Let's debate. Tell me your thoughts.

Yah is not elevated if we worship him neither is he lessened if we don't, so why do you think it is necessary to do so? Food for thought.

Yah created us with free will, so should he be displeased if we choose not to worship him or is it truly about EGO

khia:
Let's debate. Tell me your thoughts.

Define Worship , and also who Yah is.

You are the one asking your questions and at the same time answering it.

khia:
Yah created us with free will, so should he be displeased if we choose not to worship him or is it truly about EGO

What exactly did Yah tell you when He supposedly created you with this free will you speak of?

Kobojunkie:
What exactly did Yah tell you when He supposedly created you with this free will you speak of?

Stop answering questions with questions, if you're not capable of debating this subject just move on to other topics, there's plenty you know. There's no need to troll.

khia:

Stop answering questions with questions, if you're not capable of debating this subject just move on to other topics, there's plenty you know. There's no need to troll.

Again, how do you define worship? You ask a question but you need to provide details to help others properly comprehend that which you are indeed asking.

I don't have mindreading capabilities hence the reason why I ask for clarification from you.

mountmoriah:
You are the one answering your questions and at the same time answering it.

I'm not answering my questions, it's called debating and I'm giving the readers something to debate, you get it?

khia:
Yah created us with free will, so should he be displeased if we choose not to worship him or is it truly about EGO

If someone gave you a well furnished house, a job and left a little note saying "if you need any other thing just call" would you not be very very full and thanks?

You obviously did not know that worship is simply the act of giving pure thanks to He Who has given us much good things and is still waiting to give us more.

So God is not begging us or compelling us to worship Him, but because we are very much aware that He has given us all the good things we have seen and experienced and we are indeed happy for receiving these gifts, we show our gratitude by thanking He Who has given us so so much.

That is the primary reason why we Worship The Lord for it is very natural for us to love He Who loved us and has proven His love for us by giving us many many good and wonderful things, we like.

Kobojunkie:
Again, how do you define worship? You ask a question but you need to provide details to help others properly comprehend that which you are indeed asking.

I don't have mindreading capabilities hence the reason why I ask for clarification from you.

I will ask the question so a child can understand it, if you still can't understand just move on.

Little one, can you tell me where in the scriptures God instructed Adam to WORSHIP him, dear?

Nevermind my definition of the word worship just show me the scripture where God instructed Adam to do so or admit there's no such scripture. Lose your false pride.

khia:

I'm not answering my questions, it's called debating and I'm giving the readers something to debate, you get it?

I got you, but their is no way you won't fall into sins with this kind of debate, there are something you don't need to question, like where are the pillars of the sun and moon, or why do u dream and see things that suppose to happen tomorrow and it will happen exactly like that, why do things happen in this world that science can't explain

khia:

I will ask the question so a child can understand it, if you still can't understand just move on.

Little one, can you tell me where in the scriptures God instructed Adam to WORSHIP him, dear?

Nevermind my definition of the word worship just show me the scripture where God instructed Adam to do so.

God required worship from Adam when God commanded Adam to obey Him in Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17

Worship, in the context of the Bible, means you submit to and obey God's commandments/Law. And from Adam to the last man, that is all God asks and continues to ask of man - Obey God!

mountmoriah:
I got you, but their is no way you won't fall into sins with this kind of debate, there are something you don't need to question, like where are the pillars of the sun and moon, or why do u dream and see things that suppose to happen tomorrow and it will happen exactly like that, why do things happen in this world that science can't explain

I'm not debating science today but scriptures. We sin everyday, so discussing the bible is a healthy discussion, that's how we learn.

Kobojunkie:
God required worship from Adam when God commanded Adam to obey Him in Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17

Worship, in the context of the Bible, means you submit to and obey God's commandments/Law. And from Adam to the last man, that is all God asks and continues to ask of man - Obey God!

Good, Good, Good, this is what I knew you were going to say and needed you to say it

1. We are required to obey our parents and elders does that mean we are required to worship them?

2. Primitive husbands expect their wives to submit to them, obey their rules, even bow down to them while serving them meals, does that mean those husbands are to be worshipped?

3. God never instructed Adam to worship him.

Dtruthspeaker:


If someone gave you a well furnished house, a job and left a little note saying "if you need any other thing just call" would you not be very very full and thanks?

You obviously did not know that worship is simply the act of giving pure thanks to He Who has given us much good things and is still waiting to give us more.

So God is not begging us or compelling us to worship Him, but because we are very much aware that He has given us all the good things we have seen and experienced and we are indeed happy for receiving these gifts, we show our gratitude by thanking He Who has given us so so much.

That is the primary reason why we Worship The Lord for it is very natural for us to love He Who loved us and has proven His love for us by giving us many many good and wonderful things, we like.

1. If someone did those things for me I would be very grateful and thank them for it but I wouldn't thank them Everytime I saw them I would rather pay it forward.

****2.***** This discussion is not my personal opinions it's an article I saw and I thought it would be an interesting debate.
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Dtruthspeaker I told you here.

3. Thank you for your opinions and input, very thought provoking.

khia:


1. If someone did those things for me I would be very grateful and thank them for it but I wouldn't thank them Everytime I saw them I would rather pay it forward.

When someone gives you a house, do you think thank you is enough to settle the debt? If you have been freely accommodated for a long duration or you have been thrown out of your house before, you would surely know that free shelter can not be paid for!

You are obviously young and under the protection of mummy and daddy. When you grow up and have a need for accommodation, then you would know the value of a house, not to even talk of a very nice house, which is also accompanied with free feeding etc.

There isn't any thing thought provoking about being thank full to A Person Who has given you great and mighty gifts.

khia:

Good, Good, Good, this is what I knew you were going to say and needed you to say it

1. We are required to obey our parents and elders does that mean we are required to worship them?

2. Primitive husbands expect their wives to submit to them, obey their rules, even bow down to them while serving them meals, does that mean those husbands are to be worshipped?

3. God never instructed Adam to worship him.

The kind of obedience God demands from man is not the kind that He commanded of those of the Old Covenant where He dictated that they honor their fathers and mothers. No, God demands that man submit to and obey His comandments and His commandments over that of any other god or master.
1. So when you simply obey your parents that does not amount to worship at all unless you also have your parents as gods over your existence. In that case, I will refer you to what God said in Jeremiah 17 vs 5.

2. Those you call primitive men obviously believe themselves god over those they command and those who submit to their whims do indeed worship them.

3. God commanded Adam to submit to and obey His Law or face judgement, hence God did indeed require that Adam to worship Him.

Kobojunkie:

The kind of obedience God demands from man is not the kind that He commanded of those of the Old Covenant where He dictated that they honor their fathers and mothers. No, God demands that man submit to and obey His comandments and His commandments over that of any other god or master.
1. So when you simply obey your parents that does not amount to worship at all unless you also have your parents as gods over your existence. In that case, I will refer you to what God said in Jeremiah 17 vs 5.

2. Those you call primitive men obviously believe themselves god over those they command and those who submit to their whims do indeed worship them.

3. God commanded Adam to submit to and obey His Law or face judgement, hence God did indeed require that Adam to worship Him.

1. My point exactly, God did not instruct Adam nor us to worship him but to keep his commandments, worshipping him is all man made through religion.

2. Those primitive men AKA Africans and Arabs are being divorced by those wives whom can no longer withstand their egos.

3. As a child if I broke my father's rules there would surely be punishment place upon me but that doesn't mean my father commanded me to worship him, only to respect, obey and love him as he loved me

khia:

1. My point exactly, God did not instruct Adam nor us to worship him but to keep his commandments, worshipping him is all man made through religion.

2. Those primitive men AKA Africans and Arabs are being divorced by those wives whom can no longer withstand their egos.

3. As a child if I broke my father's rules there would surely be punishment place upon me but that doesn't mean my father required me to worship him, only to respect, obey and love him as he loved me

1. I see that point went straight over your head there. The relationship between God and man is not that between you and your parents.

2. Not so in all cases.

3. As I already mentioned, the relationship between God and man is not the very same relationship that exists between a parent and child and so should not be mistaken as such.

A.God says those who love Him are those who keep His commandments. Your parents don't say the same, do they?
B. God says those who do not Trust only Him are cursed; I bet your parents don't have the same requirements of you now.
C. God says those who reject His Law must die. I bet your parents do not wield that much power over you, or do they?

The relationship between God and man is one of submission and obedience of the Law of God, a contract agreement/ Covenant where God's Law is Master over man - total submission of man's will to God's Will is what He demands.

khia:

Stop answering questions with questions, if you're not capable of debating this subject just move on to other topics, there's plenty you know. There's no need to troll.

That is not trolling! One must first understand what you mean. Imagine if your own worship is not the same as my own worship and we do not clarify it from the beginning!

budaatum:

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khia:

Let's debate. Tell me your thoughts.

When God created Adam and Eve did you see the phrase "WORSHIP ME" anywhere in the Bible book of Genesis chapter 1-3?

Well God never said anything about WORSHIP throughout His dealings with Adam and Eve so that means if God's servants later talks about WORSHIP what they had in mind is deeper than what you think!

MaxInDHouse:


When God created Adam and Eve did you see the phrase "WORSHIP ME" anywhere in the Bible book of Genesis chapter 1-3?

Well God never said anything about WORSHIP throughout His dealings with Adam and Eve so that means if God's servants later talks about WORSHIP what they had in mind is deeper than what you think!

I agree, thanks for your thoughts.

budaatum:


That is not trolling! One must first understand what you mean. Imagine if your own worship is not the same as my own worship and we do not clarify it from the beginning!

He was trolling me from one topic to this one with the same question. I didn't ask to give me your personal interpretation of the word worship I wanted to be shown in the scriptures where the word WORSHIP applied to Adam by God

You are welcome Sir!

khia:

I agree, thanks for your thoughts.

khia:

He was trolling me from one topic to this one with the same question. I didn't ask to give me your personal interpretation of the word worship I wanted to be shown in the scriptures where the word WORSHIP applied to Adam by God

He does troll like that, I do admit, but asking about worship as you have done without providing a personal interpretation is disingenuous because every single word we read or write is subject to one's own understanding and interpretation, unless you wish to read words literally, in which case the Bible might be far too advanced a book for you at the level you might be at.

Take my [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2010%3A25-37&version=NIV]favourite parable in the Bible[/url] for instance, where Christ is written to have said how one should worship God. In it, you'll see that the Priest and the Levite were on the way to 'worship' God as they understood God ought to be worshipped, but Christ said, Go and do as the Samaritan did.

Now, some might claim Christ was not talking about God worship in that parable, but for those with understanding, Christ clearly was.

MaxInDHouse:
You are welcome Sir!

I'm a woman.

Dtruthspeaker:


When someone gives you a house, do you think thank you is enough to settle the debt? If you have been freely accommodated for a long duration or you have been thrown out of your house before, you would surely know that free shelter can not be paid for!

You are obviously young and under the protection of mummy and daddy. When you grow up and have a need for accommodation, then you would know the value of a house, not to even talk of a very nice house, which is also accompanied with free feeding etc.

There isn't any thing thought provoking about being thank full to A Person Who has given you great and mighty gifts.

1. If someone GIVES me a house or anything from the goodness of their heart, there is no DEBT to be paid. When you truly give there is no expectations behind it but clearly you are too young and selfish to understand true giving.

To give with the expectations of receiving is sinful, as far as I'm concerned you can keep the gift if it comes with conditions and demands.

2. I am all grown up and have been providing for myself through the grace of Yah for 10 years and have worked hard to purchase my own house and cars. It's not easy but it's possible with determination and savings

3. Someone who is truly giving to me has me in their heart and I am very thankful for that. How can being grateful for someone's kindness not provoke thoughtfulness?

khia:

1. If someone GIVES me a house or anything from the goodness of their heart, there is no DEBT to be paid. When you truly give there is no expectations behind it but clearly you are too young and selfish to understand true giving.

When you receive a gift do you just walk away with it? No you don't! (Unless of cause you are an evil ungratefull kid)

Upon receipt of the gift YOU IMMEDIATELY HAVE A DEBT TO ALSO GIVE, To He Who Has Given You.

That is The Law of "Do unto others as you want done to you". (The Law of Reciprocity)

Therefore, God GAVE!

YOU AUTOMATICALLY HAVE A DEBT TO GIVE, IN FULFILMENT OF THE LAW.

Else, you Owe, The Law!

khia:

3. Someone who is truly giving to me has me in their heart and I am very thankful for that. How can being grateful for someone's kindness not provoke thoughtfulness?

And you have proven my Case.

We Christ Followers know and understand that ALL THE GOOD WE GET ARE GIFTS FROM GOD, THEREFORE, God is Always Giving To Us, AND THEREFORE, WE ARE ALWAYS FULL OF THANKS exactly as you have admitted

It Is That Thanks Which We Have Plenty of which WE GIVE IN RETURN TO HIM IN PRAISES AND THANKS-GIVING.

So while you keep your thanks to yourself, as you imply, We Do Not Keep Our Thanks To Ourselves, We Deliver Them To HIM, amongst our other givings, hence why it is called "Thanks Giving"!.

So it is settled then!

Thankfulness is just good manners, being that every good thing you are enjoying came from him. Hell is literally just a place without God... hence why it is the worst place in existence. In one of many near death experiences, someone said God described hell as "a place very real, but best not dwelled on".

Earth is a social experiment to determine if the random people generated by God's creation algorithm have what it takes to live peacefully in heaven.

This experiment began after the war in heaven. There is a lot of space vacant in heaven after 1/3 of it was expelled. God wants to populate it with free beings who naturally are attuned to harmonic and kingdom living...not those that have the propensity to become the rascals that instigated that war.

Dtruthspeaker:


When you receive a gift do you just walk away with it? No you don't! (Unless of cause you are an evil ungratefull kid)

Upon receipt of the gift YOU IMMEDIATELY HAVE A DEBT TO ALSO GIVE, To He Who Has Given You.

That is The Law of "Do unto others as you want done to you". (The Law of Reciprocity)

Therefore, God GAVE!

YOU AUTOMATICALLY HAVE A DEBT TO GIVE, IN FULFILMENT OF THE LAW.

Else, you Owe, The Law!



And you have proven my Case.

We Christ Followers know and understand that ALL THE GOOD WE GET ARE GIFTS FROM GOD, THEREFORE, God is Always Giving To Us, AND THEREFORE, WE ARE ALWAYS FULL OF THANKS exactly as you have admitted

It Is That Thanks Which We Have Plenty of which WE GIVE IN RETURN TO HIM IN PRAISES AND THANKS-GIVING.

So while you keep your thanks to yourself, as you imply, We Do Not Keep Our Thanks To Ourselves, We Deliver Them To HIM, amongst our other givings, hence why it is called "Thanks Giving"!.

So it is settled then!

I see you lack reading comprehension skills because I clearly stated that I would be thankful and grateful for what is given to me and through my appreciation I would PAY IT FORWARD which means blessing someone else the way I have been blessed.

Why would Yah need our praise and worship when he is all knowing and righteousness, why do he need our praising him to convince him how great he is?