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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by MaziAlaye(m): 12:19pm On Aug 16, 2021
Biden suckers never disappoint lmao.. they blame trump for the withdrawal like he's still the president.. Trump had his plans, while Biden made his implementation.
Can't blame somebody who isn't even in charge during the event. Lol y'all try so hard. Elected a guy who couldn't do the job during the campaign and wonder why it doesn't work out.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 12:25pm On Aug 16, 2021
MaziAlaye:
Biden suckers never disappoint lmao.. they blame trump for the withdrawal like he's still the president.. Trump had his plans, while Biden made his implementation.
Can't blame somebody who isn't even in charge during the event. Lol y'all try so hard. Elected a guy who couldn't do the job during the campaign and wonder why it doesn't work out.

Biden did not even consult with their allies. They are crazy lol. NATO is a joke since Obama. Trump tried to straightened them up but Biden is back to turn them into LGBT instead of NATO

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by MaziAlaye(m): 12:53pm On Aug 16, 2021
benalvino3:


Biden did not even consult with their allies. They are crazy lol. NATO is a joke since Obama. Trump tried to straightened them up but Biden is back to turn them into LGBT instead of NATO
It's gonna be a long 4yrs for them coz they'll continue to blame trump for Biden's ineptitude

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 12:57pm On Aug 16, 2021
basilico:


The withdraw of troops required negotiation with a relevant stakeholder , the Taliban. Its now more apparent that they are the force to reckon with.
The co-founder was in jail.You cannot negotiate for peace while the co-founder is in jail.

But leftists always have better suggestions. Let's hear yours or the Biden administration.

--- From the look of things---the Afghanis want the Taliban to rule them because there's no way the Taliban with few thousands militias should overpower the highly trained Afghan forces (trillions of USD spent) without the full cooperation of Afghanis---reports abound of Afghan soldiers fleeing to neighbouring countries or in some cases willingly surrendering to the Talibans---

---No matter the foreign intervention (even the Russians tried in the 1980s) the will of the people will always triumph ---https://www.voanews.com/us-afghanistan-troop-withdrawal/pakistan-repatriates-afghan-soldiers-who-crossed-border-face

---This always happens with wars the US have involved themselves with over the past 60 years---North Korea remained communist and did not become democratic after the Korean War---Vietnam remained communist as well---Iraq became even more hardline with ISIS---Cuba did not budge and is still Castro country---Afghanistan is sticking with the Taliban---The US intervention often leads to the opposite effect of what's intended---
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 1:05pm On Aug 16, 2021
MaziAlaye:

It's gonna be a long 4yrs for them coz they'll continue to blame trump for Biden's ineptitude
Liberals' attitude to this whole disaster is quite predictable. I knew they would blame Trump just to shield Biden. According to them when Biden screws up, just scream 'Orange man bad'. They forget that the bucks stop at the table of the Commander In Chief, and he makes the final decision.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 1:19pm On Aug 16, 2021
---latest photos from Kabul---crowd surrounding the US Air Force Aircraft---

https://twitter.com/i/status/1427202316512514050

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 1:24pm On Aug 16, 2021
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 1:25pm On Aug 16, 2021
obixcel:
Liberals' attitude to this whole disaster is quite predictable. I knew they would blame Trump just to shield Biden. According to them when Biden screws up, just scream 'Orange man bad'. They forget that the bucks stop at the table of the Commander In Chief, and he makes the final decision.

---There is plenty of blame to place on each of George W. Bush (the originator), Barack Obama (the enabler), Donald Trump (the negotiator), and Joe Biden (the facilitator) about the Afghanistan failure but this picture of Sec of State Mike Pompeo and Taliban leader Mullar Baradar will live in infamy---

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 1:33pm On Aug 16, 2021
feedthenation:


---There is plenty of blame to place on each of George W. Bush (the originator), Barack Obama (the enabler), Donald Trump (the negotiator), and Joe Biden (the facilitator) about the Afghanistan failure but this picture of Sec of State Mike Pompeo and Taliban leader Mullar Baradar will live in infamy---

Leave Obama, trump and Bush on this one. Biden is to blame. We are talking about this now not the before

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tdotbluejays: 1:47pm On Aug 16, 2021
If they like, it shouldn't be over. They can now fight amongst themselves. They are all Afghans.

After being in Afghanistan for so long, Thank you Biden for having the balls to pull the US out just like Canada and Britain did back in 2014. Another minute, day, week, month, year or decade would not have changed the outcome. Someone was always going to get the US out.


The War is Over:
President Ashraf Ghani fled the country on Sunday as the Islamist militants entered the capital virtually unopposed, saying he wanted to avoid bloodshed, while hundreds of Afghans desperate to leave flooded Kabul airport.

“Today is a great day for the Afghan people and the mujahideen.

“They have witnessed the fruits of their efforts and their sacrifices for 20 years,” Mohammad Naeem, the spokesman for the Taliban’s political office, told Al Jazeera TV.

“Thanks to God, the war is over in the country,” he added.

It took the Taliban just over a week to seize control of the country after a lightning sweep that ended in Kabul as government forces trained for years and equipped by the U.S. and others at a cost of billions of dollars, melted away.

Al Jazeera broadcast footage of what it said were Taliban commanders in the presidential palace with dozens of armed fighters.

Naeem said the form of the new regime in Afghanistan would be made clear soon, adding the Taliban did not want to live in isolation and calling for peaceful international relations.

“We have reached what we were seeking, which is the freedom of our country and the independence of our people,” he said, adding: “We will not allow anyone to use our lands to target anyone, and we do not want to harm others.”

A Taliban leader told Reuters the insurgents were regrouping from different provinces, and would wait until foreign forces had left before creating a new governance structure.

The leader, who requested anonymity, said Taliban fighters had been “ordered to allow Afghans to resume daily activities and do nothing to scare civilians”.

“Normal life will continue in a much better way, that’s all I can say for now,” he told Reuters in a message.

Central Kabul streets were largely deserted early on a sunny Monday as waking residents pondered their future.

“I’m in a complete state of shock,” said Sherzad Karim Stanekzai, who spent the night in his carpet shop to guard it.

“I know there will be no foreigners, no international people who will now come to Kabul.”

The militants sought to project a more moderate face, promising to respect women’s rights and protect both foreigners and Afghans.

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern called for the Taliban to uphold human rights and said the world was watching: “It’s going to be all about the actions, not the words.”

A U.S. State Department spokesperson said early on Monday that all embassy personnel, including Ambassador Ross Wilson, had been transferred to Kabul airport, mostly by helicopter, to await
evacuation and the American flag had been lowered and removed from the embassy compound.

Hundreds of Afghans invaded the airport’s runways in the dark, pulling luggage and jostling for a place on one of the last commercial flights to leave before U.S. forces took over air traffic control on Sunday.

“This is our airport but we are seeing diplomats being evacuated while we wait in complete uncertainty,” said Rakhshanda Jilali, a human rights activist who was trying to get to Pakistan, told Reuters in a message from the airport.

U.S. forces managing the airport fired into the air to stop Afghans surging onto the tarmac to try to board a military flight, a U.S. official said.

Dozens of men tried to clamber up onto an overhead departure gangway to board a plane while hundreds of others milled about, a video posted on social media showed.

The Pentagon on Sunday authorised another 1,000 troops to help evacuate U.S. citizens and Afghans who worked for them, expanding its security presence on the ground to almost 6,000 troops within the next 48 hours.

More than 60 western countries, including the U.S., Britain, France, and Japan, issued a joint statement saying all Afghans and international citizens who wanted to leave must be allowed to do so.


Western nations, including France, Germany, and New Zealand said they were working to get citizens as well as some Afghan employees out.

Russia said it saw no need to evacuate its embassy for the time being while Turkey said its embassy would continue operations.

In a Facebook post, Ghani said he had left the country to avoid clashes with the Taliban that would endanger millions of Kabul residents.

Some social media users branded Ghani, who did not disclose his location, a coward for leaving them in chaos.

Many Afghans fear the Taliban will return to past harsh practices in their imposition of sharia religious law.

During their 1996-2001 rule, women could not work and punishments such as stoning, whipping, and hanging were administered.

Meanwhile, U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has urged all parties to exercise the utmost restraint, and expressed particular concern about the future of women and girls.

In Washington, opponents of President Joe Biden’s decision to end America’s longest war, launched after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, said the chaos was caused by a failure of leadership.

Biden has faced rising domestic criticism after sticking to a plan, initiated by his Republican predecessor, Donald Trump, to end the U.S. military mission by Aug. 31.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell blamed Biden for what he called a “shameful failure of American leadership”.

“Terrorists and major competitors like China are watching the embarrassment of a superpower laid low,” McConnell said.

Naeem said the Taliban would adopt an international policy of two-way non-interference.

“We do not think that foreign forces will repeat their failed experience,” he said. (Reuters/NAN)

https://www.nairaland.com/6704353/war-over-taliban-declares

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 1:52pm On Aug 16, 2021
benalvino3:


Leave Obama, trump and Bush on this one. Biden is to blame. We are talking about this now not the before

The appreciated person below responds to you better than I can.

dohyn:
Trump is just an idiot who wants relevancy in any way possible and as usual, his fans have started mastur*bating all over this post.
This ultimately is an American failure, right from Bush jnr to Obama, trump and now Biden is left with the mess.
trump escalated this by negotiating with the Taliban and releasing 5000 taliban prisoners. He even invited the Taliban to Camp David for crying out loud!!!He was going to pull out of Afghanistan, Biden just finished the process.

That's his secretary of state negotiating with Taliban behind the back of the Afghan government. They laid the plans for this shit show to happen and then, turn around to blame Biden?

Anyways, if the Afghans too haven't learnt how to tackle Taliban in the 20 years that the West has been in their country, then shame to them. They just rolled over with no fight.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tdotbluejays: 1:53pm On Aug 16, 2021
feedthenation:


---Trump signed the deal with the Taliban---effectively it shows the Talibans have always been in power---because how can they just takeover the country within a short period of time---Biden is just following through with the agreement to pull US troops out of an independent nation---
---The GOPs and MAGAs have been saying for many years that the US should pull out all its military resources from Afghanistan---now this has been done---they quickly blamed Biden for exactly what Trump would have done if he had won his 2nd term---

---The document below praising Trump was on the RNC website before it was removed---
Why did they remove it though. grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tdotbluejays: 1:54pm On Aug 16, 2021
budaatum:


The appreciated person below responds to you better than I can.

Trump effectively placed the Taliban in a position of power after negotiating the agreement with the Taliban.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tdotbluejays: 1:56pm On Aug 16, 2021
As at yesterday, planes in and out of Afghanistan.
I wonder when Nigeria would send a plane to bring home Nigerians stuck in Afghanistan

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 2:01pm On Aug 16, 2021
You can't help a corrupt people.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 2:13pm On Aug 16, 2021
Everyone is saying Biden has fuckedup, Biden knows it which is why he tried to blame trump but the lefttists here are the one making steady excuses

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 2:29pm On Aug 16, 2021
Biden fückup was not evacuating diplomats before setting withdrawal timelines. The rest is inevitable.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 2:37pm On Aug 16, 2021
obixcel:
No words to describe this shocked
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9897201/Terror-Kabul-airport-Troops-fire-shots-air-desperate-Afghans-climb-airbridges.html

---From the link you posted below---how is the collapse of the Afghan government, Biden's problem---yes he have underestimated the rapid turn of events---

The Taliban's stunning and rapid takeover of Afghanistan was the result not only of their battlefield strength, but also a sustained push to force surrenders and cut deals.The insurgents mixed threats and lures with propaganda and psychological warfare as they took city after city - some with barely a shot fired - eventually capturing the capital Kabul.

How did this happen? Why didn't the Afghan army put up a fight?
As foreign troops began their final withdrawal in May, Washington and Kabul were confident the Afghan military would put up a strong fight against the Taliban.With more than 300,000 personnel and multi-billion-dollar equipment more advanced than the Taliban arsenal, Afghan forces were formidable - on paper.In reality, they were plagued by corruption, poor leadership, lack of training and plummeting morale for years. Desertions were common and US government inspectors had long warned that the force was unsustainable.
Afghan forces put up strong resistance this summer in some areas such as Lashkar Gah in the south, but they now faced the Taliban without regular US air strikes and military support. Faced with the smaller but highly motivated and cohesive enemy, many soldiers and even entire units simply deserted or surrendered, leaving the insurgents to capture city after city.

How did the Taliban take advantage of low morale?
The seeds for the collapse were sown last year when Washington signed a deal with the insurgents to withdraw its troops completely.
For the Taliban, it was the beginning of their victory after nearly two decades of war. For many demoralised Afghans, it was betrayal and abandonment.They continued to attack government forces but started to combine those with targeted killings of journalists and rights activists, ramping up an environment of fear.

They also pushed a narrative of inevitable Taliban victory in their propaganda and psychological operations.
Soldiers and local officials were reportedly bombarded with text messages in some areas, urging them to surrender or cooperate with the Taliban to avoid a worse fate.Many were offered safe passage if they did not put up a fight, while others were reached through tribal and village elders.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 2:39pm On Aug 16, 2021

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 2:41pm On Aug 16, 2021
They are scrubbing the internet trying to delete their support for Taliban deal, man of peace no longer wants Nobel Peace Prize? odiegwu

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 2:44pm On Aug 16, 2021
feedthenation:


---There is plenty of blame to place on each of George W. Bush (the originator), Barack Obama (the enabler), Donald Trump (the negotiator), and Joe Biden (the facilitator) about the Afghanistan failure but this picture of Sec of State Mike Pompeo and Taliban leader Mullar Baradar will live in infamy---

Biden is the resident now, Not Bush, Not Obama not Trump
Bush did not blame Clinton for 9-11, Obama did not blame Bush for Osama he handled Osama, Trump did not blame Obama he handled ISIS
Many presidents including Biden have reversed so many things they do not agree with.

This Afghan fall is on Biden let him handle it not pass the blame

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 2:44pm On Aug 16, 2021
Ibime:
You can't help a corrupt people.
The Biden Administration was busy making tik tok videos and feeding Joe Biden ice cream; The Pentagon was busy studying ''White rage'' and planning LGBTQ pride marches. Biden even boasted that the Afghan troops were well trained and could never be overrun by the Taliban - A BIG FAT LIE
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 2:47pm On Aug 16, 2021
obixcel:
The Biden Administration was busy making tik tok videos and feeding Joe Biden ice cream; The Pentagon was busy studying ''White rage'' and planning LGBTQ pride marches. Biden even boasted that the Afghan troops were well trained and could never be overrun by the Taliban - A BIG FAT LIE

OK.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 2:47pm On Aug 16, 2021
raumdeuter:


Biden is the resident now, Not Bush, Not Obama not Trump
Bush did not blame Clinton for 9-11, Obama did not blame Bush for Osama, Trump did not blame Obama he handled ISIS
Many presidents including Biden have reversed so many things they do not agree with.

This Afghan fall is on Biden let him handle it not pass the blame

---The bold is not true---9/11 happened during George W. Bush 1st term presidency---
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 2:49pm On Aug 16, 2021
feedthenation:


---The bold is not true---9/11 happened during George W. Bush 1st term presidency---

So what is not true? 9/11 happened under Bush and he didnt sit down blaming Clinton. Like Biden and his people like you are trying to do in this case
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 2:50pm On Aug 16, 2021
sanpipita:
They are scrubbing the internet trying to delete their support for Taliban deal, man of peace no longer wants Nobel Peace Prize? odiegwu

Fixated on deal that has nothing to do with Biden fuckup. Own It and take the L.

Biden pull the troops before he thought about the safety of US personels and other foreign personels in the country. Biden is clueless.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 2:50pm On Aug 16, 2021
raumdeuter:


So what is not true? 9/11 happened under Bush and he didnt sit down blaming Clinton. Like Biden and his people like you are trying to do in this case
Looks like he didn't understand ur point grin
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 2:51pm On Aug 16, 2021
Tdotbluejays:

Trump effectively placed the Taliban in a position of power after negotiating the agreement with the Taliban.

---This won't be the first time Republicans have been negotiating with the 'hardliners' from Afghanistan---

---Ronald Regan with the Afghan mujahideens at the WH in the 1980s when they were invaded by the Russians---

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 2:52pm On Aug 16, 2021
sanpipita:
They are scrubbing the internet trying to delete their support for Taliban deal, man of peace no longer wants Nobel Peace Prize? odiegwu

How many trump deals did Biden cancel already? what stops him from canceling this if he did not agree or support it.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 2:53pm On Aug 16, 2021
benalvino3:


Fixated on deal that has nothing to do with Biden fuckup. Own It and take the L.

Biden pull the troops before he thought about the safety of US personels and other foreign personels in the country. Biden is clueless.

Biden claimed that there was no way a situation would arise where U.S embassy personnel in Kabul will be air lifted from the roof top - A BIG FAT LIE grin grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by armyofone(m): 2:56pm On Aug 16, 2021
Tdotbluejays:
If they like, it shouldn't be over. They can now fight amongst themselves. They are all Afghans.

After being in Afghanistan for so long, Thank you Biden for having the balls to pull the US out just like Canada and Britain did back in 2014. Another minute, day, week, month, year or decade would not have changed the outcome. Someone was always going to get the US out.

https://www.nairaland.com/6704353/war-over-taliban-declares

Right and the same thing is bound to happen no matter when ( prez fleeing and Talibans taking over).

It is their country and in their hands now - they should either run it well or continue to destroy it and their people.

God bless America
God bless our Troops!
SemperFi

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 2:56pm On Aug 16, 2021
I don't understand what this CNN reporter is still waiting for in Afghanistan
She better run now.

https://www.nairaland.com/6704820/cnn-reporter-wears-hijab-after

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