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justmi1:
I laugh when I see posts like this. It's not about Bsc or Hnd. Like someone stated some Hnd graduates are better than thier Bsc counterparts and vice versa; it all depends on the individual's zeal to develop and learn more.

I'm an Hnd graduate and I was manager at a private organization for 6 years where I constantly interviewed Msc graduates that appeared not so sound.

I had about 20 people who worked under my supervision. In the end, I resigned to start my company and now have almost 10 staff, because I learnt on the job.


So it's up to you NOT to limit yourself based on your qualification. Moreover where are jobs even for Bsc graduates?

actually is about building yourself, my lecturer who graduates 2016 was gisting us his plight before he could get internship placement despite his Distinction degree.

edunaragold:
thank God am employed in Nigeria air force with common technical college sat ,and my salaries and allowance is almost 150,make I hold my job tight o,kia this life no balance am proud to be a soldier in the air force with my hand work oo,any way let me take my time n build my house and become a landlord first before I think or contemplate to further .thank u Lord

Lol

Wahala for who dey find job, self employed has taken over. Go and create job for yourself. There is no job anywhere.

Please People go to IT, I am Pharmacy student many medical student don't want to work in hospital setting everyone now is in business or IT that all I can say.

msmon:
However, being academically sound doesn't ensure you will be a sound employee.

To a Greater degree, it Will.
Particularly, if the Job description is inline with what the Bsc holder studied!

HenryDion:
You think they'll listen? I make more than half a mill monthly thanks to my writing skill.

This means I earn more than some folks working 9-5 jobs in an oil company lol...

Digital skill is the way, but the problem most folks encounter is dedicating time to learn.

Imagine dedicating a year or more to learning, without thinking of earning.

It's hard, the reason why they'd prefer to keep looking for a job!

I wonder oooo. After I graduated from UNILAG I don't even stress myself to look for job that is not there. Immediately, I went to learn a skill and I am happy for myself.

Vinnie2000:
It is due to Circumstances!! Many wanted the University admission, but couldn't get it!
But if a Polytechnic graduate comes out of School with Powerful result
And he or She has other Digital/Enterprenuerial skills, the Person will be a Big Time Success!!

Only dat, most are Demotivated!!

thx for the clarification

Adaorababy:
I can relate to this dehumanizing treatment. The dichotomy does not end in when applying for jobs. Even when you're working in that company. You can't go beyond a step on the ladder as an HND graduate. Many times, HND holders are used as contract staff while their BSC counterparts are permanent staff. Very dehumanizing. However, in all fairness, it's easier to get a job as an HND holder than as a BSc holder because they are subjected to meagre pay and most Nigerian firms follow the use and dump approach.

I started to notice this disparity during NYSC whilst commencing the orientation registration process. I heared something like this. Graduates from Federal universities, form first line., Foreign universities, second line Private university, third line, state university, fourth line, Federal and State polytechnics, be on the 5th line and colleges the 6th line.
That discrimination was all shades of wrong on every side. As I was waiting for my category to be called, I remember how my self esteem dropped drastically. Seeing most of the polished in first, second, third and fourth lines and I had to just be on the fifth line. Why The annoying thing is that many people in the 5th and 6th lines looked one kind. Majority of them had natural low self esteem, could not communicate properly, and looked very dull. I felt bad that a bright HND holder like me that graduated with distinction in Banking & Finance could be ridiculed this way. Because of this, throughout my three weeks in camp, I refused to participate in camp activities. Although, it was not difficult to get a job in the financial sector, in fact, I was employed within 4months of completing the NYSC one year program but I could not also watch people that were still in secondary school while I already joined the bank, graduate from the University and become my boss. They had promotions, better career path, were giving cars while my salary remained same for 9years as a contract staff. This was what led to me quitting working in the bank despite my long years of working in the bank and having a PGD and masters and performing excellently well in my designated functions. I was angry that even though, the dichotomy between HND and BSC prevented me from being converted, why wasn't I converted despite furthering and having a masters degree?

School is scam!!! Nigeria is scam!!!

Sorry o. I know this must have been painful for you but I couldn't help but laugh.
Nigeria is a wicked country.

We might not take it or believe it but the simple truth is that there is no way you can equate HND with Bsc

If It is not Bsc, it is not Bsc.

HND plus PGD is not Bsc.

Securing or getting a job at times depends on luck. With HND it is possible to get a high paying job but the fact still remains that someone with Bsc has an edge over HND holders.

All with HND certificate should go for conversion as early as possible.

I left unn long time ago, I stayed in odenigwe...Barth okolo was my vc

Kingosytex:
Great Lion!!
I'm a Super Lion, graduated in 2017.
Studied Civil Engineering.
How's the den?

StayMotivated:
Nairalanders please help me i need a job. I concluded my NYSC in 2019, I'm presently working at a place here in Lagos where i earn 20k per month. Please guys help me i beg you in the name of God. i can send my CV for further information. Thanks in advance.

Next time, state the course you studied and the skills you have. You can also add your preferred location and the kind of job you think you're fit in

Whether hnd Holder or degree holder make sure you contribute 60 percent professional and creative development to your workplace development in terms of all aspects technological, financial and others

StayMotivated:
Nairalanders please help me i need a job. I concluded my NYSC in 2019, I'm presently working at a place here in Lagos where i earn 20k per month. Please guys help me i beg you in the name of God. i can send my CV for further information. Thanks in advance.

Is well bro.... Lil contribution, please in as much as some people will discourage you about this platform"LinkedIn" please join that platform and register with them, follow their daily vacancy update and keep applying, you'll certainly land a better offer their. I and some friends are testimonies.

Who care,
I have HND and am working In a reputable organization (Telecom industry) but train my self shaaaaa.
If the world brings you down don't look down on your self. You are unique in your own ways and formidable to make impacts in your world. Equip your self with all relevant training. Believe in yourself that you can do all things �
Life goes on bro

OgThanos:
Slawonir..

Meaning

Adaorababy:
I can relate to this dehumanizing treatment. The dichotomy does not end in when applying for jobs. Even when you're working in that company. You can't go beyond a step on the ladder as an HND graduate. Many times, HND holders are used as contract staff while their BSC counterparts are permanent staff. Very dehumanizing. However, in all fairness, it's easier to get a job as an HND holder than as a BSc holder because they are subjected to meagre pay and most Nigerian firms follow the use and dump approach.

I started to notice this disparity during NYSC whilst commencing the orientation registration process. I heared something like this. Graduates from Federal universities, form first line., Foreign universities, second line Private university, third line, state university, fourth line, Federal and State polytechnics, be on the 5th line and colleges the 6th line.
That discrimination was all shades of wrong on every side. As I was waiting for my category to be called, I remember how my self esteem dropped drastically. Seeing most of the polished in first, second, third and fourth lines and I had to just be on the fifth line. Why The annoying thing is that many people in the 5th and 6th lines looked one kind. Majority of them had natural low self esteem, could not communicate properly, and looked very dull. I felt bad that a bright HND holder like me that graduated with distinction in Banking & Finance could be ridiculed this way. Because of this, throughout my three weeks in camp, I refused to participate in camp activities. Although, it was not difficult to get a job in the financial sector, in fact, I was employed within 4months of completing the NYSC one year program but I could not also watch people that were still in secondary school while I already joined the bank, graduate from the University and become my boss. They had promotions, better career path, were giving cars while my salary remained same for 9years as a contract staff. This was what led to me quitting working in the bank despite my long years of working in the bank and having a PGD and masters and performing excellently well in my designated functions. I was angry that even though, the dichotomy between HND and BSC prevented me from being converted, why wasn't I converted despite furthering and having a masters degree?

School is scam!!! Nigeria is scam!!!

This your comment got me Shocked and somehow Sad
Even as a Uni graduate..

Profiling Graduates by means of Schools attended?
Which NYSC State orientation camp is this?

lagusboyyy:
The company only used the HND stuff to reduce the mass turnout of job seekers a little.

Even having a P.hD does not mean anything in the labour market. It will get to a point that its only job seekers with first class degree that will even be considered.

Lord help us.

Most organizations look beyound paper certificates,they are more interested in your skills and experience. The Bachelor's degree is just the entry ticket to be recognized.

aylive02:
I don't just understand this discrimination. Lot of HND grads are far better than university graduates and vice versa. If I could remember, Government don remove this dichotomy more than 5 times but the thing still dey there. Private sectors hate to hear the word polytechnic. It's only government jobs that do not discriminate

A minority . . . BTW, I'm skeptical of graduates from anything outside federal universities, and a few private schools.

147abbey:
Who care,
I have HND and am working In a reputable organization (Telecom industry) but train my self shaaaaa.
If the world brings you down don't look down on your self. You are unique in your own ways and formidable to make impacts in your world. Equip your self with all relevant training. Believe in yourself that you can do all things �
Life goes on bro

Dats just the Best advice for any Polytechnic and indeed higher institution graduate out there!
'Believe in Yourself'

I have HND. Several years ago, I lost many job opportunities because of the useless employers of labour. Now, I have a PDG, a Masters and currently on another Masters.

But, for 8 years, while still having only HND, I worked in 5 different Banks, only the first one as a Contract staff. E no go better for the designers of Nigeria's educational system. So, as the OP rightly said, HND is not the problem.

gurunlocker:
And the fact is most polytechnic graduates are good with practicals and coming up with something great compared to a university graduate!

Yes, because they have breaks in between their program to work.

orohbiro:
Education na scam business is the way just finish secondary school get sense every nothing go fall into place. Though am a graduate sha

False!

You would have added "In Nigeria", maybe I would accept.

You claim to be a graduate and still fail to realize the potentials of education.

You think it's with illiteracy that will make you go over $200k per annum?

Even within the Poly I initially attended, the lecturers that had BSc were much higher on the ladder than the HND holders. It s a systemic problem created by Nigerians for Nigerians. Nigeria is too "somehow".

He have to Sue the recruiter for compensation for time and resources wasted.
He applied for the jobs and they invited him for the interview. Why couldn't they checke his credentials before the interview invitation.
Besides, the requirements for the position should have been clearly stated.
There is something missing here, this information is incomplete

HND holders should go for Top up degree programs. Lectures holds from Fridays through Sunday. Two years, six semesters and you are through. For 4 years courses, two years,4 semesters, you bag your degree.

Mr. OP, stop using sympathetic format....We the elders in council know your type.
You're indirectly happy about the backdrop of a perceived low class graduate trying to compete with you on a particular job Vacancy meant for BSc holder..but you know what; na person when nor know his/her bearing in this time and season dey find work.
Shalom!!!

Read through most comments... Well am a polytechnic graduate with pass, studied civil engineering... But with my skill in Autocad, Revit, Civil 3D, Orion, Prota-Struture, being multi-tasking, excellent communication and liaising skill am currently handling the company's construction project in Asaba and made the business developement supervisor of the company... Well preferred by my boss, in my arrival in the company I have put my BSc counterparts through in so many things inclusive of I.T.... All i can say is love God, acquire skill, add knowledge to knowledge... Them never see anything!!! them go even beg u if u say u wan comot from the company.... Well i got here by grace!

Phd, Msc,MBA, Bsc or HND. The fact is there is no job in Nigeria. Thousands are graduating every year from Universities, both federal, state and private, Polytechnics, both federal, state and private. Government is not creating any job. Npower is just like drop of water inthe ocean. People should learn skill and become independent. Education is a scam in Nigeria. Government has killed education. They employ graduates and pay them stipends, that is why private companies are learning from them how to exploit graduates.It was government that rendered education valueless. God bless Nigerian graduates and punish the leaders.

Adaorababy:
I can relate to this dehumanizing treatment. The dichotomy does not end in when applying for jobs. Even when you're working in that company. You can't go beyond a step on the ladder as an HND graduate. Many times, HND holders are used as contract staff while their BSC counterparts are permanent staff. Very dehumanizing. However, in all fairness, it's easier to get a job as an HND holder than as a BSc holder because they are subjected to meagre pay and most Nigerian firms follow the use and dump approach.

I started to notice this disparity during NYSC whilst commencing the orientation registration process. I heard something like this. Graduates from Federal universities, form first line., Foreign universities, second line Private university, third line, state university, fourth line, Federal and State polytechnics, be on the 5th line and colleges the 6th line.
That profiling was all shades of wrong on every side. As I was waiting for my category to be called, I remember how my self esteem dropped drastically. Seeing most of the polished in first, second, third and fourth lines and I had to just be on the fifth line. Why The annoying thing is that many people in the 5th and 6th lines looked one kind. Majority of them had natural low self esteem, could not communicate properly, and looked very dull. I felt bad that a bright HND holder like me that graduated with distinction in Banking & Finance could be ridiculed this way. Because of this, throughout my three weeks in camp, I refused to participate in camp activities. Although, it was not difficult to get a job in the financial sector, in fact, I was employed within 4months of completing the NYSC one year program but I could not also watch people that were still in secondary school while I already joined the bank, graduate from the University and become my boss. They had promotions, better career path, were giving cars while my salary remained same for 9years as a contract staff. This was what led to me quitting working in the bank despite my long years of working in the bank and having a PGD and masters and performing excellently well in my designated functions. I was angry that even though, the dichotomy between HND and BSC prevented me from being converted, why wasn't I converted despite furthering and having a masters degree?

School is scam!!! Nigeria is scam!!!

I’m so sorry about this your experience. I have seen first hand this discrimination between BSc and HND graduates.
When I was doing my 6months internship as an undergraduate, There was another guy doing his 1 year internship before going for his HND program. He had finished his OND but not yet started his HND. I was in 400 level. I was paid 15k while the OND guy was paid 12k. The guy was so angry. He said it is not like I have finished my BSc or have a degree yet that why should they discriminate. He called the HR and complained to her. The woman told him that it was their policy. After that time, Oga decided that he won’t work for anybody because he can’t subject himself to such discrimination.

But I want you to know that this discriminions is almost everywhere. Especially in countries that carry school certificates on their head.

Bottomofpussy:
Why person go enter poly sef.......na to go waste ur time na.........at d end of d day, u go still blame ursef....... discrimination too much....wen we Dy unn, we Dy see polytechnic student as time wasters, we Dy look down on dem....d tin make my guy(Austin) wey Dy IMT write kom join us for d lions den. He ended up studying electronics engineering......... never allow ur enemy pikin go polytechnic.......job sef no even Dy........God bless Sullivan chime

Na for course for Architecture from IMT my ND2 project beat una 300 level design self.. your final say holds me in high esteem self.. na self development no be just school

Adaorababy:
I can relate to this dehumanizing treatment. The dichotomy does not end in when applying for jobs. Even when you're working in that company. You can't go beyond a step on the ladder as an HND graduate. Many times, HND holders are used as contract staff while their BSC counterparts are permanent staff. Very dehumanizing. However, in all fairness, it's easier to get a job as an HND holder than as a BSc holder because they are subjected to meagre pay and most Nigerian firms follow the use and dump approach.

I started to notice this disparity during NYSC whilst commencing the orientation registration process. I heard something like this. Graduates from Federal universities, form first line., Foreign universities, second line Private university, third line, state university, fourth line, Federal and State polytechnics, be on the 5th line and colleges the 6th line.
That profiling was all shades of wrong on every side. As I was waiting for my category to be called, I remember how my self esteem dropped drastically. Seeing most of the polished in first, second, third and fourth lines and I had to just be on the fifth line. Why The annoying thing is that many people in the 5th and 6th lines looked one kind. Majority of them had natural low self esteem, could not communicate properly, and looked very dull. I felt bad that a bright HND holder like me that graduated with distinction in Banking & Finance could be ridiculed this way. Because of this, throughout my three weeks in camp, I refused to participate in camp activities. Although, it was not difficult to get a job in the financial sector, in fact, I was employed within 4months of completing the NYSC one year program but I could not also watch people that were still in secondary school while I already joined the bank, graduate from the University and become my boss. They had promotions, better career path, were giving cars while my salary remained same for 9years as a contract staff. This was what led to me quitting working in the bank despite my long years of working in the bank and having a PGD and masters and performing excellently well in my designated functions. I was angry that even though, the dichotomy between HND and BSC prevented me from being converted, why wasn't I converted despite furthering and having a masters degree?

School is scam!!! Nigeria is scam!!!

Are the requirements for entry into HND and BSc the same? Why is comprehension difficult for most black people?