QuietMynd:

Me, am jst waiting for Henry120 nd 240 to resurrect.
Including mikecza, 61mech, augbugbu nd co.
By that time, I go pop Champaign nd someone should play DORIME or undertaker entrance song.

kabe1:


While having nonoperational Frigates, Submarines & Gripens Fighter jets that are in storage or inadequate fighter pilots to fly them is an achievement for you, in Nigeria, military planners take a more pragmatic look to procurement, taking into account Security assessment.

The Nigerian military is designed to deal with the threats we face. The South Africans in theory do not have the material, manpower or supply chain to invade or attack a country like Nigeria, hence we have invested heavily in other areas.

It's futile have an argument, when in clear facts the supposed enemy lacks the means to launch any attack in the first place.

The South African Navy does not have enough funds to refit the majority of its frigates and submarines and combined with underfunding of maintenance, this has been a major contributor to the Navy not meeting its sea hour targets.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/refit-of-sa-navy-frigates-and-submarines-stalled-by-lack-of-funding/

Can you explain to me how you have a modern military when you cannot even maintain it?


For the 2021/22 financial year, the SA Navy’s vessel refit as well as maintenance and repair full cost requirement of R1.470 billion is only 53.4% funded, with R786 million allocated. “This impacts negatively on the preparation of naval platforms for force preparation and force employment,” the DoD stated, adding that “the underfunding of the refit, maintenance and repair of vessels…is the major contributing factor towards the non-achievement of planned sea hours.” The Navy’s annual sea hour target is 10 000 per year, but its target has not been achieved for some time.


Due to historic and current funding shortages, only one of the four frigates, SAS Amatola, was partially refitted in 2014/15 and only one of the three submarines, SAS Manthatisi, was refitted in 2013/14. Funding for the refit of the remaining three frigates (SAS Isandlwana, SAS Spioenkop and SAS Mendi) and for the Submarine SAS Queen Modjadji 1 was not available since they became due for refits, the DoD said.


You've made many claims about the SA military, which is completely false. It's is however poignant to note that a vast majority of South-African military equipment are basically museum pieces, not fit for purpose, lacking the personnel required to man and operate them.

Faithful007:
The fact that they cannot maintain a good number of their equipment somehow actually shows they have a modern military. Capital intensive, that's how it is. Some 30-40% of US aircrafts and stuff are non operational as of today. If Nigeria should have a modern military too, it would be same story. You cannot keep a modern military at 100%, worse still as an African Country. If you can cycle 50% you're good to go.

Military strength is about technology and capabilities, not who is maintaining more aircraft. South Africa is miles ahead of Nigeria. That's just the truth.

Faithful007:
The fact that they cannot maintain a good number of their equipment somehow actually shows they have a modern military. Capital intensive, that's how it is. Some 30-40% of US aircrafts and stuff are non operational as of today. If Nigeria should have a modern military too, it would be same story. You cannot keep a modern military at 100%, worse still as an African Country. If you can cycle 50% you're good to go.

Military strength is about technology and capabilities, not who is maintaining more aircraft. South Africa is miles ahead of Nigeria. That's just the truth.

Plus5:


Which truth, Nonsense, arrant nonsense. SA is miles below Nigeria. Get that into your inferior brain. Don't put Nigeria down and try to shove it in our throat. SA is not miles ahead of even Zimbabwe, let alone Nigeria. Please let's die this matter. The argument will not finish should we start it.

jl115:

The sheer ignorance of you and Covert1 has awakened me from the dead.

But let me destroy you:


- https://www.defenceweb.co.za/sea/sea-sea/mid-life-refit-of-sas-amatola-almost-completed/

FYI or Valour class frigates were commissioned in 2006....that's 15 years not 22.......
Nigeria doesn't even have a frigate, or any sort of offensive navy platforms

- Saaf has had a contract with SAAB for years now which includes receiving all Gripan C/D upgrades when they become available. NAF has 3 JF17 (Literally mig upgrades) that have been classified by the manufacturer itself as a 3rd gen fighter

- there are 11Rooivalk in service with Saaf.... Not 9 blatant lies will never change reality also yes in terms of capability they destroy mi35s which FYI can't even fvcking hover..

- the Umkhonto SAM system is part of GBADS...so yeah it isn't just fitted to our frigates

- Our Oerlikon have been upgraded to the latest gdf007 standard..... Which is far from an old system and used by some of the most modern defence forces in the world

- LinkZA is a TDL..... The fact that you think its a basic communication system shows how clueless you are on the subject.....there is a reason only a handful of countries actually have a defence force wide TDL.... South Africa being the only country in Africa with such a capability.

- 26 mk2 and over 150 mk1b Olifant how many Chinese tanks did Nigeria buy again? Less than a dozen

...we don't hear the kind of horrid tales about maintenance that plaques the SANDF.

Covert1:


Well apparently whoever received the orders to forever keep you silent when caught may have misread the memo. Someone let you out but no quarters shall be taken you will be dealt with accordingly for escaping the pen

Seriously now no jokes. You destroyed yourself. Your ignorance is an open shame.
I'd only engage you fairly if you state the facts.

Nigeria does have a Frigate only in no better shape currently like yours except for one undergoing refit. Please let us know when that happens, we keep waiting with missed deadlines. Meanwhile Nigeria is on track for a modern Frigate and two new OPVs to make 4 new modern OPVs to cover for a shortfall of 8 needed. When compared to your OPV & Inshore projects I'm sure you'd agree Nigeria is doing a far better job and on pace. It is an aberration to say Nigeria has no offensive platforms maybe you mean missile weaponry. The heavy guns on our modern OPVs can hit a range of about 100km with precision targeting. That is a heavy firepower that qualifies as offensive. It is a credible threat from the sea.

The SAAF Gripen has received no mid-life upgrades. We keep hearing about these contracts that never see the light of day due to lack of funds. Meanwhile our F-7Ni much newer have received upgrades. Besides we have just inducted BVR capable air superiority fighters. Remember when we used to talk about it that it makes the difference. Well now we have it in the JF-17 Thunder and you don't. A fly-by-wire stand-off weapon delivery air platform is not a 3rd generation fighter.

Nigeria's Mi-35M is superior to the Rooivalk. Nigeria also now has the A-29 Super Tucano and expecting the arrival of attack M346FA.

If your air defence system is not S-400 please spare us the tirade. Yours is medium range.

Tell us something we don't know about datalinks. It is not much of a luxury these days.
You must be living in the past in the pen.

Nigeria perhaps has 35 modern VT-4 tanks but exact numbers are not known. The VT-4 is a 3rd generation tank it is insane to compare it with world war 11 olifant tanks upgraded or not. Only you perhaps will choose the latter.
And China is the de jure superpower. Wake up.

Now enjoy below the video of our brand new Nigerian Navy Hydrographic Vessel NNS Lana and the smart salute of the NN officer as the ship departs Spain for Nigeria. Another one is contracted already along with 2 new LSTs as well. We are still here waiting for you to join the club. Will be a welcome development.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAuJ3tf1uyQ

Covert1:


Well apparently whoever received the orders to forever keep you silent when caught may have misread the memo. Someone let you out but no quarters shall be taken you will be dealt with accordingly for escaping the pen

Seriously now no jokes. You destroyed yourself. Your ignorance is an open shame.
I'd only engage you fairly if you state the facts.

Nigeria does have a Frigate only in no better shape currently like yours except for one undergoing refit. Please let us know when that happens, we keep waiting with missed deadlines. Meanwhile Nigeria is on track for a modern Frigate and two new OPVs to make 4 new modern OPVs to cover for a shortfall of 8 needed. When compared to your OPV & Inshore projects I'm sure you'd agree Nigeria is doing a far better job and on pace. It is an aberration to say Nigeria has no offensive platforms maybe you mean missile weaponry. The heavy guns on our modern OPVs can hit a range of about 100km with precision targeting. That is a heavy firepower that qualifies as offensive. It is a credible threat from the sea.

The SAAF Gripen has received no mid-life upgrades. We keep hearing about these contracts that never see the light of day due to lack of funds. Meanwhile our F-7Ni much newer have received upgrades. Besides we have just inducted BVR capable air superiority fighters. Remember when we used to talk about it that it makes the difference. Well now we have it in the JF-17 Thunder and you don't. A fly-by-wire stand-off weapon delivery air platform is not a 3rd generation fighter.

Nigeria's Mi-35M is superior to the Rooivalk. Nigeria also now has the A-29 Super Tucano and expecting the arrival of attack M346FA.

If your air defence system is not S-400 please spare us the tirade. Yours is medium range.

Tell us something we don't know about datalinks. It is not much of a luxury these days.
You must be living in the past in the pen.

Nigeria perhaps has 35 modern VT-4 tanks but exact numbers are not known. The VT-4 is a 3rd generation tank it is insane to compare it with world war 11 olifant tanks upgraded or not. Only you perhaps will choose the latter.
And China is the de jure superpower. Wake up.

Now enjoy below the video of our brand new Nigerian Navy Hydrographic Vessel NNS Lana and the smart salute of the NN officer as the ship departs Spain for Nigeria. Another one is contracted already along with 2 new LSTs as well. We are still here waiting for you to join the club. Will be a welcome development.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAuJ3tf1uyQ

jl115:


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Covert1:


Well apparently whoever received the orders to forever keep you silent when caught may have misread the memo. Someone let you out but no quarters shall be taken you will be dealt with accordingly for escaping the pen


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAuJ3tf1uyQ

jl115:


- our frigates are all operating?? How is it that Aradu is in the same shap? Also it was/is going to be turned in to a training vessel with 0 offensive weapons.

- nobody cares about patrol boats... SAN is getting 3 60m+ IPVs which would easily be classified as OPVs by NN standards

- they get upgraded every time SAAB releases new upgrade packages.... I've posted the link on here several times, Saaf Gripens are as modern as any C/D variants currently in operation anywhere in the world.

- I never said it was a S-400 system, our doctrine calls for a layered approach when it comes to our air defence, go do a little research on the GBADS system before spewing nonsense, also don't compare your MIGs(JF17 and F7) with our Gripen... It makes you look ret@rded.

- in every way shap and form the Rooivalk far out classes the Mi35 which can't even hover. Rooivalk is faster, higher range, higher hover ceiling, higher service ceiling, more hard points, lower RCS, has Radar, higher range, better hmd ect ect ect

- nope you received 35 vehicles from China in total that includes, tank destroyers and SPHs.... You did not receive 35 VT4 tanks

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Faithful007:
Seriously you are a big joke, Comparing missiles to guns. Fvcking stop comparing South Africa's military with Nigeria. Nigeria is not better in any way. Nigeria's military is built on cost. That's okay, but It is not on the same level with South Africa.

JF17 2 stands no chance against the Gripen C. Even if an angel were flying the aircraft, it would be gone even before a dogfight can begin. JF17's only advantage is cost, as well as the rest of Nigeria's equipment. If you want a modern military, you buy quality systems and not just brand new basic or simplified stuff.

Covert1:


There's nothing you said only to reel of emotive language. Clearly you have no clue so go back and read my comments in relation to guns. Dunno where you saw comparison between guns and missiles. After that find out the difference between a Gripen C with IRIST and a JF-17 Thunder with BVR then come back. Those are your lessons for today. You need a while.

Don't quote me until you understand the difference. Because you're a disgrace to still be regurgitating the nonsense you put out earlier.

Covert1:
Really is somebody reading this Faithful007 guy. What a joke. Really in this day and age. And he's claiming to be in aerospace Please anyone who cares can educate him.

I'm suddenly reading F-22s can be downed by a basic SAM system I wonder then why countries go the length to invest in stealth and stand off weapon delivery capabilities

Inset: A screaming JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter Jet releasing chaff and flares

Faithful007:
Listen carefully and don't misunderstand me.

I said, any SAM can easily track and destroy any aircraft on a one on one basis, provided the aircraft doesn't destroy it first. In other words, no aircraft can evade ground radar systems. Of course the F22's signature would buy her more time and through advanced radars and warning from other sources, it is very unlikely that a common SAM will destroy it. But for JF17 2, a standard SAM will likely take it out.

Covert1:


Don't you think you need some more time to get acquainted with the current realities since leaving the pen. This is not 2011. This is 2021.

No. All your Frigates are not working. Actually they are sitting in dry dock inoperable except for one still undergoing refit. If you want to go so low to claim falsehoods here you have it.

The NN decommissioned its missile boats including the Frigate Aradu to better restrategize for better output as the costs of fleet maintenance outweighed the prestige reasons of sea going missile platforms which is the current debilitating situation of the SAN. Turning Aradu into a training ship doesn't declassify it as a Frigate rather a force multiplier in terms of training for a new one.

People do care about patrol boats. Actually ocean patrol boats are the darling of Navies. It ensures continuous presence at sea. You are not a Navy if you have all the missiles but can't sail and show the flag, you are no better than a land force. And if we are going by NN classification then we have two sea going Frigates in the high endurance Hamilton cutters. But let's come to the future. 3 OPVs and 3 inshore IPVs in a forever time that stubbornly refuses to see the daylight is actually laughable to us. This is something we have and are acquiring like the water they sail on Have you bothered to check us out. Fact is we have since left you behind on that one.

Your Gripens are not the NG standard so at our current level in Nigeria you are obsolete. One Nigerian Air Force BVR JF-17 Thunder equals almost half of your entire Gripen fleet and can track and hit your multiple Gripens before they know what hit them even if it's a Mig which it is not. In fact none of your rationed pilots assuming you find one will dare go up against a BVR capable jet, its suicide. Besides the M346FA in the numbers mentioned is already a credible deterrent. Are you even aware of these developments. See you are the one retarde.d and to think you of all people.

GBADS or GBEDS or whatever you call it if it's not integrated S-400 battery which is the known threat worldwide to stand-off platform is useless against a single JF-17 Thunder which will take them out out of radar range. In fact before you say Jack the M346FA is picking targets like a walk in the park over Pretoria, Durban, Capetown and Johannesburg.

If your Rooivalk is superior to Mi-35M how come no export orders but the Mi-35M is. You think you know better than the Marshals of Air Forces worldwide. Please show us your rank.

Nigeria has the largest tank force in sub-saharan Africa. Even if we have one VT-4 tank it will deter any of your Olifants showing up.

Faithful007:
When it comes to Aerospace, both military and civilian, there's no lie that I will not spot out. Not one. That's my field.
JF17 2 doesn't have AESA. So how will it fight SAMs?

Faithful007:
Listen carefully and don't misunderstand me.

I said, any SAM can easily track and destroy any aircraft on a one on one basis, provided the aircraft doesn't destroy it first. In other words, no aircraft can evade ground radar systems. Of course the F22's signature would buy her more time and through advanced radars and warning from other sources, it is very unlikely that a common SAM will destroy it. But for JF17 2, a standard SAM will likely take it out.

jl115:


- Pic: Valour Frigates and Submarines clearly in dry doc called the Atlantic ocean last month also did you mis read the link which clearly shows that SAS Amatola received her refit back in 2015?

- so in other words the NN has 0 blue water capability?

- Pic: SA navy IPVs

- With all your patrol boats your water is still pirate invested and ours aren't, not even when the suez canal was blocked for months and our waters where flooded with ships across the globe did we even have a single piracy incident.

- I never said they were NG standard.... Learn to read agaustine, I said they are the latest standard C/D variant. Also we are developing our own BVR the Merlin which has already completed live fire testing last year..... What BVR has NAF ordered....

- SA has the largest Radar network in Africa.... All linked to LinkZA of course.... Meaning if any enemy fighter comes into SA airspace they will be spotted by our Radar and that information fed in real time to our Grippen who can thus fly without even turning there radar own making them invisible to enemy fighters.... That of course if our GBADS haven't blown them out of the skies by then.....you are to obsessed with the S400 which FYI has failed miserably all over the world.

- if you actually where a defence researcher as you claimed to be then you would know that the Rooivalk failed solely because of politics..... In terms of performance it out classed all during the tender phase of both Malaysia and Turkey.

- Mi35s are cheap.... That's why they are popular.

- you only have 12 VT4s worth mentioning.... The rest are ww2 relics which have constantly been destroyed or captured by Boko Haram.

iblawi:


You should just stop commenting on the current discussion. You just dey mess anyhow and the mess don dey smell.

Abeg no choke us.

Odunayaw:
Blue water capacity = Voyage?

Toh

Whyem15:


Of what use is a Blue-water navy when your local waters aren't safe? They actually have a point but this was why I was talking about upgrading the deep blue project to a coast guard and allow the navy to focus on being a navy that can defend against aggression from the sea. Senegal has just gotten 3 missile armed OPVs, it's only a matter of time before Ghana and other West African countries start getting missile armed ships too. No one will wait for us to get our shit together.