Stargate254:
That's the kind of close minded thinking that makes us not even bother starting our own defense industries in the first place..... You don't need to be making "license built" weapons for you to make quality products 10 years from now... you can go from zero to 60 pretty quick these days. And if the expertise and the experience isn't there, there are plenty of experts in the diaspora working in world renowned companies that we can bring back home to give us the expertise that we need....

I mean, look at the Ezwugu MRAP that Nigeria makes, first version looked like they took a chassis and wielded armourments as a body and called it an MRAP, It looked funny, it looked to heavy.... A few years later, each newer version looked more professional, and now if you put that MRAP in the middle of others in a Military exhibition show in Dubai or Paris, no one will doubt that it belongs there.

And if you think about it, Manufacturing equipment isn't the biggest challenge to owning an invention, the biggest challenge is designing and simulating that the product works even before you make the first prototype for testing.... When you are license building something you don't get to make decisions or gain a lot of experience on this part, You are making products that have already been designed and tested, you are basically following step by step instructions made by the real inventors. So we can start by sending our brightest to these institutions to learn from the best before coming back to do wonders.

So I say, lets pick our brightest minds from universities to make those 2nd class indigenous equipment worth hundreds of million(in research)... Lets then test them and learn from where we went wrong and try and improve on it.... 30 years from now, we will be asking ourselves why we start right after independence for we would be years decades ahead.

High technological CNC machine centres with multi axis systems. Horizontal, vertical, multi-pallet horizontal and multi axis milling centres. Tumbling department.
Computerized tridimensional checking machining DEA, microscopes, roughness and roundness testers. SIT centres for testing and calibration measurements of all tools and samples. Assembly department. Spark erosion and EDM wire cutting equipment. 3D modelling software, FEM method analysis. Surface finishing, electropolishing, black anodizing and phosphating process department. Are they enough to understand the aim we have today?

Covert1:


Apparently you don't live on this planet and allows whatever your befuddled mind tells it to think. That you can write some English doesn't actually mean you can make sense.

Even the South African Military themselves reading you comparing them with the Nigerians in terms of active duty combat capabilities across board both in men and material in today's world will be laughing themselves at the irony of your statement let alone any serious military analyst. You need a better weed to smoke along with the ghosts putting likes on your ignominious diatribe. Allow me laugh abeg

Refined skill and experience mbok with commanders who can't even match in step World war 11 equipment ni Oya comedy man salator give us some new jokes you sabi am

Odunayaw:
mud fights and diapers next

Randlord:


What WW2 equipment? Our state of the art equipment is posted here day-in-day out, from the Hornet Special forces vehicles, Oryx and Rooivalk choppers, advanced stealth frigates (while you're still arguing about to get 2 covertes), 4.5 gen aircraft (Gripen), advanced submarines. You have no analogue to many of our capabilities in many areas, e.g. no frigate with anti-ship and anti-air missiles (SA has homemade SAM), no submarines, no 4.5-gen jet (The Gripen's have been around since Mandela .

And we do not make a big fuss about the glaring capabilities gulf between our countries, we're happy for your snail-like progress, e.g. acquiring Tucanos and a handful of jets)

Our operations are detailed in glorious HD for you to see and critique. Right now we're in Eastern Congo, Mozambique and on internal deployment without missing a beat.

When Kabe needs some nice photos of African equipment to lift the doldrums on this forum he knows the SANDF got his back.

But I know you subconsciously hold SA as the benchmark, hence the need to always compare. So no offence taken, your insults are a compliment in fact.

Odunayaw:
mud fights and diapers next

Randlord:


What WW2 equipment? Our state of the art equipment is posted here day-in-day out, from the Hornet Special forces vehicles, Oryx and Rooivalk choppers, advanced stealth frigates (while you're still arguing about to get 2 covertes), 4.5 gen aircraft (Gripen), advanced submarines. You have no analogue to many of our capabilities in many areas, e.g. no frigate with anti-ship and anti-air missiles (SA has homemade SAM), no submarines, no 4.5-gen jet (The Gripen's have been around since Mandela .

And we do not make a big fuss about the glaring capabilities gulf between our countries, we're happy for your snail-like progress, e.g. acquiring Tucanos and a handful of jets)

Our operations are detailed in glorious HD for you to see and critique. Right now we're in Eastern Congo, Mozambique and on internal deployment without missing a beat.

When Kabe needs some nice photos of African equipment to lift the doldrums on this forum he knows the SANDF got his back.

But I know you subconsciously hold SA as the benchmark, hence the need to always compare. So no offence taken, your insults are a compliment in fact.

Covert1:


Actually you know a kid when you hear one, such passion what a beauty. Sry to bust your bubble though, I know it hurts but better when you direct that pain towards your BEE political and military leaders that have managed to take the SADF back a 100 years from what it used to be to a now moribund SANDF with a handful of shiny gear bought almost 20 years ago whilst technology has since moved on.

But yes we agree with you Kabe1 does delight us with your fanciful pics the only problem is they haven't made any tangible difference to suggest otherwise to observers that your military today is not what it used to be.

You might want to start with replacing your almost sole outdated maritime patrol plane and Olifant tanks and perhaps upgrade your few Gripen jets to EF standard, bring out whatever is left of your serviceble Frigate or Submarine from dry dock with qualified personnel in tow before you come here to attempt the Salsa with existing and anticipated Nigerian 3rd generation VT-4 tanks, stand off ST-1 tank destroyers, modern Maritime Patrol planes, new state of the art persistent at sea Ocean Patrol Vessels, Fast Attack Crafts & SDBs, 4th generation dedicated high endurance ISR CT/COIN & border patrol A-29 Super Tucano planes, brand new 4++ Cadre BVR JF-17 Thunder Air Superiority Fighter Jets, Advanced M346 air & ground precision attack fighter jets, Advanced Wing Long 11 & CH-3/CH-4 UCAVs and that's just some of the items on the list of our modern inventory of which nothing of such capability exists in the present SANDF but beyond that highly trained and qualified Nigerian servicemen and women. As we have seen with Afghanistan the man is more important than the machine something you haven't lived up to in recent times with the bare bones you acquired in a corrupt deal under Presidents Nelson Mandela & Thabo Mbeki with President Jacob Zuma getting the kick-backs.

Take a chill pill. I could go further but let's just save your face from public ridicule especially from those who know better these matters. By the way don't even try to go to foreign deployments because you will be thoroughly embarrassed to find out Nigeria actually wrote the original script on which you now brag.

Nigeria does not use South Africa as a benchmark rather the United States and advanced European countries has always been our benchmark of military advancements and developmental indicators. We don't need to use South Africa that has a smaller GDP economy and weaker Army, actually the average Nigerian just sees South Africa as another African country we will need to bail out if its security and economy collapses. We saved you once from slavery and apartheid only I don't know if we will ever do so again after all the ingratitude just like you daring to question who is boss.

EricBraven:

Patriot holster your gun

Covert1:


Actually you know a kid when you hear one, such passion what a beauty. Sry to bust your bubble though, I know it hurts but better when you direct that pain towards your BEE political and military leaders that have managed to take the SADF back a 100 years from what it used to be to a now moribund SANDF with a handful of shiny gear bought almost 20 years ago whilst technology has since moved on.

But yes we agree with you Kabe1 does delight us with your fanciful pics the only problem is they haven't made any tangible difference to suggest otherwise to observers that your military today is not what it used to be.

You might want to start with replacing your almost sole outdated maritime patrol plane and Olifant tanks and perhaps upgrade your few Gripen jets to EF standard, bring out whatever is left of your serviceble Frigate or Submarine from dry dock with qualified personnel in tow before you come here to attempt the Salsa with existing and anticipated Nigerian 3rd generation VT-4 tanks, stand off ST-1 tank destroyers, modern Maritime Patrol planes, new state of the art persistent at sea Ocean Patrol Vessels, Fast Attack Crafts & SDBs, 4th generation dedicated high endurance ISR CT/COIN & border patrol A-29 Super Tucano planes, brand new 4++ Cadre BVR JF-17 Thunder Air Superiority Fighter Jets, Advanced M346 air & ground precision attack fighter jets, Advanced Wing Long 11 & CH-3/CH-4 UCAVs and that's just some of the items on the list of our modern inventory of which nothing of such capability exists in the present SANDF but beyond that highly trained and qualified Nigerian servicemen and women. As we have seen with Afghanistan the man is more important than the machine something you haven't lived up to in recent times with the bare bones you acquired in a corrupt deal under Presidents Nelson Mandela & Thabo Mbeki with President Jacob Zuma getting the kick-backs.

Take a chill pill. I could go further but let's just save your face from public ridicule especially from those who know better these matters. By the way don't even try to go to foreign deployments because you will be thoroughly embarrassed to find out Nigeria actually wrote the original script on which you now brag.

Nigeria does not use South Africa as a benchmark rather the United States and advanced European countries has always been our benchmark of military advancements and developmental indicators. We don't need to use South Africa that has a smaller GDP economy and weaker Army, actually the average Nigerian just sees South Africa as another African country we will need to bail out if its security and economy collapses. We saved you once from slavery and apartheid only I don't know if we will ever do so again after all the ingratitude just like you daring to question who is boss.

Covert1:


Actually you know a kid when you hear one, such passion what a beauty. Sry to bust your bubble though, I know it hurts but better when you direct that pain towards your BEE political and military leaders that have managed to take the SADF back a 100 years from what it used to be to a now moribund SANDF with a handful of shiny gear bought almost 20 years ago whilst technology has since moved on.

But yes we agree with you Kabe1 does delight us with your fanciful pics the only problem is they haven't made any tangible difference to suggest otherwise to observers that your military today is not what it used to be.

You might want to start with replacing your almost sole outdated maritime patrol plane and Olifant tanks and perhaps upgrade your few Gripen jets to EF standard, bring out whatever is left of your serviceble Frigate or Submarine from dry dock with qualified personnel in tow before you come here to attempt the Salsa with existing and anticipated Nigerian 3rd generation VT-4 tanks, stand off ST-1 tank destroyers, modern Maritime Patrol planes, new state of the art persistent at sea Ocean Patrol Vessels, Fast Attack Crafts & SDBs, 4th generation dedicated high endurance ISR CT/COIN & border patrol A-29 Super Tucano planes, brand new 4++ Cadre BVR JF-17 Thunder Air Superiority Fighter Jets, Advanced M346 air & ground precision attack fighter jets, Advanced Wing Long 11 & CH-3/CH-4 UCAVs and that's just some of the items on the list of our modern inventory of which nothing of such capability exists in the present SANDF but beyond that highly trained and qualified Nigerian servicemen and women. As we have seen with Afghanistan the man is more important than the machine something you haven't lived up to in recent times with the bare bones you acquired in a corrupt deal under Presidents Nelson Mandela & Thabo Mbeki with President Jacob Zuma getting the kick-backs.

Take a chill pill. I could go further but let's just save your face from public ridicule especially from those who know better these matters. By the way don't even try to go to foreign deployments because you will be thoroughly embarrassed to find out Nigeria actually wrote the original script on which you now brag.

Nigeria does not use South Africa as a benchmark rather the United States and advanced European countries has always been our benchmark of military advancements and developmental indicators. We don't need to use South Africa that has a smaller GDP economy and weaker Army, actually the average Nigerian just sees South Africa as another African country we will need to bail out if its security and economy collapses. We saved you once from slavery and apartheid only I don't know if we will ever do so again after all the ingratitude just like you daring to question who is boss.

Covert1:


Actually you know a kid when you hear one, such passion what a beauty. Sry to bust your bubble though, I know it hurts but better when you direct that pain towards your BEE political and military leaders that have managed to take the SADF back a 100 years from what it used to be to a now moribund SANDF with a handful of shiny gear bought almost 20 years ago whilst technology has since moved on.

But yes we agree with you Kabe1 does delight us with your fanciful pics the only problem is they haven't made any tangible difference to suggest otherwise to observers that your military today is not what it used to be.

You might want to start with replacing your almost sole outdated maritime patrol plane and Olifant tanks and perhaps upgrade your few Gripen jets to EF standard, bring out whatever is left of your serviceble Frigate or Submarine from dry dock with qualified personnel in tow before you come here to attempt the Salsa with existing and anticipated Nigerian 3rd generation VT-4 tanks, stand off ST-1 tank destroyers, modern Maritime Patrol planes, new state of the art persistent at sea Ocean Patrol Vessels, Fast Attack Crafts & SDBs, 4th generation dedicated high endurance ISR CT/COIN & border patrol A-29 Super Tucano planes, brand new 4++ Cadre BVR JF-17 Thunder Air Superiority Fighter Jets, Advanced M346 air & ground precision attack fighter jets, Advanced Wing Long 11 & CH-3/CH-4 UCAVs and that's just some of the items on the list of our modern inventory of which nothing of such capability exists in the present SANDF but beyond that highly trained and qualified Nigerian servicemen and women. As we have seen with Afghanistan the man is more important than the machine something you haven't lived up to in recent times with the bare bones you acquired in a corrupt deal under Presidents Nelson Mandela & Thabo Mbeki with President Jacob Zuma getting the kick-backs.

Take a chill pill. I could go further but let's just save your face from public ridicule especially from those who know better these matters. By the way don't even try to go to foreign deployments because you will be thoroughly embarrassed to find out Nigeria actually wrote the original script on which you now brag.

Nigeria does not use South Africa as a benchmark rather the United States and advanced European countries has always been our benchmark of military advancements and developmental indicators. We don't need to use South Africa that has a smaller GDP economy and weaker Army, actually the average Nigerian just sees South Africa as another African country we will need to bail out if its security and economy collapses. We saved you once from slavery and apartheid only I don't know if we will ever do so again after all the ingratitude just like you daring to question who is boss.

Covert1:


Actually you know a kid when you hear one, such passion what a beauty. Sry to bust your bubble though, I know it hurts but better when you direct that pain towards your BEE political and military leaders that have managed to take the SADF back a 100 years from what it used to be to a now moribund SANDF with a handful of shiny gear bought almost 20 years ago whilst technology has since moved on.

But yes we agree with you Kabe1 does delight us with your fanciful pics the only problem is they haven't made any tangible difference to suggest otherwise to observers that your military today is not what it used to be.

You might want to start with replacing your almost sole outdated maritime patrol plane and Olifant tanks and perhaps upgrade your few Gripen jets to EF standard, bring out whatever is left of your serviceble Frigate or Submarine from dry dock with qualified personnel in tow before you come here to attempt the Salsa with existing and anticipated Nigerian 3rd generation VT-4 tanks, stand off ST-1 tank destroyers, modern Maritime Patrol planes, new state of the art persistent at sea Ocean Patrol Vessels, Fast Attack Crafts & SDBs, 4th generation dedicated high endurance ISR CT/COIN & border patrol A-29 Super Tucano planes, brand new 4++ Cadre BVR JF-17 Thunder Air Superiority Fighter Jets, Advanced M346 air & ground precision attack fighter jets, Advanced Wing Long 11 & CH-3/CH-4 UCAVs and that's just some of the items on the list of our modern inventory of which nothing of such capability exists in the present SANDF but beyond that highly trained and qualified Nigerian servicemen and women. As we have seen with Afghanistan the man is more important than the machine something you haven't lived up to in recent times with the bare bones you acquired in a corrupt deal under Presidents Nelson Mandela & Thabo Mbeki with President Jacob Zuma getting the kick-backs.

Take a chill pill. I could go further but let's just save your face from public ridicule especially from those who know better these matters. By the way don't even try to go to foreign deployments because you will be thoroughly embarrassed to find out Nigeria actually wrote the original script on which you now brag.

Nigeria does not use South Africa as a benchmark rather the United States and advanced European countries has always been our benchmark of military advancements and developmental indicators. We don't need to use South Africa that has a smaller GDP economy and weaker Army, actually the average Nigerian just sees South Africa as another African country we will need to bail out if its security and economy collapses. We saved you once from slavery and apartheid only I don't know if we will ever do so again after all the ingratitude just like you daring to question who is boss.

Army divisions today include a combat aviation brigade with 48 AH-64s, 30 UH-60s, and 12 CH-47s. This brigade also fields eight UH-60 command-and-control aircraft and 12 HH-60 medevac aircraft, as well as 12 RQ-7 and 12 MQ-1C unmanned aerial vehicles.

The 101st was unique in that it normally conducted operations 150 to 300 kilometers beyond the line of contact or forward-line-of-own-troops, requiring theater- and national-level intelligence support as a matter of course.

Capable of inserting a 4,000 soldier combined arms task force, 150-kilometers into enemy terrain in one lift, and possessing 281 helicopters, including three battalions of Apache attack helicopters, the division was one of the most versatile in the Army.

Covert1:
A Myanmar Air Force JF-17M Thunder armed with what appears to be a 2 × PL-12 or SD-10A BVR missiles some experts believe are nigh impossible to defend against. The JF-17 Thunder being a sovereign buy unlike most western jets with use limitations can also launch nuclear armed or conventional cruise missiles, anti-ship missiles and can fire its BVR missiles from extreme stand-off ranges.

Sad thing our new CDS and CAS is not media savvy to let the world see more of its new arsenal but this pic right here gives away what potentially does exist currently in the NAF. That is real shock and awe strategic power.

Covert1:


Actually you know a kid when you hear one, such passion what a beauty. Sry to bust your bubble though, I know it hurts but better when you direct that pain towards your BEE political and military leaders that have managed to take the SADF back a 100 years from what it used to be to a now moribund SANDF with a handful of shiny gear bought almost 20 years ago whilst technology has since moved on.

But yes we agree with you Kabe1 does delight us with your fanciful pics the only problem is they haven't made any tangible difference to suggest otherwise to observers that your military today is not what it used to be.

You might want to start with replacing your almost sole outdated maritime patrol plane and Olifant tanks and perhaps upgrade your few Gripen jets to EF standard, bring out whatever is left of your serviceble Frigate or Submarine from dry dock with qualified personnel in tow before you come here to attempt the Salsa with[b] existing and anticipated Nigerian 3rd generation VT-4 tanks[/b], stand off ST-1 tank destroyers, modern Maritime Patrol planes, new state of the art persistent at sea Ocean Patrol Vessels, Fast Attack Crafts & SDBs, 4th generation dedicated high endurance ISR CT/COIN & border patrol A-29 Super Tucano planes, brand new 4++ Cadre BVR JF-17 Thunder Air [b]Superiority Fighter Jets, Advanced M346 air & ground precision attack fighter jets, Advanced Wing Long 11 & CH-3/CH-4 UCAVs and that's just some of the items on the list of our modern inventory of which nothing of such capability exists in the present SANDF but beyond that highly trained and qualified Nigerian servicemen and women. [/b]As we have seen with Afghanistan the man is more important than the machine something you haven't lived up to in recent times with the bare bones you acquired in a corrupt deal under Presidents Nelson Mandela & Thabo Mbeki with President Jacob Zuma getting the kick-backs.

Take a chill pill. I could go further but let's just save your face from public ridicule especially from those who know better these matters. By the way don't even try to go to foreign deployments because you will be thoroughly embarrassed to find out Nigeria actually wrote the original script on which you now brag.

Nigeria does not use South Africa as a benchmark rather the United States and advanced European countries has always been our benchmark of military advancements and developmental indicators. We don't need to use South Africa that has a smaller GDP economy and weaker Army, actually the average Nigerian just sees South Africa as another African country we will need to bail out if its security and economy collapses. We saved you once from slavery and apartheid only I don't know if we will ever do so again after all the ingratitude just like you daring to question who is boss.

Randlord:


Your myriad of maritime assets are armed with what missiles? What happens when your maritime ISR assets spot a Valour-class frigate in the Gulf of Guinea? Nothing. One Valour Class will blast that plane from the skies with our AAM
(homemade) and sink your whole naval fleet of tiny vessels - FACT!

You talk about your numerous air assets. Pray do tell what missiles are they armed with? Our front line fighters are armed with IRST missiles and A-Darter. It's no contest, 2 Gripens will blast your fighters and Tucanos to kingdom come - FACT!

Everything else is emotional drivel. The FACTS are clear as day.

JOSCOFELIX:
oga which gripen are talking about ? Is the one without modern tech? Let me tell you the truth,we will not use our j 17 ,our m346fa ,f 7, we will use our alpha jet to fall you guy gripen or na greenpen. Nigeria atr 42 can be armed with misslie if the need comes.so your toy ship is not important or submarine is not important .let me tell you the truth you guy valour ship is ilke a covrttee not frigate.

JOSCOFELIX:
oga which gripen are talking about ? Is the one without modern tech? Let me tell you the truth,we will not use our j 17 ,our m346fa ,f 7, we will use our alpha jet to fall you guy gripen or na greenpen. Nigeria atr 42 can be armed with misslie if the need comes.so your toy ship is not important or submarine is not important .let me tell you the truth you guy valour ship is ilke a covrttee not frigate.

JOSCOFELIX:
oga which gripen are talking about ? Is the one without modern tech? Let me tell you the truth,we will not use our j 17 ,our m346fa ,f 7, we will use our alpha jet to fall you guy gripen or na greenpen. Nigeria atr 42 can be armed with misslie if the need comes.so your toy ship is not important or submarine is not important .let me tell you the truth you guy valour ship is ilke a covrttee not frigate.

JOSCOFELIX:
oga which gripen are talking about ? Is the one without modern tech? Let me tell you the truth,we will not use our j 17 ,our m346fa ,f 7, we will use our alpha jet to fall you guy gripen or na greenpen. Nigeria atr 42 can be armed with misslie if the need comes.so your toy ship is not important or submarine is not important .let me tell you the truth you guy valour ship is ilke a covrttee not frigate.

JOSCOFELIX:
oga which gripen are talking about ? Is the one without modern tech? Let me tell you the truth,we will not use our j 17 ,our m346fa ,f 7, we will use our alpha jet to fall you guy gripen or na greenpen. Nigeria atr 42 can be armed with misslie if the need comes.so your toy ship is not important or submarine is not important .let me tell you the truth you guy valour ship is ilke a covrttee not frigate.