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Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 12:59pm On May 09, 2020
Most people will think ogboni and olokun worship originated from the yoruba people but they have thought wrongly the yorubas under the canopy of oduduwa wants to steal our identity
The screenshot below shows the narrative of of the benin chiefs descendants who leaved in igbaraOke oke presently at ondo state stating how olokun worship was foreign to the igbaraOke people

Samuk
Valirex
Ghostwon
AreaFada2
Sarah20A

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 3:01pm On May 09, 2020
Yoruba owns ogboni. They merely brought it to u Benin. Nothing in what u posted from Benin net shows that for a fact that Benin owns ogbeni group.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by adee17: 3:24pm On May 09, 2020
In as much I understand the reason Edos may be jealous of their brother Yoruba. Although Edo is great but Yoruba is greater and elder is serving the younger as prophesied. But it is high time mods on this forum find something to do about this guy.@gregyboy is derailing the entire culture section with his wild claims. He is actually disturbing any reasonable discussion on any thread talking about Yoruba or he will create thread just to spite Yorubas and our ancestors. It is enough!
Moneywomen17:
Yoruba owns ogboni. They merely brought it to u Benin. Nothing in what u posted from Benin net shows that for a fact that Benin owns ogbeni group.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 3:27pm On May 09, 2020
adee17:
In as much I understand the reason Edos may be jealous of their brother Yoruba. Although Edo is great but Yoruba is greater and elder is serving the younger as prophesied. But it is high time mods on this forum find something to do about this guy.@gregyboy is derailing the entire culture section with his wild claims. He is actually disturbing any reasonable discussion on any thread talking about Yoruba or he will create thread just to spite Yorubas and our ancestors. It is enough!


Yoruba were never our brothers we have trashed that myth already.....

The yorubas call it for themselves they are encroaching on our history they should drawback
thier myth of an history will be safe

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by lawani: 3:36pm On May 09, 2020
They do not have ogboni in Benin.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 4:00pm On May 09, 2020
Moneywomen17:
Yoruba owns ogboni. They merely brought it to u Benin. Nothing in what u posted from Benin net shows that for a fact that Benin owns ogbeni group.

This is not benin net wise man

It insort a Yoruba article you need one again
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 4:03pm On May 09, 2020
adee17:
In as much I understand the reason Edos may be jealous of their brother Yoruba. Although Edo is great but Yoruba is greater and elder is serving the younger as prophesied. But it is high time mods on this forum find something to do about this guy.@gregyboy is derailing the entire culture section with his wild claims. He is actually disturbing any reasonable discussion on any thread talking about Yoruba or he will create thread just to spite Yorubas and our ancestors. It is enough!

To be sincere we are family friends not brothers
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 4:04pm On May 09, 2020
lawani:
They do not have ogboni in Benin.

Who said
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by AjaanaOka(m): 4:41pm On May 09, 2020
Was Ogboni traditionally an arm of goverment in Benin as it seems to have been in many southern Yoruba kingdoms?

I am not asking about the modern Reformed Ogboni which drew membership from ethnic groups besides the Yoruba. I am asking if Ogboni existed in pre-colonial Benin.

Documentary evidence will also be nice.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by lawani: 4:54pm On May 09, 2020
AjaanaOka:
Was Ogboni traditionally an arm of goverment in Benin as it seems to have been in many southern Yoruba kingdoms?

I am not asking about the modern Reformed Ogboni which drew membership from ethnic groups besides the Yoruba. I am asking if Ogboni existed in pre-colonial Benin.

Documentary evidence will also be nice.
there was no ogboni in Benin. I

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 5:14pm On May 09, 2020
a sec sch govt student knows that ogboni is as old as Oyo empire even older because you have it in Ile Ife. How old is Benin kingdom

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by lawani: 5:20pm On May 09, 2020
illicit:
a sec sch govt student knows that ogboni is as old as Oyo empire even older because you have it in Ile Ife. How old is Benin kingdom
of what use is an ogboni that can not remove a king. They have no ogboni in Benin.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 5:24pm On May 09, 2020
lawani:
of what use is an ogboni that can not remove a king. They have no onions in Benin.

their ogboni na wannabe

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TerraCotta(m): 8:05pm On May 09, 2020
AjaanaOka:
Was Ogboni traditionally an arm of goverment in Benin as it seems to have been in many southern Yoruba kingdoms?

I am not asking about the modern Reformed Ogboni which drew membership from ethnic groups besides the Yoruba. I am asking if Ogboni existed in pre-colonial Benin.

Documentary evidence will also be nice.

It is not, and the poster you’re referring to is unfortunately one of our under-educated young people. The article he’s citing is specifically about an Ijesa titleholder (it’s by JDY Peel), who was traditionally responsible for maintaining trade relationships with the Benin royal court. The implication of this is actually the opposite of what he’s trying to argue but I doubt that is quite clear to him yet. JDY Peel’s longer book (“Ijeshas and Nigerians”) is an excellent case study with more information.

The word ‘Ogboni’ itself is quite multifaceted. Anecdotally, it is used to mean ‘cousin’ or ‘relative’ in the Idaasha parts of modern-day Benin Republic, who are also sometimes thought to be connected to Ilesha and the complex of ‘Sha’-related ethnonyms in the Yoruba and Borgu-speaking areas.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by AreaFada2: 8:56pm On May 09, 2020
illicit:
a sec sch govt student knows that ogboni is as old as Oyo empire even older because you have it in Ile Ife. How old is Benin kingdom
Older than Ife. The second dynasty began in about 1170. This is the point Yoruba are claiming Oramiyan/Ododuwa founded the second dynasty. But critically looking at it, Oduduwa seems like a legendary mythical figure like King Arthur of England & Merlin, Saint George slaying the dragon, Romulus & Remus breast-fed by a wolf founding ancient Rome about 2,700 years ago, etc.

The first Benin dynasty lasted longer than the current one. Since at least 355 BC. There were other previous rulers though maybe not a powerful single ruler but an elders' council. Their leader was still a quasi king/chieftain. At least 2,500 years old in all as an organised entity led by a central figure. Probably longer even.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 11:05pm On May 09, 2020
TerraCotta:


It is not, and the poster you’re referring to is unfortunately one of our under-educated young people. The article he’s citing is specifically about an Ijesa titleholder (it’s by JDY Peel), who was traditionally responsible for maintaining trade relationships with the Benin royal court. The implication of this is actually the opposite of what he’s trying to argue but I doubt that is quite clear to him yet. JDY Peel’s longer book (“Ijeshas and Nigerians”) is an excellent case study with more information.

The word ‘Ogboni’ itself is quite multifaceted. Anecdotally, it is used to mean ‘cousin’ or ‘relative’ in the Idaasha parts of modern-day Benin Republic, who are also sometimes thought to be connected to Ilesha and the complex of ‘Sha’-related ethnonyms in the Yoruba and Borgu-speaking areas.


You're bigger than this, you should have outgrown anyform of tribalism by now


Even if you are to disagree come up with good valid point for disproval
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 11:41pm On May 09, 2020
gregyboy:



You're bigger than this, you should have outgrown anyform of tribalism by now


Even if you are to disagree come up with good valid point for disproval

u don’t get it gregboy. Everybody knows how u can’t comprehend even the most basic of things. U can not interpret what u read.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 2:49am On May 10, 2020
TerraCotta:


It is not, and the poster you’re referring to is unfortunately one of our under-educated young people. The article he’s citing is specifically about an Ijesa titleholder (it’s by JDY Peel), who was traditionally responsible for maintaining trade relationships with the Benin royal court. The implication of this is actually the opposite of what he’s trying to argue but I doubt that is quite clear to him yet. JDY Peel’s longer book (“Ijeshas and Nigerians”) is an excellent case study with more information.

The word ‘Ogboni’ itself is quite multifaceted. Anecdotally, it is used to mean ‘cousin’ or ‘relative’ in the Idaasha parts of modern-day Benin Republic, who are also sometimes thought to be connected to Ilesha and the complex of ‘Sha’-related ethnonyms in the Yoruba and Borgu-speaking areas.

Will be nice if you can explain the part of the article that says "the first Ogboni is said to have come from Igbo Bini (Benin forest)"..
if you say the "igbo bini" is Ijesa, does it mean Ijesa was actually part of Benin Kingdom?

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 2:50am On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
u don’t get it gregboy. Everybody knows how u can’t comprehend even the most basic of things. U can not interpret what u read.

so how do you comprehend better than him?
what do u understand by the article he posted? u guys will never stop twisting a simple english.. just debunk it rather than interpret it wrongly..
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 8:08am On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
u don’t get it gregboy. Everybody knows how u can’t comprehend even the most basic of things. U can not interpret what u read.


Lol...... Very funny tell me what i misread


You better bring it to the table so everyone here including me will review it,
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 8:27am On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
u don’t get it gregboy. Everybody knows how u can’t comprehend even the most basic of things. U can not interpret what u read.


Bleep you i interpreted what i read perfectly you should stop misquoting me out of dilusion


On the Oduduwa issue of non inexistence i have been saying that since inception i dont even need to read it from an article before i kept saying it
I Posted a screenshot to adress a diff issue instead u took the article left our debate and took the particular info to adress oduduwa existence are you not dump like that you and TAO11
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO11(f): 10:08am On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:


Bleep you i interpreted what i read perfectly you should stop misquoting me out of dilusion

On the Oduduwa issue of non inexistence i have been saying that since inception i dont even need to read it from an article before i kept saying it
I Posted a screenshot to adress a diff issue instead u took the article left our debate and took the particular info to adress oduduwa existence are you not dump like that you and TAO11

Did you just say Bleep you to him for saying what everyone already knows about you ---- that you're a ret@rded schizophrenic?? undecided Wow shocked

Wait! What have you been thinking?? That people take you seriously?? C'mon! Even ghostwon (an Edo like you) knows you have nothing upstairs.

Cc: Moneywomen17

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO11(f): 10:18am On May 10, 2020
AreaFada2:

Older than Ife. The second dynasty began in about 1170. This is the point Yoruba are claiming Oramiyan/Ododuwa founded the second dynasty. But critically looking at it, Oduduwa seems like a legendary mythical figure like King Arthur of England & Merlin, Saint George slaying the dragon, Romulus & Remus breast-fed by a wolf founding ancient Rome about 2,700 years ago, etc.

The first Benin dynasty lasted longer than the current one. Since at least 355 BC. There were other previous rulers though maybe not a powerful single ruler but an elders' council. Their leader was still a quasi king/chieftain. At least 2,500 years old in all as an organised entity led by a central figure. Probably longer even.

If I sama you e-slap with your moronic lying tongue!

No be only older than Ife. Na older than Egypt you for talk.

Where is the archaeological dating result?

You think every sane person buys into your nonsensical king list of Ogiso and pre-Ogiso jokes??

Bring archaeological results like that of Paul Ozanne or Robin Horton that have variously adduced archaeological evidence dating many settlements in the Ife bowl to at least 500BC.

Not your feel-good imaginations with which you Binis compensate desperately for your inferiority complex.

Nonsense and Oba Ovoranmwen.

cc: illicit

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 10:20am On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


Did you just say Bleep you to him for saying what everyone already knows about you ---- that you're a ret@rded schizophrenic?? undecided Wow shocked

Wait! What have you been thinking?? That people take you seriously?? C'mon! Even ghostwon (an Edo like you) knows you have nothing upstairs.

Cc: Moneywomen17


Lol, my last comment pain you
Post the pictures of your kpekus

Since you wont stop quoting i can be doing this with you.....

Smelly kpekus

A young lady wont be on this forum arguing on benin-ife is either you are what they call evening newspaper or you're one retarded male posing as a female
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by AreaFada2: 10:21am On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


If I sama you slap wuth your lying tongue!

No be only older than Ife.

Where is the archaeological dating result?

You think every sane person buts into your nonsensical king list of Ogiso and pre-Ogiso jokes??

Bring archaeological results like that of Paul Ozanne or Robin Horton that have variously adduced archaeological evidence dating many settlements in the Ife bowl to at least 500BC.

Not your feel-good imaginations with which you Binis compensate desperately for your inferiority complex.

Nonsense and Oba Ovoranmwen.
Agbaya, is that all the insults in your repertoire? You need to go to Ibadan or Ile-Ife (home of flying saucer from middle East Oduduwa) and learn more foul manmerd manners. grin

By sophisticated people's vulgar standards, that very lame.
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO11(f): 10:22am On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:



Lol, my last comment pain you
Post the pictures of your kpekus

Since you wont stop quoting i can be doing this with you.....

Smelly kpekus

A young lady wont be on this forum arguing on benin-ife is either you are what they call evening newspaper or you're one retarded male posing as a female

Is this how your mother raised you??

To ask for picture of kpekus (or what did you call it) on Nairaland.

You have indeed brought shame to the woman who raised you!

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO11(f): 10:24am On May 10, 2020
AreaFada2:

Agbaya, is that all the insults in your repertoire? You need to go to Ibadan and learn more manners. By sophisticated people's vulgar standards, that very lame.

But why do you lie, hoping not to be caught.


There is not one single archaeological dating result for settlements in Benin Kingdom that comes even remotely close to Ife.


If you all stop lying, then I will stop exposing and ridiculing you.

But if you all won't stop, then I am bent on making the Nairaland community see how low you Binis will lie to compensate for your inferiority complexes.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO11(f): 10:26am On May 10, 2020
AreaFada2:

Agbaya, is that all the insults in your repertoire? You need to go to Ibadan or Ile-Ife (home of flying saucer from middle East Oduduwa) and learn more foul manmerd manners. grin

By sophisticated people's vulgar standards, that very lame.

You mean to go to Benin City, the very town where Ogiso Igodo landed when he first set-off from the sky unaided without any parachute?? grin grin

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 10:27am On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


Is this how your mother raised you??

To ask for picture of kpekus (or what did you call it) on Nairaland.

You have indeed brought shame to the woman who raised you!


Lol, you see na were your sense reach

Everytime you try to bring your mother into the narrative who gives a Bleep if your mother didnt raise you well

She goat


You didnt even go to church to pray for husband and also to tell God to quench the firery tongue of yours



Old cargo

Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by AreaFada2: 10:34am On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:



Lol, my last comment pain you
Post the pictures of your kpekus

Since you wont stop quoting i can be doing this with you.....

Smelly kpekus

A young lady wont be on this forum arguing on benin-ife is either you are what they call evening newspaper or you're one retarded male posing as a female

Of course he's a cross dresser posing as a female. I used to think she's an intersex she-male. Even intersex learn good manners.

But by her replies, he is a very frustrated soul. You know those people who feel relevant when they can cause offence.

Feeling offended by their rants gives them satisfaction. Just ignore her.

What has become obvious is that sophisticated people do not have to make a song out of it. Manners show it.

You know in Edo culture bragging is not the norm. Saying I will beat, no try me o or such shakara.

Instead before you know it your head is rolling on the ground or if you are lucky slaps will have landed you on the floor.

It's about action. But these people shout, swear and make plenty of noise but very fearful and no action. grin

We keep complaining about their uncouth manners because it's strange to Edo people. But normal to them.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 10:39am On May 10, 2020
AreaFada2:

Of course he's a cross dresser posing as a female. I used to think she's an intersex she-male. Even intersex learn good manners.

But by her replies, he is a very frustrated soul. You know those people who feel relevant when they can cause offence.

Feeling offended by their rants gives them satisfaction. Just ignore her.

What has become obvious is that sophisticated people do not have to make a make a song out of it. Manners show it.

You know in Edo culture bragging is not the norm. Saying I will beat, no try me o or such shakara.

Instead before you know it your head is rolling on the ground or if you are lucky slaps will have landed you on the floor.

It's about action. But these people shout, swear and make plenty of noise but very fearful and no action. grin

We keep complaining about their uncouth manners because it's strange to Edo people. But normal to them.

Yes the itsekiri and the Europeans knew why they addressed the benin as angry people and called it a land of blood


Every yoruba we came in contact we defeated them even the village empire called oyo

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by AreaFada2: 10:41am On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


You mean to go to Benin City, the very town where Ogiso Igodo landed when he first set-off from the sky unaided without any parachute?? grin grin
Hahahaha. Again, the history of the elders from which the first ogiso emerged is out there. Ashanti have said the golden stool didn't come from the sky yet outsiders still claim so.

King Bling Frederick and Ooni in their writings about Oduduwa still do not match. Olugbo even claims seniority to Ooni.
Your people here still claim chain from the hill, sky, Egypt, Israel. grin

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