Kobojunkie:
So, you chose to believe instead that when in chapter 2, God declared , "Let us create man in our image..." either God was being deceitful, or the author was mistaken, since as you claim God already created man and woman in chapter 1?

You chose to believe that Adam and Eve were not in fact the first , and the only, created by God?

He had already created male and female in chapter one and told them to be fruitful and multiply.

Trustnoman4life:
He had already created male and female in chapter one and told them to be fruitful and multiply.

So the story or Adam and Eve is what, in relations to chapter 1?

Kobojunkie:
So the story or Adam and Eve is what, in relations to chapter 1?

The Bible never said anything about the origin of Cain's Wife.
So why don't you also want to believe that the Bible could have been referring to other humans in chapter 1.
Or do you have biblical proof of were Cain's Wife came from?.
Nonetheless you didn't say anything about this fact below
Adam has become a proof issue to test the Bible
Most biblical issues cannot be measured and tested, but this one is different. Here the Bible comes up against hard facts

THE REAL ISSUE HERE IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE PEOPLE ON EARTH BEFORE ADAM BUT WHETHER OR NOT THE BIBLE IS A CREDIBLE BOOK OF TRUTH. People conclude that if the Bible is wrong about our origin, it is probably wrong about our destiny too, and therefore it cannot be trusted as a book of truth.
To say that there were no people on earth before Adam (approximately BC 4000) is an indefensible position in light of modern knowledge, and most people think it is ignorance or mindless religious indoctrination to hear Christians say it.
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Very Important to note
THE PRESENT SITUATION IS SIMILAR TO TIMES PAST WHEN CHRISTIANS QUOTED BIBLE VERSES TO 'PROVE' THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT ('four corners of the earth' and 'ends of the earth,' Job 37:3 and other verses) and that the earth is setting on foundations ('He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved,' Psalm 104:5 and other verses).
PLEASE FOCUS MAINLY ON THE WORDS WITH ALL CAPITAL LETTERS.

Trustnoman4life:

The Bible never said anything about the origin of Cain's Wife.
So why don't you also want to believe that the Bible could have been referring to other humans in chapter 1.
Or do you have biblical proof of were Cain's Wife came from.

1. Why are you more willing to assume a different origin for Cain's wife than Adam and Eve?

2. Genesis is written more as a story that is the to accepted as is written, and not to be first believed. In Genesis 1, we are given a sort of general overview of what God did during the week of creation. But by Genesis 2, the writer then switches from giving a broad take on events to narrowing it down to the story of the first man (male) and woman(female).

In chapter two, we also learn an important detail. Adam was alone after he was created, evidence that he was the only human at the time. Subsequently, Eve was created as companion for Adam, this from Adam's own flesh and blood. The story confirms goes on to confirm that indeed only those two were created.

Kobojunkie:
1. Why are you more willing to assume a different origin for Cain's wife than Adam and Eve?

2. Genesis is written more as a story that is the to accepted as is written, and not to be first believed. In Genesis 1, we are given a sort of general overview of what God did during the week of creation. But by Genesis 2, the writer then switches from giving a broad take on events to narrowing it down to the story of the first man (male) and woman(female).

In chapter two, we also learn an important detail. Adam was alone after he was created, evidence that he was the only human at the time. Subsequently, Eve was created as companion for Adam, this from Adam's own flesh and blood. The story confirms goes on to confirm that indeed only those two were created.

The fhuckin Bible has been tampered with.You should not trust everything you read in it.The books of the fhuckin Bible were written by fhuckin humans and translated by fhuckin humans too.

Trustnoman4life:

The fhuckin Bible has been tampered with.You should not trust everything you read in it.The books of the fhuckin Bible were written by fhuckin humans and translated by fhuckin humans.

Well, God says you should Trust Him - Jeremiah 17 vs 6 .

And Jesus Christ said you should live by Bread and the Words out of God's own mouth to you- Matthew 4 vs 4 . Basically, if God said it, then it is Truth.

God does not need to write us a book in Heavenly language to convey His Truth to us. He used men HE set apart as Prophets in the Old testament and then Jesus Christ in the New Covenant, to convey His Words to us. He even gave us laws to help us know Truth from the lies of men written in scripture.

Kobojunkie:
Well, God says you should Trust Him - Jeremiah 17 vs 6 .

And Jesus Christ said you should live by Bread and the Words out of God's own mouth to you- Matthew 4 vs 4 . Basically, if God said it, then it is Truth.

Did God write or translate the fhuckin Bible?

Kobojunkie:
Well, God says you should Trust Him - Jeremiah 17 vs 6 .

And Jesus Christ said you should live by Bread and the Words out of God's own mouth to you- Matthew 4 vs 4 . Basically, if God said it, then it is Truth.

God does not need to write us a book in Heavenly language to convey His Truth to us. He used men HE set apart as Prophets in the Old testament and then Jesus Christ in the New Covenant, to convey His Words to us. He even gave us laws to help us know Truth from the lies of men written in scripture.

and you trust the fhuckin men he used even after the Bible said trust no man.
You are shallow minded

Trustnoman4life:

Did God write or translate the fhuckin Bible?

God does not need to write us a book in Heavenly language to convey His Truth to us. His very Word is Spirit and it never changes from human handler to human handler, from language to language, its power remains the same. Jesus Christ said Heaven and Earth will pass away but the Word of God remains forever..

He used men He set apart as Prophets in the Old testament and then Jesus Christ in the New Covenant, to convey His Words to us. He even gave us laws to help us know His Truth from the lies of men also written in scripture.

So the question is, do you trust that God is able to maintain the integrity of His Truth from everlasting to everlasting, just as He says Or do you think God incapable? That is the question, isn't it?

Trustnoman4life:
and you trust the fhuckin men he used even after the Bible said trust no man.
You are shallow minded

Again, like it is written there in Jeremiaj 17 vs 5, I don't trust man, not even myself. Instead, I put all of my trust in God and His Word!

Kobojunkie:
Again, like it is written there in Jeremiaj 17 vs 5, I don't trust man, not even myself. Instead, I put all of my trust in God and His Word!

The word you heard or read from a man?

Trustnoman4life:

The word you heard or read from a man?

The words I read that are Words out of God's own mouth.

For example, Jeremiah 17 vs 5 - 11 quotes the Almighty Himself. That is why I believe the words written there are God's Truth as given by God to us through Jeremiah.
Do I trust Jeremiah? No, but I trust the one who spoke those Words into being through Jeremiah and caused them to be written down in human language for all to know.

Kobojunkie:
The words I read that are Words out of God's own mouth.

For example, Jeremiah 17 vs 5 - 11 quotes the Almighty Himself. That is why I believe the words written there are God's Truth as given by God to us through Jeremiah.
Do I trust Jeremiah? No, but I trust the one who spoke those Words into being through Jeremiah and caused them to be written down in human language for all to know.

So you were with Jeremiah when God spoke to him?
Do you trust What is written or said by Jeremiah?
If you do then you trust a man contrary to God's word. However the picture below Will help you.lemme sleep please.Igatworktogo4mawnin.
Don't submit yourself to one book.

Trustnoman4life:
So you were with Jeremiah when God spoke to him?
Do you trust What is written or said by Jeremiah?
If you do then you trust a man contrary to God's word. However the picture below Will help you.lemme sleep please.Igatworktogo2moro.

Nope, I was not with Jeremiah at the time, nor do I need to have been since my trust is not in Jeremiah. I don't trust in Jeremiah's own words - his opinions - , I trust only in God's Words spoken through the man called Jeremiah.

Again, this isn't about a book but about God the one to whom all knowledge of good and of evil belongs - it is all inspired by Him.

The opinion expressed in the image means nothing since it is not the Word of God but the opinion of a man and recall I don't trust man at all where God and the things of God are concerned.

Trustnoman4life:

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Very Important to note
The present situation is similar to times past when Christians quoted Bible verses to 'prove' that the earth is flat ('four corners of the earth' and 'ends of the earth,' Job 37:3 and other verses) and that the earth is setting on foundations ('He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved,' Psalm 104:5 and other verses).
Please read more for wider knowledge.
Some pieces of information in this write up is on the net.
The fhuckin Bible has been tampered with, you can't believe everything in it.

Good morning Sir!

I'll like you to know that there is just one true Christian group while all others are fake!

You can't get the Interpretation of any verse in our book unless you ask us, but if you go and ask misinformed churchgoers they will simply mislead you!

The verse you quoted {Job 37:3} simply means God's spirit pushed his words throughout the earth!

©The Bible (God's word) is the most translated book in the world, there is no language in which you can't find a Bible translation.
©Whenever people say a book is the best seller well they often push the Bible aside because they can't even imagine how many copies of the Bible has been printed and sold.
©Of all the books in the world the Bible is read by millions each day and people often quote it even when they don't understand what it says.

So the one and only true God used His Mighty Spirit to push His word throughout the earth when all other demons remain silent before Him! Psalms 115:5

May you have PEACE!

If the name Yeshua is the real name in Hebrew, then it would mean that early Christians knew of no other name by which the savior was called.

They certainly did not call him Jesus.

Now the question is, why has modern day Christians chosen to call the savior ,Jesus, instead of Yeshua despite the fact that the original Hebrew language from which the name was translated from is still being spoken in the world today?

If the Bible was immediately translated into Greek during the time of the early Christians , who spoke Hebrew, do we imagine that they would have adopted the name, Jesus, while abandoning the original Hebrew name entirely just like modern day Christians ?

Another question ,

why is there no translation of the names of other biblical characters into Greek except that of Yeshua?

triplechoice:

If the name Yeshua is the real name in Hebrew, then it would mean that early Christians knew of no other name by which the savior was called.

They certainly did not call him Jesus.

1. Now the question is, why has modern day Christians chosen to call the savior ,Jesus, instead of Yeshua despite the fact that the original Hebrew language from which the name was translated from is still being spoken in the world today?

2. . If the Bible was immediately translated into Greek during the time of the early Christians , who spoke Hebrew, do we imagine that they would have adopted the name, Jesus, while abandoning the original Hebrew name entirely just like modern day Christians ?

Another question ,

3. why is there no translation of the names of other biblical characters into Greek except that of Yeshua?

1. Fortunately, this article by Newsweek answers much of your first and second questions
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/jesus-yeshua-joshua-there-right-way-identify-son-god-1270917%3famp=1

2. As to your third question, are you somehow of the mind that the names John, Nicodemus, Thomas, Peter, Simon, Elizabeth, James etc., are all Hebrew names?

Churchian ponder on these
Je.....ie/hei/hail
Sus.....Zu/Zus/Zeus
Every name comes with 2 or 3 roots words whose meaning should be very clear.
Kobo-Junkie
Bob-best-man
Yehoshua (God saves or salvation)
IhechiUwa( light - God- world)
Rapture( light out-When the light comes)
Chidi ( God dey)

The person they gave you as Jesus is not the person who did the exploits in that book you read. When you kill a Lawgiver, you have to change his laws and his name. That was how they removed the original and gave you an Impostor. They even use him to confronts the Creator and His laws. They told you a Creator whose laws are Yea and Amen decides to change his laws which He gave at Sinai with smoke everywhere and people trembling. The same person who said He can't change, change His laws and announced it no where in the Torah untill Uncle Paul came and start telling you those laws were abolished. The same who swore and made covenant with his people IsiOraEle that he will gather them at the time of the end and thru them will the world be saved (John 4:22). Some ppl went behind his laws to give you religions of confusion when the time for him to save his people who will save you all by telling you the truth and true gospel hidden since time immemorial has not reached. You can only know the truth when IsiOraEle (Isreal is gathered to their land)

The Lies in this world is huge and no religion know the truth. If you only believe in your Creator and live right and in peace with your fellow men, you do no wrong. It's better than believing in someone your enemies gave you that he saved you. Someone who was imposed on you. Do you people even know that Jesus is the name of the ship used in stealing your ancestors away to go and build Europe? How can people who steal, rape, miamed, brainwashed your ancestors bring you any good?

Wait, the truth about salvation will come from your own people at the time of the end which is now. They need to suffer untill the cup of their iniquities is full( this is why Africa or blacks are suffering today). Then their Creator will forgive them, gather them, bless them and sanctify them to teach the world the truth before His wrath is poured out. All they spoonfed you with in religions are the wrong stories

Kobojunkie:
Nope, I was not with Jeremiah at the time, nor do I need to have been since my trust is not in Jeremiah. I don't trust in Jeremiah's own words - his opinions - , I trust only in God's Words spoken through the man called Jeremiah.

Again, this isn't about a book but about God the one to whom all knowledge of good and of evil belongs - it is all inspired by Him.

The opinion expressed in the image means nothing since it is not the Word of God but the opinion of a man and recall I don't trust man at all where God and the things of God are concerned.

Who told you God spoke through Jeremiah?
Answer the question directly don't deviate from the actual question and we will be heading some where.

Trustnoman4life:

Who told you God spoke through Jeremiah?
Answer the question directly don't deviate from the actual question and we will be heading some where.

God Scratch that...in the beginning, I was unsure too of whether He did or did not. So I decided to Trust to an Almighty Soverign God is God-enough to maintain His Word and Truth through the ages and and reveal the lies to those who seek Him.

And after I began doing just that , trusting Him , He showed us and has been teaching me His Way and Truth since then, and that is how I came to learn that He did speak through even Jeremiah.

Kobojunkie:

1. Fortunately, this article by Newsweek answers much of your first and second questions
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/jesus-yeshua-joshua-there-right-way-identify-son-god-1270917%3famp=1

2. As to your third question, are you somehow of the mind that the names John, Nicodemus, Thomas, Peter, Simon, Elizabeth, James etc., are all Hebrew names?

So , an article written by someone with an obvious bias for Christianity is what you think would answer the question objectively?

The choice of words and expression used by the writer is revealing of her religious inclination . There were weak attempts to rationalise it all in order to make people not see the issue as anything serious. That was disingenous of her.

You should know that the opinion expressed in the article has nothing to do with Newsweek as organization. They have a disclaimer to articles like the one you're referencing


That aside, nothing in it is reasonable enough to justify why the original Hebrew name has been abandoned.

Maybe you're yet to get me.

Let me put it in a way that would be clear to you.

If you were part of the early Christian group that refer to the savior as Yeshua, would you agree to adopt the new name in Greek when get to know that it has been translated?

What would be your reason if you choose to?

As for the last question, my apologies. I never really checked that one very well.

But our focus should be on Yeshua/ Jesus

triplechoice:
1. So , an article written by someone with an obvious bias for Christianity is what you think would answer the question objectively?

The choice of words and expression used by the writer is revealing of her religious inclination . There were weak attempts to rationalise it all in order to make people not see the issue as anything serious. That was disingenous of her.

You should know that the opinion expressed in the article has nothing to do with Newsweek as organization. They have a disclaimer to articles like the one you're referencing

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2. That aside, nothing in it is reasonable enough to justify why the original Hebrew name has been abandoned.

Maybe you're yet to get me.
Let me put it in a way that would be clear to you.

If you were part of the early Christian group that refer to the savior as Yeshua, would you agree to adopt the new name in Greek when get to know that it has been translated?

What would be your reason if you choose to?

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3. As for the last question, my apologies. I never really checked that one very well.

But our focus should be on Yeshua/ Jesus

1. You mention that there were weak attempts to rationalise something to make people not see the issue and I wonder what issue you are referring there to.

Though his name may actually be Joshua, the name "Jesus" wasn't born out of creativity but also translation. When Yeshua is translated into Greek, which the New Testament is derived from, it becomes Iēsous, which in English spelling is "Jesus."

What is wrong about the above statement?

2. Jesus Christ said in John 15 vs 14 that His friends are those who do as He commands them to. He went further to insist that those who are of Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 23 - 25. Clearly, Jesus Christ teaches that the only thing of importance is that which He teaches and has commanded.

Did Jesus Christ give us instructions where His name is concerned declaring that we maintain its Hebrew form in order to carry on as His followers?

3. The New Testament was documented, this by the "first" Christians, in the Greek language, and last I checked, God does not command that He be worshipped only in the Hebrew language , so I am not certain what the issue is here if God never made it one to begin with.

Kobojunkie:
Nope, I was not with Jeremiah at the time, nor do I need to have been since my trust is not in Jeremiah. I don't trust in Jeremiah's own words - his opinions - , I trust only in God's Words spoken through the man called Jeremiah.

Again, this isn't about a book but about God the one to whom all knowledge of good and of evil belongs - it is all inspired by Him.

The opinion expressed in the image means nothing since it is not the Word of God but the opinion of a man and recall I don't trust man at all where God and the things of God are concerned.

Trustnoman4life:

Who told you God spoke through Jeremiah?
Answer the question directly don't deviate from the actual question and we will be heading some where.

Kobojunkie:
God Scratch that...in the beginning, I was unsure too of whether He did or did not. So I decided to Trust to an Almighty Soverign God is God-enough to maintain His Word and Truth through the ages and and reveal the lies to those who seek Him.

And after I began doing just that , trusting Him , He showed us and has been teaching me His Way and Truth since then, and that is how I came to learn that He did speak through even Jeremiah.

The crazy christian with the perpetually confused emoticon is either too dumb and dishonest to tell the truth.

https://www.foreigntongues.co.uk/whats-the-difference-between-translation-and-transliteration

Given the meaning of transliteration, the sound or name Jesus is nonsense.

bobestman:
Churchian ponder on these
Je.....ie/hei/hail
Sus.....Zu/Zus/Zeus
Every name comes with 2 or 3 roots words whose meaning should be very clear.
Kobo-Junkie
Bob-best-man
Yehoshua (God saves or salvation)
IhechiUwa( light - God- world)
Rapture( light out-When the light comes)
Chidi ( God dey)

The person they gave you as Jesus is not the person who did the exploits in that book you read. When you kill a Lawgiver, you have to change his laws and his name. That was how they removed the original and gave you an Impostor. They even use him to confronts the Creator and His laws. They told you a Creator whose laws are Yea and Amen decides to change his laws which He gave at Sinai with smoke everywhere and people trembling. The same person who said He can't change, change His laws and announced it no where in the Torah untill Uncle Paul came and start telling you those laws were abolished. The same who swore and made covenant with his people IsiOraEle that he will gather them at the time of the end and thru them will the world be saved (John 4:22). Some ppl went behind his laws to give you religions of confusion when the time for him to save his people who will save you all by telling you the truth and true gospel hidden since time immemorial has not reached. You can only know the truth when IsiOraEle (Isreal is gathered to their land)

The Lies in this world is huge and no religion know the truth. If you only believe in your Creator and live right and in peace with your fellow men, you do no wrong. It's better than believing in someone your enemies gave you that he saved you. Someone who was imposed on you. Do you people even know that Jesus is the name of the ship used in stealing your ancestors away to go and build Europe? How can people who steal, rape, miamed, brainwashed your ancestors bring you any good?

Wait, the truth about salvation will come from your own people at the time of the end which is now. They need to suffer untill the cup of their iniquities is full( this is why Africa or blacks are suffering today). Then their Creator will forgive them, gather them, bless them and sanctify them to teach the world the truth before His wrath is poured out. All they spoonfed you with in religions are the wrong stories

Bullshit

Who says all Africans are suffering?

Kobojunkie:
1. You mention that there were weak attempts to rationalise something to make people not see the issue and I wonder what issue you are referring there to.

What is wrong about the above statement?

2. Jesus Christ said in John 15 vs 14 that His friends are those who do as He commands them to. He went further to insist that those who are of Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 23 - 25. Clearly, Jesus Christ teaches that the only thing of importance is that which He teaches and has commanded.

Did Jesus Christ give us instructions where His name is concerned declaring that we maintain its Hebrew form in order to carry on as His followers?

3. The New Testament was documented, this by the "first" Christians, in the Greek language, and last I checked, God does not command that He be worshipped only in the Hebrew language , so I am not certain what the issue is here if God never made it one to begin with.

Please spare the sermon. This is the main issue.

What is the justification for abandoning the original Hebrew name, Yeshua, for the translated version in Greek, despite the fact that the Hebrew language from which it was translated from has not gone extinct?

Would you as a human being abandon your original name in your local language if it is translated into another that you're not even familiar with and then ask your friends and family to accept the new?

I doubt if you would.

And if you would not, why do you think you can out of your own whims and capricises adopt a translated version in place of the original name presumely given by a Divine being to his only begotten son and you think it doesn't matter ?

triplechoice:

Please spare the sermon. This is the main issue.

What is the justification for abandoning the original Hebrew name, Yeshua, for the translated version in Greek, despite the fact that the Hebrew language from which it was translated from has not gone extinct?

Would you as a human being abandon your original name in your local language if it is translated into another that you're not even familiar with and then ask your friends and family to accept the new?

I doubt if you would.

And if you would not, why do you think you can out of your own whims and capricises adopt a translated version in place of the original name presumely given by a Divine being to his only begotten son and you think it doesn't matter ?

My justification is simple... Jesus Christ never commanded me to maintain His name in the Hebrew pronunciation of it.

If maintaining the Hebrew integrity of His name was of great importance, surely He, Jesus Christ, would have stated this clearly in the New Covenant Law which He brought us. A law would have been the best way to make such clear to us but Jesus Christ gave us no such.

Kobojunkie:
My justification is simple... Jesus Christ never commanded me to maintain His name in the Hebrew pronunciation of it.

If maintaining the Hebrew integrity of His name was of great importance, surely He, Jesus Christ, would have stated this clearly in the New Covenant Law which He brought us. A law would have been the best way to make such clear to us but Jesus Christ gave us no such.

If that's the case ,why the Greek version and not the one translated into your own language?

The Op already suggested Bros j . Why don't you pray with that or what would be wrong if anyone choose to?

If you only do what Jesus asked you to do , I doubt you would be on the Internet having this conversation with me.

triplechoice:

If that's the case ,why the Greek version and not the one translated into your own language?

2. The Op already suggested Bros j . Why don't you pray with that or what would be wrong if anyone choose to?

3. If you only do what Jesus asked you to do , I doubt you would be on the Internet having this conversation with me.

1. Jesus Christ is the English translation of the name and since English is my primary language, Jesus it is for me..

2. So, I should acquiesce to the OP's suggestion of a different name because?

3. If you are unable to grasp the meaning of what Jesus Christ commands and why it is that we are to submit to and obey His teachings alone even as we continue to live in this world, ask.

Kobojunkie:
God Scratch that...in the beginning, I was unsure too of whether He did or did not. So I decided to Trust to an Almighty Soverign God is God-enough to maintain His Word and Truth through the ages and and reveal the lies to those who seek Him.

And after I began doing just that , trusting Him , He showed us and has been teaching me His Way and Truth since then, and that is how I came to learn that He did speak through even Jeremiah.

Yes or no ?
Are you saying God spoke to you and told you that all Jeremiah said was said by him to Jeremiah ?
Since you cancelled God after typing it i don't understand your answer.
Please just answer Yes OR NO

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ is the English translation of the name and since English is my primary language, Jesus it is for me..

2. So, I should acquiesce to the OP's suggestion of a different name because?

3. If you are unable to grasp the meaning of what Jesus Christ commands and why it is that we are to submit to and obey His teachings alone even as we continue to live in this world, ask.

In reference to No 2 .: Not just a different name but the name he (YEHOSHUA) was called while he lived on the Earth.

Trustnoman4life:

Yes or no ?
Are you saying God spoke to you and told you that all Jeremiah said was said by him to Jeremiah ?
Since you cancelled God after typing it i don't understand your answer.
Please just answer Yes OR NO

No, God didn't need to tell me that He spoke all that through Jeremiah, He instead confirms the statements attributed to His being in the writing of Jeremiah.