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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 11:37am On Aug 31, 2021
Another cb
God cry cry cry cry
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 11:39am On Aug 31, 2021
Spy360:

How can we be crying sign sign and when they sign we say it's too expensive?

With our current situation, we CANNOT sign Maddison or any elite player. PSG got Messi for free, but even if we pay 100m Messi won't join us. That's the situation we are in. We are not in CL for Fks sake, and clubs are ready to cash in on our plan to rebuild and get back. So if we see a fairly decent player we should be willing to sacrifice and hope things work out and stop whining about the fee.
False!!
But lemme wait for transfer window closure first.
Lemme bookmark this post sef
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 11:41am On Aug 31, 2021
iamoyindamola:
Another cb
God cry cry cry cry
Is it not same 20m we didn't have for Emerson Royal that's a standard Rb ? grin
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 11:43am On Aug 31, 2021
20m for another cb, you can't tell me arteta is not on a mission to ruin us
we fvcking need midfielders
We are surely going to 3 man defense
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 11:43am On Aug 31, 2021
Jodera:
Is it not same 20m we didn't have for Emerson Royale? grin
I am tired
I am exhausted
This is not funny anymore, it is becoming scary
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 11:46am On Aug 31, 2021
iamoyindamola:

I am tired
I am exhausted
This is not funny anymore, it is becoming scary
Lol... Spy say make I wait till transfer window closes.

I'll patiently wait cheesy
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 11:47am On Aug 31, 2021
Jodera:
Is it not same 20m we didn't have for Emerson Royal that's a standard Rb ? grin
He can play RB grin grin
He's versatile
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 11:51am On Aug 31, 2021
iamoyindamola:

He can play RB grin grin
He's versatile
na "can play" we need abi we need person who's a Rb by his position. We need someone like Tierney who's a standard in that position not someone like Chambers "who can play" Rb

Sha make I no too conclude on the guy sha. But him being a Cb first na wetin dey cause this my rant
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 11:54am On Aug 31, 2021
Jodera:
na "can play" we need abi we need person who's a Rb by his position. We need someone like Tierney who's a standard in that position not someone like Chambers "who can play" Rb

Omo, e dey tiring abeg
All i am seeing is panic buy
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 11:56am On Aug 31, 2021
I was expecting max aarons
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Akinbahm(m): 11:56am On Aug 31, 2021
iamoyindamola:
20m for another cb, you can't tell me arteta is not on a mission to ruin us
we fvcking need midfielders
We are surely going to 3 man defense

Arteta aim is to secure EPL title this season and he is doing so by getting the defense more solid... grin grin grin
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 11:58am On Aug 31, 2021
iamoyindamola:

All i am seeing is panic buy
sha make we dey watch.
Maybe na remix of 2011/12 season wey dem do bend down select for us dem wan do again.
After all Arteta was one of the bend down select then grin
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 11:58am On Aug 31, 2021
Akinbahm:


Arteta aim is to secure EPL title this season and he is doing so by getting the defense more solid... grin grin grin
Defense win you league
We are on track
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 11:59am On Aug 31, 2021
iamoyindamola:
I was expecting max aarons
Jumia "what you were expecting" Vs "what you got" grin grin
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 12:03pm On Aug 31, 2021
Jodera:
sha make we dey watch.
Maybe na remix of 2011/12 season wey dem do bend down select for us dem wan do again.
After all Arteta was one of the bend down select then grin
History repeating itself
We were flogged like thief at manchester on 28/08/2011
Same happened on 28/08/2021
Last day we got 5 players which arteta was part of grin grin
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jencejyde(m): 12:10pm On Aug 31, 2021
Jodera:
True 200%

Duff my hat to you on this. Precisely succinct!

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jencejyde(m): 12:11pm On Aug 31, 2021
ObaIgwe1:
Every serious organisation has what we call hierarchical structure. I am certain Arsenal has one. The authority down the ladder is meant to be respected from bottom up without question, yes the respect is binding, and no, it is not only when it is earned. The coach is damm high on the ladder than the players. Any attempt to encourage those at the bottom of the ladder to disrespect those on top of the ladder is a call for Anarchy.... A total break down of law and order. Business/Football Organisational management is not a military arrangement, but it is not a democracy either or a lawless Banana Republic. If you cannot abide by an organisation rules and order, you simply resign and leave. Even a voluntary organisation has rules of engagement and disengagement that must be followed by members.

Does that mean everyone on top hierarchy is good and qualified to be there? NO. Most organisation have ways of getting feedback and performance rating of their managers. It is even so easy to get in an organisation like Arsenal. The results are out every week. Also every organisation has channels of addressing grievances.... call for Anarchy is not one of them.

We must learn to separate Arteta's character and competence from the position he occupies. Yes he appears incompetent and has character problem... but as long as he occupies that office, no player should disrespect him or publicly criticize him, it is unprofessional. Even Arteta's employer will not do that.

So how can Arteta be checked and questioned? The board that employs him who are higher in authority can receive complaints about him, query him and sack him when necessary.

This is the way management works...and this is elementary management theory.


Well put. Absolutely precise!

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 12:28pm On Aug 31, 2021
Jodera:
Lol... Na today be the last day ooo. No lead and nothing. Even the Rb ish I just read is not available cos dem no fit drop 10m more.

You see that bolded, I will answer you on that after the transfer window closes
We are signing Takehiro Tomiyasu from Bologna. RB.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Silentgroper(m): 12:29pm On Aug 31, 2021
Jodera:
I tell you.. And to think Edu claims he has experience in Iran country and his country Brazil. Abi na so him take run these inefficiencies for there?? cheesy
Do u guys want edward? ... Edward been no wan sign new contract with us.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Silentgroper(m): 12:33pm On Aug 31, 2021
iamoyindamola:
Another cb
God cry cry cry cry
To be candid, u guys need another, but an experienced one. All those chicken bones una pack 4 back, no be am o.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 12:35pm On Aug 31, 2021
Silentgroper:
To be candid, u guys need another, but an experienced one. All those chicken bones una pack 4 back, no be am o.
No we don't, we need strong block 4 and a CM
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 12:38pm On Aug 31, 2021
Jodera:
False!!
But lemme wait for transfer window closure first.
Lemme bookmark this post sef
Lol. Why not give me proof instead of shouting false.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Silentgroper(m): 12:42pm On Aug 31, 2021
iamoyindamola:

No we don't, we need strong block 4 and a CM
Toor. Whatever! .. Mke we jam fas fas. Mke we use una collect point, na as e dey do me 4 body.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Silentgroper(m): 12:55pm On Aug 31, 2021
Spy360:

We are signing Takehiro Tomiyasu from Bologna. RB.
Japanese players dat are known to flop in epl. Kikikikiki. grin .

I bet he wont perform any better dan kagawa nd minamino.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 1:10pm On Aug 31, 2021
Silentgroper:
Japanese players dat are known to flop in epl. Kikikikiki. grin .

I bet he wont perform any better dan kagawa nd minamino.
While you're right, you're not absolutely right. undecided
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by johnjunior39(m): 1:28pm On Aug 31, 2021
Willian and Nelson out, no winger replacement so we are left with Pepe and Saka as the only natural wingers with Rowe and Auba as alternatives..... okay ohhhh Edu and Arteta weldone ohhhh.


People that hate arsenal that call themselves legend plenty sha
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ObaIgwe1: 1:35pm On Aug 31, 2021
Spy360:

My brother I don't think anyone disagrees with this your point, and definitely not Roland. But I also believe you will agree that despite the unwritten rule of respect and professionalism, every individual leader also has a role to play to earn (or to deserve) the respect.

Based on the feedbacks we are getting, Arteta needs to do more than he is doing right now.

Perhaps the squad is too big and low in quality, which makes selection criteria difficult to maintain. However, we hope that as the squad is gradually trimmed down, such processes will be clear to all and sundry. So that all the constant bickering will stop.

I agree with you on Arteta and your squad assessment... and I dont think I ever consider Arteta's character and performance as being above average.

Also I understand this natural leader (born leader) concept, the one that becomes a leader by earning the respect of others, that is good when we are looking for a community or voluntary association leader. But corporate organisation works by rules and regulation. The office is higher than personality occupying it. Yes it is an added advantage if you are a manager and also a natural leader... But even without the leadership gift, the office must be respected and all must follow organisation rules and regulations.

And even at that, if you bring out 100 leaders, you might still get 100 different leadership styles. And we cannot even say that a particular leadership style is better than another. In certain settings like Military, Autocratic or Authoritarian leadership works better, while
Democratic or Participative leadership works better in other settings. The Laissez-faire or Free-rein leadership is not meant for many cooperate organisation. Also a leadership style that works in one organisation might fail woefully in another. So what justifies a particular leadership style is the successful result that comes after.

No one would have had problem with Arteta's leadership style even with his big ego and character if he knows what he is doing and he is successful. There are other managers with bigger ego, but they know what they are doing and no one is calling for their sack. But we know Arteta is failing, so we need a change... And I am making that call for a change too.

My difference with Roland is that he believes players should be free to express themselves as they wish, which I partly agree with but don't fully agree to. You can complain to your manager on all issues and if no result, express yourself and manager's failure to the board that hired him.... But openly criticizing your boss/manager or giving him attitude of disrespect is unprofessional. For that he thinks I am defending Arteta's actions "with my life experience", which is not true. While we give Arteta stick for his bad choices and failure, we should not also support players' insubordination, disrespect and unprofessional conduct. We must separate the two.

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Oasis007(m): 1:45pm On Aug 31, 2021
grin

Una jez dey disrupt tw left and right ...... na una be mvp of dis tw
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ObaIgwe1: 1:52pm On Aug 31, 2021
Finally we got him

The most potent striker of the universe who scores for fun .... DIno10

Signed for 500M - The most expensive ever! grin

Personal terms agreed grin

Medical completed grin

Congratulations Gunners! grin grin


Timaya playing....This life i cant kill myself

Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 1:59pm On Aug 31, 2021
ObaIgwe1:


I agree with you on Arteta and your squad assessment... and I dont think I ever consider Arteta's character and performance as being above average.

Also I understand this natural leader (born leader) concept, the one that becomes a leader by earning the respect of others, that is good when we are looking for a community or voluntary association leader. But corporate organisation works by rules and regulation. The office is higher than personality occupying it. Yes it is an added advantage if you are a manager and also a natural leader... But even without the leadership gift, the office must be respected and all must follow organisation rules and regulations.

And even at that, if you bring out 100 leaders, you might still get 100 different leadership styles. And we cannot even say that a particular leadership style is better than another. In certain settings like Military, Autocratic or Authoritarian leadership works better, while
Democratic or Participative leadership works better in other settings. The Laissez-faire or Free-rein leadership is not meant for many cooperate organisation. Also a leadership style that works in one organisation might fail woefully in another. So what justifies a particular leadership style is the successful result that comes after.

No one would have had problem with Arteta's leadership style even with his big ego and character if he knows what he is doing and he is successful. There are other managers with bigger ego, but they know what they are doing and no one is calling for their sack. But we know Arteta is failing, so we need a change... And I am making that call for a change too.

My difference with Roland is that he believes players should be free to express themselves as they wish, which I partly agree with but don't fully agree to. You can complain to your manager on all issues and if no result, express yourself and manager's failure to the board that hired him.... But openly criticizing your boss/manager or giving him attitude of disrespect is unprofessional. For that he thinks I am defending Arteta's actions "with my life experience", which is not true. While we give Arteta stick for his bad choices and failure, we should not also support players' insubordination, disrespect and unprofessional conduct. We must separate the two.
I think you and Roland have the same ideas but coming from different directions. My former boss once told me that as you grow higher in the management cadre, personal relationship becomes more important than technical ability. At a point in management, the way you treat your subordinate becomes more important than how good you are in the job. That's because you will no longer be doing those direct jobs but rather supervising.

Roland17 believes that Arteta's treatment of the players may have warranted their public criticism. While that is not an excuse for insubordination, (which he - Roland accepts) the manager's contributions towards that should also be questioned.

We all remember when Jose publicly criticised his players and was sacked at Chelsea, Man Utd and even Tottenham.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ObaIgwe1: 2:11pm On Aug 31, 2021
Spy360:

I think you and Roland have the same ideas but coming from different directions. My former boss once told me that as you grow higher in the management cadre, personal relationship becomes more important than technical ability. At a point in management, the way you treat your subordinate becomes more important than how good you are in the job. That's because you will no longer be doing those direct jobs but rather supervising.

Roland17 believes that Arteta's treatment of the players may have warranted their public criticism. While that is not an excuse for insubordination, (which he - Roland accepts) the manager's contributions towards that should also be questioned.

We all remember when Jose publicly criticised his players and was sacked at Chelsea, Man Utd and even Tottenham.

The bold is exactly the point. It is not an acceptable conduct, it is very unprofessional. No matter the frustration and provocation, that is a No-Go area either from the board or manager or the player to openly criticize each other. Our anger with Arteta should not blind us to right and wrong conduct from players.

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Roland17(m): 2:29pm On Aug 31, 2021
Spy360:

I think you and Roland have the same ideas but coming from different directions. My former boss once told me that as you grow higher in the management cadre, personal relationship becomes more important than technical ability. At a point in management, the way you treat your subordinate becomes more important than how good you are in the job. That's because you will no longer be doing those direct jobs but rather supervising.

Roland17 believes that Arteta's treatment of the players may have warranted their public criticism. While that is not an excuse for insubordination, (which he - Roland accepts) the manager's contributions towards that should also be questioned.

We all remember when Jose publicly criticised his players and was sacked at Chelsea, Man Utd and even Tottenham.

"Relationships precede results" It is a common term in modern management!

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