin history in the last 81 years before the fall of Benin, yet someone is sounding like a broken record trying to say otherwise.

The British themselves did accept, infact it's widely accepted by the British that what their agents stating from Button wrote about Benin in nearly 40 years to the fall of Benin were grossly exaggerated, racially motivated and deliberately anti Benin because the Oba of Benin was see as a stumbling block to British interests in the territory controlled by the Oba of Benin. British agents in then Niger area portray Benin in negative lights to get the British government to remove the Oba they considered as their stumbling block. On the the other hand, the Alaafin literally fell on his knees to worship the British the first time he saw the white man in 1824.

1824 was the first time the Alaafin saw the white man and was willing to do anything for their comfort, unlike the Oba of Benin who the British saw as uncompromising.

This is the reason that the writings of the British about Benin starting from the 1860s is at great variance to early Europeans who were mostly in Africa for trade. The British didn't only came for trade but to colonised and those that they saw as stumbling blocks were given bad press and bad publicity while those they saw as good boys were elevated above others.

samuk:
[s]How could Ajayi Crowder have lived through the reigns of five obas of Benin and not have witnessed or heard about the followings:

1. The bodies of Obas of Benin who joined their ancestors taken to Ife for burial in the fabricated Oro Oba Ado burial site as the proponents of Benin/Ife relationship claimed.

2. Obas of Benin going to Ife for their beaded crowns or Ife sending Obas of Benin their beaded crowns as the defenders of the fallacious Benin/Ife relationship claimed.

3. Any of the five Oba of Benin going to Ife for visit after coronation. The Benin/Ife relationship trumpeters told us that it's customary for every Oba of Benin to visit Ife after coronation.

Why didn't Ajayi Crowder witness any of these and record them for posterity?

These are events that happen in the last 81 years before the fall of Benin in 1897. Ife is not even mentioned in Benin history in the last 81 years before the fall of Benin, yet someone is sounding like a broken record trying to say otherwise.

The British themselves did accept, infact it's widely accepted by the British that what their agents stating from Button wrote about Benin in nearly 40 years to the fall of Benin were grossly exaggerated, racially motivated and deliberately anti Benin because the Oba of Benin was see as a stumbling block to British interests in the territory controlled by the Oba of Benin. British agents in then Niger area portray Benin in negative lights to get the British government to remove the Oba they considered as their stumbling block. On the the other hand, the Alaafin literally fell on his knees to worship the British the first time he saw the white man in 1824.

1824 was the first time the Alaafin saw the white man and was willing to do anything for their comfort, unlike the Oba of Benin who the British saw as uncompromising.

This is the reason that the writings of the British about Benin starting from the 1860s is at great variance to early Europeans who were mostly in Africa for trade. The British didn't only came for trade but to colonised and those that they saw as stumbling blocks were given bad press and bad publicity while those they saw as good boys were elevated above others.[/s]

There were no mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in the eyewitness documented Benin history between 1400s to 1800s.

Stoplying:
I don't know how many times I have said this already, you have to adopt a scientific way of thinking. Each sentence has a value of truth: 0 or 1. 0 for false and 1for true. The fact someone says a sentence doesn't imply it's truth value is 1. Also don't let yourselves to be abused by 419 people showing you a picture of Oba Akenzua and oni aderemi and claiming it was in ife, that picture was taken in Lagos.

Stoplying:
This took place in Lagos, Oba Akenzua.

Stoplying:
[s]This is the coronation of the Oba of Benin, notice that the oni of ifa is in attendance.


Also notice that the Oba of Benin did not attend the coronation of the oni of ifa.[/s]

r4bbit:
we all know " logic" it's basic science( lol fvcking learnt that shit in ss1 )
Forget sentiment... You have not proven anything... Sorry not sorry



Cc :TAO11

Stoplying:
Now, you see that ceremonial uniform of the Oba of Benin comes from his ancestors, the British looted it from oba Ovonramwen alongside the famous Benin bronzes, they gave it back to Oba Eweka or Oba Akenzua, I can't remember exactly.

Now just for the purpose of history, can someone show me a picture of the oni of ifa in the period of Oba Ovonramwen and his traditional attire, thank you.