₦airaland Forum

jesusjnr2020:
Perhaps "comparing" is what we've been compelled to do since those who ought to speak against such evils keep mute.

I have never heard you speak up against sexism, but strongly against feminism just as most Christian men do, which I noted in the Op.

Why is that?

jesusjnr2020:
Sexism Or Feminism? Which Is Worse?

For me, it's clearly sexism, because it's discriminatory and has led to the abuse of most women and also much domestic violence against them.

1) Even before a woman is born into the world, and still in the womb, she already faces discrimination and rejection from men and also some of her fellow women, like her inlaws, when they get to know find out that she's a girl not a boy as most of them desired her to be.

A girl child is more or less being treated as a second class citizen, with no rights or real value just for being female, while a male child is usually treated as a king and being accorded with much respect just because of his sex.

What a woman goes through in this world just because she's not male is better imagined than experienced.

Men still crucify and blame the woman for all their woes just as Adam did, because of mistake she made in the beginning, as if Adam was a nursing baby that was forced to eat the forbidden fruit. But even nursing babies are able to reject food they don't want.

She was punished for her sins, and that has resulted in a lot of suffering and bondage on her part, but the coming and death of Jesus was meant to also change that and redeem the woman from her sin and its consequences. However that seems not enough for men who want to still keep her in perpetual bondage forever, as they seem to still hold that grudge against her and haven't forgiven her yet.

This include many so-called Christians and church leaders who claim to be of God, yet were still doing everything possible to keep the woman under the bondage and curse of her sins, such as that which was broken by Jesus. But the church ought to be different from the world, and reflect the changes Jesus had made with respect to the redemption of the woman through His death, however they're not much different in the respect of the mistreatment of women, thereby making the efforts of Christ to redeem her to be of none effect in the church.

It baffles me the extent to which many so-called Christian men have no regard for the woman.

They still blame her for every mistake they make, as though, regardless of what she tempts them with, they cannot reject her temptations, and say "NO", as some men have proven to be possible in the Bible which they claim to be the Word of God, like Joseph the son of Jacob in the respect of Portiphar's wife.

They behave like the sexist' Pharisees, who brought only a woman to Jesus and said she was caught in the act of adultery, but couldn't see the blunder in that, as a woman cannot be caught in the act of adultery alone and without a man. John 8:3-5

Hence their sexism and hypocrisy was already clear to Jesus, prompting Him to ask anyone of them who had no sin to cast the first stone, because only leaving out the supposed man caught in act of adultery with her and bringing her alone was a sin in itself, since the Law they tried to use to justify their actions actually commanded that both the man and woman caught in the act to be stoned to death, not just the woman. John 8:6-7

That's the same way most Christian men, including church leaders, behave. For instance, you'd hear them speak constantly and consistently against feminism, but hardly mention anything about sexism which is much more evil and has done more damage to the church and Christian marriages as a whole, than anything feminism ever could.

Women are being mistreated and beaten by many of their Christian husbands among other things, but because of the sexist' mindset and manners of most churches, the men yet feel justified and encouraged to continue with such evils, as they're given the impression that they have all the right to do whatever they liked, while the woman has none and ought not to question them, because as the saying goes, "women ought to submit to their husbands!"

Such oppression is what actually leads to fights for freedom, just it is with racism, so I wouldn't be surprised that feminism in the church is actually a product of sexism in it, as it's one way women are trying to stand up for their rights and saying "enough is enough' for the mistreatment and abuses they've suffered as a result of sexism in the church.

So whatever it is about, it's wouldn't be intended to discriminate against the men or oppress them as sexism is, but to defend themselves and curtail the prejudices they suffer as a result of just being female.

The woman however is not absolved of all blame for her sufferings, because she's also responsible for some of them, and she would be punished for it as the woman, Eve, was in the beginning. But that doesn't mean that any woman who decides to do what's right, should still be punished and kept in perpetual bondage for the sins of another woman, even though she's been set free from it, just because she is a woman.

Jesus said that only one thing is needful, and that the woman who had chosen not to follow Eve's example, but to do things right instead, and place the Word of God above everything else, including men, had chosen that right part, which no one could take away from her. John 10:42

So if the church likes, they should continue being sexist towards the women, but according to this Jesus' saying, once a woman has chosen that right part of God's Word and placed it above everything else in her life, including men, there's nothing they can do to take away that part from her, because that's all a woman needs.

God bless.

DrGill:
Both are sh!tty
Humanity and Love should be everyone's watch word
THE FUTURE IS FEMALE

Blakjewelry:
Most of problems you mentioned have their origin in religion

jesusjnr2020:
Sexism Or Feminism? Which Is Worse?

For me, it's clearly sexism, because it's discriminatory and has led to the abuse of most women and also much domestic violence against them.

Even before a woman is born into the world, and still in the womb, she already faces discrimination and rejection from men and also some of her fellow women, like her inlaws, when they get to know find out that she's a girl not a boy as most of them desired her to be.

A girl child is more or less being treated as a second class citizen, with no rights or real value just for being female, while a male child is usually treated as a king and being accorded with much respect just because of his sex.

What a woman goes through in this world just because she's not male is better imagined than experienced.

Men still crucify and blame the woman for all their woes just as Adam did, because of mistake she made in the beginning, as if Adam was a nursing baby that was forced to eat the forbidden fruit. But even nursing babies are able to reject food they don't want.

She was punished for her sins, and that has resulted in a lot of suffering and bondage on her part, but the coming and death of Jesus was meant to also change that and redeem the woman from her sin and its consequences. However that seems not enough for men who want to still keep her in perpetual bondage forever, as they seem to still hold that grudge against her and haven't forgiven her yet.

This include many so-called Christians and church leaders who claim to be of God, yet were still doing everything possible to keep the woman under the bondage and curse of her sins, such as that which was broken by Jesus. But the church ought to be different from the world, and reflect the changes Jesus had made with respect to the redemption of the woman through His death, however they're not much different in the respect of the mistreatment of women, thereby making the efforts of Christ to redeem her to be of none effect in the church.

It baffles me the extent to which many so-called Christian men have no regard for the woman.

They still blame her for every mistake they make, as though, regardless of what she tempts them with, they cannot reject her temptations, and say "NO", as some men have proven to be possible in the Bible which they claim to be the Word of God, like Joseph the son of Jacob in the respect of Portiphar's wife.

They behave like the sexist' Pharisees, who brought only a woman to Jesus and said she was caught in the act of adultery, but couldn't see the blunder in that, as a woman cannot be caught in the act of adultery alone and without a man. John 8:3-5

Hence their sexism and hypocrisy was already clear to Jesus, prompting Him to ask anyone of them who had no sin to cast the first stone, because only leaving out the supposed man caught in act of adultery with her and bringing her alone was a sin in itself, since the Law they tried to use to justify their actions actually commanded that both the man and woman caught in the act to be stoned to death, not just the woman. John 8:6-7

That's the same way most Christian men, including church leaders, behave. For instance, you'd hear them speak constantly and consistently against feminism, but hardly mention anything about sexism which is much more evil and has done more damage to the church and Christian marriages as a whole, than anything feminism ever could.

Women are being mistreated and beaten by many of their Christian husbands among other things, but because of the sexist' mindset and manners of most churches, the men yet feel justified and encouraged to continue with such evils, as they're given the impression that they have all the right to do whatever they liked, while the woman has none and ought not to question them, because as the saying goes, "women ought to submit to their husbands!"

Such oppression is what actually leads to fights for freedom, just it is with racism, so I wouldn't be surprised that feminism in the church is actually a product of sexism in it, as it's one way women are trying to stand up for their rights and saying "enough is enough' for the mistreatment and abuses they've suffered as a result of sexism in the church.

So whatever it is about, it's wouldn't be intended to discriminate against the men or oppress them as sexism is, but to defend themselves and curtail the prejudices they suffer as a result of just being female.

The woman however is not absolved of all blame for her sufferings, because she's also responsible for some of them, and she would be punished for it as the woman, Eve, was in the beginning. But that doesn't mean that any woman who decides to do what's right, should still be punished and kept in perpetual bondage for the sins of another woman, even though she's been set free from it, just because she is a woman.

Jesus said that only one thing is needful, and that the woman who had chosen not to follow Eve's example, but to do things right instead, and place the Word of God above everything else, including men, had chosen that right part, which no one could take away from her. John 10:42

So if the church likes, they should continue being sexist towards the women, but according to this Jesus' saying, once a woman has chosen that right part of God's Word and placed it above everything else in her life, including men, there's nothing they can do to take away that part from her, because that's all a woman needs.

God bless.

saphiere:
Feminism worse?

Op you are sick seriously.

saphiere:
Feminism worse?

Op you are sick seriously.

BRATISLAVA:
Righteousness

Feminism isn't evil. It is like white people saying racial equally is evil.

And if they are both evil, why have pastors neglected talking about the large number of men who use masochist cults like the incels, red pill and men going their own way to demean, oppress and abuse women? These are rebellious male cults and pastors need to talk about them more than the attention they give anything to do with women.

Or maybe they are quiet about them because they support and believe those evils as men.

If men treated women well, there would be no feminism. The root cause needs exposing and treatment. Not hiding from it. Because we don't want to compare it, we end up allowing a greater evil to fester.

Check the news on what sexism/masochism has caused. Recently a young man shot to death several people including his own mother because in his male cult they all hate women and down grade feminists. They believe they are superior and women owe them preference.

In African homes, they go to church to fight feminism and return home to beat and oppress their wives because of what? Is that living as God wanted it?

bukatyne:
Stealing or lying, which is worse?

Adultery or fornication, which is worse?

jesusjnr2020:
Sexism Or Feminism? Which Is Worse?

For me, it's clearly sexism, because it's discriminatory and has led to the abuse of most women and also much domestic violence against them.

Even before a woman is born into the world, and still in the womb, she already faces discrimination and rejection from men and also some of her fellow women, like her inlaws, when they get to know find out that she's a girl not a boy as most of them desired her to be.

A girl child is more or less being treated as a second class citizen, with no rights or real value just for being female, while a male child is usually treated as a king and being accorded with much respect just because of his sex.

What a woman goes through in this world just because she's not male is better imagined than experienced.

Men still crucify and blame the woman for all their woes just as Adam did, because of mistake she made in the beginning, as if Adam was a nursing baby that was forced to eat the forbidden fruit. But even nursing babies are able to reject food they don't want.

She was punished for her sins, and that has resulted in a lot of suffering and bondage on her part, but the coming and death of Jesus was meant to also change that and redeem the woman from her sin and its consequences. However that seems not enough for men who want to still keep her in perpetual bondage forever, as they seem to still hold that grudge against her and haven't forgiven her yet.

This include many so-called Christians and church leaders who claim to be of God, yet were still doing everything possible to keep the woman under the bondage and curse of her sins, such as that which was broken by Jesus. But the church ought to be different from the world, and reflect the changes Jesus had made with respect to the redemption of the woman through His death, however they're not much different in the respect of the mistreatment of women, thereby making the efforts of Christ to redeem her to be of none effect in the church.

It baffles me the extent to which many so-called Christian men have no regard for the woman.

They still blame her for every mistake they make, as though, regardless of what she tempts them with, they cannot reject her temptations, and say "NO", as some men have proven to be possible in the Bible which they claim to be the Word of God, like Joseph the son of Jacob in the respect of Portiphar's wife.

They behave like the sexist' Pharisees, who brought only a woman to Jesus and said she was caught in the act of adultery, but couldn't see the blunder in that, as a woman cannot be caught in the act of adultery alone and without a man. John 8:3-5

Hence their sexism and hypocrisy was already clear to Jesus, prompting Him to ask anyone of them who had no sin to cast the first stone, because only leaving out the supposed man caught in act of adultery with her and bringing her alone was a sin in itself, since the Law they tried to use to justify their actions actually commanded that both the man and woman caught in the act to be stoned to death, not just the woman. John 8:6-7

That's the same way most Christian men, including church leaders, behave. For instance, you'd hear them speak constantly and consistently against feminism, but hardly mention anything about sexism which is much more evil and has done more damage to the church and Christian marriages as a whole, than anything feminism ever could.

Women are being mistreated and beaten by many of their Christian husbands among other things, but because of the sexist' mindset and manners of most churches, the men yet feel justified and encouraged to continue with such evils, as they're given the impression that they have all the right to do whatever they liked, while the woman has none and ought not to question them, because as the saying goes, "women ought to submit to their husbands!"

Such oppression is what actually leads to fights for freedom, just it is with racism, so I wouldn't be surprised that feminism in the church is actually a product of sexism in it, as it's one way women are trying to stand up for their rights and saying "enough is enough' for the mistreatment and abuses they've suffered as a result of sexism in the church.

So whatever it is about, it's wouldn't be intended to discriminate against the men or oppress them as sexism is, but to defend themselves and curtail the prejudices they suffer as a result of just being female.

The woman however is not absolved of all blame for her sufferings, because she's also responsible for some of them, and she would be punished for it as the woman, Eve, was in the beginning. But that doesn't mean that any woman who decides to do what's right, should still be punished and kept in perpetual bondage for the sins of another woman, even though she's been set free from it, just because she is a woman.

Jesus said that only one thing is needful, and that the woman who had chosen not to follow Eve's example, but to do things right instead, and place the Word of God above everything else, including men, had chosen that right part, which no one could take away from her. John 10:42

So if the church likes, they should continue being sexist towards the women, but according to this Jesus' saying, once a woman has chosen that right part of God's Word and placed it above everything else in her life, including men, there's nothing they can do to take away that part from her, because that's all a woman needs.

God bless.

jesusjnr2020:
Sexism Or Feminism? Which Is Worse?

For me, it's clearly sexism, because it's discriminatory and has led to the abuse of most women and also much domestic violence against them.

Even before a woman is born into the world, and still in the womb, she already faces discrimination and rejection from men and also some of her fellow women, like her inlaws, when they get to know find out that she's a girl not a boy as most of them desired her to be.

A girl child is more or less being treated as a second class citizen, with no rights or real value just for being female, while a male child is usually treated as a king and being accorded with much respect just because of his sex.

What a woman goes through in this world just because she's not male is better imagined than experienced.

Men still crucify and blame the woman for all their woes just as Adam did, because of mistake she made in the beginning, as if Adam was a nursing baby that was forced to eat the forbidden fruit. But even nursing babies are able to reject food they don't want.

She was punished for her sins, and that has resulted in a lot of suffering and bondage on her part, but the coming and death of Jesus was meant to also change that and redeem the woman from her sin and its consequences. However that seems not enough for men who want to still keep her in perpetual bondage forever, as they seem to still hold that grudge against her and haven't forgiven her yet.

This include many so-called Christians and church leaders who claim to be of God, yet were still doing everything possible to keep the woman under the bondage and curse of her sins, such as that which was broken by Jesus. But the church ought to be different from the world, and reflect the changes Jesus had made with respect to the redemption of the woman through His death, however they're not much different in the respect of the mistreatment of women, thereby making the efforts of Christ to redeem her to be of none effect in the church.

It baffles me the extent to which many so-called Christian men have no regard for the woman.

They still blame her for every mistake they make, as though, regardless of what she tempts them with, they cannot reject her temptations, and say "NO", as some men have proven to be possible in the Bible which they claim to be the Word of God, like Joseph the son of Jacob in the respect of Portiphar's wife.

They behave like the sexist' Pharisees, who brought only a woman to Jesus and said she was caught in the act of adultery, but couldn't see the blunder in that, as a woman cannot be caught in the act of adultery alone and without a man. John 8:3-5

Hence their sexism and hypocrisy was already clear to Jesus, prompting Him to ask anyone of them who had no sin to cast the first stone, because only leaving out the supposed man caught in act of adultery with her and bringing her alone was a sin in itself, since the Law they tried to use to justify their actions actually commanded that both the man and woman caught in the act to be stoned to death, not just the woman. John 8:6-7

That's the same way most Christian men, including church leaders, behave. For instance, you'd hear them speak constantly and consistently against feminism, but hardly mention anything about sexism which is much more evil and has done more damage to the church and Christian marriages as a whole, than anything feminism ever could.

Women are being mistreated and beaten by many of their Christian husbands among other things, but because of the sexist' mindset and manners of most churches, the men yet feel justified and encouraged to continue with such evils, as they're given the impression that they have all the right to do whatever they liked, while the woman has none and ought not to question them, because as the saying goes, "women ought to submit to their husbands!"

Such oppression is what actually leads to fights for freedom, just it is with racism, so I wouldn't be surprised that feminism in the church is actually a product of sexism in it, as it's one way women are trying to stand up for their rights and saying "enough is enough' for the mistreatment and abuses they've suffered as a result of sexism in the church.

So whatever it is about, it's wouldn't be intended to discriminate against the men or oppress them as sexism is, but to defend themselves and curtail the prejudices they suffer as a result of just being female.

The woman however is not absolved of all blame for her sufferings, because she's also responsible for some of them, and she would be punished for it as the woman, Eve, was in the beginning. But that doesn't mean that any woman who decides to do what's right, should still be punished and kept in perpetual bondage for the sins of another woman, even though she's been set free from it, just because she is a woman.

Jesus said that only one thing is needful, and that the woman who had chosen not to follow Eve's example, but to do things right instead, and place the Word of God above everything else, including men, had chosen that right part, which no one could take away from her. John 10:42

So if the church likes, they should continue being sexist towards the women, but according to this Jesus' saying, once a woman has chosen that right part of God's Word and placed it above everything else in her life, including men, there's nothing they can do to take away that part from her, because that's all a woman needs.

God bless.

DEMZEE:
Fornication and adultery are both buffers in religion against male sexual mating strategy and women sexual mating strategy

bukatyne:
Meaning?

BRATISLAVA:
Righteousness

Feminism isn't evil. It is like white people saying racial equally is evil.

And if they are both evil, why have pastors neglected talking about the large number of men who use masochist cults like the incels, red pill and men going their own way to demean, oppress and abuse women? These are rebellious male cults and pastors need to talk about them more than the attention they give anything to do with women.

Or maybe they are quiet about them because they support and believe those evils as men.

If men treated women well, there would be no feminism. The root cause needs exposing and treatment. Not hiding from it. Because we don't want to compare it, we end up allowing a greater evil to fester.

Check the news on what sexism/masochism has caused. Recently a young man shot to death several people including his own mother because in his male cult they all hate women and down grade feminists. They believe they are superior and women owe them preference.

In African homes, they go to church to fight feminism and return home to beat and oppress their wives because of what? Is that living as God wanted it?

urchcoded:
Both are toxic. From the biblical perspective, you cannot be a christian and feminist. No, you have to submit, or keep quiet and let a man speak. This means a lot. Of course, it's an ancient book, written when women had little or no value. They were actually commodities. As times changed, people realized that the old testament was too old and could not represent the realities of the recent times, hence the new testament came about, which took to account the realities of the changing times. Well as far as I'm concerned, the new testament is now old and should be updated to accommodate the realities of today at least women shouldn't be told to shut up and wait for someone to talk because the person has a penis. Anyway, naturally, there is no balance to this gender issue, you can modify nature or tweak it and get away with the consequences some of the time, but never always. Most times, nature has a way of reminding you that you have altered something fundamental and the more you try to repair it the more it scatters further. In other words, apply caution in seeking so called equality between men and women, it has consequences. Some, you may override, some will lead to a ripple of chaos in the family, society and the world at large.

DEMZEE:
Fornication and adultery are buffers against human sexual biology.

Men are designed to be promiscuous, women are not, male's sexual mating strategy is fucking as many women as possible and women mating strategy is alpha bleeps short term //beta bucks long term.

Religion invented marriage to ensure both genders compromise on their mating strategies and reach a conclusion.

bukatyne:
The topic is controversial and different from the OP.

I think 'Sexism or better put 'Misogyny in the Church's is a better title because you are dealing with sexism from one angle: man to woman.

That said, I have opened a thread on same issue. While I have not noticed the general misogyny in the Church (outside marriage), the Nigerian church greatly enables terrible husbands.

Greatly.

That's why any woman who claims to be a Christian should study the Bible and know what is expected of a Christian husband and demand it in her future spouse.