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Kobojunkie:
Again....
1. Do you know the key differences between the Old Covenant Law of Moses, YHWH, and the New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ , as far as destination for those who live by the law and those who refuse?

2. According to Peter's account of events which you referenced earlier, Jesus Christ went down to the spirits chained during the time of Noah - and not after that. Is this what you meant when you said Jesus descended down to Hell ?

YOU BAFFLE ME.WITH FAIRY TALES WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
PSALM 16:10 READS For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
ACTS 2:25-28 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.KJV

Acts 2:25-28 David said about him:

“‘I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will rest in hope,
27 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,
you will not let your holy one see decay.(A)
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.’NIV
EMPHASIS VERSE 27
HERE JESUS CLEARLY BEGGED GOD PLEASE DON'T ABANDONE ME IN THE GRAVE INFACT READ THE WHOLE OF ACTS 2 AND PSALM 16

Kobojunkie:
Do you know the key differences between the Old Covenant Law of Moses, YHWH, and the New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ , as far as destination for those who live by the law and those who refuse?

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT STOP SPREADING LIES THE TWO WORDS TRANSLATED AS HELL IN THE BIBLE ARE HADES AND GEHENNA. GO AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY MEAN TARTARUS WAS USED ONCE IN 2 PETER 2:4

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But then when it comes to the case of a God who claims to love all...

As I have shown you when you kill Love, you bring HATE!

"Now you would appreciate when Solomon Rightly said that "there is a time to love and a time to Hate"

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...people very ironic how he sends thesame people to hell to burn for eternity.......
But then what purpose does hell fire really serve

Sending you to hell is Proof that you Lost The War you caused.

So now He can punish you everlastincally for thinking to War against Him and for your eventually Warring Against Him and for other things you have done against Him.

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because if it's for the sake of punishments then you would realise that why we have punishments in the first place is to reform people and to change their attitude and also to discourage others from participating in thesame bad behaviour...

Even you all have confessed that your "Reformation Centres" do not reform anyone and more especially does who not wish to change.

XXXXTENTACION:
but for hell fire you are not given a second chance instead you are condemned straight with no hope.....

Second Chances exist only during Regular Times AND NOT DURING WAR!

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but then if you know you are going to send someone to hell fire why did create the person in the first place.... ??

Wrong question, He Did Not Create you to send you to Lake of Fire. He created you, to Love You.

And You Turned His Love, To Hate.

And He had Already created Lake of Fire for those He Hates.

Therefore, you removed yourself from His Love and put yourself in His Hate, thus, making yourself an inmate of the Lake of Fire.

[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=104883725][/quote]POINT OF CORRECTION GOD HAS NO DARK PART LIKE HATE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO PUNISH AFTER DEAD BECAUSE DEAD IS ALREADY PUNISHMENT FOR SIN. ITS LIKE GOING TO JAIL FOR A CRIME YOU COMMITTED AFTER SERVING YOUR TIME YOU BECOME A FREE MAN YOU CANNOT BE PUNISHED TWICE

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As a father or mother no matter what your child does you still forgive them and give them a second chance because you truly love them and would love to see them do better.....
But then when it comes to the case of a God who claims to love all people very ironic how he sends thesame people to hell to burn for eternity.......
But then what purpose does hell fire really serve because if it's for the sake of punishments then you would realise that why we have punishments in the first place is to reform people and to change their attitude and also to discourage others from participating in thesame bad behaviour...
but for hell fire you are not given a second chance instead you are condemned straight with no hope.....
It's Very Ironic For A God Who Claims To Love All People To Send Themsame People He Loves To Enternal Condemnation Without A Second Chance .....
but then if you know you are going to send someone to hell fire why did create the person in the first place....

You miss it greatly. Who told you that?!

John 3:16-17:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

Not everyone is God's child. If you are NOT His child, you are just an APE (an animal). God loves humanity (the world) to provide the gift of sonship.

Here, you blatantly REJECT God's offer and you are wailing stupidity! SMH!

falcon01:
It's a system built for manipulation and control, a system based on fear Obey or Burn.

He knows it is not as you say for he can feel the "heat" of that Fire, even from here.

So he knows it is out there waiting for him.

He is not like you who is struggling using your weak 'power' and 'might', to "Sheid" yourself from feeling the heat of it. Exactly like that boy in the movie "White Squall" who was bleating to himself while the sea came rushing into the boat, "it's just a dream, it's just a dream"

Don't worry, you would soon undisputable see for yourself when you get into it, like the boy when he real eyesis that he was actually drowning with the ship.

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that's very easy.... all you need to do is commit sin and you are one day away from hell ....

A thousand percent wrong answer!

capnies:
POINT OF CORRECTION GOD HAS NO DARK PART LIKE HATE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO PUNISH AFTER DEAD BECAUSE DEAD IS ALREADY PUNISHMENT FOR SIN. ITS LIKE GOING TO JAIL FOR A CRIME YOU COMMITTED AFTER SERVING YOUR TIME YOU BECOME A FREE MAN YOU CANNOT BE PUNISHED TWICE

Oh, therefore, you think Christ was joking when He Said "FEAR HE, WHO AFTER HE HAS KILLED, (Death) HATH POWER TO CAST IN HELL".

You do not know the Power Creators and that creations (products) only de-exist when their Creators have Commanded that they be De-existed.

And our Creator has Said, He Shall put all "bad, wicked and evil products and creations in the dustbin of the Oven called "the Lake of Fire"

So no, you are not going to jail twice, you just went to "Holding Cell, Guard Rooms, EFCC cell" (death/hell) before you are actually taken to Court for judgement which shall either Convict/Condemn you to the Lake of Fire or Acquit and Discharge you to New World of New Heaven and New Earth!

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...you realise no matter the amount of punishment you give to a monkey it's still gonna eat bananas over, and over again.....

And that is the Power of Law, Obedience and Disobedience.

You already had the Power to Obey and you once exercised it, so therefore, you could always exercise it, if you wanted to exactly as obeying and refusing to eat the big meat in the pot when your mother had told you "Do not touch it"

And till today, you have still obeyed that Law.

Therefore, you have shown beyond reasonable doubt that you can obey, if and when you wanted to obey.

Thus, when you stopped Obeying, you must be arrested and taken to Court to find out why did you disobey.

And here is where you must Fear God for no one can deceive Him "For He Sees The Undiluted TRUTH of All Things, thus, He Sees and Knows the Truth of Why you Disobeyed!

Which is you disobeyed because you foolishly thought it would be good and beneficial and profitable to you and that God will not know nor see it and that you could deceive God by lying (not knowing that there are many cameras and microphones which are recording your every move which is why you said

"Humans are not rational beings (Translation "Foolish beings) we make most decisions based on selfish intrests and our desires.... (Translation! In your foolishness, you thought it was a good idea at the time)

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but the bible says man was created in the image of God .... And to rule over the earth....
so if they are already created in the image of God why would they want to be like God again

This question shows you more why God punished them.

Do you not know that "image" is only a shadow of The Substance of God?

So like billimonie rightly said "washing machine, wanting to be like you the manufacturer"

Surely, the idiot washing machine thought it good to be my mate and equal.

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but the bible says man was created in the image of God .... And to rule over the earth....
so if they are already created in the image of God why would they want to be like God again

Now you're getting the whole picture, Eve should have known that "My husband and I are created, so therefore all what this serpent is saying is totally rubbish and we don't need it"... Let's check AMPLIFIED version Gen 3:1=> Now the serpent was more subtle and crafty than any living creature of the field...

Look at that verse very well, let's check the word "subtle and crafty", which means cunning, foxy, slick, sly, tricky, and wily. Ordinarily Eve won't even look at the serpent twice, if that creature didn't use "style style" to package the lie "you can't die, God just to want you guys to be like Him".

You see that "crafty, subtle, tricky, sly" it's still the same method the serpent still use today... For example, "ahn ahn haven't you formed good guy reach, tell your constituents the budget is 500M, meanwhile you can cut the remaining 300M to yourself" "Steall that iPhone, you know you can't see this type of opportunities again if you leave" "Don't mind her she's just forming holy, sleep with her first before giving her the job" "If you don't shoot at them, they will think you're weak". Check these sets of people, they all forgot at that moment that what? "they are made in God's image" and then go ahead with that evil plan planted in their mind by the serpent.

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Who would in their right senses,naturally believe that a spirit impregnated a woman? If there was no threat of hell. Nobody. But with millennium upon millennium period of torture and death, they have forced human to believe the monstrous tale Is real...

Man is a composite of spirit of God plus body made from dust of the earth. When man (or woman) experiences death which is basically a separation of spirit from the vessel or body, the body goes back to its natural state which is earth and dust and the spirit returns to God who owns it...

Some believe God will put the spirit back in a body and send it to hell...where do men get such evil idea from.

The heart of man is really wicked.

Hell, heaven, devil and Jesus are all man's invention. To control and dominate other humans..

God has no program or plan for evildoers so the scriptures is consistent regarding what will happen to evildoers!

©They will DIE and never come back to life! Genesis 3:19
©They have no more portion in anything that's happening on the earth! Ecclesiastes 9:6
©That's the ultimate punishment for sin! Romans 6:7

CC : Dear Kobojunkie Dtruthspeaker and shadeyinka2

-You should just focus on XXXXTENTACION questions and avoid distractions from other monikers, they are trying so hard to detail the thread.

22jumpstreet:
Who would in their right senses,naturally believe that a spirit impregnated a woman?

All who know The Powers of Creators.

For the woman is spirit wearing a cloth of skin.

22jumpstreet:
If there was no threat of hell.

This is another Work The Lord has done that ONLY those who are in the Wrong or have done wrong shall ALWAYS BE IN FEAR (Threatened) Exactly as yahoo-yahoo Must Fear police, Efcc,
like that idiot who jumped from 1004

22jumpstreet:
...But with millennium upon millennium period of torture and death, they have forced human to believe the monstrous tale Is real...

Can anyone count his sins?

Did you not torture and torture millions and millions of times?

Or did you not cause deaths millions and millions of times?

Even today, you have just tortured one and killed another.

Are they not in the billions of billions, from the time of liability continuing ceaselessly, until God terminated your ability to continue the doing of evil?

Therefore, you must pay your debts of your evilness up to the the last full stop before any other thing can happen.

billynoni:
CC : Dear Kobojunkie Dtruthspeaker and shadeyinka2

-You should just focus on XXXXTENTACION questions and avoid distractions from other monikers, they are trying so hard to detail the thread.

Kobojunkie is not a lover of God but an evil spirit parading himself to be a lover of God.

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but the bible says man was created in the image of God .... And to rule over the earth....
so if they are already created in the image of God why would they want to be like God again

Man was truely created in the image of God with respect to the earth and its environs.
However, man (unlike God) does not determine his own standard of right and wrong: God does!

To be like God as suggested by satan mean to have INDEPENDENCE from God that YOU and not GOD solely determine your own standard of morality.

capnies:
YOU BAFFLE ME.WITH FAIRY TALES WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
PSALM 16:10 READS For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
ACTS 2:25-28 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.KJV

Acts 2:25-28 David said about him:

“‘I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will rest in hope,
27 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,
you will not let your holy one see decay.(A)
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.’NIV
EMPHASIS VERSE 27
HERE JESUS CLEARLY BEGGED GOD PLEASE DON'T ABANDONE ME IN THE GRAVE INFACT READ THE WHOLE OF ACTS 2 AND PSALM 16

Since when did the words of David become the Words or Jesus Christ?

25 David said this about him:

‘I saw the Lord before me always; he is at my right side to keep me safe.
26 So my heart is happy, and the words I speak are words of joy. Yes, even my body will live with hope,
27 because you will not leave me in the place of death. You will not let the body of your Holy One rot in the grave.
28 You taught me how to live. You will come close to me and give me great joy.’

29 “My brothers, I can tell you for sure about David, our great ancestor. He died, was buried, and his tomb is still here with us today. - Acts 2 vs 24 - 29

1. The above is supposed to be of David speaking about his own encounter with the Lord, is it not ? And David is the me/I/my reference whereas the You/him/he/your is the Lord, right?

So why do you insinuate that the passage is about Jesus Christ begging God not to let Him perish in the grave?

Do you even begin to realize the ramifications of the claim you made there of God's Law, Jesus Christ, begging to be raised from the dead?

2. Do you know the key differences between the Old Covenant Law of Moses, YHWH, and the New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ , as far as destination for those who live by the law and those who refuse?

3. According to Peter's account of events which you referenced earlier, Jesus Christ went down to the spirits chained during the time of Noah - and not after that. Is this what you meant when you said Jesus descended down to Hell ?

capnies:
READ ACTS 2:27 PETER QUOTED PSALM 16:10 STOP INSULTING GOD WITH FALSE DEVILISH DOCTRINE HELL IS GRAVE PERIOD IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR DADDY IN THE LORD SAID READ YOUR BIBLE HELL IS GRAVE I REPEAT WITH AUTHORITY HELL IS GRAVE HE'LL IS GRAVE

Pay attention to to question......

Do you know the key differences between the Old Covenant Law of Moses, YHWH, and the New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ , as far as destination for those who live by the law and those who refuse?

Dtruthspeaker:
He knows it is not as you say for he can feel the "heat" of that Fire, even from here.

So he knows it is out there waiting for him.

He is not like you who is struggling using your weak 'power' and 'might', to "Sheid" yourself from feeling the heat of it. Exactly like that boy in the movie "White Squall" who was bleating to himself while the sea came rushing into the boat, "it's just a dream, it's just a dream"

Don't worry, you would soon undisputable see for yourself when you get into it, like the boy when he real eyesis that he was actually drowning with the ship.

ok

shadeyinka2:
Man was truely created in the image of God with respect to the earth and its environs.
However, man (unlike God) does not determine his own standard of right and wrong: God does!

To be like God as suggested by satan mean to have INDEPENDENCE from God that YOU and not GOD solely determine your own standard of morality.

Lets test your morality with this famous science experiment....
you are driving[driver] a train containing 50,000 people at some point the train develops faults and loses control, the brakes are also damaged and you can't stop the train... You have two options you either continue the journey or you slide the train of to another railtrack ...
but first if you continue on railtrack "A" the train gets to kill 65 people but if you slide off to railtrack "B" you only get to kill "8" people which railtrack would you choose

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"Love conquers all......" this saying has be said a million times.....
As a God who loves unconditionally i would have expected God's love to conquer everything including the sins of Adam and Eve and he should have realised that they are merely humans prone to mistakes...
And as such they should have been forgiven and allowed to continue living in the Garden Eden and as such God's plan for man would have succeeded.....
but what happens is the reverse instead God's love does'nt conquer their sins and they were not forgiven but rather they are dealt heavily with multiple punishments and curses that go on to affect their genrations who are even innocent of the sin......

Dtruthspeaker:
This question shows you more why God punished them.

Do you not know that "image" is only a shadow of The Substance of God?

So like billimonie rightly said "washing machine, wanting to be like you the manufacturer"

Surely, the idiot washing machine thought it good to be my mate and equal.

the washing machine is useful to the manufacturer and as such the manufacturer could easily forgive and let go......
but then did God really forgive Adam and Eve

shadeyinka2:
A thousand percent wrong answer!

What's the correct answer then....

MISHIGAS!

I BELIEVE THAT FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL CLASSIFY ATHEISM AS A SYMPTOM OF THE MENTAL DISEASE CALLED ATTENTION-DEFICIT DISORDER.

That is because no matter how much an Atheist is informed about God, they are completely unable to learn anything about God- at least to the extent that tbey do not blaspheme Him foolishly.l/i]

God is not OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPRESENT, OMNISCIENT, NOR OMNIBENEVOLENT.

All Atheistic criticism of God is based on the false accusation that He has claimed to possess those attributes- whereas He does not use them, where they would be useful.

No amount of correction has ever changed any Atheist's Mind.

If they could change, they should even immediately cease being Atheists.

oaroloye:
[color=silver].[/color]   GENESIS 3:1-19.

NOW the Serpent
was more subtil
than any Beast
of the Field which
The LORD God
had made.
And he said unto
the Woman,

"Yea, hath God Said,

[i]'YE SHALL NOT EAT
OF EVERY TREE
OF THE GARDEN?' "

2. And the Woman said
unto the Serpent,

"We may eat
of the Fruit of the Trees
of the Garden:
3. But of the Fruit of the Tree
which is in the midst
of the Garden,
God hath Said,

'YE SHALL NOT EAT OF IT,
NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT,
LEST YE DIE.' "

4. And the Serpent said
unto the Woman,

"Ye shall not surely die:
5. "For God doth know
that in the day
ye eat thereof,
then your eyes
shall be opened,
and ye shall be as gods,
knowing Good and Evil."

6. And when the Woman saw
that the Tree was good for food,
and that it was pleasant to the eyes,
and a Tree to be desired
to make one wise,
she took of the Fruit thereof,
and did eat,
and gave also
unto her husband with her;
and he did eat.
7. And the eyes of them both
were opened,
and they knew
that they were naked;
and they sewed fig leaves together,
and made themselves aprons.
8. And they heard
The Voice of The LORD God
Walking in the Garden
in the cool of the day:
and Adam and his wife
hid themselves
from The Presence
of The LORD God
amongst the Trees
of the Garden. that
9. And The LORD God
Called unto Adam,
and Said unto him,

"Where art thou?"

10. And he said,

"I heard Thy Voice in the Garden,
and I was afraid,
because I was naked;
and I hid myself."

11. And He Said,

"Who told thee
that thou wast naked?
Hast thou eaten of the tree,
whereof I Commanded thee
that thou shouldest not eat?"

12. And the Man said,

"The Woman whom Thou
gavest to be with me,
she gave me of the tree,
and I did eat."

13. And The LORD God
Said unto the Woman,

"What is this
that thou hast done?"

And the Woman said,

"The Serpent beguiled me,
and I did eat."

14. And The LORD God Said
unto the Serpent,

"Because thou
hast done this,
thou art Cursed
above all Cattle,
and above every
Beast of the Field;
upon thy belly shalt thou go,
and dust shalt thou eat
all the days of thy life:
15. "And I will put Enmity
between thee and the Woman,
and between thy seed
and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel."

16. Unto the Woman He Said,

"I will greatly multiply thy sorrow
and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt
bring forth children;
and thy desire shall be
to thy Husband,
and he shall rule over thee."

17. And unto Adam He Said,

"Because thou hast hearkened
unto the voice of thy wife,
and hast eaten of the Tree,
of which I Commanded thee,
Saying,

'THOU SHALT NOT
EAT OF IT:'

Cursed is the Ground for thy sake;
in sorrow shalt thou eat of It
all the days of thy life;
18. "Thorns also and thistles
shall it bring forth to thee;
and thou shalt eat
The Herb of the Field;
19. "In the sweat of thy face
shalt thou eat bread,
till thou return unto the Ground;
for out of it wast thou taken:
for dust thou art,
and unto dust shalt thou return."

YAHWEH GOD IS NOT OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPRESENT, NOR OMNIBENEVOLENT: GENESIS 1-4 CATEGORICALLY DISPROVES THAT GOD HAS THOSE ATTRIBUTES.

ATHEISTS generally pretend otherwise, in order to make God look ridiculous.

[color=silver].[/color] GENESIS 17:1-14.

AND when Abram was
ninety years old and nine,
The LORD appeared to Abram,
and Said unto him,

"I am The Almighty God;
walk before Me,
and be thou perfect.
2. "And I will make
My Covenant
between Me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3. And Abram fell on his face:
and God Talked with him,
Saying,

4. "As for Me,
behold, My Covenant
is with thee,
and thou shalt be
a Father of many Nations.
5. "Neither shall thy name
any more be called "Abram,"
but thy name shall be "Abraham;"
for a father of many nations
have I made thee.
6. "And I will make thee
Exceeding Fruitful,
and I will make
nations of thee,
and kings shall
come out of thee.
7. "And I will establish
My Covenant
between Me and thee
and thy seed after thee
in their Generations
for an Everlasting Covenant,
to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee.
8. "And I will give unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee,
the land wherein
thou art a stranger,
all the land of Canaan,
for an Everlasting Possession;
and I will be their God."

9. And God Said
unto Abraham,

"Thou shalt keep
My Covenant therefore,
thou, and thy seed after thee
in their Generations.
10. "This is My Covenant,
Which ye shall keep,
between Me and you
and thy seed after thee;

'EVERY MAN CHILD AMONG YOU
SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.'

11. "And ye shall circumcise
the flesh of your foreskin;
and it shall be
a Token of The Covenant
betwixt me and you.
12. "And he that is
eight days old
shall be circumcised
among you,
every man child
in your Generations,
he that is born in the house,
or bought with money
of any stranger,
which is not of thy seed.
13. "He that is born
in thy house,
and he that is bought
with thy money,
must needs be circumcised:
and My Covenant
shall be in your flesh
for an Everlasting Covenant.
14. "And the uncircumcised
man child
whose flesh of his foreskin
is not circumcised,
that soul shall be cut off
from his people;
he hath broken My Covenant."

GOD HAS A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DESCENDANTS OF AVRAHAM, ISAAC, AND YACUB- TO BE GOD TO THEM FOR EVER.

Therefore God required the Children of Y'srael to cultivate His Covenant, while leaving other nations to their own devices.

Anyone who wishes to deal with God must go through this Covenant.

oaroloye:
THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE is based on the Greek manuscripts used by the original Christians out of Antioch.

[color=silver].[/color] ACTS 11:26.

26. And when he had found him,
he brought him unto Antioch.
And it came to pass
that a whole year
they assembled themselves
with the Church,
and taught much people.
And the Disciples
were called "Christians"
first in Antioch.

At the Senior Levels of Religion and Atheism are very able Bible Scholars, who know full well, that The New Testament translated ELEVEN DIFFERENT WORDS as "love."

None of these words is the one which Unbelievers and Christian Novices will associate with the term "love," namely: "EROS," meaning "ROMANTIC LOVE."

[color=silver].[/color] EXODUS 20:1-7.

AND God Spake all these Words,
Saying,
2. "I am The LORD thy God,
Which have brought thee
out of The Land of Egypt,
out of The House of Bondage.
3. "Thou shalt have
no other gods before Me.

4. "Thou shalt not make unto thee
any graven image,
or any likeness of any thing
that is in Heaven above,
or that is in the Earth beneath,
or that is in the Water under the Earth.
5. "Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them,
nor serve them:
for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the Fathers
upon the Children
unto the Third and Fourth Generation
of them that hate Me;
6. "And shewing Mercy
unto thousands of them that love Me,
and keep My Commandments.

7. "Thou shalt not take
The Name of the LORD thy God in vain;
for the LORD will not hold him guiltless
that taketh His Name in vain."

THE TERM "LOVE" in The Bible does not mean the same as is used in English. In the New Testament, there are 11 different words that are blandly translated "LOVE."

1. MATTHEW 43-44,46. Αγαπαω, agapao. "LOVE" in a social, moral sense.

2. MATTHEW 6:5. . MATTHEW 23:6. Αγαπη, agape. "LOVE" in the sense of affection, benevolence.

3. MATTHEW 24:12. Φιλεω, phileo. "LOVE" in the sense of "being a friend to-" "to be fond of a person or object."

4. MARK 12:38. Θελω, thelo. To determine (as an act), to delight in, desire, to be disposed toward.

5. 1st THESSALONIANS 4:9; HEBREWS 13:1. Φιλαδελφια, philadelphia. Fond of brethren; fraternal love.

6. 1st TIMOTHY 6:10. Φιλαργυρια; philaguria. "LOVE" in the sense of "the love of money."

7. TITUS 2:4. (Love Husband.) Φιλανδρος; philandros. "LOVE" in the sense of "fond of man;" "affectionate love as a wife."

8. TITUS 2:4. (Love Children.) Φιλοτεκνος; phileteknos.
"LOVE" in the sense of "fond of children;" "maternal love."

9. TITUS 3:4. Φιλανθρωπια; philantropia. "LOVE" in the sense of "fondness of Mankind;" benevolence.

10. 1st PETER 3:8. Φιλαφελφος; philadelphos. "LOVE" in the sense of "fond of brethren;" fraternal love.

11. REVELATION 3:19. Φιλεω; phileo. "LOVE" in the sense of "to be a friend to;" "to have affection for;" "personal feeling;" sentiment, duty, propriety, "kiss love."

THE SOURCE of these definitions is STRONG'S EXHAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE, by James Strong, which will be recognized as authoritative in any Institute of Higher Learning.

THEREFORE, ANYONE NOT CLARIFYING WHAT THEY MEAN BY "LOVE" IS EITHER IGNORANT, OR A HYPOCRITE.

The Word for the type of "LOVE" that THEY MEAN: "EROS: Romantic Love," is NOT used in The New Testament.

The intellectual Atheists and Christians alike ALL KNOW THIS, by definition, and are therefore DELIBERATELY DECEIVING THE LAYMEN, when they use the term "LOVE," without telling them that there are TWELVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS to the term.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 14:21-27.

21. "He that hath
my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it that thou
wilt manifest thyself unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and The Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's which sent me.
25. "These things have I
Spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But the Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father
will send in my Name,
He shall Teach you All Things,
and bring All Things
to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have
Said unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."

[color=silver].[/color] 1^st JOHN 5:1-5.

WHOSOEVER believeth that
Jesus is the Christ
is Born of God:
and every one
that loveth Him that Begat
loveth him also
that is Begotten of him.
2. By this we know
that we love
The Children of God,

"WHEN WE LOVE GOD,
AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS."

3. For this is The Love of God,

"THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS:"

and His Commandments
are not grievous.
4. For whatsoever is Born of God
overcometh the World:
and this is The Victory
that overcometh the World,

"EVEN OUR FAITH."

5. Who is he
that overcometh the World,
but he that believeth
that Jesus is The Son of God?

THE ONLY DEFINITION OF LOVE THAT MATTERS IS THE KEEPING OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.

THE ONLY DEFINITION OF YAHWEH GOD THAT MATTERS IS THAT BY PROPHET MOSES: ALL OTHERS ARE UNLAWFUL.

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 12:32-13:5.

32. What thing soever
I Command you,
observe to do it:
thou shalt not add thereto,
nor diminish from it.
IF there arise among you a Prophet,
or a Dreamer of Dreams,
and giveth thee a Sign or a Wonder,
2. And the Sign or
the Wonder come to pass,
whereof he spake unto thee,
saying,

"LET US GO AFTER OTHER GODS,
WHICH THOU HAST NOT KNOWN,
AND LET US SERVE THEM;"

3. Thou shalt not hearken unto
The Words of that Prophet,
or that Dreamer of Dreams:
for The LORD your God proveth you,
to know whether ye love
The LORD your God
with all your heart
and with all your soul.
4. Ye shall walk after
The LORD your God,
and fear Him,
and keep His Commandments,
and obey His Voice,
and ye shall serve Him,
and cleave unto Him.
5. And that prophet,
or that Dreamer of Dreams,
shall be put to death;
because he hath spoken
to turn you away
from The LORD your God,
Which brought you
out of the Land of Egypt,
and Redeemed you
out of the House of Bondage,
to thrust thee out of The Way
which The LORD thy God
Commanded thee to walk in.

[color=silver].[/color] MALACHI 3:6.

6. "For I am The LORD,
I change not;
therefore ye sons of Jacob
are not consumed."

YAHWEH GOD HAS NEVER SAID ANYWHERE THAT HE HAS ATTRIBUTES THAT CONTRADICT THE LAW OF MOSES: YOU ARE A FOOL NOT TO EXAMINE THE EVIDENCE, BEFORE FOLLOWING UNGODLY OYINBOS!

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[color=silver].[/color] LEVITICUS 24:10-16.

10. And the son
of an Israelitish woman,
whose father was
an Egyptian,
went out among
the Children of Israel:
and this son of
the Israelitish woman
and a Man of Israel
strove together in the camp;
11. And the Israelitish
woman's son blasphemed
The Name of The LORD,
and cursed.
And they brought him
unto Moses:
[and his mother's name
was Shelomith,
the daughter of Dibri,
of the tribe of Dan:]
12. And they put him in ward,
that the Mind of The LORD
might be shewed them.
13. And The LORD Spake
unto Moses,
Saying,

14. "Bring forth him
that hath cursed
without the camp;
and let all that heard him
lay their hands upon his head,
and let all the Congregation
stone him.
15. "And thou shalt speak
unto the Children of Israel,
saying,

'WHOSOEVER CURSETH
HIS GOD
SHALL BEAR HIS SIN.'

16. "And he that blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
he shall surely be
put to Death,
and all the Congregation
shall certainly stone him:
as well the Stranger
as he that is Born in the land,
when he blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
shall be put to Death."

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 12:22-45.

22. Then was brought unto him
one possessed with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that
the Blind and Dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people were amazed,
and said,

"IS NOT THIS
THE SON OF DAVID?"

24. But when
the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"This fellow doth not
cast out Devils,
but by Beelzebub
the Prince of the Devils."

25. And Jesus
knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom
divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house
divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself;
how shall then his Kingdom stand?
27. "And if I by Beelzebub
cast out Devils,
by whom do your children
cast them out?
Therefore they shall be your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils
by The Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God
is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one
enter into a Strong Man's House,
and spoil his goods,
except he first
bind the Strong Man?
And then he will spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me
is against me;
and he that
gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER
OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.'

32. "And whosoever speaketh
a Word against
The Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh
against The Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known
by his fruit.
34. "O Generation of Vipers,
how can ye, being Evil,
speak Good Things?
For out of the Abundance
of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A Good Man
out of the Good Treasure
of the heart
bringeth forth Good Things:
and an Evil Man
out of the Evil Treasure
bringeth forth Evil Things.
36.But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE
ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.'

37. "For by thy Words
thou shalt be Justified,
and by thy Words thou shalt be Condemned."
38. Then certain of the scribes
and of the Pharisees answered,
saying,

"Master,
we would see
a Sign from thee."

39. But he Answered
and Said unto them,

"An Evil and
Adulterous Generation
seeketh after a Sign;
and there shall no Sign
be given to it,
but The Sign of
the Prophet Jonas:
40. "For as Jonas was
three days and three nights
in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of Man
be three days
and three nights
in the heart of the Earth.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
because they repented
at the Preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a Greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South
shall rise up in the Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
for she came from
The Uttermost Parts of the Earth
to hear The Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a Greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'

and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits
more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

YOUR OYINBO ATHEISTIC MENTORS HAD FOREFATHERS WHO PERPETRATED SUCH HORRIBLE ATROCITIES, THAT MADE IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR ANY OF THEIR DESCENDANTS TO EVER FIND GOD.

There is nothing funny about that.

billynoni:
Wait, let's rewind back. Answer this with all honesty... What do you think personally, might make a person go to the hell? If you can answer this 100%, I promise you an interesting interaction on this thread.

falcon01:
It's a system built for manipulation and control, a system based on fear Obey or Burn.

EVIL SOULS THAT SURVIVE DEATH ARE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

XXXXTENTACION:
how about new born babies who commit no sin and yet still die......

WHICH PART OF "THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION" WAS NOT CLEAR?

DIANETICS™ has proven that FOETUSES CAN COMMIT SIN.

[See: DIANETICS: The Modern Science of Mental Health, by L. Ron Hubbard (1950).]

capnies:
MY BROTHER DON'T ANSWER HIM YOU ALREADY KNOWN THE TRUTH. END TIME ADVOCATES THEY ARE ALL LOOKING FOR STORIES TO COVER THEIR LIES HELL IS FILLED WITH DEAD THINGS READ REV 20:13

if they is no hell that means no punisment for the devil....
A little explanation would not be bad please.....

[quote author=XXXXTENTACION post=104891660][/quote]Thanks, once again... Read the verse down, they ate (sin) and we're "naked"(one of the consequences of not listening to instruction), out of the love you're talking about, He(God) killed an animal and use the the skin to cover them. Why would you cover up someone who offended you, if you don't love them?

Now, we're moving closer to the main question, where all these started, "Why Hell, if Love's there?"(Which you can get the full answer in the new testament of the Bible, fingers crossed- we're getting there)

So yeah, read all the books of old testament... You will discover these THREE PURELY TRUTHS. (1) God overtimes keep punishing those who sin, one way or the other(let enemies conquer you, sold into slavery, swallowed by earthquake e.t.c). (2) He always send a warning before "striking" and just to give example one of those numerous warnings, ever wondered why God keep reducing human lifespan? Compare the longevity in Methuselah's timeline to Daniel's timeline? (3) Nothing specific was outrightly said in the old testament, about hell or fire or eternal punishment.

Dtruthspeaker:
Oh, therefore, you think Christ was joking when He Said "FEAR HE, WHO AFTER HE HAS KILLED, (Death) HATH POWER TO CAST IN HELL".

You do not know the Power Creators and that creations (products) only de-exist when their Creators have Commanded that they be De-existed.

And our Creator has Said, He Shall put all "bad, wicked and evil products and creations in the dustbin of the Oven called "the Lake of Fire"

So no, you are not going to jail twice, you just went to "Holding Cell, Guard Rooms, EFCC cell" (death/hell) before you are actually taken to Court for judgement which shall either Convict/Condemn you to the Lake of Fire or Acquit and Discharge you to New World of New Heaven and New Earth!

CASTING INTO HELL IS THAT ABILITY TO DESTROY THE SOUL DURING THE SECOND DEAD AFTER THE FIRST RESURRECTION BOTH BODY AND SOUL WILL BE DESTROYED AS IT IS RIGHTLY WRITTEN IN EZEKIEL 18:4 THE SOUL THAT SINNETH IT SHALL DIE. GOD WILL DESTROY THE SOULS OF SINNERS FOREVER AND THAT IS CALLED THE SECOND DEATH PERIOD.

DID YOU NOT SEE THAT WHEN HUMANS ARE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE THAT THEY DIE THE SECOND TIME REV 20:14 ALSO NOTE THAT THE LAKE OF FIRE IS NOT HELL. IT IS ONLY THE LAKE OF FIRE THAT BURNS HELL IS GRAVE. NOTICE THAT WHEN THE DEVIL IS THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE THE BIBLE SAY THE DEVIL WILL REMAIN THERE FOR EVER AND EVER REV 20:10 BUT WHEN HUMANS ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE THE BIBLE SAY IT IS THE SECOND DEATH WHY THAT DIFFRENCIATION

XXXXTENTACION:
What's the correct answer then....

There is not one single perfect person in this world. There is not one human being who is qualified for heaven.
The reason is because we are ALL infected with the virus of sin.
Its like our operating system is corrupted with a deadly virus that make us naturally loving sin (just like the nature of pigs is not to bother about filth as long as they enjoy themselves).

The only purpose why the Father sent Jesus is to be the sacrifice or scapegoat or payment for our corrupt nature.

Whosoever recognises his corrupt nature and wishes to qualify to be with God in eternity will do two things
1. They will accept the solution of God for their cleansing (Accepting Jesus as Saviour)
2. They will accept to live by the dictates of the children of God (Accepting the Lordship of Christ)
Since it is God the Father who decides the genuineness of your coming to Him for salvation, he is the one who make such a person a NEW CREATURE (Born Again).
Anyone who is Born Again is given among others
1. An Identity (Matric Number if you will) as a Child of God
2. Ability to have a record of Faithfulness to Duty on earth (spiritual CGPA LOL).

Such a person then awaits his graduation (His Reboot/Death and Resurrection) for the final permanent removal of the VIRUS of SIN.
At the end of our life here on earth, such a person has a place with God in eternity AND will be rewarded for every act of LOVE for his Neighbour and FAITHFULNESS to duty he performed.

NOTE:
Just as we can find a dirty Cat, the nature of a cat is not Filthiness
and
Just as we can find a clean Pig, the nature of a pig is not Cleanliness
So is the nature of Born Again (children of God) on the earth

[quote author=billynoni post=104892490]Thanks, once again... Read the verse down, they ate (sin) and we're "naked"(one of the consequences of not listening to instruction), out of the love you're talking about, He(God) killed an animal and use the the skin to cover them. Why would you cover up someone who offended you, if you don't love them?

Now, we're moving closer to the main question, where all these started, "Why Hell, if Love's there?"(Which you can get the full answer in the new testament of the Bible, fingers crossed- we're getting there)

So yeah, read all the books of old testament... You will discover these THREE PURELY TRUTHS. (1) God overtimes keep punishing those [\qoute]



i still don't get some of your points....
Adam and Eve were punished for eating the damn fruit....[you know their punishments]
why is it so hard for God to truely forgive and let go.....
because if Adam and Eve were truely forgiven they would be no need for God to place curses on them and their generations.... :

[quote author=XXXXTENTACION post=104893044][/quote]I guess it's the distractions here and there... I already explained this part, which was in my opinion f what I believe God outrightly punished them.


Can you please make another thread, where it will just be you and I... So where there won't be distraction, thank you.